Whats the big ass hurry?

[stiffy28]

Why is it every year that alot of people seem to just skip Thanksgiving and go straight to Christmas. I noticed that even before Halloween was here alot of people were already talking about Christmas. Yeah Christmas is great but Isnt this kinda being disrepectful to the Holiday of Thanksgiving. Maybe after Thanksgiving is over everyone should just stick a big 'ol Easter Bunny in their yard and skip Christmas. Is there anyone else out there that feels this way?

[smcaaphd]

No you're the only one.

[the fox]

I always skip thanks giving

[Incubus]

http://hobojoehome.com/images/holy_shit.jpg

[x0Bella0x]

since there's such a short period of time between thanksgiving and christmas, the holiday season starts in november (thanksgiving normally kicks off christmas). i don't mind, i'm big on holidays. i've already started shopping, it's only 5 weeks away.

[formerly vodkanoj]

Not here. I can't wait for my Moms Thanksgiving day stuffing! :)

[baller16]

Thanksgiving is pretty big with my family, and this year the Birds are playing :)

[oldiegoody]

since there's such a short period of time between thanksgiving and christmas, the holiday season starts in november (thanksgiving normally kicks off christmas). i don't mind, i'm big on holidays. i've already started shopping, it's only 5 weeks away.

So, whadja buy me ? Huh/ Huh?

[stiffy28]

I knew the women would see it different and disagree with me seeing how almost all of the women are shopaholics. Shop til ya drop.:rolleyes:

[x0Bella0x]

I knew the women would see it different and disagree with me seeing how almost all of the women are shopaholics. Shop til ya drop.:rolleyes:


lol, nope i just work in the fashion industry. product for the holiday season has to be out by late october, early november. :mrgreen:

[ShyPassion]

The Christmas Tree has been up since August..

[join993]

We don't celebrate Thanksgiving in Sweden... But I'd want to do it! Free from school and work, and you eat good food!

[rcarson13@yahoo.com]

Many manufacturers and merchants need big Christmas sales to show an annual profit. This year, even with the early start, they likely won't make it. When I was a child we put the Christmas tree up on Christmas eve, and left it up until New Years. As a member of a poor family we usually bought our tree after they were reduced on closeout Christmas Eve. We also looked for last minute clearances, and bought our decorations when they wer reduced after Christmas. Today I see Christmas trees in the trash on Dec 26 since they've already been up for weeks.You have to buy the new toys because last year's toys are obsolete. The Joneses are keeping up with the Smiths, who are keeping up with somebody else.
This year we will probably see a lot of after Christmas sales with even more than half off. Even those that have a good job or investments are afraid of what tomorrow brings. Therefore, the merchants start earlier and try harder.
I always loved Christmas, both as a religious and a seculer observance today I am Scrooged out by the early promotions. Bah! Humbug!
RICO

[the fox]

I have never had a thanks giving

[Incubus]

Christmas is a pagan (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Pagan) holiday that began sometime before 1975 (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Sometime_before_1975) when the Druids (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Druid&action=edit), who worshipped (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Religion) trees, decided that they needed a festival to celebrate the winter solstice that would be as incoherent as possible. Thus was born what modern environmentalists (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Environmentalist&action=edit) refer to as "The Annual Fir Tree Massacre," which has been Americanized (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/USA) into an orgy of consumerism, overeating and road rage (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Road_rage&action=edit).
Jesus Christ and Related Christian Symbology

The Roman Catholic Church (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Catholicism) knows a cool party when it sees one. Therefore, in its attempt to lure pagans away from their godless festivals, they co-opted and re-branded them to make them acceptable to God (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/God). Therefore, despite the fact that Jesus Christ (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Jesus) was not born in December, the holiday became a celebration of his birth rather than of the Druid sun-god Ra (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Ra&action=edit). This has led to much confusion among Christians (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Christianity) who celebrate the holiday with a mixture of fear and dismay, fueled by alcohol. The star on the top of the tree represents the Star of David (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Star_of_David&action=edit), shining over the Baby Jesus (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Baby_Jesus&action=edit) in the manger that is frequently seen in public Jesus dioramas known as Nativity Scenes. Other things represent stuff in Christianity too but nobody can ever seem to sober up enough to sort them all out.

[smcaaphd]

I have never had a thanks giving
No, me either!! We should have our own!! You bring the alcohol, I'll bring the turkey!! :rolleyes:

[the fox]

No, me either!! We should have our own!! You bring the alcohol, I'll bring the turkey!! :rolleyes:
by turkey you mean alcohol?

