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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    "Laws" really don't matter to criminals. They don't obey them anyway.

    So, are you complaining about criminals or law abiding citizens?

    So, guess you missed the point. Since he law against guns has been removed criminals are more openly using their guns. With those laws in place the problem wasn't as bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidonyx View Post
    Technically, I think the complaints about the rise in temperature?!?
    No, just making a silly comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidonyx View Post
    Thou, I think someone needs to familiarize themselves a little bit more with how those changes in CCW laws work. They don't make it any less illegal for a criminal to posses a firearm or lessen punishment for someone who commits a criminal act with a firearm.
    Another who missed the point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    So, guess you missed the point. Since he law against guns has been removed criminals are more openly using their guns. With those laws in place the problem wasn't as bad.
    Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you just enjoy lying.....

    Chicago crime down so far in 2014


    Saturday, February 01, 2014
    Febuary 1, 2014 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police say crime in the city was down last month compared to statistics from the same time last year.
    In January, shootings were down 43 percent and murders were down 47 percent in Chicago.
    The Chicago Police Department says overall crime is down 34 percent compared to January 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you just enjoy lying.....

    Chicago crime down so far in 2014


    Saturday, February 01, 2014
    Febuary 1, 2014 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police say crime in the city was down last month compared to statistics from the same time last year.
    In January, shootings were down 43 percent and murders were down 47 percent in Chicago.
    The Chicago Police Department says overall crime is down 34 percent compared to January 2013.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=9416102
    He doesn't know what he's talking about. I wonder if he knows the answer to this question. How many parts make up a M1911? There are three typical answers though only one is correct. If you can't answer that question you shouldn't talk about guns or gun rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you just enjoy lying.....

    Chicago crime down so far in 2014



    Saturday, February 01, 2014
    Febuary 1, 2014 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago police say crime in the city was down last month compared to statistics from the same time last year.
    In January, shootings were down 43 percent and murders were down 47 percent in Chicago.
    The Chicago Police Department says overall crime is down 34 percent compared to January 2013.

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    You need to check more recent news than two months ago. In the last month alone there have been four homicides in my neighborhood alone... Hence my comments about how as the temperatures have risen, so has the gun violence.

    http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-79917002/
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/...-for-violence/
    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...255075421.html

    So, call me a liar, say I'm making shit up, at least I'm not living in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow walker View Post
    He doesn't know what he's talking about. I wonder if he knows the answer to this question. How many parts make up a M1911? There are three typical answers though only one is correct. If you can't answer that question you shouldn't talk about guns or gun rights.
    Totally irrelevant. That is like saying you have to be a general in the military in order to have an opinion on it. Or if you want another example, it would be like saying you have to be a woman in order to have an opinion on abortion.

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...he-1911-sucks/

    According to this gun guy, the M1911 sucks.

    And as far as guns go, I qualified to stand security over the ballistic weapons we had on our ship while I was in the navy.

    You don't have to have a PHD in something in order to have an opinion on something.

    Now, an informed opinion is something else... Did either of you read any article about Chicago after the start of February? Or are you just happily ignoring the past two months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    Totally irrelevant. That is like saying you have to be a general in the military in order to have an opinion on it. Or if you want another example, it would be like saying you have to be a woman in order to have an opinion on abortion.

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...he-1911-sucks/

    According to this gun guy, the M1911 sucks.

    And as far as guns go, I qualified to stand security over the ballistic weapons we had on our ship while I was in the navy.

    You don't have to have a PHD in something in order to have an opinion on something.

    Now, an informed opinion is something else... Did either of you read any article about Chicago after the start of February? Or are you just happily ignoring the past two months?
    So what a S2 clearance? Big fucking deal. The M1911 is one of the best pistols on earth it's why the USMC asked Colt to design a new one the M45 and why shortly after the M9 was introduced the Recon boys went back to the old M1911s and it sure beats the hell out of a M9. Oh and the answer to the questions is 53 the M1911 has 53 parts. Is the M1911 good for conceal? No not unless you're a big guy I have a M45 in the small of my back right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow walker View Post
    So what a S2 clearance? Big fucking deal. The M1911 is one of the best pistols on earth it's why the USMC asked Colt to design a new one the M45 and why shortly after the M9 was introduced the Recon boys went back to the old M1911s and it sure beats the hell out of a M9. Oh and the answer to the questions is 53 the M1911 has 53 parts. Is the M1911 good for conceal? No not unless you're a big guy I have a M45 in the small of my back right now.
    So, no opinion on the articles I posted about Chicago gun violence? That was what made you demand I answer your stupid irrelevant question...

    Seems to me a waste of time discussing anything with you as you already have your mind set on shouting people down as opposed to actually discussing the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    You need to check more recent news than two months ago. In the last month alone there have been four homicides in my neighborhood alone... Hence my comments about how as the temperatures have risen, so has the gun violence.

    http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-79917002/
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/...-for-violence/
    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...255075421.html

    So, call me a liar, say I'm making shit up, at least I'm not living in the past.
    LMAO, this is from one of your links:

    More than a decade after 9/11, Comey said counterterrorism still “is and should be the FBI’s No. 1 priority,” but he added the challenges have changed. The threat from groups like al-Qaeda has shifted from countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and into regions with weaker governments like north Africa, he said. There is also a constant threat of “homegrown” terrorist attacks such as the Boston Marathon bombings a year ago.

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    So, all the stuff before that paragraph means nothing? How about the other two articles? Nothing to say? Or how about anything that your article was sadly out of date?

    Cherry-picking much?

    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    LMAO, this is from one of your links:

    More than a decade after 9/11, Comey said counterterrorism still “is and should be the FBI’s No. 1 priority,” but he added the challenges have changed. The threat from groups like al-Qaeda has shifted from countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and into regions with weaker governments like north Africa, he said. There is also a constant threat of “homegrown” terrorist attacks such as the Boston Marathon bombings a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    LMAO, this is from one of your links:

    More than a decade after 9/11, Comey said counterterrorism still “is and should be the FBI’s No. 1 priority,” but he added the challenges have changed. The threat from groups like al-Qaeda has shifted from countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan and into regions with weaker governments like north Africa, he said. There is also a constant threat of “homegrown” terrorist attacks such as the Boston Marathon bombings a year ago.

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    Now if Muslim extremists in the World weren killing more people in the US than right wing extremists like yourself you might have a point wouldn't you? But no since its actually the gun toting, false propaganda preaching, Obama hating people like yourself that has actually killed more people in terrorist attacks you don't do you Natural Boy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Now if Muslim extremists in the World weren killing more people in the US than right wing extremists like yourself you might have a point wouldn't you? But no since its actually the gun toting, false propaganda preaching, Obama hating people like yourself that has actually killed more people in terrorist attacks you don't do you Natural Boy?

    http://patdollard.com/2014/04/cnn-u-...im-terrorists/
    CNN: U.S. Right Wing Extremists More Deadly Than Muslim Terrorists
    Oh really Stumbler??? Do you know who started the KKK? Democrats started the KKK......

