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    Why do you still believe there are gun laws in Chicago? I've told everyone here on this very thread, GUNS ARE LEGAL IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

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    The July Fourth holiday weekend brought an explosion of gunfire to Chicago, where at least 60 people were shot and roughly a dozen killed, authorities said on Monday.

    The violence was so widespread during the three-day weekend that police were still tallying the dead and wounded, Chicago Police Department spokesman Hector Alfaro said.

    In a news conference Monday morning, Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy called the violence “unacceptable,” and he blamed it in part on a “proliferation of firearms.”

    The Chicago Tribune reported 82 people were shot and 14 killed. To try to quell the violence, SWAT teams patrolled the streets along with police officers and law enforcement brought in SUVs packed with rifles, the paper said. Those shot ranged in age from 14 to 66, according to the paper.

    Police said five people were shot by officers and at least two of them were killed over the Independence Day weekend.

    In three of the incidents, the victims had pointed weapons at officers when they were shot, according to a statement issued by the Chicago Police Department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    Why do you still believe there are gun laws in Chicago? I've told everyone here on this very thread, GUNS ARE LEGAL IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO.
    Let's be honest. Chicago has been known for gun violence from the famous days of Al Capone. And consequently Chicago has tried to pass gun laws ever since. But as the police point out it does no good for Chicago to pass laws when county, state, and surrounding states gun laws are so lax they actually create their own economy based on running illegal guns to Chicago. And as the Chicago chief of police pointed out. The penalty for a gang member losing his gun was far worse from the gang than anything the police could do to that member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Let's be honest. Chicago has been known for gun violence from the famous days of Al Capone. And consequently Chicago has tried to pass gun laws ever since. But as the police point out it does no good for Chicago to pass laws when county, state, and surrounding states gun laws are so lax they actually create their own economy based on running illegal guns to Chicago. And as the Chicago chief of police pointed out. The penalty for a gang member losing his gun was far worse from the gang than anything the police could do to that member.
    You just proved the problem is not guns... If it was then these surrounding states and communities with the so called "lax gun laws" would have the same problem as Chicago.

    However, they don't..... Isn't that right Stumber????
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    You just proved the problem is not guns... If it was then these surrounding states and communities with the so called "lax gun laws" would have the same problem as Chicago.

    However, they don't..... Isn't that right Stumber????
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    it is Bush's fault.....same folks right...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    Why do you still believe there are gun laws in Chicago? I've told everyone here on this very thread, GUNS ARE LEGAL IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO.
    Hey bud, why won't you liberals prosecute people who commit crimes with firearms????

    Chicago needs to start putting people in jail for committing these crimes instead of making more laws you don't intend or are unwilling to enforce...



    Why does Chicago have the least federal gun-crime prosecutions?


    "The districts of Eastern New York, Central California, and Northern Illinois ranked 88th, 89th and 90th, respectively, out of 90 districts, in prosecutions of federal weapons crimes per capita last year..." — but why? Wayne LaPierre has pointed to this study, as if it shows why we don't need more gun laws and we simply need to get serious about the gun laws we already have. Chicago epitomizes a city with a gun violence problem, so why is it "dead last"? — to quote LaPierre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyKnight View Post
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    it is Bush's fault.....same folks right...!
    You got that right!
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    I for one, would love to see where one of these infamous gun control laws have actually stopped any gun crimes, CAN ANYONE SHOW THAT PLEASE,,,come on you gun control leftists, I am eager to see such evidence.
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    None of this hides your ignorance of what you think you know about Chicago's gun laws. Yammer on, morons...

    And this had nothing to do with Bush.
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    Guess What Detroit’s Police Chief Credits For Crime Decline


    The chief of Detroit police credited legally armed residents for a substantial decrease in crime in a city that desperately needs it.

    “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon,” said chief James Craig, according to The Detroit News.

    “I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.”

    According to The Detroit News, there have been 37 percent fewer robberies, 22 percent fewer break-ins and 30 percent fewer carjackings this so far in 2014 compared to the same period last year.

    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.

    The chief cited fewer stories of Detroit homeowners having to fire weapons at intruders as evidence that criminals are getting the message.

    The Motor City has been the poster-child of urban crisis for several decades. For various reasons the city has fallen deeply into debt, leading to what has been dubbed a “death spiral” of cutbacks to public services and increasing crime.

    Craig’s pro-self-defense comments are not new. He was featured in a National Rifle Association publication earlier this year and has made other statements to the press claiming that an armed citizenry helps deter crime.