[oldiegoody]

I'll bring the turkey!! :rolleyes:

Your going to bring Joe Dirty?:eek::rolleyes::excited::excited::excited::rose:

[baller16]

Christmas is a pagan (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Pagan) holiday that began sometime before 1975 (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Sometime_before_1975) when the Druids (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Druid&action=edit), who worshipped (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Religion) trees, decided that they needed a festival to celebrate the winter solstice that would be as incoherent as possible. Thus was born what modern environmentalists (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Environmentalist&action=edit) refer to as "The Annual Fir Tree Massacre," which has been Americanized (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/USA) into an orgy of consumerism, overeating and road rage (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Road_rage&action=edit).
Jesus Christ and Related Christian Symbology

The Roman Catholic Church (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Catholicism) knows a cool party when it sees one. Therefore, in its attempt to lure pagans away from their godless festivals, they co-opted and re-branded them to make them acceptable to God (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/God). Therefore, despite the fact that Jesus Christ (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Jesus) was not born in December, the holiday became a celebration of his birth rather than of the Druid sun-god Ra (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Ra&action=edit). This has led to much confusion among Christians (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Christianity) who celebrate the holiday with a mixture of fear and dismay, fueled by alcohol. The star on the top of the tree represents the Star of David (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Star_of_David&action=edit), shining over the Baby Jesus (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Baby_Jesus&action=edit) in the manger that is frequently seen in public Jesus dioramas known as Nativity Scenes. Other things represent stuff in Christianity too but nobody can ever seem to sober up enough to sort them all out.
I don't even know where to begin... :rolleyes:

[porter]

Commercialism.

Companies want money so why not remind people what the commercial meaning of Christmas is?

[TexasProud]

Christmas is a pagan (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Pagan) holiday that began sometime before 1975 (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Sometime_before_1975) when the Druids (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Druid&action=edit), who worshipped (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Religion) trees, decided that they needed a festival to celebrate the winter solstice that would be as incoherent as possible. Thus was born what modern environmentalists (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Environmentalist&action=edit) refer to as "The Annual Fir Tree Massacre," which has been Americanized (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/USA) into an orgy of consumerism, overeating and road rage (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Road_rage&action=edit).
Jesus Christ and Related Christian Symbology

The Roman Catholic Church (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Catholicism) knows a cool party when it sees one. Therefore, in its attempt to lure pagans away from their godless festivals, they co-opted and re-branded them to make them acceptable to God (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/God). Therefore, despite the fact that Jesus Christ (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Jesus) was not born in December, the holiday became a celebration of his birth rather than of the Druid sun-god Ra (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Ra&action=edit). This has led to much confusion among Christians (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Christianity) who celebrate the holiday with a mixture of fear and dismay, fueled by alcohol. The star on the top of the tree represents the Star of David (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Star_of_David&action=edit), shining over the Baby Jesus (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Baby_Jesus&action=edit) in the manger that is frequently seen in public Jesus dioramas known as Nativity Scenes. Other things represent stuff in Christianity too but nobody can ever seem to sober up enough to sort them all out.
I think it started way before 1975!:eek:

[oldiegoody]

I think it started way before 1975!:eek:

1973, maybe?:excited::excited::excited::excited::excited:

[Dpm]

Sorry, I haven't read the thread but it's title brings this to mind..perhaps guilt is a part...I dunno.

[x0Bella0x]

oh my god, there's indians buried under my table? well i'll be damned.

[tyciol]

Probably because Christmas (or whatnot) is more fun than Thanksgiving. Personally, I do it because in Canada Thanksgiving comes before Halloween, haha.

[Bukkake Bunny]

Simple: there's not nearly as much money to be made with Thanksgiving.

[AZRIEL]

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/071222_crucified_santa.jpg

[tenguy]

Thanksgiving is pretty big with my family, and this year the Birds are playing :)


The birds play at your house???


We stuff 'em, roast 'em and eat 'em, my Daddy says "Don't play with your food"

[Furred Goddess]

My family skips Thanksgiving, my mother in law just gets drunk and threatens to kill herself so she can join her family. My love and I make a small feast for his folks but we aren't allowed to call it Thanksgiving or his mother goes on a tirade, "What do I have to be thankful for? My family is all dead and my son is with a bottom dwelling skank... it's your fault he isn't in college. He could be successful in life but you ruined it all!" yeah... real fine times.