    Yep Stumbler, not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove/hood with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.
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    http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...tic-party-cre/
    the klan was not founded by democrats as you so ignorantly believe
    and since the democrats of that time were what is now the republican party id say that shot your shit to hell and back

    and shadow the M1911a1 does not have 53 parts it has 54

    and anyone that believes that the 1911 is junk is an idiot that thinks a glock is a good weapon
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...tic-party-cre/
    the klan was not founded by democrats as you so ignorantly believe
    and since the democrats of that time were what is now the republican party id say that shot your shit to hell and back

    and shadow the M1911a1 does not have 53 parts it has 54

    and anyone that believes that the 1911 is junk is an idiot that thinks a glock is a good weapon
    Mine has 53 I counted and it has not been modified by me it's a military issue M1911 not the a1 a relative of mine brought back home in his sea bag. I have owned 1911s that have had 54, 52 and 53 all functioned perfectly just different manufacturers.
    I like the M45 better now the M1911 is still a all time favorite but after 200rds the new M45 has won. I loaded the rounds hot and used it hard Colt fixed the rail problems they were having with early versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...tic-party-cre/
    the klan was not founded by democrats as you so ignorantly believe
    and since the democrats of that time were what is now the republican party id say that shot your shit to hell and back
    LMAO!!! You are a fool and posting garbage from politifact.com proves it. Yes the democrats started the KKK after the civil war. That is a fact.

    You are trying to rewrite history, using libtard blogs..... LOL
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    seems you are delusional
    it was not the democrats or even who you would believe that started the clan
    see most idiots believe that it was one nathan bedford forrest that created the group as a hate based terror group
    sadly that is absolute bullshit
    the KKK was originally a political based group of confederate veterans that were wanting to protest the carpetbaggers from the north that were appointed to oversee the "reconstruction" of the south
    they did not agree with the emancipation proclamation that freed what was at that point property
    same today as the tea partys assertion that taxing the wealthy for a fair share is a breech of rights
    but then you also still believe that the civil war was based mainly upon slavery

    you might need to do a little more learning in the ways of the south
    because the kkk was founded by a group of then former republicans that were disgruntled by lincolns traitorous means and his disparities and unfair taxation in the south
    after the original founding in 1865 forrest was recruited for their entrance to the national stage in 1867 and by 1869/70 forrest had come to hate what he had been associated with because a few radical members had turned words to violence and began to distance himself from the group

    the real KKK did not gain national notoriety until a radical member group calling themselves the cahaba boys bombed a church in 1963
    then in the mid 1980s republican candidate and former conservative republican politician started a group named the knights of the ku klux klan
    and then went on to become one of the founding members of distant lovers favorite sites stormfront
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...tic-party-cre/
    the klan was not founded by democrats as you so ignorantly believe
    and since the democrats of that time were what is now the republican party id say that shot your shit to hell and back

    and shadow the M1911a1 does not have 53 parts it has 54

    and anyone that believes that the 1911 is junk is an idiot that thinks a glock is a good weapon
    Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the short comings of Glocks? Seems to be popular in both the civilian and LE realms. I'm a fan of 1911s since I had the opportunity to shoot a few a couple weeks back and that's the next firearm on my bucket list.
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    This is a great example of the hysterical hypocrisy of the gun nuts. I literally had to laugh over this one.

    Missed Target: Fox's Bolling Inadvertently Advocates For Gun-Free Zones

    Ostensibly aiming to mock the safety provided by gun-free zones, Fox host Eric Bolling wound up doing just the opposite.

    Bolling has been a vocal critic of gun-free zones, frequently promoting the right-wing misnomer that mass shooters target places like schools where guns are banned. According to Bolling's logic, gun-free zones are "easy targets for whackos," so "it's time to take those gun-free zones signs down." He's argued that mass shootings "would happen with far less frequency" if no such gun bans existed.


    He seemingly attempted to make a similar point on the April 16 edition of The Five, after a panel discussion roundly criticized former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg for his pledge to donate $50 million to his new gun safety advocacy group. Bolling remarked, "Can I add one of those little sayings? You never hear about a mass shooting at a gun show."


    Of course, loaded firearms are prohibited at nearly all gun shows, which essentially makes them gun-free zones. The reason? Safety. As Crossroads of the West Gun Shows explained: (emphasis added)
    Q: Can I bring a gun to the show to sell or trade?

    A: Yes, and many folks do. Please be sure the gun is unloaded before you enter the building, and take it to our gun check table at the show entry for verification. They will clear it and secure it with a nylon tie to disable the action. No loaded firearms and no loaded magazines are permitted in any Crossroads gun show. Your personal safety is our number one priority while you are at the show.

    This prohibition on loaded weapons matches that of other gun shows around the country. In fact, in a recent analysis, Think Progress was unable to identify a single gun show that allowed patrons to carry loaded weapons on the premises, including those with concealed-carry permits.


    When shootings do occasionally occur at gun shows, it's been because people don't follow these rules and bring in loaded weapons. As CNN reported in the case of an accidental shooting at a gun show last year, "The original owner of the Taurus semi-automatic 9 mm handgun used in the shooting brought the firearm into the show fully loaded. This is despite the policy of searches to make sure all guns are not loaded and rendered safe before others can handle them."


    Studies show that most mass shootings in recent years have occurred in places where guns were allowed, and experts say that gun-free zones do not encourage mass shootings. It seems Bolling has finally agreed, albeit inadvertently.
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    liquid you asked as to why i found issues with the glocks it all comes down to basic design
    glock uses a polygonal design for the barrels and since most people in the US use a cast lead ammunition for basic daily target shooting and the cast rounds act differently in a polygonal barrel versus a traditional land and groove style barrel
    the lead will allow for a lower pressure for the traditional barrel but in the glock it requires even more pressure which effects the chamber support(what little support there is)
    and if for some reason you use a SAAMI round the pressure level is off the charts and the glock is likely to self destruct
    sadly most of the failures are due to the shooters and their failure to read the manual and follow the load specifications

    then add in that in the US more people are using reloaded ammo more than ever before and that 1 minor issue becomes multiplied time and time again and gets even worse when the casing is reloaded several times

    if glock had sense they would ditch the polygonal style barrels in favor of a teflon coated land and groove style barrel and add the needed chamber supports
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    Oh really Stumbler??? Do you know who started the KKK? Democrats started the KKK......

    Yep Stumbler, not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove/hood with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.
    Oh, jeez... That was generations ago... Ever hear of the Dixie-crate? They migrated to the Republican party a long time ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    Oh, jeez... That was generations ago... ...
    Yep, the democrats have been bigots for a very long time indeed!
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    hey natureboy you do understand that until about 1930 the democrats were what we now call the republicans?
    they held the very same deals and philosophies
    they were against the government getting too large and gaining too much power
    they had issues with everything that was not the way that they deemed to be right

    and i will ask just for my own edification on the behalf of your mentality what was the principal cause for the civil war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    hey natureboy you do understand that until about 1930 the democrats were what we now call the republicans?
    they held the very same deals and philosophies
    they were against the government getting too large and gaining too much power
    they had issues with everything that was not the way that they deemed to be right

    and i will ask just for my own edification on the behalf of your mentality what was the principal cause for the civil war?
    I obviously "understand" quite a bit more than you.... The Civil War was about individual state rights and the overreach of the federal government....

    Oh yes, and the democrats started the KKK.......
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    and again here is your failure to understand the plight of the south under the tyrannical rule of the wealth of the the north
    it was to a minimum about a states rights but more-so to do with the abuse of the use of money to enforce their will upon the poor
    and the KKK was a radicalized group not unlike the ta party
    so if we allow your argument that the KKK was a democratic device we then should also allow that the tea party is the modern day equivalent of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    I obviously "understand" quite a bit more than you.... The Civil War was about individual state rights and the overreach of the federal government....

    Oh yes, and the democrats started the KKK.......
    Overreach of the Fed govt? Are you really saying here that you would have supported the southern states' rights to enforce SLAVERY? Because that's what the Civil War was about: the right of some states to enforce slavery. They seceded because they thought that Lincoln could eventually do something about slavery.

