Young characters

[voicingmaster]

Is it cool with the law and stuff to have young characters in erotic stories in the states? I'm pretty sure it's fine, I just wanna make sure.

[Furred Goddess]

As long as it's purely fictional and not based off any real child it is legal due to a supreme court ruling.

[Scray]

As long as those young characters don't really exist, then you can do anyting you want with them.

[voicingmaster]

Awesome.

[skylar]

sorry, not awesome. listen to what you are asking.

[skylar]

i want to thank everyone for their reply. i honestly thought that i would get some insanely pissed off people, but i think many are like me. honestly, pedophiles in my opinion give all of us kinky mf's a bad rep. to the person that said well don't read it... i understand your response, i hate censorship, if you don't like it find something else to look at. i agree most of the time, but not when it comes to people that can't defend their self, and not when i'm reading a story and suddenly you realize the kind it is. i honestly feel if a majority of stories continue to profile young kids, and i mean young; not 15 or 16, but children, this site won't be legal much longer. some/most people really have 0 tolerance for this shit. someone also said that just cuz you think it, doesn't mean the same as doing it; Who needs thought police, someone mentioned 1984. no one needs thought police, true, but instead we need some amount of self-control and conscienceness. if you find yourseld attracted to small children, its true if you don't do anything you are ok, but man if you find yourself feeling it...go and get help before you really do cross that line. there is such a thin line between action and inaction...do the right thing.

one thing about kids is that one day they grow up, and they never forget. if you fuck them up, they'll find you one day; just remember.

[Furred Goddess]

I repeat again, stories and art depicting FICTIONAL young people is legal in the USA due to a SUPREME COURT RULING. If it is found to be based off a real child, then legal matters are taken. I am absolutely against child molestation BUT I have read stories about children that I knew were fiction and enjoyed it.

[Nympho]

if it was against the law they wouldn't allow it to be posted on the site.

[philllybhoy]

I'm all for non-concership.
But we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Stories featuring individuals 16 and under, where consent must at the very least be in doubt, have to be seriously dodgy.
Supreme Court ruling or not, these texts are wrong and moderators should have an opinion on these stories.

[Kimiko]

I'm all for non-concership.
But we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Stories featuring individuals 16 and under, where consent must at the very least be in doubt, have to be seriously dodgy.
Supreme Court ruling or not, these texts are wrong and moderators should have an opinion on these stories.

How can they consent (or not consent) if they're not real?

[Dale]

As one who writes it, I have had times of being a bit torn by it.

It never occurred to me to write it till some, more than one, woman requested I write to them as if I was their father and seducing them.

I draw a line at actual incest. Play it as an adopting father etc. I have seen too much of the product of actual close kin having children by close kin.

When I write it I do not see myself as what I am though I pitch my character as an adult.

I see myself in my mind as that teenage boy, tongue hanging out at all the delicious early developed girls at the Boys Club pool every summer or as a farm boy in very poor and rural Arkansas where kids in the 7th grade had sweeties in the 2nd grade. Boys out of school dating and getting engaged to girls still in Junior High. 9th grade last year of JH here.

Just my mind set I guess.

Would I ever touch a girl under 18? Hell no! Would I like to? Hell yes!

So there you have it from the warped mind of an ageplay writer.

[scotchncoke]

As a story writer myself I can easily depict what is fantasy and what is reallity.It just makes me wonder if say Patricia Cornwal or Steven King wrote here what one would think was it fantasy or reallity I think not considering that what they write about is not taboo and is accepted by the general public.The only difference here is we are able to broaden our creativity without being uninhibited.

[voicingmaster]

I'm all for non-concership.
But we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Stories featuring individuals 16 and under, where consent must at the very least be in doubt, have to be seriously dodgy.
Supreme Court ruling or not, these texts are wrong and moderators should have an opinion on these stories.

A fictional character can't defend themselves against the will of the author who created them, regardless of age. I don't care if a fictional character is like a 200 pound per muscle man of 21, if the author says he gets raped, he will get raped.
And of course, it doesn't really matter b/c they aren't real.

Oh, and you're a fucking idiot.

[DDragon]

I'm all for non-concership.
But we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Stories featuring individuals 16 and under, where consent must at the very least be in doubt, have to be seriously dodgy.
Supreme Court ruling or not, these texts are wrong and moderators should have an opinion on these stories.