    In his remarks, Craig distinguished between the effects of gun ownership among law-abiding citizens and ownership among criminals.

    “[Criminals] automatically assume another criminal is carrying,” Craig said. “I’m talking about criminals who are thinking of robbing a citizen; they’re less likely to do so if they think they might be armed.”

    Al Woods, an ex-criminal in the city, backed Craig’s claims.

    “If I was out there now robbing people these days, knowing there are a lot more people with guns, I know I’d have to rethink my game plan,” Woods told The Detroit News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    Guess What Detroit’s Police Chief Credits For Crime Decline



    In his remarks, Craig distinguished between the effects of gun ownership among law-abiding citizens and ownership among criminals.


    “[Criminals] automatically assume another criminal is carrying,” Craig said. “I’m talking about criminals who are thinking of robbing a citizen; they’re less likely to do so if they think they might be armed.”

    Now, if only the "Gun laws! Gun laws! And mo' gun laws!" libtard politicians and their equally libtard followers would pay attention to that one statement. Unfortunately, they'll find some stupid reason to dismiss it.
    The man who has added nearly EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS to our national debt in only five years wants you to hear THIS about a president who added less than FIVE TRILLION in eight years…



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    I know Chicago's gun laws better than most. I'm a Constitutionalist Gun Nut that means I like lots of guns and study the laws.
    I also happen to have friends in Chicago all of which have legally owned guns there for years.

    Chicago has some of the worst laws in the Country and some of the highest crime.
    Now that is all about demographics and yes I mean race.


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    i dont know about chicagos gun laws or even detroits and i dont fucking care what the laws say
    laws are selectively enforced

    what is needed is not more fucking laws and more responsible people being restricted
    we need to keep the idiots from having firearms
    there is a difference in a "nut" and a gun enthusiast
    i would support a bill that actually addressed the mental health issues that many people face and that used the appropriate criteria as reasons for denial on a temporary basis
    i would support a bill that provided free or even low cost education and safety courses for all buyers
    i would support the elimination of personal sales and the gun show trades
    i would support a bill that made the illegal possession of a firearm an executable felony

    but then again i still believe that anyone that drive drunk should be charged with either homicide or a similar charge
    i also say kill rapists and child abusers

    i do believe that all immigrants regardless of reason should be deported if they are illegal
    convicted felons are a permanent danger
    and politicians should use only what they can prove is their own money to fund a campaign
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow walker View Post
    I know Chicago's gun laws better than most. I'm a Constitutionalist Gun Nut that means I like lots of guns and study the laws.
    I also happen to have friends in Chicago all of which have legally owned guns there for years.

    Chicago has some of the worst laws in the Country and some of the highest crime.
    Now that is all about demographics and yes I mean race.
    Which laws are you talking about? I want you to be specific because the laws have changed a lot in the last few years.
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    If you are comparing Chicago to Detroit, the two cities couldn't be more different. Detroit is spread out over an extremely large area while Chicago is concentrated geographically. Plus there are large parts of Detroit that the city can't police because the amount of are too patrol is just too large.

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    Guess What Detroit’s Police Chief Credits For Crime Decline


    The chief of Detroit police credited legally armed residents for a substantial decrease in crime in a city that desperately needs it.

    “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon,” said chief James Craig, according to The Detroit News.

    “I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.”

    According to The Detroit News, there have been 37 percent fewer robberies, 22 percent fewer break-ins and 30 percent fewer carjackings this so far in 2014 compared to the same period last year.

    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.

    The chief cited fewer stories of Detroit homeowners having to fire weapons at intruders as evidence that criminals are getting the message.

    The Motor City has been the poster-child of urban crisis for several decades. For various reasons the city has fallen deeply into debt, leading to what has been dubbed a “death spiral” of cutbacks to public services and increasing crime.

    Craig’s pro-self-defense comments are not new. He was featured in a National Rifle Association publication earlier this year and has made other statements to the press claiming that an armed citizenry helps deter crime.

    In his remarks, Craig distinguished between the effects of gun ownership among law-abiding citizens and ownership among criminals.

    “[Criminals] automatically assume another criminal is carrying,” Craig said. “I’m talking about criminals who are thinking of robbing a citizen; they’re less likely to do so if they think they might be armed.”

    Al Woods, an ex-criminal in the city, backed Craig’s claims.

    “If I was out there now robbing people these days, knowing there are a lot more people with guns, I know I’d have to rethink my game plan,” Woods told The Detroit News.