    Yep, the Dems may have started the KKK, but they were a very different party back in the post Civil War years, and the Republicans were at that stage the more left wing party. LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act did lose the South for the Dems, and they lost 5 of the 6 Pres elections from 1968. But the Dems have now won 4 of the last 6, and Obama is more progressive than Clinton. The Repugs are now the party of the white southern bigots.
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    magic you really are a dense fuck
    the southern revolution had as much to do with slavery as coffee did with the american revolution
    its was based upon states rights and illegal taxation
    in the few years leading to the civil war the yankee hordes were attempting to enforce a policy of industrialization on the mainly agriculturalist based south
    in the cities of the north industries like steel mills and the such were the norm
    massive production at low wages
    in the south it was slow growth crops that needed man power

    then in about 1858 the north enacted a room tax on all of the southern states
    meaning that only in the southern states where the agriculture was the primary income did such tax exist

    and for the record the emancipation proclamation is an invalid and illegal document as it only targets the states that at that time were not part of the US
    and since it is a targeted ideal it violates the constitution
    based on that it only disallowed the seceded states from the ownership of a slave and denied to enforce that same law on the masters of the northern states
    and you may need to look further into lincolns history and the fact that he owned slaves
    even after he freed the southern slaves
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    If you really believe that bullshit you just wrote, you have SHIT FOR BRAINS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    Yep, the democrats have been bigots for a very long time indeed!
    And your ignorance shows it ugly head... But it is pointless to try and explain it to you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    liquid you asked as to why i found issues with the glocks it all comes down to basic design
    glock uses a polygonal design for the barrels and since most people in the US use a cast lead ammunition for basic daily target shooting and the cast rounds act differently in a polygonal barrel versus a traditional land and groove style barrel
    the lead will allow for a lower pressure for the traditional barrel but in the glock it requires even more pressure which effects the chamber support(what little support there is)
    and if for some reason you use a SAAMI round the pressure level is off the charts and the glock is likely to self destruct
    sadly most of the failures are due to the shooters and their failure to read the manual and follow the load specifications

    then add in that in the US more people are using reloaded ammo more than ever before and that 1 minor issue becomes multiplied time and time again and gets even worse when the casing is reloaded several times

    if glock had sense they would ditch the polygonal style barrels in favor of a teflon coated land and groove style barrel and add the needed chamber supports
    Thank you! That was very informative. Not the type of response I was expecting at all
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    6-year-old accidentally shoots and kills SC woman after finding gun during car ride

    A 6-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed a South Carolina woman after finding a gun in the back seat of a car.


    Investigators said the boy shot 22-year-old Alexandra Anita Santos, who was riding in the passenger seat of the car, on Thursday afternoon after finding the semiautomatic handgun.


    Police said the boy was the son of the driver, who was described as a friend of Santos.


    Authorities said the single shot went through the seat, struck the woman’s back, and traveled into her chest.
    The car was moving at the time of the shooting, police said.


    Investigators aren’t sure who owns the gun or why it was on the rear floorboard when the child found it.
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    Another week heavy on the self-shootings. We have 40 total listings, and 21 of them involve people accidentally shooting themselves.

    Seven of our listings involved law enforcement officers, active duty military, or security guards. Their seven accidents wounded three and killed two, including the astonishing death of a Marine guard posted at the entrance to Camp Lejeune, NC, accidentally shot by the other guard with whom he was standing duty.


    Speaking of astonishing stories, here's one I didn't include in the list, because it just doesn't fit the category:

    The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department acknowledged Thursday that its deputies mistakenly shot and killed an aspiring TV producer earlier this week while responding to a stabbing and hostage standoff in West Hollywood. Sheriff’s officials said deputies believed John Winkler, 30, was the attacker when they encountered him at a Palm Avenue apartment complex Monday night. In fact, he was one of three hostages being held inside an apartment by a man with a knife. Winkler was shot in the chest when he rushed out of the apartment with one of the other victims, sheriff's officials said in a statement.
    There were six child victims of GunFAIL in today's compilation, ages, 4, 8, 9, 11, 11 and 17. And two kids who accidentally shot their siblings, including a 2-year-old who somehow managed to fire someone's (very manly) .357 with an 8-inch barrel. In our other standard categories, we find four target shooting accidents, three home invasion shootings, three gun cleaning accidents (and one gun "securing" accident, if you're not full-up on irony yet), plus one guy who accidentally shot himself at an NRA event.

    Anyway, you get the gist. So without further ado, this week's dishonor roll, below the fold.