[smcaaphd]

by turkey you mean alcohol?
Ahh!! Nothing like a liquid lunch eh? :cool:
I think it started way before 1975!:eek:
It doesn't actually say how long before 1975, so Incubus does make a totally valid point on that for once!! :rolleyes:

[the fox]

Ahh!! Nothing like a liquid lunch eh? :cool:
and be thankfull :kiss:

[baller16]

The birds play at your house???


We stuff 'em, roast 'em and eat 'em, my Daddy says "Don't play with your food" Lol smartass

Speaking of football, you must be happy 'bout those Titans huh..they're killin it right now..

And well I've got quite a few interesting stories and things to say about Thanksgiving in my family, but I think I'll refrain from doing so. The reason it's different for me is in my family, Thanksgiving is more about family and enjoying each other's company and things like that, and Christmas is a lot more about the presents.

[Bukkake Bunny]

Speaking of Football.

The 49ers beat the Rams yesterday! It's a fucking miracle!

[baller16]

Speaking of Football.

The 49ers beat the Rams yesterday! It's a fucking miracle!
haha man have you seen the Rams? They're right up there with the Bengals this year. But hey, at least the Niners know how to beat up on teams they should beat...

[Bukkake Bunny]

haha man have you seen the Rams? They're right up there with the Bengals this year. But hey, at least the Niners know how to beat up on teams they should beat...

I just get excited whenever the Niners win anything. They're "my" team, and they've been shamefully bad ever since they lost Young and Rice.

I miss the glory days of Joe Montana and Jerry Rice.

[AZRIEL]

It's a fucking miracle!


473179

[x0Bella0x]

my mother usually drinks too much wine and forgets she's cooking, so just like the 4th of july, and christmas, easter, etc, my sister and i have to take over. thanks, ma. :rolleyes: orrr there's the usual- she drinks too much wine and gets overly upset at everyone, saying no one respects her, we don't give her a chance to talk, "i do not favor your sister!", blah blah blah. good times.

[Pericles]

I walked through a Canadian Tire store today and heard my first Christmas carol on the muzak.

I was kinda not impressed. December should be the month for that.

[shy_guy1423]

Was scanning through the radio dial last month in the car and a DJ excitedly proclaimed that they would be playing only Christmas music from that day until Dec. 25th. Really? From late October on huh? I quickly noted the station so I could make sure to skip right over next time. I don't really approve of any pre-Thanksgiving Christmas activities, but when they beat Halloween to the punch, thats just ridiculous.

[SilverLycan]

Christmas is a pagan (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Pagan) holiday that began sometime before 1975 (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Sometime_before_1975) when the Druids (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Druid&action=edit), who worshipped (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Religion) trees, decided that they needed a festival to celebrate the winter solstice that would be as incoherent as possible. Thus was born what modern environmentalists (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Environmentalist&action=edit) refer to as "The Annual Fir Tree Massacre," which has been Americanized (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/USA) into an orgy of consumerism, overeating and road rage (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Road_rage&action=edit).
Jesus Christ and Related Christian Symbology

The Roman Catholic Church (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Catholicism) knows a cool party when it sees one. Therefore, in its attempt to lure pagans away from their godless festivals, they co-opted and re-branded them to make them acceptable to God (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/God). Therefore, despite the fact that Jesus Christ (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Jesus) was not born in December, the holiday became a celebration of his birth rather than of the Druid sun-god Ra (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Ra&action=edit). This has led to much confusion among Christians (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Christianity) who celebrate the holiday with a mixture of fear and dismay, fueled by alcohol. The star on the top of the tree represents the Star of David (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Star_of_David&action=edit), shining over the Baby Jesus (http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php?title=Baby_Jesus&action=edit) in the manger that is frequently seen in public Jesus dioramas known as Nativity Scenes. Other things represent stuff in Christianity too but nobody can ever seem to sober up enough to sort them all out.

Everything Incubus says in the above post is true.

I would urge others curious about the symbology of Christmas to research a pagan roman festival called Saturnalia. In order to get as many converts as possible, the church took old pagan holidays and symbols, changed some names, and viola, Christian holidays. The easter bunny is actually a modern representation of the spring fertility goddess Eostre, which was a rabbit with a set of antlers. The symbol of the egg representing rebirth and immortality can also bee seen in the circle, and in the image of the auroboros, which is a snake that is swallowing its tail. While many Christian holidays may be founded on pagan ideas, we can still celebrate them to honor and worship the being to which it has been dedicated to.

