It is step-and fetch, and the secretary of state does not decide what is and is not classified. The NSA, FBI, and DOD do that in conjunction with the department of justice.
And as for the other part of being wrong what you failed to do was to capitulate argument. If the DOJ comes back and says she did send then classified emails or content then I will admit that I was wrong, that is how adults behave.

 

It is step-and fetch, and the secretary of state does not decide what is and is not classified. The NSA, FBI, and DOD do that in conjunction with the department of justice.
And as for the other part of being wrong what you failed to do was to capitulate argument. If the DOJ comes back and says she did send then classified emails or content then I will admit that I was wrong, that is how adults behave.

 

The place where her "after the fact" argument falls down is here:

"Reuters has since reported that her unsecured private server email system contained "presumed classified" materials. Hillary personally exchanged such presumed classified information with Sidney Blumenthal, and those communications were intercepted and publicly released by a Romanian hacker.

The fact that the email was not marked classified at the time does not excuse Mrs. Clinton. This is because information gathered from foreign government sources, a great deal of her email was so sourced, is presumed classified. Mrs Clinton received Departmental training on recognizing and handling classified materials. Presumed classified information is defined by Executive Order as "The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security." (see full text of that section of Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information, Sec. 1.1(4)(d), below)

Secretary Clinton was trained in handling of classified materials, and acknowledges that she understood them. By transmitting and receiving email correspondence that contained information gleaned from foreign government sources on an unauthorized, insecure system, she violated the law. This was not something she did unwittingly, and that the foreign government sourced material was not stamped classified is irrelevant.

On his last day in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned former CIA Director John Deutch who had committed similar violations. Deutch left the CIA on December 15, 1996 and soon after it was revealed that several of his laptop computers contained classified materials. In January 1997, the CIA began a formal security investigation of the matter. Senior management at CIA declined to fully pursue the security breach. Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance."


Plus, the most glaring can not be ignored. She NEVER used a government email account the whole time she was Secreatry of State. All email was done on her private account. Do you really think it's possible that a Secretary of State, during 4 years in office, never initiated a an email that would need to be "classified" from the moment it was created? Or that she never received any email with any level of classification, and that little matter was always a matter of "classified after the fact", or "declassified before it got to her"?

 

Why the fuck do you have to bring me into this

 

That is the operating word...PRESUMED.

 

You are wrong all the time but you rarely admit it

 

Guess you need to view your works from a different perspective, to see why I think that.

 

It's not meant in the context of "oh well, we'll sort it out later". It's a directive.

They're saying that it's not a matter of whether you see some level of classification indicated, if it's from a foreign government, it's classified, period. In other words, because all FGI communication is classified by mandate,, even if you don't see any notation, you should presume it's classified and treat it as classified, because it is classified.

 

In case you haven't noticed, you're just about the last person on here who ever agrees with DL, and you two were yucking it up last night about how the Republicans don't seem to have a serious candidate, just because Trump faded by a couple measly points.

And I do admit to being wrong. A lot. I work at home, and I often pop in here to sound off about crap I'm hearing on the radio. I get it wrong a lot, and when I get called on it I do the blushy thing. And even when I do fact-check, it does no good anyway, because most links are bannable and no one here reads pasted text. Basically if you're on the Right you can't win around here, so I just treat it all as entertainment and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

 

The other day I read in a WSJ op-ed that Hillary herself was supposed to have been marking originated emails as classified. I'd go find it, but I no longer subscribe; I buy at the newsstand, and WSJ-online is a pay site. I could dig through my trash bin to find it, but I can't be bothered; I'm sure as hell not going to type it out, even if I find it.

Besides, even if I did take the trouble to type it out, not a single sad sack in this place would bother to read it. They'd all say Wall St. Journal? Rupert Murdoch? That explains everything! I'm not reading Rupert Murdoch! No wonder you're so fucked up! They'll impeach a source every chance they get, rather than face another point of view, but I'm the one who never admits I'm wrong.

What cracks me up is that when something goes right under the watch of Obama and Clinton, they are Personally Responsible. The most famous example is Osama bin Laden. Notice how Clinton was Personally Responsible for moving the Keystone Pipeline project along, when they were still pretending that it had a chance of passing. But when things go wrong... Benghazi, the Kunduz Hospital bombing... no one's in charge. Some lowly office secretary is at fault for not labelling an email. Or some hack in New Jersey is at fault for deleting the wrong thing. Or the Afghan tribal militias are at fault for ordering the U.S. Air Force to bomb the hospital. Or a poor Egyptian Coptic Christian made a crappy video with 300 Youtube hits, but it somehow triggered riots across the Muslim world and got Chris Stevens killed. The buck never stops with them.

They always pin it on the lowliest peon they can find. They're not in charge. The peon is in charge.

And if they can't find a peon to blame, there's always George W. Bush. He's been kicking back in Kennebunkport for going on seven years, but it is absolutely amazing, how much the poor guy still accomplishes. For an inept moron, George W. Bush sure does accomplish a lot, doesn't he?

 

NEW YORK — Donald Trump unveiled a tax plan on Monday morning that he called a "common sense" proposal to simplify the tax code.