    1. HUNTINGTON, WV, 3/26/14: A shooting in Huntington Wednesday night has family and friends mourning a loss, while police put together pieces of evidence. It happened around 9:00 p.m. in the Highlawn neighborhood on Latulle Avenue. Huntington Police said it was an unintentional shooting. They said Lawrence and two other men passed a shotgun around while drinking. Officials said Lawrence was "manipulating the gun" when it fired into his chest, killing him. Huntington Police said Lawrence brought the shotgun from his home, just one street over on Guyan Avenue. "There were some issues with the individual and why he had the shotgun, we really don't want to go into it this point," said Huntington Police Lt. John Williams. Witnesses told police they believed the gun was unloaded and were shocked when it went off.
    2. MEADVILLE, PA, exact date unknown: Pennsylvania State Police are investigating the circumstances surrounding the accidental firing of a weapon by a trooper inside the Meadville area state police barracks on Murray Road in Vernon Township. “There was an accidental discharge and there were no injuries,” Sgt. Mark Zaleski, spokesman for Troop E headquarters in Erie, said of the discharge of a state-issued pistol inside the Meadville barracks recently. Troop E includes state police barracks at Erie, Girard, Corry, Meadville, Warren and Franklin. Zaleski said he was aware of the incident, but he didn’t have the exact date or time of the incident since there was no news release made on the incident. “There will be an internal investigation by the Bureau of Integrity and Professional Standards,” he said. Asked if the report on the incident would be made public once it is completed, Zaleski said it would not because it was a personnel matter which is a closed record.
    3. BAYARD, NM, 4/02/14: Danny Paz, 36, of Bayard was shot in the face last week at a Bayard residence. According to Bayard Police Lt. Willie Kerin, the suspect, Duane Carrasco, 40, and an eye witness, Juan Molina, 56, both claim the shooting was accidental. But Paz's sister-in-law, Twyla Paz, said she believes it was intentional. Bayard police were called at about 9:45 p.m. Wednesday to a residence in the 300 block of Stewart Street, according to Kerin. The caller told police an accidental shooting had happened. The victim was Danny Paz. According to Kerin, he and another officer arrived at the house and a man, later identified as Carrasco, was standing on a side porch. He yelled out that Danny Paz was there. When police walked into the kitchen, they found Paz on all fours, bleeding profusely from the face and mouth area, according to Kerin. Paz was conscious, still alert, and moaning. According to Kerin, Paz was able to identify that Carrasco shot him before he was taken away. The bullet entered the right cheek and there was no exit wound, according to Kerin. Bayard police arrested Carrasco. According to Carrasco's statement, he had been drinking alcohol in the kitchen with Paz and Molina. Carrasco was proud of the fact that he had recently gotten a deer tag and he left the house, crossed the street, then came back with his new hunting rifle, according to Kerin. According to Molina's statement, Carrasco then returned the hunting rifle to the residence across the street and got into a vehicle with other people and drove off. Carrasco retuned with more alcohol to the kitchen where Paz and Molina were still drinking. When Carrasco returned, he allegedly brought with him a .22 caliber hand gun. According to Kerin, Bayard police found beer cans in the kitchen sink and on the floor and little liquor bottles on the floor. During the course of conversation, Carrasco allegedly went for the hand gun sitting on the kitchen counter and it went off in his hand, shooting Paz in the face. According to Molina's testimony, all three men have been friends for a long time. Kerin said Bayard police arrested Carrasco and charged him with negligent use of a firearm. Kerin said the Bayard police called the District Attorney's office for advise on charging Carrasco due to the severity of Paz's injury, but the D.A.'s office agreed with the charge since the shooting did not appear to be intentional.
    4. MILFORD, DE, 4/04/14: Officers responded to Milford Bayhealth Hospital after receiving a report of a victim entering the emergency room with multiple gunshot wounds. Police said the 20-year-old victim told detectives that he accidentally shot himself but only after initially stating that he had been shot by an unknown person somewhere on Montgomery Street. The victim was treated and later released.
    5. MONUMENT, CO, 4/05/14: Authorities are investigating whether a shooting in Monument Saturday morning was accidental. Monument police and El Paso County deputies were called to the 200 block of Saber Creek at 10:30 a.m. on reports that a 9-year-old had been shot in the hand. The boy was taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. According to Monument Police Department spokesman Lt. Burke, authorities currently believe the incident was an accident, but are still investigating. Burke says they are looking into whether the boy accidentally shot himself. Police say the parents were home at the time of the incident.
    6. GRAND JUNCTION, CO, 4/05/14: A man fleeing a melee early Saturday on Orchard Mesa was accidentally shot in the back by a back-seat passenger riding in the man’s car, witnesses told Grand Junction police. Aaron Munoz, 20, of Clifton, was arrested Sunday on a police warrant for suspicion of second-degree assault, possession of a weapon by a prior offender, illegal discharge of a firearm and reckless endangerment, all in connection with a shooting reported to police just before 3 a.m. Saturday. Officers responded just before 3 a.m. on a shots fired report at 138 Dorothy Ave., according to an arrest warrant affidavit. The victim was met by police in parking lot of True Value, 2868 U.S. Highway 50. There, they found a 16-year-old boy with a gunshot wound to his back, but he was walking around. The boy told police he and Munoz, described in the affidavit as friends for the past seven years, got in a fight with another group at a party at the Dorothy Avenue home before they decided to leave in the boy’s car. Munoz was reportedly drunk. The boy said they were driving west on Highway 50 near 27 Road, when he was shot. “He said Aaron was the one who shot him, saying Aaron was sitting in the rear passenger seat behind him,” the affidavit said. “(Boy) said he didn’t see the gun that night and didn’t know Aaron had it with him. (Boy) said he believed the shooting was accidental.” Two others in the car described a similar scenario to detectives.
    7. PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/05/14: Police say a 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his 11-year-old sister in their Mantua home while their mother was just down the hall in the bathroom. Investigators say 11-year-old Jamara Stevens was killed when she and her three siblings, a 14-year-old boy, 7-year-old girl and 2-year-old boy, were playing with a .357 caliber handgun with an 8-inch barrel in their home on the 3800 block of Wallace Street just before 10 a.m. Saturday. Tiffany Goldwire and her four children were in her bedroom, when she went to use the bathroom, according to police. At that point, the kids located the loaded firearm, which was left on top of the refrigerator by the mother's boyfriend who visited the home earlier that morning, and the eldest child retrieved it, according to reports. While playing with the weapon, the 2-year-old boy pointed the loaded, cocked gun in the direction of his 11-year-old sister and it discharged, striking her in the arm, according to authorities. Investigators say the bullet then traveled through her chest, hitting her heart. The girl was taken to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia where she was pronounced dead at 10:20 a.m.
    8. DALMATIA, PA, 4/05/14: Antonio D. Croce, of New Market, Md., suffered injuries to his second and third toe on his foot after accidentally shooting himself with a 12 gauge shotgun about 6 p.m. Saturday at the Martz Game Farm in Lower Mahanoy Township, according to state police at Stonington.
    9. QUARRYVILLE, PA, 4/05/14: State police say a woman accidentally shot herself in the leg with a handgun in her Quarryville garage. Just after 9 p.m. on Saturday, officials received a report of an accidental shooting in the 900 block of Buck Road in East Drumore Township, Lancaster County. The 26-year-old victim told police she accidentally shot herself in the leg while moving a loaded .45 caliber semi-automatic handgun within her attached garage. The injuries are not believed to be life-threatening and no criminal activity is suspected.
    10. YAMHILL, OR, 4/10/14: A 20-year-old man was shot and killed in Yamhill and investigators said his friend was handling the gun at the time it was fired. Emergency crews responded to a 911 call about a shooting on East Azalea Street in Yamhill at 9 p.m. Saturday. The victim, Colby Duyn, was treated at the scene and taken to Willamette Valley Medical Center. He died later that night. The Yamhill County District Attorney's Office said the person handling the 9mm pistol at the time of the shooting was Chad Barton, 19. Investigators said Duyn and Barton were longtime friends and had been together for several hours before the shooting. It does not appear drugs or alcohol were factors, according to the district attorney's office. Investigators said it was an apparent accidental shooting, however no other details were revealed. The investigation is continuing.
    11. FORT DIX, NJ, 4/05/14: Military officials are investigating what is believed to be an accidental shooting at Fort Dix that sent one soldier to the hospital Saturday night, according to a report on 6abc.com. Officials told ABC 6 Action News Philadelphia that the shooting occurred on a range at the military base just after 6 p.m. The news site reported that the wounded soldier was flown to Capital Health System, and his condition is unknown at this time. Burlington County Central Communications confirmed it received a request for an ambulance to be sent to the base. Units reported that the soldier accidentally shot himself in the armpit, according to a BNN alert, a police monitoring service. Base officials were unavailable to confirm this report. This weekend, the base has been conducting artillery training sessions. UPDATE: A U.S. Marine was in stable condition this afternoon after the military said he was wounded Saturday night by a ricochet bullet during a live fire training exercise at a base in southern New Jersey.
    12. DAVIDSON CO., TN, 4/06/14: A woman was transported to Vanderbilt Medical Center after shooting near the Davidson-Cheatham county line early Sunday. According to Metro police, the woman was shot accidentally by her husband at their home on Biggs Road. Police tell Channel 4 News that the man was trying to shoot an aggressive pit bull, fearing an attack. As the man handled the gun it went off, reportedly hitting his wife in the leg. Police say he will not face any charges.
    13. SANFORD, FL, 4/06/14: A Seminole County man is in critical condition after being shot in the head. The shooting happened around 2 a.m. at the Dunwoody Commons complex on the 5000 block of Hawkstone Drive. The male victim was rushed Orlando Regional Medical Center. He was with a small group of friends when the shooting occurred and Seminole County deputies believe the shooting was accidental. Seminole deputies believe he was accidentally shot by someone else. The teen was in a small group of friends when the shooting occurred. The shooting remains under investigation and charges could be filed in this case. UPDATE: The 20-year-old man shot in the head in Seminole County Sunday has died.