[baller16]

Everything Incubus says in the above post is true.

I would urge others curious about the symbology of Christmas to research a pagan roman festival called Saturnalia. In order to get as many converts as possible, the church took old pagan holidays and symbols, changed some names, and viola, Christian holidays. The easter bunny is actually a modern representation of the spring fertility goddess Eostre, which was a rabbit with a set of antlers. The symbol of the egg representing rebirth and immortality can also bee seen in the circle, and in the image of the auroboros, which is a snake that is swallowing its tail. While many Christian holidays may be founded on pagan ideas, we can still celebrate them to honor and worship the being to which it has been dedicated to. No

and no

I don't know where you're getting your info about the reasons why Christians started saying that Jesus was born on December 25th and celebrating on that day, but you're wrong.

They did not do it for converts.

[Incubus]

1975 :lol:

[onenauhgtygirl29]

No

and no

I don't know where you're getting your info about the reasons why Christians started saying that Jesus was born on December 25th and celebrating on that day, but you're wrong.

They did not do it for converts.

Actually they did. When Constantine converted to Christianity he had a hard time convincing all of the pagans to come with him. So he turned their celebrations into "Christian" holidays. :rolleyes:

[Incubus]

:lol:

what's the big ass hurry? . was the big ass hairy?

:lol:

incognito

[Old Tool]

Why is it every year that alot of people seem to just skip Thanksgiving and go straight to Christmas. I noticed that even before Halloween was here alot of people were already talking about Christmas. Yeah Christmas is great but Isnt this kinda being disrepectful to the Holiday of Thanksgiving. Maybe after Thanksgiving is over everyone should just stick a big 'ol Easter Bunny in their yard and skip Christmas. Is there anyone else out there that feels this way?


I do as well. :-| No Christmas anything until after Thanksgiving (including any shopping) . . . of course the merchants would stop trying to one-up eachother if the consumers would stop responding :rolleyes:

[porter]

According to the Gregorian calendar, Christmas is on January 7th. But that's orthodox.

[baller16]

Actually they did. When Constantine converted to Christianity he had a hard time convincing all of the pagans to come with him. So he turned their celebrations into "Christian" holidays. :rolleyes: Maybe so, but he didn't make December 25 Christmas.

Porter was closer with his answer.

Jesus was not born on December 25 according to many sources. The early Church changed his birthdate to December 25, and made Christmas that day(which was originally a Pagan holiday celebrating the Sun or something along those lines), because of either something to do with the Gregorian Calender not working with Christmas on its original date, or something about having holidays at two different times in the year, I can't remember which exactly. Either way, it had nothing to do with gaining converts.

Oh, and the modern day idea of Christmas and St. Nicholas giving gifts to people and all that came from Spanish settlers. not the Christian Church.

[Rockprincess]

I do as well. :-| No Christmas anything until after Thanksgiving (including any shopping) . . . of course the merchants would stop trying to one-up eachother if the consumers would stop responding :rolleyes:
I'm going to start decorating for Christmas tomorrow..."Deck the halls" and all that stuff will be happening!!!http://www.33smiley.com/smiley2/holiday/christmas2/9.gif

[SilverLycan]

1975 :lol:

No

and no

I don't know where you're getting your info about the reasons why Christians started saying that Jesus was born on December 25th and celebrating on that day, but you're wrong.

They did not do it for converts.

Yes they did, do your research.

Actually they did. When Constantine converted to Christianity he had a hard time convincing all of the pagans to come with him. So he turned their celebrations into "Christian" holidays. :rolleyes:

You're exactly right, Semi. And even though Jesus stated that their was no need for a High Priest to direct the people on earth, the pagan roman High Priest, the Pontifex Maximus, which means chief bridge builder (the idea being that he represented the bridge between worlds, the bridge that connected the earth to the heavens) was made the leader of this new church, being made the highest authority on all things regarding how things were to be conducted. Effectivly getting rid of everything the gospel was trying to teach. This allowed the church to modify anything they didn't like, and add cute little twists and symbols and unnecessary rituals. This way, the pagans would have an easier time changing from their old religion, which is riddled with rituals, to this newer one, which had started out with only a few rituals. See, 'cause the catholic church is all about appearances, that's why the pope wears a shiny dress and eats things with solid gold plates and forks, and drinks from jewel encrusted goblets. Christianity only had a few simple rituals, like baptism, communion, and marriage. Now it's riddled with long boring prayers that are said with repitition to stone deaf status and such. The Church became an apostasy real quick, that's why there're are a whole shitload of branches, everyone wants to add their own little twist. The answers are all their, you just have to know where to look. Ask your priest about this stuff, and they'll do one of two basic things, they'll either ignore your request and change the subject, or they'll tell you the truth. I had to ask a lot of people about the meanings behind the rituals and holidays. Almost every Christian holiday has a pagan root.
We celebrate Christs birth in winter because it occurs near the original festival of Saturnalia, which was a week long festival where everyone ate till they got sick, ate more, and men and women had sex with whatever and whoever they felt like. If you examine the evidence supplied in the gospel, you will find that Christ couldn't possibly have been born during winter. The ancient roman census took place in early spring. The holiday of passover took place in spring. Shepherds took their herds out to pasture in SPRING. The winters in the region are TOO cold to have spring lambs out at night. During the winter, any decent shepherd would keep his flock in caves to protect them from the fierce wind and freezing cold. There is nothing in the gospel that indicates Christ was born in winter. Any decent history buff would know that the events taking place during Christs birth could only occur during the early to mid spring period of the year, which incidentally, we have no way of figuring out what day is what, because over the millenia, the calenders have been revised, changed, had days added to months, had months added to the year and other changes which essentially make it nearly impossible to pin down when anything happened.
We should celebrate holidays for the meaning, not because they are literal representations of history.

[baller16]

Yes they did, do your research.



You're exactly right, Semi. And even though Jesus stated that their was no need for a High Priest to direct the people on earth, the pagan roman High Priest, the Pontifex Maximus, which means chief bridge builder (the idea being that he represented the bridge between worlds, the bridge that connected the earth to the heavens) was made the leader of this new church, being made the highest authority on all things regarding how things were to be conducted. Effectivly getting rid of everything the gospel was trying to teach. This allowed the church to modify anything they didn't like, and add cute little twists and symbols and unnecessary rituals. This way, the pagans would have an easier time changing from their old religion, which is riddled with rituals, to this newer one, which had started out with only a few rituals. See, 'cause the catholic church is all about appearances, that's why the pope wears a shiny dress and eats things with solid gold plates and forks, and drinks from jewel encrusted goblets. Christianity only had a few simple rituals, like baptism, communion, and marriage. Now it's riddled with long boring prayers that are said with repitition to stone deaf status and such. The Church became an apostasy real quick, that's why there're are a whole shitload of branches, everyone wants to add their own little twist. The answers are all their, you just have to know where to look. Ask your priest about this stuff, and they'll do one of two basic things, they'll either ignore your request and change the subject, or they'll tell you the truth. I had to ask a lot of people about the meanings behind the rituals and holidays. Almost every Christian holiday has a pagan root.
We celebrate Christs birth in winter because it occurs near the original festival of Saturnalia, which was a week long festival where everyone ate till they got sick, ate more, and men and women had sex with whatever and whoever they felt like. If you examine the evidence supplied in the gospel, you will find that Christ couldn't possibly have been born during winter. The ancient roman census took place in early spring. The holiday of passover took place in spring. Shepherds took their herds out to pasture in SPRING. The winters in the region are TOO cold to have spring lambs out at night. During the winter, any decent shepherd would keep his flock in caves to protect them from the fierce wind and freezing cold. There is nothing in the gospel that indicates Christ was born in winter. Any decent history buff would know that the events taking place during Christs birth could only occur during the early to mid spring period of the year, which incidentally, we have no way of figuring out what day is what, because over the millenia, the calenders have been revised, changed, had days added to months, had months added to the year and other changes which essentially make it nearly impossible to pin down when anything happened.
We should celebrate holidays for the meaning, not because they are literal representations of history. No, they did not.

I did, I learned about it for years. You do YOUR research, and quit talking out of your ass for once.

I actually just read all that bullshit that you said in the second part of your post, and it proves youu really don't know shit. Let me guess, that's another symptom of your Aspergers right? Not knowing a fucking thing but instead insulting and mocking people and religions to make up for it?

You are a disgrace.

[SilverLycan]

No, they did not.

I did, I learned about it for years. You do YOUR research, and quit talking out of your ass for once.

I've already done my research, hell I even got two books out to make sure I would take into account the calendar thing. We can have a serious conversation when you quit acting like a baby.

Who did I mock in my post? Everything I posted is a fact. You need to go read your theological texts.

