11 year old murderers 8 year old neighbor over puppies...

I might post a link to a story, but it would have a picture of a child. So, you'll just have to look it up yourself...

So, yes, I blame this pure and simple on the gun culture because this child was only mimicking the action he thought appropriate.

 

I still do not see this as a "gun culture" issue, if anything it is a dumb ass culture deal because you have a pure white trash family that keeps a loaded shotgun where an 11 year old child has access to it. There was no education or safety in place to keep that kid from doing anything he wanted with that gun. Like I said this is not the fault of the gun but of a father with no damned idea about how quick to violence some kids are. Hear this out and you will understand why it is the families fault as well as the kids, IF they had been responsible for their weapons the kid would never had access to it, IF they had educated him he would have known better than to grab it, IF they had the morals of a billy goat they would have taught him that violence was wrong. Now they have a kid going to jail and may be charged as an adult, and if the state takes their head out of their asses the father will be charged as well.

 

Washington Post:

Well, we know it certainly wasn't the dad's fault that it somehow got into the hands of the 11 year old, right? The guy next door, the one whose gun is locked up and probably only comes out when he goes to the shooting range, it's his fault too, right?

Maybe the kid has been watching too much WGN News (seems like every cable/satellite vendor carries WGN).

http://wgntv.Xom/2015/09/30/murders...he-deadliest-september-in-chicago-since-2002/
Murders keep adding up for deadliest September in Chicago since 2002
Sept 30, 2015

CHICAGO -- The homicide toll in Chicago continues to climb at a quick pace this month, making it the city's deadliest September since 2002.

By Tuesday night, there were already 60 murders in September, making it the deadliest month of 2015 so far. The month already has more homicides than the traditionally violent summer months.
The spike in shooting deaths and gun violence comes after two consecutive weekends with more than 50 people shot.

In a 15-hour period beginning Monday night, 14 people were shot, six fatally. Most of those victims were hit during two mass shootings just two miles apart on the South Side. Among those victims, an 11-month old boy, Princeton Chew, was shot in the hip as his mother held him outside their home in the Back of the Yards neighborhood. The baby's pregnant mother, Patricia Chew, and grandmother, Lolita Wells, were shot and killed. Two other relatives were also shot.


Now, the article doesn't say how many of those shootings were by licensed gun owners, but I have a feeling it's "none". But what about the homicides that weren't gun-related. Blame the "gun culture" for those as well?

http://wgntv.Xom/2015/10/01/chicago-police-announce-new-strategies-against-rise-in-gun-violence/
Chicago police announce new strategies against rise in gun violence
October 1, 2015

CHICAGO -- The numbers say it all - 60 people were murdered in Chicago in the month of September alone.

The month had consecutive weekends with over 50 people shot.

It's also the deadliest September since 2002.

Overall, in 2015, murders are up 21 percent and shootings are up 19 percent in the city.

Police officials blame the availability of illegal guns and repeat offenders on the streets.

Ah, illegal guns. Nothing in the article about higher crime due to legal gun owners. But how 'bout those "repeat offenders on the streets"? Gun culture again? (Then again, how about Obama's 68,000 illegal alien convicts released into society and not deported? Gun culture?)

 

These are not the victims of the ''gun culture''. . . .these are victims of absentee parents, so simpleminded you are.

 

Deflection.

 

Ah, so not having parents around taught this little boy that the first thing to do in this situation was to grab his absentee parent's gun... Makes perfect sense!

 

Probably not, but having parents who overlook a kid being a bully might contribute to the escalation to violence. This seems to be more of a modern parenting malady than a gun culture issue.

But, what is even more likely is that the kid just found out that there is not a reset button in life. You can not just refresh the game and start over.

 

Certainly stupid parents.
and a double wammy of stupidity.
A gun accessible to a child .
and ,
either a loaded gun,
or , amunition also readily accessible.
Stupidity of the worst kind

a young bully with anger management problems AND
a loaded gun

 

Makes one wonder about parents who would put a bumper sticker like this on their vehicle.