    14. MONROE, OR, 4/06/14: The Benton County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the weekend shooting of a 60-year-old woman wounded on her way to get the newspaper outside her Monroe area home. Capt. Greg Ridler with the BCSO said Monday Gale Fogelstrom was walking down a rural street for about half a mile to her newspaper box when she reported hearing about 40 rounds of ammunition being fired. Hearing shots in the area is fairly common, according to Ridler. As she continued down the road, Fogelstrom told deputies she was struck twice by bullets, entering both her lower left back and her left buttocks. Folgestrom was eventually picked up by a motorist and given a ride to her home, where her boyfriend called 911. Neither bullet exited Fogelstrom’s body, but her injuries did not appear to be life-threatening upon initial assessment, Ridler said. Two people, 47-year-old Jeffrey Field and 37-year-old Lena Potter, were named by Ridler Monday as being responsible potentially for Fogelstrom’s injury. Deputies spoke to Field and Potter, who live about 100 yards from the road where the incident occurred. Both Field and Potter admitted to conducting target practice on their property when Fogelstrom was shot. They were shooting down a heavily forested hill, according to Ridler, and were unaware anyone had been shot. Field and Potter were not arrested, but deputies did remove two handguns and ammunition from the home. Neither have been named suspects and the investigation is ongoing.
    15. COLUMBIA, MO, 4/06/14: A bullet flew through two Columbia homes and lodged in a kitchen cabinet on Sunday afternoon, according to Columbia police. Police told ABC 17 News a single bullet traveled through the back corner of one home in a duplex in the 400 block of Foxfire Drive around 12:30 p.m. The bullet then went through the wall of the home attached in the duplex into the kitchen, where it lodged in a cabinet. According to police, one female resident was home at the time of the shooting and heard a loud noise but didn't realize what it was. It wasn't until her roommate came home later and found the bullet in the cabinet that they called police. ABC 17 News spoke to the resident of the home where the bullet first entered, Zeshan Peng. He said he was home sleeping at the time of the shooting. "I didn't hear anything at all, so I was surprised when police told me there was a gunshot in my house," Peng said. Peng said he didn't think he was a target of the shooting, and didn't know if his female neighbors were. Other neighbors ABC 17 News talked to were surprised the shooting happened in a neighborhood they described as a "student neighborhood". "It's not uncommon to hear about them [shootings] but it's weird hearing it over here because it never happens over here," Alyssa Crawford said. Police told ABC 17 News they believe this shooting was accidental, even saying it could have been someone cleaning their gun. Right now, police do not have a suspect description. They believe the bullet was from a pistol.
    16. EAST PALO ALTO, CA, 4/06/14: 2200 block of Terra Villa Avenue, 7:07 a.m. Sunday An intoxicated man who shot himself in the foot -- literally -- was treated at a hospital and arrested for negligent discharge of a firearm.
    17. FLORENCE, AZ, 4/06/14: A Florence Gardens man suffered a chest wound Sunday afternoon that police believe could have been fired by a man or his 12-year-old grandson who were shooting their guns in the desert west of the house. According to a police report, police responded to the house on N. Indiana Avenue just before 1 p.m. and found a man with a small red blood stain on his upper left chest area. The man told police he was lying on his garage floor working when he was struck by a bullet that came through the wall. The man provided the bullet, which appeared to be a .40 caliber round, to police. The man was transported to Banner Ironwood Medical Center for treatment. The officer responded to the desert west of Florence Gardens to attempt to locate any individuals who were shooting, and in approximately 20 to 30 minutes, located a man and his grandson. They were armed with a .22 caliber Ruger revolver, a .22 caliber Savage rifle and a .40 caliber Barretta model 96 semiauto handgun. The officer explained to the man that the officer would have to confiscate his Barretta for evidence, and that if the weapon fired the bullet that struck the Florence Gardens man, he could face criminal charges. The officer returned the man’s .22 caliber weapons and he was free to leave. The officer returned to the house, but later returned to the desert area approximately 15 to 20 yards west of the house to try to locate any spent shell casing. The officer did not find any. The incident is closed pending ballistic testing of the weapon and bullet located at the scene.
    18. FORT WAYNE, IN, 4/07/14: A man was injured when his firearm accidentally discharged in the locker room at the Renaissance YMCA Monday morning. Michael Joyner, public information officer for the Fort Wayne Police Department, said the man was in fair condition after the shooting. According to a statement from the YMCA, a man had a small handgun in his gym bag. The gun accidentally discharged and grazed his chin. The YMCA staff immediately called 911 and provided care. “Our thoughts and prayers go out to this man and his family and friends. We are sure you will join us in respecting their privacy during this difficult time,” the statement from the YMCA said. The YMCA of Greater Fort Wayne's current policies prohibit carrying or concealing a weapon or any object that may be used as a weapon in its facilities and on its grounds. The YMCA said it will evaluate its policies in order to ensure a continued safe environment and investigate the incident thoroughly. The organization is cooperating with authorities in their investigation.
    19. TULSA CO., OK, 4/07/14: Just after 3:30 p.m., deputies received a report of a shooting at the 7200 block of West Skyline Drive, police said. Dispatchers said the caller indicated a man was shot in the back from the attic while attempting to shoot a squirrel. Tulsa County Sheriff's Office spokesman Billy McKelvey said the homeowner told deputies he is renovating his gazebo and has been having problems with squirrels in the area while doing so. He said he has successfully caught a couple of squirrels in the past and knew where this particular squirrel was in the house, so he went to the attic to catch it, McKelvey said. "He shot at the squirrel, not realizing his directions got a little bit confused and not realizing he was shooting toward people that were working on his gazebo," he said. "And a .22 round went through the roof and hit one of the workers." The worker was transported by EMSA to a nearby hospital, but McKelvey said his injuries do not appear life-threatening. Deputies are waiting to learn more about the man's condition before deciding whether to take the homeowner into custody on a complaint of reckless use of a firearm, he said.
    20. CROSS LANES, WV, 4/07/14: The parents of the toddler who was shot in Cross Lanes has been charged in the incident. Kanawha County Sheriff's Deputies tell WSAZ.com John Seymour, 23, and Tabitha Bowen, 24, have been arrested and charged with child neglect resulting in injury. Deputies say Kasey Seymour, 4, was dropped off with her mother at Thomas Memorial Hospital in South Charleston about 10:25 a.m. Deputies say they believe the girl's five-year-old brother shot her at a trailer along Hurley Drive. Investigators say the four-year-old was shot in the left arm, but her injuries are not life threatening. Officers tell WSAZ.com the girl was sitting up and watching TV in the hospital room shortly after she arrived. As of Monday afternoon, she was in stable condition. Deputies are still along Hurley Drive conducting a search warrant.
    21. WATERTOWN, NY, 4/07/14: A gun accidentally went off Monday afternoon at the Jefferson County Public Safety Building. That's according to Jefferson County Administrator Bob Hagemann. Hagemann said there were no injuries. He also said the incident happened in the part of the building which houses the Watertown City Police Department. Hagemann said the incident is under investigation.
    22. COLUMBUS, OH, 4/07/14: A 8-year-old boy apparently shot himself in the foot on Monday afternoon. The child was shot in a house on the 400 block of South Napoleon Avenue on the east side. Police say the boy found a gun that was hidden inside of a shoe at the home and accidently shot himself. He was transported to Nationwide Children's Hospital with minor injuries.
    23. LINCOLN, NE, 4/07/14: Lincoln police say a man who walked into a hospital with a gunshot wound to his leg may have accidentally shot himself. Officer Katie Flood said police believe the 27-year-old man was sitting in a car with a friend holding the gun when it fired. The bullet broke the man's Tibia, a bone in the lower leg. Police say he was intoxicated when he came to the hospital for treatment. Flood said the wound is not life threatening. Police say this is the second accidental shooting in a week.
    24. JACKSONVILLE, FL, 4/07/14: A 21-year-old former Jacksonville University student died Monday night of an accidental gunshot wound. Ray Mangiafico, who played on the JU Dolphins football team, left the school after the fall 2013 semester. Mangiafico is a graduate of Baker County High School. The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office responded about 9:30 p.m. Monday to Dahlia Road in Northwest Jacksonville. A man said he was asleep in a downstairs apartment when he was awoken by Mangiafico banging on his door, according to a police report. The man opened his door and Mangiafico told him to call 911 because he accidentally shot himself, according to the report. Mangiafico's parents said their son was on the computer on his desk and leaned back in his chair while cleaning his gun when it went off, hitting him in the stomach. Mangiafico's mother said her son had the gun for his job as a security guard. She said the gun had several safety features, which he had showed her in the past.
    25. CERES, CA, 4/07/14: Police say that a man shot himself in the leg while riding in a car down Whitmore Avenue Monday evening and tried to change his story when he realized that he wasn't supposed to possess a gun since he was on felony probation. At 11:50 p.m. police dispatchers received a call from a woman who was laughing hysterically and reporting that a male friend had shot himself in the upper thigh. She said she pulled over at the McDonald's at Whitmore Avenue and Morgan Road so that emergency personnel could attend to him. When paramedics arrived they found that the victim, Joel Gonzalez, 34, of Ceres, had tied fabric around his leg as a tourniquet to slow the bleeding. However, the pair changed their story when police arrived. Gonzalez told police that he was walking down the street when he was shot by some unknown person. He said because of the trauma that he forgot why he was walking, where he was walking and how he ended up in the car. The female companion also recanted her story and then said she didn't remember seeing the gun at all. Officers realized the pair was lying to cover for his possession of a gun. Police searched Whitmore Avenue and did not find the gun. Gonzalez was treated for the gunshot wound at Doctors Medical Center in Modesto. He apparently was not arrested, said Lt. Brent Smith.