[baller16]

I've already done my research, hell I even got two books out to make sure I would take into account the calendar thing. We can have a serious conversation when you quit acting like a baby.

Who did I mock in my post? Everything I posted is a fact. You need to go read your theological texts. No it isn't. Show me some sources to back up your "facts", cus it was just a bunch of bullshit really.

And seriously, quit talking big, cus I am sick and tired of it.


Time for a history lesson kid:

The Catholic Church exists because of something that happened in the Church known as The Big Schism, in which a Bishop from Rome and a Bishop from Israel both claimed to be the next Pope, and this was before popes were chosen, somebody basically just said "I'm the heir to the Papal throne, I'm a descendent of an Apostle." This was such a big problem that nobody was willing to compromise on, (added to the fact that the members of the Church from Israel did not like the Church including the Barbarians who had invaded Rome), so the Church split, and the members from Israel and that area became the Orthodox, and the "Barbarians" from Rome became the Roman Catholic Church.


Lastly, Constantine was the leader of an Empire, not the Pope, and he was big in the Orthodox and Eastern Churches, not the Roman Catholic Church.

[SilverLycan]

I'm starting to think you perceive me as some kind of threat. Everything I say seems to anger you. When you said I mocked peoples religion, I asked you to point out where. You never pointed out where, you just acted arrogant and brought up an ancient topic that nobody asked about.

Quit bitching about everything I say. You're acting like a baby. Women aren't looking for a baby, they want a man. (to help them make a baby, possibly at a future point in time not yet determined.)

[baller16]

I'm starting to think you perceive me as some kind of threat. Everything I say seems to anger you. When you said I mocked peoples religion, I asked you to point out where. You never pointed out where, you just acted arrogant and brought up an ancient topic that nobody asked about.

Quit bitching about everything I say. You're acting like a baby. Women aren't looking for a baby, they want a man. (to help them make a baby, possibly at a future point in time not yet determined.) You will never be half the man I am. The difference between me and you, is I'm the guy who actually gets things done and doesn't want the credit for them, and you're the guy who doesn't do shit but takes all of the credit.

And a threat?! HA! dude don't make me laugh. You don't threaten me in any way. I'm smarter than you, more athletic, and despite all the big man talk, I would beat the shit out of you without much of an effort most likely.

Out there in the real world, compared to me you ain't shit kid.

[stumbler]

No

and no

I don't know where you're getting your info about the reasons why Christians started saying that Jesus was born on December 25th and celebrating on that day, but you're wrong.

They did not do it for converts.

Let me join the flock that is trying to straighten you out because you are dead wrong and going against well documented and widely known historical facts.

If I'm not mistaken the bibical and historical evidence is that Jesus would have had to be born sometime in the summer. I might not have that quite right but I do know it was nowhere near December.

The Christian church most definitely did take over existing holidays in there attempts to convert followers. And it worked.

Actually they did. When Constantine converted to Christianity he had a hard time convincing all of the pagans to come with him. So he turned their celebrations into "Christian" holidays. :rolleyes:

Absolutely correct and well documented. Well said I might add.

No, they did not.

I did, I learned about it for years. You do YOUR research, and quit talking out of your ass for once.

I actually just read all that bullshit that you said in the second part of your post, and it proves youu really don't know shit. Let me guess, that's another symptom of your Aspergers right? Not knowing a fucking thing but instead insulting and mocking people and religions to make up for it?

You are a disgrace.

Where did you learn all this stuff Baller? Because it is definitely wrong and as I have said many times now in this post well known and documented.

[HayZeus]

473179

AZRIEL you took a picture of my mom in the shower and pasted it on a slice of toast? :eek:
No

and no

I don't know where you're getting your info about the reasons why Christians started saying that Jesus was born on December 25th and celebrating on that day, but you're wrong.

They did not do it for converts.
*whispers* Yes yes the festival of the pagan Sun God was taken over to make it easier for people to come over to the dark side ;)
Humans find it easier to replace one belief structure with another than to start believing a brand new set of lies (oops, did I say lies?) right from scratch.:satisfied:

[SilverLycan]

THANK YOU, Brother HayZeus, for your support.

[baller16]

Let me join the flock that is trying to straighten you out because you are dead wrong and going against well documented and widely known historical facts.

If I'm not mistaken the bibical and historical evidence is that Jesus would have had to be born sometime in the summer. I might not have that quite right but I do know it was nowhere near December.