The plan would increase taxes on the "very rich"; reduce taxes for most taxpayers; and eliminate federal income taxes for workers making less than $25,000 per year -- although they would be required to send a one-page document to the Internal Revenue Service that states, "I win."

Trump promised that all of this could happen without increasing the national debt because he expects the economy to improve. He said he would also cut "wasteful spending" from the federal budget, although he did not say how or what the total reduction would be. Some are skeptical that the plan is truly revenue neutral.

It's the sort of tax proposal one might expect from a more liberal candidate, and it's already being called a populist plan. Trump himself -- who has seen rival candidates gain ground in recent days -- describes his political philosophy this way: "I am a man of great common sense."

Here's what Trump has proposed:

• No more federal income taxes for millions of workers:Individuals who are single and earn less than $25,000 per year will not owe any federal income taxes, along with married couples who jointly earn less than $50,000 per year. Trump estimates that this will help 75 million households. But there is one catch: These workers will still need to send a one-page form to the IRS stating: "I win."

• Savings of nearly $1,000 for most other taxpayers:Those making more than $25,000 per year or $50,000 jointly would still get a tax break, which Trump estimates will total nearly $1,000 a year in savings for more than 31 million households.

• Four tax brackets instead of seven:Right now there are seven federal income tax brackets. Trump wants to get it down to four. The first would be a zero-percent rate for the households described above. Individuals making $25,001 to $50,000 (or couples making $50,001 to $100,000) would pay 10 percent in federal income taxes and keep most of their current exemptions and deductions. Those making $50,001 to $150,000 (or couples making $100,001 to $300,000) would pay 20 percent and keep more than half of their current deductions. The highest tax bracket would be 25 percent and apply to those making more than $150,001 per year, along with couples making more than $300,001. Those in the highest tax bracket would see most of their deductions disappear.

• Cut the corporate tax rate to 15 percent:Trump would lower the corporate tax rate for all companies -- from mom-and-pop shops up to massive Fortune 500 corporations -- to 15 percent, which he said will stimulate the economy and make all of these proposed tax cuts feasible.

• Eliminate various penalties and deductions:Trump wants to get rid of the "marriage penalty," "death tax" and alternative minimum tax, which he says unfairly hurt middle-class taxpayers. He also wants to reduce or eliminate "most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich," along with "corporate loopholes that cater to special interests." He would keep deductions for mortgage interest and charitable giving.

• Allow corporations to bring cash back to the U.S.:Trump estimates that U.S. corporations are keeping as much as $2.5 trillion overseas. He wants them to bring that money back into the country and would offer a one-time incentive of a deeply discounted tax rate of 10 percent. After that, Trump would no longer allow corporations to defer taxes on income earned overseas, although he would keep the foreign tax credit.

 

By the way, where in hell is there documentation for Hillary Clinton's 141 IQ?

The idiot in the White House supposedly has a 180 IQ, but that's just starry eyed bullshit from Chris Matthews.

Hillary. 141. How do we know that? Did she order her own test off a matchbook cover? Did she take a test online forty times?

IQ tests are administered during adolescence. If we don't have a notarized test result from her childhood, I don't believe it. No one that stupid can have a 141 IQ. Not possible.

 

Just found about a thousand sites that claim to know these sorts of things.

Most of them put Hillary Clinton and Madonna at 140. They put Adolf Hitler at 141. But there's not verification. They look like estimates to me.

These sites also claim that Obama's IQ is around 130. That sounds high to me. He can't have 130. No way.

I also see Leonardo da Vinci at 220. Now, he was a genius, no question. But 220? IQ rises and falls on an bell curve. (100 is not twice as smart as 50). Saying da Vinci had a 220 is like saying there could be such a thing as a Richter 50 earthquake (the planet itself would split into pieces).

The whole thing looks like bullshit to me. If I'm to believe Obama is 130 and Clinton is 140, I need to see the documents. Until then, my "village idiot theory" stands for both of them.

 

You accuse Hillary of lying. Then you say that Bernie Sanders is a Communist. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. There are many differences between democratic socialism and Communism. A mark of intelligence is the ability to discern differences.

Unfortunately, I suspect that you really do believe that Bernie Sanders is a Communist. Someone who believes that because A is A, selfishness and lack of empathy are marks of high probity will believe anything he or she wants to believe.

My take on this is that what Hillary did with those e-mail letters was legal at the time, and consistent with State Department protocol at the time.

The Republican Party has nothing to offer an increasingly pauperized middle class but economic policies that will benefit the rich at their expense. This is why they try to distract middle class and working class whites with the politics of personal destruction.

 

Bernie Sanders is a communist.

 

And Hillary Clinton belongs in Leavenworth.

 

As soon as you begin to post well thought out comments that are actually intriguing to read, I will begin to consider the possibility that with a useless college degree you really do make more money as a computer professional than the clear majority of those who work for Microsoft.

 

Ya ok whatever the fuck that means

 

I have noticed that lately me and him have been in agreement usually we disagree but that's ok . I don't like the personal attacks the you guys bring when someone doesn't agree with you . the first thing you ever said to me was sober up and learn how to read .

 

Gosh. What came over me.