    26. SAN FRANCISCO, CA, 4/07/14: A 21-year-old man was shot during a robbery as he walked to the BART station last night. The only thing is he was the one who shot himself -- accidentally. According to police reports, the man was walking to the Powell Street BART station at about about 10:30 p.m. when an armed man approached him, carrying a semi-automatic gun. The gunman told the victim to "hand over all his stuff." As the victim was complying, he accidentally hit the gun, causing it to go off, says Officer Gordon Shyy. The gunman bolted in an unknown direction. The victim went home and went to sleep. He must have slept pretty well, because he didn't realize he had been shot in the thigh until he woke up this next morning. He got up and went to San Francisco General Hospital where he was treated for a non life-threatening leg wound.
    27. LOWER SAUCON TOWNSHIP, PA, 4/08/14: A New Jersey man participating in a program at the Steel City Gun Club was injured today when he accidentally shot his own leg, according to Bethlehem police Deputy Chief Todd Repsher. The man was at the Lower Saucon Township gun range as part of a program put on by the National Rifle Association and hosted in part by the Bethlehem Police Department, Repsher said. Medical crews were dispatched to the secluded gun range off of Riverside Drive at about 1:34 p.m., according to emergency dispatch reports. Since the man was wounded at the event, Repsher said city police handled the incident and sent him to St. Luke's University Hospital in Fountain Hill for treatment. The injury, Repsher siad, was not life-threatening. Several police and security agencies were taking part in the program, Repsher said, including two Bethlehem police officers.
    28. PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/08/14: Young people playing with a gun landed a teenager in the hospital overnight, according to Philadelphia Police. Police were called to the 3500 block of Jasper Street in the city’s Kensington neighborhood around 11 p.m. Tuesday night to investigate a shooting. According to investigators, a 17-year-old and his friend were playing with a gun inside a home along that block when the firearm went off. The bullet struck the unidentified teen in the arm. He was rushed the Temple University Hospital where he remained in stable condition Wednesday morning. Police didn’t say if anyone would be charged in the case. This shooting comes just days after a series of other shootings of children in the city.
    29. CAMP LEJEUNE, NC, 4/08/14: A Marine sentry at Camp Lejeune's main gate might have accidentally fired his M4 service rifle Tuesday evening, when he killed a fellow guard, Marine Corps Times is reporting. The investigation into the incident at the sprawling North Carolina Marine Corps base continues, but authorities think the incident is the result of a "negligent discharge." The shooting happened inside the guard shack, which is underneath the canopy at the base entrance. The Marine was shot once in the chest in the 5:30 p.m., incident, and despite attempts to save him, he was pronounced dead a short while later as a hospital, according to the Marine Corps Times report. Neither Marine was identified. The Naval Criminal Investigative Service is investigating, according to the report.
    30. SAN ANTONIO, TX, 4/09/14: Police say a 19-year veteran of the force shot himself early Wednesday morning at the San Antonio Police Department helicopter hangar. The incident happened at the department's hangar located at Stinson Airport on the city's South Side. A police department spokesman says the officer was switching holsters when he shot himself in the hand. He was able to call for help. The officer was taken to University Hospital for treatment. He is expected to be okay. The officer works as a pilot for SAPD's eagle helicopter program. Police believe this was an accidental shooting, but it remains under investigation.
    31. HOUSTON, TX, 4/09/14: Two teens are accused in a violent robbery that backfired. Police said they caught the teens after one of them accidentally fired his gun, hitting his accomplice, as they tried to make their getaway. That robbery happened at a gas station Wednesday night at the Best Stop Valero store on West Little York and Langfield in northeast Houston. A surveillance video shows one of the boys stomping a clerk's head as the other points a gun at the cashier's head while taking money from the register. Police recovered about $800 taken from the gas station. The names of the suspected burglars have not been released.
    32. PROVIDENCE, RI, 4/09/14: Police responded to the scene of an accidental shooting on Wednesday morning. According to officials, a 26-year-old man mistakenly shot himself while cleaning his gun this morning at his Whittier Avenue home. After police responded to the scene, they reportedly removed five handguns and a shotgun from the home for safety reasons. The man’s condition is currently unknown.
    33. CHICAGO, IL, 4/09/14: A doctor who had nine unregistered guns in his Lincoln Park high-rise fired one into his neighbor’s condo and later told the police it was an accident caused by a “nervous tic,” Cook County prosecutors said Saturday. “Everything happened so fast,” 53-year-old Michael Olivieri told the police after his arrest, according to their report. He said he “had squeezed the trigger” — an act that was like a nervous tic, “like squeezing a tennis ball,” according to his arrest report. No one was hurt. Olivieri, who is on leave from work after going deaf, told officers he had placed one of his guns on his kitchen island on Wednesday and thought he had replaced his bullets with “dummy” rounds before he fired from his 14th -floor condminium, in the 2000 block of Lincoln Park West. Police said they found eight unregistered guns in Olivieri’s condo. Oliveri was charged with felony reckless discharge of a firearm and cited for each unregistered gun and ordered held Saturday on $10,000 bail.
    34. FAIRMONT, WV, 4/09/14: A boy remains in critical condition after being shot more than a week ago, and police officials are now saying the incident was accidental in nature. On Wednesday, April 9, at 7:52 p.m., police were dispatched to a Fairmont residence after an 11-year-old boy sustained a gunshot wound inside the home. Last week, Fairmont Police Chief Kelley Moran confirmed that another person was involved in the shooting, but officials are not releasing the name of either the boy or the other person involved. According to new information from Lt. Steve Shine, which was released to media at about 1 p.m. Thursday, the shooting looks as if it was an accident. "All information gained thus far in the Fairmont Police Department investigation of this shooting indicates that this was an unintentional and accidental discharge of a firearm,” Shine said. “There is no public safety issue. The general population's safety will not be enhanced by the release of further details regarding this case.”
    35. GLENDALE, CA, 4/10/14: A 24-year-old Glendale man accidentally shot his own leg early Thursday while he was securing a firearm before going to bed, police said. The man, whose identity wasn’t released, was taken to Huntington Memorial Hospital, where he underwent treatment for a non-life-threatening gunshot wound to his right leg, Glendale police spokeswoman Tahnee Lightfoot said. He was reportedly trying to lock his Smith & Wesson handgun at about midnight inside his apartment in the 3300 block of Honolulu Avenue, when “his index finger accidentally pulled the trigger,” she said. He was alone at the time of the shooting, but still was able to call police for help. Officers arrived at his home and could smell alcohol on his breath, Lightfoot said. A field sobriety test was not performed at the scene. Soon after, they removed all firearms from his home and booked them for safekeeping, she added. A similar shooting occurred in January when a Glendale man accidently shot his wife in the shoulder as he was also securing a gun for safety. She was also taken to Huntington Memorial and treated for the non-life-threatening injury.
    36. LAWRENCE, KS, 4/10/14: A 47-year-old Lawrence man was flown by a LifeStar helicopter to Kansas University Hospital after a firearm he handled discharged and struck his leg just before noon Thursday. No one else was home when the gun went off in the man's home in the 2000 block of East 19th Street, according to Sgt. Trent McKinley, a Lawrence Police spokesman. McKinley described the injury as traumatic and said there were no signs of foul play. A LifeStar helicopter was called to land in a field across from the Lawrence Humane Society and near the Douglas County Fairgrounds. McKinley said the man reported the incident to emergency dispatchers around 11:54 a.m.
    37. LONG BEACH, CA, 4/10/14: Long Beach police officer was in stable condition last Thursday after being accidentally shot when his gun discharged at the North Division sub-station. According to Megan Zabel of the Long Beach Police Department, the weapon unintentionally discharged around 6:10PM and the officer sustained an injury and was transported to a local hospital for treatment. "The circumstances as to how the unintentional discharge occurred is currently under investigation," Zabel said. It is unclear where the officer was hit.
    38. PONTIAC, MI, 4/10/14: A 22-year-old Pontiac man has been arrested following reports of shots fired in the city. Oakland County Sheriff’s deputies were called to the 100 block of Perkins around 3:45 p.m. Thursday, where they were told that a man who had been shot was placed inside a black vehicle and driven away. A witness told deputies that people at the rear of the home had been shooting at each other and the victim was shot while attempting to jump a fence. The victim was later found at McLaren Hospital. He told investigators that he may have shot himself in the leg while hopping the fence. He was unsure how he was shot.
    39. AUGUSTA, ME, 4/11/14: A man accidentally shot himself in the leg with a new handgun on Friday afternoon, police said. Lt. Christopher Massey of the Augusta Police Department said the 26-year-old man, who he didn’t identify, had friends over at his Riverside Drive home and the gun went off, just before police and rescue units were called there at 4:26 p.m. “He was showing them and somehow the thing went off, as they do when they’re new and you’re not familiar with them,” Massey said. Massey said the man was taken to the Alfond Center for Health in Augusta, but transferred quickly to Maine Medical Center in Portland, though Massey didn’t think the wound to his leg was life-threatening.
    40. PARKER CO., TX, 4/11/14: Parker County deputies say a shooting that injured a man in the 8500 block of FM Road 1886 shortly after 5 p.m. Friday was reported to be accidental. “A 90-year-old white male was reportedly cleaning his [.38-caliber] firearm and accidentally shot himself in the chest,” Parker County sheriff’s spokeswoman Deputy Danie Huffman said. “His wife was home at the time but did not witness it.” The man was taken by helicopter a Fort Worth hospital. His condition was not known Monday afternoon. He reportedly told deputies that “it just went off,” according to the sheriff’s office which is conducting an investigation, as is routine in shootings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krieg View Post
    Perhaps you should be in charge of the American Tourist Industry.