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    Well, that's a lot to lump together, but the gun stuff I could agree with, is not the possession of guns that needs control, it's their availability.

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    i dont know about chicagos gun laws or even detroits and i dont fucking care what the laws say
    laws are selectively enforced

    what is needed is not more fucking laws and more responsible people being restricted
    we need to keep the idiots from having firearms
    there is a difference in a "nut" and a gun enthusiast
    i would support a bill that actually addressed the mental health issues that many people face and that used the appropriate criteria as reasons for denial on a temporary basis
    i would support a bill that provided free or even low cost education and safety courses for all buyers
    i would support the elimination of personal sales and the gun show trades
    i would support a bill that made the illegal possession of a firearm an executable felony

    but then again i still believe that anyone that drive drunk should be charged with either homicide or a similar charge
    i also say kill rapists and child abusers

    i do believe that all immigrants regardless of reason should be deported if they are illegal
    convicted felons are a permanent danger
    and politicians should use only what they can prove is their own money to fund a campaign
    and that all religions are dangerous
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    SC man leaves loaded gun on toilet paper dispenser in Walmart men’s room

    On Saturday, a Walmart shopper in York, South Carolina was startled to find a loaded Smith and Wesson .38 revolver lying on top of a toilet paper dispenser in the store’s men’s room.


    According to the Rock Hill Herald newspaper, the customer notified a manager, who locked the bathroom until police arrived to confiscate the weapon, which was loaded with five live rounds of ammunition.


    Police checked the weapon’s serial numbers and found that it was not a stolen gun. The weapon’s safety was off because it didn’t have one. The .38 revolver does not have the trigger-locking safety device that is standard on many handguns.


    Hours later, a man called the York Police Department asking about the gun. He accurately described the gun to police officials and explained that he had left it in the last stall in the men’s room. He was informed that he could pick up the weapon during business hours on Monday, a police spokesperson told the Herald.


    Currently, no charges have been filed in the incident.
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    Missouri woman fears boyfriend’s gun so she gives it to brother, who shoots a 4-year-old

    A 22-year-old Kansas City man was accused of accidentally shooting a 4-year-old boy this week after his sister gave him a gun because she feared that her boyfriend might do something “stupid” with it.


    KCTV reported that the sister of Delaney R. Singleton told police that she gave her boyfriend’s handgun to her brother because “she thought he was going to do something stupid.”


    Singleton said that he had taken the gun into the bathroom to unload it when it discharged.


    “I don’t know, it fell on the floor and went off,” he explained, according to court records.


    Police determined that the bullet traveled through the bathroom door, and then into a bedroom, where it hit the 4-year-old child in the lower back. None of the other children in the bedroom were harmed.


    The child was reportedly in critical but stable condition at a local hospital, but the bullet remained lodged in his abdominal area.


    Although Singleton initially fled the scene and tried to hide the weapon, he later admitted his involvement in the shooting, court documents said.


    “I feel bad for the baby because he’s an innocent baby and also for the person that got charged because it was an accident as well,” neighbor Shay Johnson told KCTV. “But that’s why guns shouldn’t be around kids.”


    Prosecutors had requested that Singleton be held on $50,000 bond. They also requested the special conditions that he not be allowed to possess a firearm, and that he undergo mandatory drug testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M4MPetCock View Post
    Now, if only the "Gun laws! Gun laws! And mo' gun laws!" libtard politicians and their equally libtard followers would pay attention to that one statement. Unfortunately, they'll find some stupid reason to dismiss it.
    Studies: Stand Your Ground Laws Lead To More Homicides, Don't Deter Crime

    Homicides increase under the "castle doctrine" or Stand Your Ground laws, according to two studies published since 2012, while the laws do not appear to deter crime in any significant way.


    Researchers at Georgia State and Texas A&M universities used different methodologies and data sources to reach their conclusions, but they ended up in the same place: More people are killed after these laws are passed.



    Researchers at Texas A&M University, for a study published in the Journal of Human Resources, concluded that homicides had increased by 8 percent in the more than 20 states that had passed "castle doctrine" laws, many of which include Stand Your Ground provisions. That equals 600 additional homicides every year in those states, they wrote.


    At the same time, however, the researchers found no detectable decrease in burglary, robbery or aggravated assault.


    "Collectively, these findings suggest that incentives do matter in one important sense: lowering the threshold for the justified use of lethal force results in more of it," the authors concluded in the report. "On the other hand, there is also a limit to the power of incentives, as criminals are apparently not deterred when victims are empowered to use lethal force to protect themselves."