Im all against the child sex thing but how can one mod say no to one when the others may be for it... and if thats the case then the mods would have to have a meeting for every individual Fictional Underage/Ped/young stoie on this site.. that would eat too much time and to ban them all together... well i dont know. there would be a few ppl out there that wouldnt like that (not because they would be peds or nething but for the enjoyment of the storie itself). i have read a few like many others have that have been totaly fictional, and have thought them rather good sttories.. tho i do agree with you with "we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves" it is wrong in alot of ways...

-- DD

[Will Wanton]

My two cents:

1) Fictional characters cannot, i repeat CANNOT be harmed, therefor don't need protection even if they could have it.

2) There are women who fantasize about being gangraped, similarly there are large numbers of stories with non-consentual sex, blackmail, mindcontrol etc.
This doesn't mean the writers of these stories or those who fantasize about this stuff, want it to happen to themselves or others in REAL life.

3) All opinions on certain content in fiction are just that: OPINIONS. And as Clint Eastwood said: opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Yours is no more valid than mine unless you come up with logical and rational arguments.
I've read none thus far.

4) As someone mentioned Stephen King, it's a great example. Famed horror-author Stephen King has the most horrible, gory things happen to kids in his novels, yet i don't see any sermonizers against fictional pedo-stories, lodge a protest against the fictional violent deaths of children in Stephen King's books. Some of his books even end on that note.
How is a fictional story about (consentual) sex with kids different from describing in gory detail how a child's skull is shattered by a bullet (The Regulators)?

And yes i said consentual, in the world of make belief there are no psychological consequences unless the author specifically includes them.

5) How do some of the sermonizers reach conclusions about ages like 16?
Why not 17 or 15, why not 14? Some girls are mature at 14 where some boys are mature at 19.
Are conclusions about age reached simply because the law is parrotted?
The same law that lets real-life child molesters go if they haven't been properly read their Miranda rights or if the warrant missed a couple of words?


In conclusion, someone said the moderators need to have an opinion on these texts.
They DO.
They find them acceptable and allow them to be posted, because the Supreme Court says they can, and they realize fiction is fiction.

When you write this kind of material, and you still feel real-life child molestors should be put on the electric chair, nothing is wrong with you.
Everyone should entertain that thought for themselves, and not make them for others because they think their opinions and thoughts are superior and should be held as the rule.

That's how dictatorships start.

[Monkeybutt]

It isn't just the story that can be ficitonal; the author of the story can be fictional as well.

[Caffeine]

I don't see how an author can be fictional. I see how the story can be told from a fictional point of view, a fictional story-teller, but there is, for every story, a real writer or group of writers.

[Monkeybutt]

I don't see how an author can be fictional. I see how the story can be told from a fictional point of view, a fictional story-teller, but there is, for every story, a real writer or group of writers.

I'll take the blame for the lack of clarity. When I said author I meant fictional story-teller as you put it.

[G-TEC]

what about the stories about sex between children? personally i dont dig it, but is it wrong to tell stories about kids playing doctor?

g-tec

[slowreader]

What is the name of the Supreme Court Case?

[Chagrin]

I can, at times, be a writer pedophile in that I have written and probably will continue to write about minors and young children having sex in whatever form that the story requires. I would never under any circumstances do such a thing to a real child.

This brings to mind a ruling (possibly a supreme court ruling) which stated that if someone looks at a piece of pornography and they see it as child pornography whether it is or not, that piece of porno is against the law and charges can be filed against the makers. Therefore a Computer-Generated movie like "Shrek" or "Ice Age", if someone were to make one with computer-generated children having sex, it would be against the law. If someone watched a porno with midgets or dwarves and mistook them for children, that dwarf porn would be against the law. I find this particularly ridiculous, because that is skirting very close to Thoughtcrime. (Unfortunately, I only heard about this, so it may be inaccurate).

The problem with child porn is that the children are psychologically and physically damaged, but what harm is there in writing down a story involving child sex? There is nothing wrong with that, because no real children are harmed.

Write a story about children having sex. If someone gets offended, tough shit on them. If it's a work of fiction, there is no harm with it at all.

[Fanfiction]

I repeat again, stories and art depicting FICTIONAL young people is legal in the USA due to a SUPREME COURT RULING. If it is found to be based off a real child, then legal matters are taken. I am absolutely against child molestation BUT I have read stories about children that I knew were fiction and enjoyed it.

I would ask you supply links to support the claim as regards ART.