    I can see owning a rifle for hunting, or if your raising livestock. But really what on earth do you need automatic weapons, handguns, sniper rifles or that much ammunition for?

    Are people THAT paranoid and distrustful of their neighbours? Or just awaiting the Zombie apocalypse?
    When I see that much firearms blatantly laying about and in private ownership I can't help but think of third world nations with gangs of marauders roaming about arbitrarily killing anyone who opposes the local Warlord.

    I am also given to think that this 2nd Amendment is a tad antiquated, and is really only staunchly defended so because arms manufacturers make a ton of money off of selling to paranoid citizens.

    But thank you, you reinforce my commitment never to visit your country, bring in my tourist dollars, because chances are some nut job with a firearm will probably shoot me.

    I added this comment so you could justify your comment about liberals (note spelling).

    Now the question would be asked; would you be so brave if you didn't have a gun to cower behind?
    Its not a need it's a fucking wright!! One I'm willing to fight and die over. See I take care of my own. Like Phil Robertson said "around here I am 911"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy&heidi View Post
    Its not a need it's a fucking wright!! One I'm willing to fight and die over. See I take care of my own. Like Phil Robertson said "around here I am 911"
    I sure hope you shoot better than you spell. Otherwise you certainly appear to be just another loud mouth too fucking ignorant to be trusted with a loaded gun. You know like this guy who is supposed to be trained with guns.

    Calif. TV station films dog calmly playing with kids after cop shoots himself trying to kill it

    A California deputy accidentally shot himself while trying to kill a dog that he said was threatening his life on Wednesday, but video captured by a local television station later showed the animal much smaller than reported and peacefully playing with children.


    According to a Riverside County sheriff’s spokesperson, the deputy was serving an eviction notice at around 2 p.m. on Wednesday when a “large” dog tried to attack him, KCAL reported.


    “A dog came at the deputy in an aggressive manner,” Deputy Armando Munoz said, according to The Press-Enterprise. “The deputy, (attempting to defend himself) pulled his service weapon, shot one round, and injured himself in the leg.”


    “He’s OK. He has non life-threatening injuries.”


    Munoz said that the dog’s aggressive behavior ended when it was startled by the gunfire.


    When KNBC film crews arrived on the scene later on Wednesday, they found a medium-sized pit bull — named “Precious” — confined to a pen, and calmly playing with several children. The dog’s owner admitted that it had been barking when the officer arrived.


    Animal Services did not take the dog into custody because there was no evidence it or the owner had done anything wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    you may need to look further into lincolns history and the fact that he owned slaves
    even after he freed the southern slaves
    Revisonist rubbish.

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    historians are correct that lincolns views of slavery were consistent but they fail to look at the todd family and refuse to mention that mary todd was married to a slave owner, he died and she took ownership over the slaves and when she married lincoln he became the legal owner of them
    he allowed them to remain with the todd family because he wanted no part of it

    history also tends to fail to mention that lincoln was a violent person that was frequently known for fighting
    he also spent alot of nights when he traveled sleeping in beds with other men instead of asking for a solo bed but that was not too uncommon for that era

    and liquid i do not know what type of response you expected from someone that sells firearms but i will not defame a firearm just because i dont like it i will explain flaws that are known to exist
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    I sure hope you shoot better than you spell. Otherwise you certainly appear to be just another loud mouth too fucking ignorant to be trusted with a loaded gun. You know like this guy who is supposed to be trained with guns.