    As the Texas A&M researchers noted in that 2013 study, their findings aligned with those of a 2012 study published by Georgia State University on Stand Your Ground laws.


    The Georgia State researchers found that homicides in states with those laws increased by 7.1 percent. In particular, they detected an increase in homicides among white males, while the effect was mostly negligible among white females and blacks.


    "Whether or not these killings should be considered justified in this case is beyond the purpose of this paper," they wrote. "However, it cannot be argued that the SYG laws are saving the lives of innocent people in this scenario as these individuals would not have been killed in the first place."


    So were these increases in homicides made up entirely of justified homicides allowed under the new laws? Both studies were inconclusive, but the authors seemed doubtful. The Georgia State study noted that substituting assailants for innocents didn't account for the increase. The Texas A&M analysis concluded it was "unlikely, albeit not impossible."


    The two sets of researchers relied on different data and methods to analyze these trends. The Texas A&M study relied on state-level crime data, covering the years 2000 to 2010, from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. The Georgia State analysis used the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Vital Statistics data.


    In different ways, they attempted to control for other factors. The Texas A&M study compared their findings to states that did not adopt these laws and whether adopting states had already diverged in their homicide rates. The Georgia State analysis contrasted Stand Your Ground states with others with more restrictive laws. It also notably found that Stand Your Ground laws did not lead to a greater prevalence of guns.


    The studies have faced some criticism from conservative media, which focused on the studies' chosen data sources and methodology. For more details, read the Texas A&M and Georgie State studies in full.
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    18 Little-Known Gun Facts That Prove That Guns Make Us Safer


    #1 Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and “other crimes with firearms” are down 69 percent.

    #2 A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy discovered that nations that have more guns tend to have less crime.

    #3 The nine European nations with the lowest rate of gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate that is three times greater than the nine European nation with the highest rate of gun ownership.

    #4 Almost every mass shooting that has occurred in the United States since 1950 has taken place in a state with strict gun control laws…


    With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings.

    #5 The United States is #1 in the world in gun ownership, and yet it is only 28th in the world in gun murders per 100,000 people.

    #6 The violent crime rate in the United States actually fell from 757.7 per 100,000 in 1992 to 386.3 per 100,000 in 2011. During that same time period, the murder rate fell from 9.3 per 100,000 to 4.7 per 100,000.

    #7 Approximately 200,000 women in the United States use guns to protect themselves against sexual crime every single year.

    #8 Overall, guns in the United States are used 80 times more often to prevent crime than they are to take lives.

    #9 The number of unintentional fatalities due to firearms declined by 58 percent between 1991 and 2011.

    #10 Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK?

    #11 The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

    #12 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

    #13 The UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU.

    #14 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

    #15 Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted.

    #16 The city of Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the United States. So has this reduced crime? Of course not. As I wrote about recently, the murder rate in Chicago was about 17 percent higher in 2012 than it was in 2011, and Chicago is now considered to be “the deadliest global city“. If you can believe it, there were about as many murders in Chicago during 2012 as there was in the entire nation of Japan.

    #17 After the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring every home to have a gun, the crime rate dropped by more than 50 percent over the course of the next 23 years and there was an 89% decline in burglaries.

    #18 According to Gun Owners of America, the governments of the world slaughtered more than 170 million of their own people during the 20th century. The vast majority of those people had been disarmed by their own governments prior to being slaughtered.

    Sadly, you rarely hear any facts like these on the mainstream news networks. Instead, they give countless amounts of air time to the radicals that are obsessed with gun control.

    And did you know that there is now an official propaganda manual that has been put out for gun control advocates? This manual actually encourages gun control advocates to emotionally exploit major shooting incidents to advance the cause of gun control…


    Democratic strategists have drafted a how-to manual on manipulating the public’s emotions toward gun control in the aftermath of a major shooting.

    “A high-profile gun-violence incident temporarily draws more people into the conversation about gun violence,” asserts the guide. “We should rely on emotionally powerful language, feelings and images to bring home the terrible impact of gun violence.”

    The 80-page document titled “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging,” also urges gun-control advocates use images of frightening-looking guns and shooting scenes to make their point.

    “The most powerful time to communicate is when concern and emotions are running at their peak,” the guide insists. “The debate over gun violence in America is periodically punctuated by high-profile gun violence incidents including Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson, the Trayvon Martin killing, Aurora and Oak Creek. When an incident such as these attracts sustained media attention, it creates a unique climate for our communications efforts.”