The Christian church most definitely did take over existing holidays in there attempts to convert followers. And it worked.



Absolutely correct and well documented. Well said I might add.



Where did you learn all this stuff Baller? Because it is definitely wrong and as I have said many times now in this post well known and documented. I never said he was born in December, fucking read my post next time.

They didn't change it to convert people, and anybody who says that needs to brush up on history. They changed it to December 25 when they switched to the Gregorian Calender.

Show me your sources that are so well documented.

[AZRIEL]

You will never be half the man I am.
473406



HA! dude don't make me laugh.



compared to me you ain't shit



You are a disgrace.



Lol smartass



haha


473428

[piggit]

I have never had a thanks giving
Well c'mon over fox ... I'll cook!

[stumbler]

I never said he was born in December, fucking read my post next time.

They didn't change it to convert people, and anybody who says that needs to brush up on history. They changed it to December 25 when they switched to the Gregorian Calender.

Show me your sources that are so well documented.

OK I will so you don't just continue to embarass yourself speaking for total ignorance.

II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25? A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
C. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn2)
D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn3) Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn4) However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.
G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn5)
H. As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn6) On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm


This next one if from The Restored Church of God no less.



Nearly all aspects of Christmas observance have their roots in Roman custom and religion. Consider the following admission from a large American newspaper (The Buffalo News, Nov. 22, 1984): “The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus’ birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 A.D., after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.”
Consider these quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine).
The Encyclopedia Americana, 1956 edition, adds, “Christmas…was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church, since the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth…a feast was established in memory of this event [Christ’s birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered the feast to be celebrated forever on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ’s birth existed.”


http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooc.html


Christmas (IPA: /krɪsməs/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)), also referred to as Christmas Day or Christmastide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmastide), is an annual holiday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday) celebrated on December 25[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-1) that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-CathChrit-4) His birth, which is the basis for the Anno Domini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini) system of dating, has been determined by modern historians as having occurred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus) between 7 and 2 BC. The date of celebration is not thought to be Jesus' actual date of birth, and may have been chosen to coincide with ancient Roman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) solar festivals that were held on December 25.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-5)


Dies Natalis Solis Invicti

In 1743-45, German Protestant Paul Ernst Jablonski denounced Christmas as a "paganization" and argued that the date was selected to correspond with the Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Natalis_Solis_Invicti), also celebrated on December 25.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-22) Hermann Usener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Usener) elaborated on this theory in 1889 and suggested that the early church chose festival dates so that pagans could convert while retaining much of their existing traditions.[24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Roll131-23)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Now Baller it took me about three minutes to find this documentation and I only took the first three that popped up. So stop doing what you accused others of on the Jonestown thread which is emphatically stating bullshit.

[SilverLycan]

OK I will so you don't just continue to embarass yourself speaking for total ignorance.

II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25? A.Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
B.The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
C.In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn2)
D.The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
E.Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
F.The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn3) Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn4) However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.
G.Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn5)
H.As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn6) On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm


This next one if from The Restored Church of God no less.



Nearly all aspects of Christmas observance have their roots in Roman custom and religion. Consider the following admission from a large American newspaper (The Buffalo News, Nov. 22, 1984): “The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus’ birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 A.D., after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.”
Consider these quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine).
The Encyclopedia Americana, 1956 edition, adds, “Christmas…was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church, since the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth…a feast was established in memory of this event [Christ’s birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered the feast to be celebrated forever on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ’s birth existed.”


http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooc.html


Christmas (IPA: /krɪsməs/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)), also referred to as Christmas Day or Christmastide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmastide), is an annual holiday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday) celebrated on December 25[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-1) that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-CathChrit-4) His birth, which is the basis for the Anno Domini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini) system of dating, has been determined by modern historians as having occurred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus) between 7 and 2 BC. The date of celebration is not thought to be Jesus' actual date of birth, and may have been chosen to coincide with ancient Roman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) solar festivals that were held on December 25.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-5)


Dies Natalis Solis Invicti

In 1743-45, German Protestant Paul Ernst Jablonski denounced Christmas as a "paganization" and argued that the date was selected to correspond with the Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Natalis_Solis_Invicti), also celebrated on December 25.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-22) Hermann Usener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Usener) elaborated on this theory in 1889 and suggested that the early church chose festival dates so that pagans could convert while retaining much of their existing traditions.[24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Roll131-23)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Now Baller it took me about three minutes to find this documentation and I only took the first three that popped up. So stop doing what you accused others of on the Jonestown thread which is emphatically stating bullshit.