    Calif. TV station films dog calmly playing with kids after cop shoots himself trying to kill it



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    I was stating my opinion. It is my right to be a gun owner. If an intruder comes into my house in the middle of the night, I have the right to protect my family. And for the jab about spelling, I have my fat thumbs to blame for most of my mistakes. But hey I admit I do make grammar errors. But to the guys who lean on the side of outlawing guns, you do realize that would just un-arm the law abiding citizen. The criminals will still be armed because they don't give a shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy&heidi View Post
    I was stating my opinion. It is my right to be a gun owner. If an intruder comes into my house in the middle of the night, I have the right to protect my family. And for the jab about spelling, I have my fat thumbs to blame for most of my mistakes. But hey I admit I do make grammar errors. But to the guys who lean on the side of outlawing guns, you do realize that would just un-arm the law abiding citizen. The criminals will still be armed because they don't give a shit.
    You will learn quickly about liberals is when you point out the following facts they stick their fingers in their ears and go LA LA LA right wing extremist LA LA LA Domestic terrorists LA LA LA. These facts are a sniper rifle is primarily an bolt action rifle with a scope. A hunting rifle is primarily an bolt action rifle with a scope. That translates into a sniper rifle is the same thing as a hunting rifle so to ban one would ban both.fully automatic firearms are illegal to own without a federal license. Semiautomatic firearms only fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger. There are many more but the biggest one is criminals don't get their firearms from legal firearms dealers but from illegal firearms dealers that don't obey any of the existing laws so they won't obey any new law. Which translates to anyone with more than one brain cell to the only ones that are effected by firearms restrictions are the law abiding firearms owners.
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    You will learn quickly about liberals is when you point out the following facts they stick their fingers in their ears and go LA LA LA right wing extremist LA LA LA Domestic terrorists LA LA LA. These facts are a sniper rifle is primarily an bolt action rifle with a scope. A hunting rifle is primarily an bolt action rifle with a scope. That translates into a sniper rifle is the same thing as a hunting rifle so to ban one would ban both.fully automatic firearms are illegal to own without a federal license. Semiautomatic firearms only fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger. There are many more but the biggest one is criminals don't get their firearms from legal firearms dealers but from illegal firearms dealers that don't obey any of the existing laws so they won't obey any new law. Which translates to anyone with more than one brain cell to the only ones that are effected by firearms restrictions are the law abiding firearms owners.
    I know. I live in the south and believe it or not there's quite a few democrats around these parts. I wouldn't say they are die hard liberals because most of them believe in gun ownership. And like you were saying about the hunting rifles being the same as a sniper rifle is absolutely the truth. I have a .257 Weatherby mag and if I had a good tactical scope, I could hit 3 inch group at 1000 yards. So there's no difference. I wouldn't try it without practicing but I would bet money I could hit a deer at 1000 with my cheap leoupold 3*9 I have on it now. Biggest problem is the .25 caliber looses a lot of energy at that distance. I would want to make sure the bullet is well placed in the vitals. In my book it wouldn't be very ethical at my skill level.
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    in the more modern era the rifles of preference for what people love to label as snipers has become a semi-auto rifle with a heavy walled barrel to accept the +p+ rounds taht are used
    personally i loved the barret 105 and the winchester .308 bolt actions because you knew that it would fire properly every time

    and hellcat kiss my ass on this liberal bashing bullshit saying that all democrats hate guns
    i vote for the better person and sometimes it is the democrat and even you call me a liberal and i love my firearms
    there are republicans that want to have them banned but you dont say a fucking word about them

    get over the one sided political bullshit that is fox news and get a life while they are still good
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    The history of snipers is intertwined with hunting from techniques used to firearms. Custom firearms for hunting go back centuries. Just as custom firearms for target shooting. Heavy barrels designed for higher pressures and better accuracy have always been a part of this. The first people they always look for when training snipers are people with hunting experience. The Ghillie suit came from hunters not the military. Just as the firearms have.
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    the ghillie suit started with scottish hunters
    it evolved in the american revolution where the first known "snipers" were first used
    but the most prolific use of purposed shooters (aka snipers) was the US civil war and on the southern end as was the most normalized use of landmines

    what i love is the fact that most people do not understand where the name sniper comes from
    it was a term coined in england for shooters that were best with a shot gun at hunting a little bird that is a snipe
    we have some in the US and they are very hard to kill on the fly
    then came the term sharps shooter which referred to marksmen that fired sharps carbines

    the original american "snipers" rifle was developed in either scottland or ireland (the origin is still debated) and became known here as the "brown bess" or the "kentucky long gun"
    the originals were a .54 caliber musket ball in a flintlock design
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    magic you really are a dense fuck
    the southern revolution had as much to do with slavery as coffee did with the american revolution
    its was based upon states rights and illegal taxation
    in the few years leading to the civil war the yankee hordes were attempting to enforce a policy of industrialization on the mainly agriculturalist based south
    in the cities of the north industries like steel mills and the such were the norm
    massive production at low wages
    in the south it was slow growth crops that needed man power

    then in about 1858 the north enacted a room tax on all of the southern states
    meaning that only in the southern states where the agriculture was the primary income did such tax exist

    and for the record the emancipation proclamation is an invalid and illegal document as it only targets the states that at that time were not part of the US
    and since it is a targeted ideal it violates the constitution
    based on that it only disallowed the seceded states from the ownership of a slave and denied to enforce that same law on the masters of the northern states
    and you may need to look further into lincolns history and the fact that he owned slaves
    even after he freed the southern slaves
    TOTAL BULLSHIT.


    Mary Todd's family owned slaves,,,Lincoln never did.
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    aces you need to learn history better
    she inherited the slaves and since at that point in time women could not own property of their own the slaves were held as a sort of escrow commodity
    when she was married to lincoln all of her property was then transferred to him as that he was a male and allowed to own property and at that point slaves were still viewed as properties the same as a mule

    so on the day of their marriage abraham lincoln became a slave owner
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    aces you need to learn history better
    she inherited the slaves and since at that point in time women could not own property of their own the slaves were held as a sort of escrow commodity
    when she was married to lincoln all of her property was then transferred to him as that he was a male and allowed to own property and at that point slaves were still viewed as properties the same as a mule

    so on the day of their marriage abraham lincoln became a slave owner
    Nonsense, Abe died before there was an inheritance to receive.

    In order to get an ''INHERITANCE'' parents/step parents must die first, thats not the case in this instance.
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    may todd was the eldest child
    and you need to relearn history

    NOVEMBER 4, 1842
    Marries Abraham Lincoln at her sister Elizabeth's home.

    AUGUST 1, 1843
    Gives birth to Robert Todd Lincoln in Springfield.

    MARCH 10, 1846
    Gives birth to Edward Baker Lincoln at home in Springfield.

    JULY 17, 1849
    Her father dies at age 58 in Lexington, Kentucky.

    FEBRUARY 1, 1850
    Her son Edward dies at age 3 years and 11 months in Springfield.

    DECEMBER 21, 1850
    Gives birth to William Wallace Lincoln at home in Springfield.

    JANUARY 17, 1851
    Her father-in-law, Thomas Lincoln, dies at age 73 in Coles County, Illinois.

    APRIL 13, 1852
    Joins the First Presbyterian Church in Springfield.

    APRIL 4, 1853
    Gives birth to Thomas (Tad) Lincoln at home in Springfield.

    APRIL 4, 1855
    Presents Tad for baptism at the First Presbyterian Church.


    the mother in law had no right to inherit anything
    kentucky law still leaves the eldest child as the heir apparent
    you do need to get over your bullshit superiority complex
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    Florida Man Accidentally Shoots Himself In The Buttocks

    A Hollywood, Fl. man accidentally shot himself in the buttocks on Sunday, according to the Sun Sentinel.



    The man, who was only described as in his 20s, was cleaning his .38 caliber handgun when it fell to the floor and discharged.


    "He banged on a neighbor's door, and the gentleman called us," Hollywood Police Lt. Derik Alexander said.


    The man was taken to a local hospital as a trauma alert patient and his condition remains unknown.


    "He is not going to be charged with anything," Alexander added. "He was in his home. There was no foul play or suspicious incident."
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    Man Accidentally Shoots Himself At Mississippi Traffic Safety Checkpoint

    A man accidentally shot himself at a traffic safety checkpoint in Pontotoc County, Miss. over the weekend, the Mississippi Highway Patrol told WTVA News.


    The man tried to push a gun farther down next to the seat of the car when it accidentally discharged.



    The bullet struck the man through his arm, then hit the side of his face and exited through his ear, according to WTVA.


    Police have not yet filed any charges, according to WTVA.
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