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    And yet criminals have access to guns... Either that is because they have stolen those weapons, in which case the owners of those weapons are not reporting this thefts. Or, there are dealers who are skirting the laws and selling to criminals illegally... Or maybe there are straw buyers...

    It isn't that I don't like people having guns (despite what you and yours want my opinion to be), I just want there to be methods of tracking the ownership of them. "But... But... But, that would mean registration! You just want to take my guns."


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    18 Little-Known Gun Facts That Prove That Guns Make Us Safer


    #1 Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and “other crimes with firearms” are down 69 percent.

    #2 A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy discovered that nations that have more guns tend to have less crime.

    #3 The nine European nations with the lowest rate of gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate that is three times greater than the nine European nation with the highest rate of gun ownership.

    #4 Almost every mass shooting that has occurred in the United States since 1950 has taken place in a state with strict gun control laws…


    With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings.

    #5 The United States is #1 in the world in gun ownership, and yet it is only 28th in the world in gun murders per 100,000 people.

    #6 The violent crime rate in the United States actually fell from 757.7 per 100,000 in 1992 to 386.3 per 100,000 in 2011. During that same time period, the murder rate fell from 9.3 per 100,000 to 4.7 per 100,000.

    #7 Approximately 200,000 women in the United States use guns to protect themselves against sexual crime every single year.

    #8 Overall, guns in the United States are used 80 times more often to prevent crime than they are to take lives.

    #9 The number of unintentional fatalities due to firearms declined by 58 percent between 1991 and 2011.

    #10 Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK?

    #11 The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

    #12 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

    #13 The UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU.

    #14 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

    #15 Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted.

    #16 The city of Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the United States. So has this reduced crime? Of course not. As I wrote about recently, the murder rate in Chicago was about 17 percent higher in 2012 than it was in 2011, and Chicago is now considered to be “the deadliest global city“. If you can believe it, there were about as many murders in Chicago during 2012 as there was in the entire nation of Japan.

    #17 After the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring every home to have a gun, the crime rate dropped by more than 50 percent over the course of the next 23 years and there was an 89% decline in burglaries.

    #18 According to Gun Owners of America, the governments of the world slaughtered more than 170 million of their own people during the 20th century. The vast majority of those people had been disarmed by their own governments prior to being slaughtered.

    Sadly, you rarely hear any facts like these on the mainstream news networks. Instead, they give countless amounts of air time to the radicals that are obsessed with gun control.

    And did you know that there is now an official propaganda manual that has been put out for gun control advocates? This manual actually encourages gun control advocates to emotionally exploit major shooting incidents to advance the cause of gun control…


    Democratic strategists have drafted a how-to manual on manipulating the public’s emotions toward gun control in the aftermath of a major shooting.

    “A high-profile gun-violence incident temporarily draws more people into the conversation about gun violence,” asserts the guide. “We should rely on emotionally powerful language, feelings and images to bring home the terrible impact of gun violence.”

    The 80-page document titled “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging,” also urges gun-control advocates use images of frightening-looking guns and shooting scenes to make their point.

    “The most powerful time to communicate is when concern and emotions are running at their peak,” the guide insists. “The debate over gun violence in America is periodically punctuated by high-profile gun violence incidents including Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson, the Trayvon Martin killing, Aurora and Oak Creek. When an incident such as these attracts sustained media attention, it creates a unique climate for our communications efforts.”

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    New York gun range in business for 73 years forced to close

    A New York gun range has been forced to close its doors after more than 70 years in business, following a bitter dispute with its neighbors over noise and safety issues.

    The Westchester Police Revolver and Rifle League, in Greenburgh, a nonprofit open-air range dating to the 1940s, was targeted by neighbors who wanted the facility closed, CBS New York reported.
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    CHICAGO NEWS
    Not a single gun shop can be found in this city because they are outlawed. Handguns were banned in Chicago for decades, too, until 2010, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that was going too far, leading city leaders to settle for restrictions some describe as the closest they could get legally to a ban without a ban. Despite a continuing legal fight, Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

    And yet Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year and at least 40 killings already in 2014, including a fatal shooting of a 15-year-old girl on Tuesday.
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    Man Charged With Killing Friend During Botched Test Of Bulletproof Vest

    A Maryland man was charged with first- and second-degree murder last week after he shot and killed a friend while the two were testing a bulletproof vest, according to the Baltimore Sun.


    Early Wednesday morning, Darnell Mitchell, Mark Ramiro (pictured) and another friend decided to film themselves testing a bulletproof vest in the basement of a Westport, Md. home.



