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  1. Alex_1

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    Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'

    Donald Trump
    touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.

    Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.

    Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”

    The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.

    Trump is not the first Republican candidate to endorse the use of waterboarding, which involves simulating drowning, in an attempt to elicit information from terror suspects.

    Waterboarding was first used by the US in 2002 on an al-Qaida suspect, then on at least two other CIA detainees during the Bush administration, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden and mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was banned by the Bush administration in 2006 as ineffective and potentially illegal.

    Trump also doubled down on his unproven claim that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Trump insisted there were “tailgate-style celebrations” on rooftops in Jersey City, New Jersey, and said: “I saw it on television and I read about it on the internet.”

    The author of the newspaper article that Trump has cited for that claim said on Monday that he does not remember any evidence of those celebrations.

    The Republican frontrunner further reminisced about the terrorist attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 innocent people, saying that he watched them from his apartment. “I watched people jumping off the buildings,” Trump said. He also told attendees that he watched “the second plane come in [to the World Trade Center] and I said ‘Wow, that’s unbelievable’”.

    Trump added that in his view 9/11 “was worse than Pearl Harbor because at least with Pearl Harbor they were attacking the military”. In addition to the two planes that flew into the World Trade Center in New York, a third flew into the Pentagon, killing 125 people there, and a fourth targeted at Washington DC crashed outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, after a struggle between the terrorists and passengers.
     
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    Peace loving people are at war with unreasonable savages, who rape and torture children, both female and male. Savages that really (not pretend) drown people in cages, lowering them into the water. Who prey on innocent civilians, kidnapping them and at times cutting off their heads.

    It's unbelievable any halfway cognitive human being would be concerned with "pretending" to drown one of these savages. If pretending to drown one savage saves the life of one innocent civilian, goodness has trumped over evil.
     
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  3. ace's n 8's

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    SO. . . . . are you opposed to what Trump stated here?
     
    1. anotheruser1
      Don't hold your breath waiting for a response from a computer
       
      anotheruser1, Nov 27, 2015
    2. Alex_1
      Yeah. Don't.
       
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      So there is a person on the account!
       
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  4. Heywood123

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    What kind of person advocates torture ?
     
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      Read my post. These people don't pretend to drown their prisoners, they actually drown them. Waterboarding is pretend to drown. To save one innocent life, waterboarding is not really that cruel. Especially if the waterboarding saved your life. Wake up man!
       
      deleted user 777 698, Nov 27, 2015
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      I'm wide awake thank you . How is water boarding going to save someone's life ?
       
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  5. anotheruser1

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    Normally i would never advocate torture of anyone, but as cold, evil, and mean as muslims are i would probably make an exception for those that have tortured or killed someone else.
     
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    Agreed!
     
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    The key though is that we not let the torturers acting with good intentions become OUR torturers.
    The old adage "power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts" is as true today as when it was first uttered.
     
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    Ever heard of the higher ground ? What separates you from them then?
     
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      Difference; We don't rape or behead or murder innocents. Those water boarded are known terrorists.
       
      shootersa, Nov 27, 2015
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      I would never torture anyone that is innocent. I would never torture anyone for that matter, i just said i would condone someone else doing it. I mean you are on a whole different ration of shit when it comes to those evil fuckers. I don't classify muslims as human so tortured or killed either one would not bother me, especially if they just finished a beheading, or the gang style rape and / or murder of a child, or burning a cage full of people to death... I cannot see how anyone could defend or support those evil fuckers
       
      anotheruser1, Nov 27, 2015
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      Being against torture doesn't mean I'm defending anyone . You wouldn't perpetrate it but condoning it it's much better . My point is torture isn't justice
       
      Heywood123, Nov 27, 2015
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      Yes, i know it isn't justice. But, sometimes in cases like that you have to ask yourself if the victim received justice as they drown, burnt, or endured their head being sawed off with a knife. Overall i don't think anyone should be subjected to any torture, pain or suffering but what i think doesn't matter, it's usually the governments opinion that matters. I guess no matter how we look at it two wrongs don't make a right.
       
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    Torture doesn't work so why do it? Are we that inefficient we just do things because we can ?
     