Score 1 for logic! Yay!

[Lookn4awillin1]

The Christmas Tree has been up since August..You actually take it down each year? What about the icicle lights outside the house? Santa Rules.

[Lookn4awillin1]

OK I will so you don't just continue to embarass yourself speaking for total ignorance.

II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25? A.Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.
B.The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).
C.In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn2)
D.The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.
E.Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.
F.The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn3) Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn4) However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.
G.Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn5)
H.As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6] (http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm#_ftn6) On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm


This next one if from The Restored Church of God no less.



Nearly all aspects of Christmas observance have their roots in Roman custom and religion. Consider the following admission from a large American newspaper (The Buffalo News, Nov. 22, 1984): “The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus’ birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 A.D., after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.”
Consider these quotes from the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine).
The Encyclopedia Americana, 1956 edition, adds, “Christmas…was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church, since the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth…a feast was established in memory of this event [Christ’s birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered the feast to be celebrated forever on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ’s birth existed.”


http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooc.html


Christmas (IPA: /krɪsməs/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)), also referred to as Christmas Day or Christmastide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmastide), is an annual holiday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday) celebrated on December 25[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-1) that marks and honors the birth of Jesus of Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-CathChrit-4) His birth, which is the basis for the Anno Domini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini) system of dating, has been determined by modern historians as having occurred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus) between 7 and 2 BC. The date of celebration is not thought to be Jesus' actual date of birth, and may have been chosen to coincide with ancient Roman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) solar festivals that were held on December 25.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-5)


Dies Natalis Solis Invicti

In 1743-45, German Protestant Paul Ernst Jablonski denounced Christmas as a "paganization" and argued that the date was selected to correspond with the Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Natalis_Solis_Invicti), also celebrated on December 25.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-22) Hermann Usener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Usener) elaborated on this theory in 1889 and suggested that the early church chose festival dates so that pagans could convert while retaining much of their existing traditions.[24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#cite_note-Roll131-23)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Now Baller it took me about three minutes to find this documentation and I only took the first three that popped up. So stop doing what you accused others of on the Jonestown thread which is emphatically stating bullshit.Great info, puts a whole new light on Christmas. Who says this is nothing but a porn site...now, let's go watch the "naked running of the Jews".

[baller16]

Score 1 for logic! Yay! Ah, big shocker, another tool who misuses the word logic. You're a disgrace.


Oh, and stumbler, I never said anything about Christmas not being changed(it obviously was, because the Christians didn't even celebrate Jesus's birth before). I said it wasn't done to convert people, because it wasn't.

Whatever though, I'm done bothering with this same crap. Always "the big bad Christians seek to convert everybody and I know more than them and bla bla fucking bla"

[billblondel344]

I'm starting to think you perceive me as some kind of threat. Everything I say seems to anger you. When you said I mocked peoples religion, I asked you to point out where. You never pointed out where, you just acted arrogant and brought up an ancient topic that nobody asked about.

Quit bitching about everything I say. You're acting like a baby. Women aren't looking for a baby, they want a man. (to help them make a baby, possibly at a future point in time not yet determined.)


it does not take much to anger a person of ballers mental age of 10 yrs.he was supposed to not be on here much because he was studying his classes at a JR. College. but you can find his stupid ass on here all the time. he will never grow up.
because he's a toys are us kid. RIGHT BALLER little boy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[billblondel344]

No, they did not.

I did, I learned about it for years. You do YOUR research, and quit talking out of your ass for once.

I actually just read all that bullshit that you said in the second part of your post, and it proves youu really don't know shit. Let me guess, that's another symptom of your Aspergers right? Not knowing a fucking thing but instead insulting and mocking people and religions to make up for it?

You are a disgrace.


sounds like your autistic side is showing baller. you can't stand it when other people are right and you are wrong.hell your little brother is smarter than you.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[baller16]

it does not take much to anger a person of ballers mental age of 10 yrs.he was supposed to not be on here much because he was studying his classes at a JR. College. but you can find his stupid ass on here all the time. he will never grow up.
because he's a toys are us kid. RIGHT BALLER little boy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, don't steal my insults bill

[billblondel344]

don't steal my insults bill




hell you don't have a intellegent thought in that simple mind of yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:satisfied:

[oldiegoody]

So good to see things are back to normal around here!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[TESSS]

i already put my christmas tree up at my house, lol! :]