 

Ah yes, unlike your original post where you make no mention of the father's stupidity in leaving a gun in an unlocked closet with young kids in the house, and instead, indict all gun owners, including licensed owners who exercise responsible gun safety measures. Because that's not deflection, right?

 

46 years ago
"in the summer of 69" , , very poignant ;

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto

And his mama cries
Cause if there's one thing that she don't need
It's another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto

People, don't you understand
The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
"Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads

And look the other way"
Well the world turns
And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto

And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

Then one night in desperation
A young man breaks away
He buys a gun, he steals a car,
He tries to run, but he don't get far
And his mama cries
As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man
Face down on the street with a gun in his hand
In the ghetto

As her young man dies,
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin',
Another little baby child is born
In the ghetto

And his mama cries

* * *
"In the Ghetto" (originally titled "The Vicious Circle") is a song written byMac Davis and made famous by Elvis Presley, who had a major comeback hit with it in 1969.

 

Thank you very much..

 

This is the reality. The only way to keep guns out of the hands of people who think their children are so smart, they would never touch the gun on the night stand, because "he's been told not to play with guns," will also deprive some licensed owners who exercise responsible gun safety measures. We can't have that.

The occasional 8 year old girl, or 8 college students is simply the price we pay for this freedom. It apparently is a small price, because every time the price goes up, nothing is done to change anything. Our basic strategy to reduce gun violence is a "clean up the mess and wait til next time" kind of thing.

Nothing is going to change. All the people who cry, "I told you so," and all the people who say, "It's not my fault, my guns are locked up," and all the king's horses and all the king's men, will keep on keeping on, but we will not take allow any kind of effective gun laws to be enacted.

 

What kind of gun control law are you advocating?
Seriously, this subject has been beaten to death in here and in the country at large, for many years. Yet to my knowledge there has been no definitive law(s) suggested short of an outright ban on privately owned weapons.

 

Well, don't take my word for it. You can hear it from one of the highest ranking Democrats currently in office.

From 2013:



And don't forget his comment that "we don't have time to prosecute people who lie on their applications". So, of course more laws would free up time to enforce the current laws, right?

 

I'm not advocating any kind of gun control. I know a losing battle when I see one.

It's a simple fact, no matter how many people, or who the victims are, we are not going to have effective gun control. We use the ineffectiveness of the current gun control laws to argue that gun control laws are ineffective, so we can't have effective gun control laws. Every high profile gun death(s) spurs another round of frantic gun buying, because gun owners are certain this is going to be the one that finally forces a change, but it never does. If we go too long without a newsworthy shooting, someone starts a rumor about a certain kind of gun or ammunition being banned and suddenly sales skyrocket. Funny how that works.

Perception is reality and a gun is perceived as powerful. Very few people are comfortable enough in their world to relinquish power. Even an 11 year old boy can grasp that concept, even if he can't grasp the finality of death.

There's no way out of this. We will continue to bury our gun victims, but that's all we're going to do.

 

My apologies, I thought you were an advocate for increasing gun controls.

 

Fuck no. That's crazy talk. I just get tired of listening to the bullshit.

 

The only problem with gun control is only law abiding citizens will follow the law. I don't care how many laws are written, how many honest people are blamed for gun crazed idiots going crazy, or if all guns are completely banned, the government will never ever in a million years force criminals and rogue thugs to abide by any law, give up their guns, or stop them from buying or stealing guns and in some cases making guns. They will not be stopped from killing people, if they don't have a gun they will find away to get it done

Any and all gun control only punishes those that try to do the right thing, and abide by the law.. But as usual people in America thrive on people's misery and love to see people punished whether it the wrong person or not. Just sayin'

 

So, if this is a problem with parenting, why don't families without guns have the same problem... Oh, that's right, they don't have guns... My bad!