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      Doesn't work?
      It gave us the information needed to find Bin Laden
       
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    How do you know? Have you been tortured? Like I said, to save these murdering savages from killing innocent people, torture is very acceptable. Listen block head, if you don't want to be tortured, don't become a radical muslim terrorist. It's really that simple. Think about it.
     
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    I apologize for the block head remark.
     
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    I accuse you of being a terrorist. You will now be waterboarded in order to torture into confession, which will prove you deserved it.


    You sure you've thought this through?
     
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  13. clarise

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    Waterboarding is insufficient. Waterboarding is used routinely on recruits in military training exercises. It is not torture. It merely gives the temporary sensation of torture.

    The human psyche is most responsive to the threat and application of permanent disfigurement. Braziers and branding irons must be brought back, and interrogation subjects should be forced to witness loved ones enduring them.
     
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  14. Hush

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    You people are absolutely full of bullshit, and speak all too often about things that you have absolutely zero concept of. Furthermore, you like to speak as though bad-asses just like I would expect from kids trying to sound tough. I HAVE been waterboarded. I have also been tortured in countless other forms to degrees that any one of them alone would destroy any normal person and only the fact that I was so ignorant, vapid and young saved me from that.....somewhat, in that I deal with aspects of most of them daily.

    Rule number one with most tortures including waterboarding is....The victim is expendable. They die? Aw crap, go get me the next one. So what say all of you tough guys put your money where your mouth is? Get someone who you can trust to follow an order waterboard you for 5 minutes. Just 5 minutes, all the required stops in place so you can spit up the water and blood out of your lungs.....Yet their one order being for that 5 minutes they do not stop, no matter what.

    Remember, you KNOW after 5 minutes this will be over....Not that it will continue on and worse till your death, so you have it EASY.....Then come back and tell us the result, and the result you from that mere 5 minutes of play time, not for real with all the terror heaped upon it you will have to deal with for the balance of your life.

    So put up or shut up and quit talking about shit you know nothing about.

    Past that.....The second you or a group or a nation does anything that goes against what you profess, you just made EVERYTHING you are pushing bullshit. It is that simple.....IOW, don't preach human rights, if they're flexible when it comes to you.

    Hush....an alias
     
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      Well said Hush.

      However the chances of them shutting up about it is nil, I've got more of a chance of winning the lottery.
       
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      Shooter has a problem believing Hush has ever been waterboarded.
      Never the less, Hush makes a good point;
      If we profess to be above torture, more civilized than that as it were and yet we use it we mock what we stand for.

      As a nation we either condone the use of torture, or we do not.

      Trump will condone torture.

      Hush also wants to make the point that torture does not work.
      But it does.
      Information gained from water boarding is how we tracked down Bin Laden.
       
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    I'm reacting to the robo-poster's opening premise. "Even if it doesn't work."

    Does torture work.

    Yes or no.

    Death doesn't work on the animals. They want to die. So if torture works, it's worth a try.

    And I don't buy the shit that if we torture them, we're no better. Is this Chutes and Ladders we're playing? Candyland? No. It's an existential war. It doesn't have to be fair, and we don't have to put up pretenses of being "better." I say we meet evil with evil.

    Besides, they're the ones bringing this war to us. All they have to do to stop it is CO-EX-IST.
     
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    Trump is right. Waterboarding is mild compared to what those animals have done to some people. It should be made much, MUCH more painful. Daverjax had a good idea.

     
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  17. Hush

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    You see, this is where I justifiably tell you that I do not care in the slightest what you do or do not believe. As a matter of fact, trust that your opinion on my personal experiences is absolutely inconsequential to me.

    As to "how we tracked down bin Laden", well lets think about this a moment. It is not the 1950's, and contrary to everything that you believe the governments of the world work much better together than what the general population is led to believe. With that in mind:

    "A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical or the most valuable on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques," the Senate investigation found.

