Ah, so this kid learned from his father that the first course of action in any argument is to grab the shot gun...

It's still an issue with the gun culture from my point of view. You've obviously got some apologies to make.

 

They do. The rate of injuries and death to school age kids, from bullying is very high. About 90,000 school kids go to the ER with bullying injuries each year, dozens are fatally injured or driven to suicide because of it.

 

Who said that? I said he most likely learned from news stories about Chicago.

Of course it is. (From your point of view, that is.)

OK, I'm sorry you're so clueless that you can't even figure out that, even if there was the remotest possibility that the kid learned something like that from his father, that chances are it never would have happened if the gun was safely locked up where an 11 year old couldn't get to it.

So, when some drunk driver mows down some people and kills them or maims them, will you blame the car culture, the alcohol culture, or both?

 

We can't have gun control because gun control doesn't work.

It's kind of strange because if there was a disease that killed 1000 people every year, and some health regulation was passed which cut the number to 500, it would be a great victory for medical science and public health. This regulation might even infringe on people's personal freedom. Perhaps something like require people to change their septic sewer system or something. There is something fundamentally different about keeping a gun under your pillow and keeping a chamberpot under the bed, although each might be of equal value if a burglar crawled in the window.

Gun deaths is a problem which cannot be solved until all other causes of death are addressed. Once we have eliminated the risk of death from drowning, lightning strike, and snake bite, we'll have time and resources to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of 11 year old dog lovers.

 

By the way, Plumey, have you ever heard of a little place called Hollywood?

Where seldom is heard
A conservative's word
And the stars, portray murder for pay.


Many of the violent situations portrayed in movies are things that no kid would ever witness in real life. But don't you dare even ask if the violence portrayed in some movies might have some influence on young minds. Because it's not the over the top gun violence they portray. No, it's the guns themselves. Not the situations that kids will see in a movie. No, it's some other situation that the kid didn't see at home. And it's not like the movie industry is full of NRA members. Or Republicans. (There are some, but most choose to remain in the closet out of fear of being blackballed.)

 

I live in a place with a strong alcohol and car culture, and the answer is yes.

In my neighborhood, the right to operate a vehicle is considered a very serious thing. It is so serious, that revoking a person's driver's license is considered a step beyond an actual prison sentence. A man in jail has nowhere to go, so what does he care? A man on the outside, who can't drive, is a crippled man.

When this is combined with our alcohol culture, it's difficult to convince people that driving while drunk is a bad thing. It's only in the past few years that we have actually taken DUI offenses seriously. For decades, any drunk driving offense that wasn't connected to a death or injury was subject to a fine. No harm, no foul.

The problem with culture is the blame is spread so thin, no one feels responsible for it. I'm not the one who got drunk and mowed down all those people, so why should I have to change the way I live?

 

Just a question:
If conservatives made all the movies, would there be less sex, or less violence? I'm trying to remember if I ever saw Clint Eastwood in a sex scene.

 

Maybe not, but they probably bankroll them.

The US has a vastly different culture than other countries on many facets, drugs, alcohol, guns, cars, social customs, education, patriotism, politics, etc, etc.

 

The good thing about alcohol is thr fact that once drunk a person doesn't have to drive. I have no issues with the stiffest penalties on earth for DUI, why? Because it doesn't infringe on a person's rights to get drunk. A million laws on DUI has no effect on a person sitting at home getting drunk. So why are people so damn ignorant that they must drive while drunk? I can't answer that question. But it is a good example of how deaths could be stopped with laws without infringing on people's freedom. I concur that stopping deaths from guns is a whole other story.

 

Actually, I do remember High Plains Drifter. Clint plays the stranger who rides into town and shoots people at random intervals. Not many people in the town carry guns, but he is one of them. There are two sex scenes, one is a violent rape and the other is more of a date rape thing. So, lots of shooting, a couple of deaths by dynomite, and 1&1/2 rapes.

 

Pretty simple reason, they lose their ability to reason, and make lucid decisions after they are drunk, same as a drunk woman making good decisions on who she fucks.

 

How are they going to get home? It's not like the USA is the land of mass transit. We are individualists and you can't get more individual than one man and one car.
This demonstrates why gun control is so ineffective. We license cars and drivers, but people still drive drunk.

There is another point. A car can be locked and still be available as needed. It loses no usefulness just because it is secure and disabled.
A locked up is useless. An unloaded gun is useless, so expecting people to keep their guns locked up and unloaded is just not reasonable. If it's not within reach when danger occurs, it might as well be on the moon. People can whine that leaving a gun where a child can get it is irresponsible, but if a child can't get to it, how can the responsible adult reach it in a dire emergency?

 

Not even a comparison... You keep forgetting that this kid somehow thought that his response should be to get a gun... That's the key difference. Yes, this kid was reported to have bullied this girl in the past, but how in the fuck would be even get this idea that he should grab daddy's gun? That's a question you'll dance around, but never answer.

 

You are being the fool again, you asked this question: "So, if this is a problem with parenting, why don't families without guns have the same problem... Oh, that's right, they don't have guns... My bad!"

The point is that parents without guns still have problems with their kids being bullies.

However, if you chose to frame the question differently, I might even have an answer for that as well.

 

Fucky putz! Go ahead and deflect, it's what you do best. I doubt this kid even knows about Chicago and the problems with guns, but hey, you keep right on ignoring the problem. I now Chicago has problems, but continually deflecting away from the other problems solved neither.

 

Hum, let's see... Clint Eastwood, conservative, makes violent movies. Mel Gibson, conservative, makes violent movies. I don't have the time right now to list these names, but Hollywood has many conservatives working there, and they know violent movies sell...

 

His father and most likely Hollywood and video games.

 

Duh, you're reframing... If there is no gun, then how can a kid without access to a gun shoot someone? It is one thing to bully another kid, is completely different to point a gun and pull the trigger.

 

Killing another person does not require a gun, fists can kill, a rock can kill, you need to chill.

 

More people die falling down stairs than getting shot by guns.

Those damned stairs have to go!!!!