    According to video tape reviewed by Baltimore police, Mitchell put on the vest, looked into the camera and said he was ready to take a "deuce deuce in the chest."


    Ramiro missed Mitchell's vest and instead shot him with a .22 caliber handgun.


    Ramiro and the third person rushed to help Mitchell, and drove him to the hospital. Mitchell was declared dead a few minutes after they got to the hospital, according to police.


    Officers were then called to the hospital and obtained a warrant for the video tape that captured the incident, according to the Baltimore Sun.


    A spokesman for the Maryland attorney, Mark Cheshire, told the Baltimore Sun that prosecutors originally sought a second-degree murder charge, and the court commissioner later added the first-degree charge.


    In May, a South Carolina man died after a friend allegedly missed his bulletproof vest while testing the body armor. Taylor Ann Kelly was charged with involuntary manslaughter after the incident.
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    St. Louis Dad Kills Man Holding Daughter At Gunpoint: Cops



    A St. Louis father shot and killed a man who'd allegedly put a gun to his 17-year-old daughter's head during an apparent home invasion.

    The 34-year-old was visiting his daughter and her mother at their home around 11 p.m. Monday when the teenager went outside to her car, KTVI reports. Outside, two masked men, later identified as 31-year-old Terrell Johnson and 33-year-old Cortez McClinton, allegedly grabbed her and put a gun to her head, forcing her back into her home.

    The girl's father grabbed a firearm and shot at the men, killing Johnson and wounding McClinton, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    “He was holding her hostage. She was a human shield. So I did what I had to do," the father told KTVI.

    The girl's mother also shot once at the suspects but missed.

    The teenage girl was uninjured.

    McClinton, who suffered wounds to the chest and thighs, is charged with second-degree murder, kidnapping, burglary and armed criminal action, according to CBS St. Louis. The murder charge is in relation to the death of Johnson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    i was not referring to you individually but society as a whole
    most people cannot see an inch beyond their own wills and even if they did they would refuse to accept that they have seen it

    we have groups like the NRA that believe that people on the terrorist watch list should be allowed to have a firearm http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...ght-guns-2010/
    and then we have the blind assed ban em all types
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    Since "i am" the NRA as well as many members of my family i have to take umbrage with your erroneous statement about "us". If you read even the full article that you presented you can clearly see it is not the attempt to thwart terrorists from acquiring firearms that "we" have the problem with. It is the slipshod approach of the list itself. Perfectly innocent law abiding Americans are on that list. "We" are also concerned with any restriction that puts such an egregious opportunity for misuse in the hands of politically motivated interests. As crazy nana; Pelosi has shown by her statement that every veteran has mental problems and should be denied access to guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Man Charged With Killing Friend During Botched Test Of Bulletproof Vest



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    This is not 1st or 2nd degree murder. This is a tragic accident. I have no ideal how you can miss the vest at such close range; so dude is a dumbass . But not a murderer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    what part of the 2nd amendment says that normal citizens have a right to full-automatic weapons?
    it does say that the freedoms of a well regulated militia cannot be infringed
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    and in the time that it was ratified only 1 group had been officially recognized as a "well regulated militia"
    and since there was no official army
    and only 1 group predates the nation
    it could be argued that all else are illegal


    oh and the 2nd was to the bill of rights idiot
    If you cannot understand what the 2nd amendment says. Go look up all the Federalist papers that our forefathers used to communicate what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It absolutely does allow for fully automatic weapons, as well as any other type weapon as our government or any other government might acquire in their designs to deny us our freedoms. It was intended to allow every able bodied man to be well versed in any number of firearms so if the need of a militia were to arise again, we would have many men at the ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badslutmommy View Post
    This is not 1st or 2nd degree murder. This is a tragic accident. I have no ideal how you can miss the vest at such close range; so dude is a dumbass . But not a murderer.
    Are you trying to reason with Stumbler??? Perhaps you should try to do something a little easier first. Like bringing peace to the Middle East....
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    Quote Originally Posted by badslutmommy View Post
    Since "i am" the NRA as well as many members of my family i have to take umbrage with your erroneous statement about "us". If you read even the full article that you presented you can clearly see it is not the attempt to thwart terrorists from acquiring firearms that "we" have the problem with. It is the slipshod approach of the list itself. Perfectly innocent law abiding Americans are on that list. "We" are also concerned with any restriction that puts such an egregious opportunity for misuse in the hands of politically motivated interests. As crazy nana; Pelosi has shown by her statement that every veteran has mental problems and should be denied access to guns.
    Could you please show one of these Pelosi quotes? I've not heard anything about such statements, and Google doesn't seem to cooperate tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_de_plume View Post
    Could you please show one of these Pelosi quotes? I've not heard anything about such statements, and Google doesn't seem to cooperate tonight.
    I don't know about old Botox Betty Pelosi, however Sen Dianne Feinstein (D. Cal.) has made statements with regards to PTSD and/or mental illness in Veterans and gun ownership...