    Further, though I find the content questionable, the concepts contained are certainly viable: https://theintercept.com/2015/05/18/snowden-osama-bin-laden-raid/

    The fight by the CIA to justify torture has NOTHING to do with bin Laden or the fight against terrorist groups. You do NOT hold and torture people for years to gain information. In fact rather quickly the credibility of that information begins to diminish the longer you do......The fight to retain torture as an intelligence tool is BS (in that it will be done anyway). It is a show, a scam, one to get you the general population to be accepting of it as legitimate.

    The second YOU go along with it, you have just given up YOUR rights to anything "less than." Further you have just given the go ahead, your approval that anything less is acceptable in achieving the government's goals, and in that you agree with it....You have just agreed that it is okay to do to.....YOU.

    Finally, the second you become a hypocrite, no matter the reason, you just made what you profess and the society you claim to promote null and void. Accuse any other of human rights violations? What a load of BS.

    You people really have no concept about what you are speaking on, on any aspect, or at any level. You have let your own fear of something you'll never encounter which you bought into due to your own rampant imaginations get a hold on you.....and then you gave up, in fact begged them to take the only thing you had in your mob fervor and terrified fantasies......Your God given rights.

    The best thing any of you can do at this point is never speak of these things again and go back to your oblivious lives...
    Or better yet, take up the challenge I issued.

    Hush....an alias
     
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      I can tell you that Pakistan was not aware in advance of the US raid that killed Bin Laden. I know this from a reliable source that has direct knowledge of what Pakistan was told before and after the raid. I trust that source far more than Snowden or the investigative report.
       
      shootersa, Nov 29, 2015
    2. Hush
      Yeah.....no. Again, "who gains." What did Pakistan gain after, and how would the bulk of their population have reacted if they thought it to be otherwise? Third World nations are often the easiest to deal with in that they want so much it is easy to manipulate them. The trick however is for them, is to maintain the illusion that they are not under another's influence.

      Hush....an alias
       
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  18. ace's n 8's

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    You sure are full of yourself.

    You seem to be of the opinion that the Muslim terrorist are civilized human beings, NEWS FLASH; THEY ARE NOT.

    Their barbaric, they do not deserve to be the recipients of ''human rights'', BECAUSE, they do not give 2 tinkers fucks about human rights, they only care about their own little religious rights.

    The Muslim terrorists kill for one reason, and one reason only.

    This pathetic attempt of advocating for human rights for the Muslim terrorists, because they have human rights is total bullshit from the bleeding hearts fools.
     
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    The ignorance here is stunning...What makes you think that any of this really has to do with terrorists, or more so their rights?

    Do you think if we had concerns over human rights we would have trade with most of the Southern or S.E.Asian nations, let alone China? Do you think we would supply aid to Haiti, old Soviet Block regions, Africa, Central America? So you imagine that only Cuba (which even the thought is so absurd it is hilarious) and N. Korea are the only human rights violators....Ever think that we do what we do with them is simply because they won't come to the table and play along, and on top of that in that it is how they maintain their own internal controls?

    My Husband used to speak on how the Soviets when they even in internal situations once they had determined what they needed (even in capital trials) would simply walk that person out, take them into a room with a drain and *boom*, done and over......If you are really neutralizing a problem you do not dick around, and be absolutely clear on this, no one does, not even the U.S..

    Dealing with others is easy.....Dealing with your own is where the problem is in that it is critical that you perpetuate a belief in the general population that what you do is actually in their best interest.

    There is an easy way to determine what the actual intentions of an individual to even government is......Simply consider "who gains" and more so, who achieves long term goals, and finally who is actually affected by those decisions?

    This is why you should not be commenting on this.....In that you have point blank accepted everything you are told, and then agreed with them not even recognizing who ACTUALLY loses.

    No worthwhile information was obtained through torture.......However, viewpoints of our own citizenry was very easily manipulated through their own fears and patriotic fervor......That viewpoint being, pointless torture is acceptable when the government tells me it is. The proof being, this very thread.

    Hush....an alias
     
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  20. ace's n 8's

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    Stop the pathetic diversion tactics, this is exactly all about terrorists.
     
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      You'll need better bait than that.

      Hush....an alias
       
      Hush, Nov 29, 2015
    2. ace's n 8's
      I'm not baiting you, I have no need to, it would not be very stimulating.
       
      ace's n 8's, Nov 29, 2015
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