Also, I am in the porn industry and would caution any US citizen as to delivery methods. Transporting porn of any kind can be an offense depending on your location as I understand it. Despite the legality of the type of porn in question in the US as far as I'm aware.

As far as I'm aware for instance, bestiality cartoons and artifice cannot be served from the US legally, so unless this has changed VERY recently?? be wary of assurances that you can go ahead and do so. Personally, I have only seen the USA harden laws against porn and not loosen them since 97.

BTW the issue of fictional in art is not relevant as far as I know. Its about prurient interest in certain US states etc. so if it represents something illegal it can be a crime. Not text. ART/artifice!

[Empress Lainie]

I'm all for non-concership.
But we have to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Stories featuring individuals 16 and under, where consent must at the very least be in doubt, have to be seriously dodgy.
Supreme Court ruling or not, these texts are wrong and moderators should have an opinion on these stories.

They are "wrong" because? Undoubtedly your religion. Why are trying to make us conform to YOUR religious beliefs.

[Empress Lainie]

I can, at times, be a writer pedophile in that I have written and probably will continue to write about minors and young children having sex in whatever form that the story requires. I would never under any circumstances do such a thing to a real child.

This brings to mind a ruling (possibly a supreme court ruling) which stated that if someone looks at a piece of pornography and they see it as child pornography whether it is or not, that piece of porno is against the law and charges can be filed against the makers. Therefore a Computer-Generated movie like "Shrek" or "Ice Age", if someone were to make one with computer-generated children having sex, it would be against the law. If someone watched a porno with midgets or dwarves and mistook them for children, that dwarf porn would be against the law. I find this particularly ridiculous, because that is skirting very close to Thoughtcrime. (Unfortunately, I only heard about this, so it may be inaccurate).
The problem with child porn is that the children are psychologically and physically damaged, but what harm is there in writing down a story involving child sex? There is nothing wrong with that, because no real children are harmed.

Write a story about children having sex. If someone gets offended, tough shit on them. If it's a work of fiction, there is no harm with it at all.

ZYZX:Unfortunately the courts in the US have been more and more making findings based on "what could have happened" instead of only the facts of "what did happen"

The IRS ridiculous claims and enforcement of TAXES on IMPUTED (not real) income is a good example.

[Fanfiction]

ZYZX:Unfortunately the courts in the US have been more and more making findings based on "what could have happened" instead of only the facts of "what did happen"

The IRS ridiculous claims and enforcement of TAXES on IMPUTED (not real) income is a good example.

Just mussing about US n porn:

Even in the porn industry.. and I mean the guys distributing and promoting the sale of the porn. through TGP's, forums etc.. there is often
confusion as to what is legal and not. Its best to realize that possession of porn is only ONE thing that may be illegal.. And even IF its legal to HAVE porn on your box.. The SELLING/Distribution of porn may still be illegal.

For instance there are states where bestiality is legal in the US.. however the distribution of bestiality images from the same state may be illegal. (is in all I've heard of)

I've heard of sites closed for art/cartoons for beast and KP.. text is something else.. but image law covers artifice in the US as far as I know. Maybe some states feel differently.. but then maybe they have laws against distributing?

See it's a rule of thumb in the porn industry.. the rule is.. look the fuck out if you are distributing extreme porn in the US. I personally know a (legal porn in Holland) Dutch porno producer guy who was arrested at LAX and has been in prison in the US for the last 10 years.. because even though he made and served porn from legal Holland.. he was on the FBI list for import to USA.. so be warned if you do extreme in the US.

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I don't understand this post ???

[XGamer]

on the profile of will wanton, is a link to another story website... which contains underage material... I can only assume thats what he ment...as indirrect as is it... I have contacted a few friends.. and we'll have a team working round the clock... to figure just what that post ment!

Xgamer

[Gax]

I absolutely abhor people who molest children. I don't like reading stories of people who molest children, even remotely. This is my personal opinion, and I couldn't give a shit about what anybody else reads. It's their own damn time, let 'em do what they want with it. That said, I also write about underage sex. But it's handled in a manner that's concentual.

I see a distinction between thought and action. The action is illegal and could be psychologically damaging to the child. I think children should be loved and nurtured, not abused. I also don't read/write about situations in which the child does not understand what's going on. There needs to be some sort of sexual maturity. So, twelve is probably the youngest age I tolerate.

To each thier own.

Gax