    Feinstein, a staunch advocate of gun control who carries a concealed weapon herself wants to take that right away from pretty much every else....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS natureboy View Post
    I don't know about old Botox Betty Pelosi, however Sen Dianne Feinstein (D. Cal.) has made statements with regards to PTSD and/or mental illness in Veterans and gun ownership...

    Feinstein, a staunch advocate of gun control who carries a concealed weapon herself wants to take that right away from pretty much every else....
    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/04/twi...military-vets/

    She did not say what you think she said.
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    2) The Right of Terrorists on the US Watch List to Buy Guns

    After 9/11, the NRA couldn't wave the flag with more vigor than Bush and Cheney on uppers. Yet, the NRA got the then Attorney General John Ashcroft to prohibit the FBI and BATF from stopping the sale of guns to persons on the US terrorist watch list.

    As a 2010 ABC News report stated (and there is much more extensive coverage of this outrageous gun lobby support of possible terrorists buying and owning guns):

    An overwhelming number of individuals who are known to belong to a terrorist group or are on the U.S. terror watch list are being allowed to carry firearms and guns, according to a new Government Accountability Office report.

    From Feb. 2004 through Feb. 2010, FBI data shows that individuals on the U.S. terrorist watch list were involved in firearm or explosives background checks 1,225 times, according to the GAO. About 91 percent of the time, or 1,116 of these transactions were allowed to proceed because no prohibiting information was found, such as felony convictions, illegal immigrant status, or other disqualifying factors, and 109 of the transactions were denied.

    "Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the GAO report states. "However, for homeland security and other purposes, the FBI is notified when a firearm or explosives background check involves an individual on the terrorist watchlist."

    "We are simply not doing all we can to stop terrorists from buying guns," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.

    Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., introduced legislation last year to prohibit people on the terror watch list, or who are known to belong to a terrorist organization, from purchasing guns. The bill would authorize the attorney general to deny sale or transfer of firearms to known or suspected terrorists. But it has been struck down by gun rights advocates who said it would breach citizens' constitutional rights.

    Okay, if you are the so-called "responsible gun owner," what are you doing supporting the NRA's pressure that got Ashcroft to "protect the rights" of possible terrorists to buy guns, including the infamous .50 caliber sniper rifle that can shoot down airplanes taking off and landing or assassinate a public official from a mile away?

    If this is about "reasonable gun ownership" and not about a love affair with guns, why are the NRA groupies not giving the organization hell for putting the US in jeopardy?

    As a 2012 Palm Beach Post editorial noted: "People who are on the federal government’s terrorist watch list can’t fly on airplanes. But they can buy guns. Why? Because the National Rifle Association says denying them the right to buy guns is a denial of their Second Amendment rights."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgerunner View Post
    2) The Right of Terrorists on the US Watch List to Buy Guns

    After 9/11, the NRA couldn't wave the flag with more vigor than Bush and Cheney on uppers. Yet, the NRA got the then Attorney General John Ashcroft to prohibit the FBI and BATF from stopping the sale of guns to persons on the US terrorist watch list.

    As a 2010 ABC News report stated (and there is much more extensive coverage of this outrageous gun lobby support of possible terrorists buying and owning guns):

    An overwhelming number of individuals who are known to belong to a terrorist group or are on the U.S. terror watch list are being allowed to carry firearms and guns, according to a new Government Accountability Office report.

    From Feb. 2004 through Feb. 2010, FBI data shows that individuals on the U.S. terrorist watch list were involved in firearm or explosives background checks 1,225 times, according to the GAO. About 91 percent of the time, or 1,116 of these transactions were allowed to proceed because no prohibiting information was found, such as felony convictions, illegal immigrant status, or other disqualifying factors, and 109 of the transactions were denied.

    "Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the GAO report states. "However, for homeland security and other purposes, the FBI is notified when a firearm or explosives background check involves an individual on the terrorist watchlist."

    "We are simply not doing all we can to stop terrorists from buying guns," said Lieberman, a Connecticut independent.

    Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., introduced legislation last year to prohibit people on the terror watch list, or who are known to belong to a terrorist organization, from purchasing guns. The bill would authorize the attorney general to deny sale or transfer of firearms to known or suspected terrorists. But it has been struck down by gun rights advocates who said it would breach citizens' constitutional rights.

    Okay, if you are the so-called "responsible gun owner," what are you doing supporting the NRA's pressure that got Ashcroft to "protect the rights" of possible terrorists to buy guns, including the infamous .50 caliber sniper rifle that can shoot down airplanes taking off and landing or assassinate a public official from a mile away?

    If this is about "reasonable gun ownership" and not about a love affair with guns, why are the NRA groupies not giving the organization hell for putting the US in jeopardy?

    As a 2012 Palm Beach Post editorial noted: "People who are on the federal government’s terrorist watch list can’t fly on airplanes. But they can buy guns. Why? Because the National Rifle Association says denying them the right to buy guns is a denial of their Second Amendment rights."
    I know decorated tier 1 soldiers on the terrorist watch list. The list is a joke.
    I think anyone should be allowed to have a weapon. Including felons that have served their time, because if you can't trust them with a gun you shouldn't be letting them out of prison.


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    Personally, I think Americans should still have the right to own a gun, but possibly require further background checks to make sure they're not handing off such a dangerous weapon to someone with a violent past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kink-prince View Post
    Personally, I think Americans should still have the right to own a gun, but possibly require further background checks to make sure they're not handing off such a dangerous weapon to someone with a violent past.
    Sounds good and all, but we dont have a gun problem,, we have problems,,guns are not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace's n 8's View Post
    Sounds good and all, but we dont have a gun problem,, we have problems,,guns are not one of them.
    I think you need to watch the news more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Missouri woman fears boyfriend’s gun so she gives it to brother, who shoots a 4-year-old



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    maybe if the GF had not taken the gun in the first place then the 4yo would not have been shot by an idiot who don't know how to unload a weapon
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    Quote Originally Posted by kink-prince View Post
    I think you need to watch the news more.
    Ace is right. Guns are not a problem. It'smostly these young kids with absolutly ZERO respect for another human that have been coddled their whole lives by panzy assed parents.
    When I was growing up loaded guns were everywhere still are, I could drive into town right now open up any pickup truck door reach behind the seat and pull out at least a .22lr rifle usually a 5.56 or 30-06.
    The difference is we know better and raise kids better. I knew if I touched one of my dad's guns without his permission or a threat on my life by a intruder I WOULD get my ass beaten into the ground. I also knew how to use them safely and respect them at a early age I wasn't even knee high to a corn stalk when I was sat down and tought firearm safety and the rules.

    I'm not saying beat your kids people, I'm saying the fear of a good spanking straightens most out.


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    By themselves, guns do nothing, they wouldn't exist if it weren't for man. The problem is man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow walker View Post
    Ace is right. Guns are not a problem. It'smostly these young kids with absolutly ZERO respect for another human that have been coddled their whole lives by panzy assed parents.
    When I was growing up loaded guns were everywhere still are, I could drive into town right now open up any pickup truck door reach behind the seat and pull out at least a .22lr rifle usually a 5.56 or 30-06.
    The difference is we know better and raise kids better. I knew if I touched one of my dad's guns without his permission or a threat on my life by a intruder I WOULD get my ass beaten into the ground. I also knew how to use them safely and respect them at a early age I wasn't even knee high to a corn stalk when I was sat down and tought firearm safety and the rules.

    I'm not saying beat your kids people, I'm saying the fear of a good spanking straightens most out.
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    TX man shoots self hitching up shorts in store: ‘It’s dangerous to stick a gun in your pants’

    A Texas man was wounded Friday afternoon after accidentally shooting himself during a trip to a convenience store.


    Police said Jason Bryant, who held a concealed carry permit, went into the store in Orange, where the gun discharged as he pulled up his shorts, reported the Longview News-Journal.


    “He walked maybe six feet in the door when he pulled his shorts up, something caught the trigger and the gun discharged into his leg,” said Chief Jim Vanover, of Orange police. “People immediately rushed over to help.”


    Another customer fashioned a tourniquet from a belt by the time emergency crews arrived, and Bryant was taken to an area hospital for treatment.
    Vanover said the shooting could have been prevented by proper gun safety.


    “If you’re going to carry a gun it needs to be in a safe holster,” Vanover said. “It’s dangerous to stick a gun in your pants.”
    No one else was injured during the incident, which remains under investigation.


    Bryant has not been charged in the negligent discharge.
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