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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    The moral opinion inconsistencies demonstrated in this thread are awesome! Seems some folks like their freedom (as long as it's their freedom), yet are happy to applaud arbitrary control of somebody else's communication that tends to annoy them, and top it off by bemoaning the loss of some sort of "rights" that never existed here. Come on people, painting yourself into a hypocritical corner can't be that much fun, can it?
    Let's speed this debate up and get to the inevitable conclusion.

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    I think that sums up just about every free speech argument here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chagrin View Post
    Let's speed this debate up and get to the inevitable conclusion.

    *cue Yakity Sax*

    "Slippery slope!"
    "It'll never come to that!"
    "When the Nazis came for the Jews, I did not speak..."
    "Shut up! This is a porn forum!"
    "I got rights even here!"
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    "Fine! I will!" -doesn't leave-
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    "I hate the trolls on this site! I hope they get banned!"
    "Slippery slope!"

    etc.

    I think that sums up just about every free speech argument here
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyKnight View Post
    You know can leave anytime you want...I like the freedom also but spamming the word nigger every 20 posts and hate for black folks will kill this place faster than throwing a redneck white trash racist idiot out...
    Well I think it that was going to happen it would have already happened wouldn't it? Because we've always had racists and never censored or discriminated against them before.

    And as has been noted before it is the wide open uncensored environment that actually attracted most people to begin with.

    But now the question I have is when do I become a "red neck white trash racist idiot" and get thrown out because some moderator doesn't like what I post?
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    I think my only issue is that it really is in violation of the rules. I don't see the point of having rules if you're not going to enforce them.

    "- No stupid hateful posts though you are free to be harsh and even insulting if it is appropriate. We are all adults anyway right? we can handle it."

    If this guy's posts don't fall under the category of stupid and hateful I really don't know what does. And if you're not going to enforce that rule because you feel that having the freedom to say what ever you want is more important, then maybe you should go ahead and just remove that rule. Just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissSharon View Post
    I think my only issue is that it really is in violation of the rules. I don't see the point of having rules if you're not going to enforce them.

    "- No stupid hateful posts though you are free to be harsh and even insulting if it is appropriate. We are all adults anyway right? we can handle it."

    If this guy's posts don't fall under the category of stupid and hateful I really don't know what does. And if you're not going to enforce that rule because you feel that having the freedom to say what ever you want is more important, then maybe you should go ahead and just remove that rule. Just sayin'
    Really stupid and hateful? I thought they were more harsh and insulting.

    But you'll notice that's not the rule the god mod said she was acting under. She just invented her own definition of spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Really stupid and hateful? I thought they were more harsh and insulting.

    But you'll notice that's not the rule the god mod said she was acting under. She just invented her own definition of spam.
    That's one of the reasons that rule doesn't work well; seeing a post as "stupid and hateful" versus "harsh and insulting" is quite subjective. Which means that being offensive, on its surface, is not necessarily breaking the rules, but the intent behind it matters, and intent is notoriously difficult to tease out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Really stupid and hateful? I thought they were more harsh and insulting.

    But you'll notice that's not the rule the god mod said she was acting under. She just invented her own definition of spam.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chagrin View Post
    That's one of the reasons that rule doesn't work well; seeing a post as "stupid and hateful" versus "harsh and insulting" is quite subjective. Which means that being offensive, on its surface, is not necessarily breaking the rules, but the intent behind it matters, and intent is notoriously difficult to tease out.
    I think for the most part his posts are OBVIOUSLY hateful and stupid, but any one could argue they're not, just for the sake of arguing. I can't believe any one would think other wise, but that's another story. But my point is, if you're going to have a rule that you can't/won't enforce, maybe that rule should be removed.
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    At the end of the day we should be thankful that we have a forum where we can all voice an opinion. If that means putting up with bigots and racists, then so be it. At least we have the chance to confront them on their views, and put them under scrutiny. A free open forum is a beautiful thing.

    Lets not forget this is a private forum, the person who pays the bills sets the rules. The first amendment does not apply here. The first amendment only gives you the right to start your own form of forum where you can freely voice your opinion there. If the owner wanted to, they could take away our ability to express ourselves freely here.

    Liberty is what makes our country great. Freedom of speech, the market place of ideas and the freedom to scrutinize or criticize are the foundations of a democracy. It is one of the few things left where America leads the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DS1980 View Post

    Liberty is what makes our country great. Freedom of speech, the market place of ideas and the freedom to scrutinize or criticize are the foundations of a democracy. It is one of the few things left where America leads the world.

    Funny, I was in Texas 2 years ago outside on a public highway, I stopped and lit a cigarette, a policeman approached me and told me to put out my smoke as I was in a "No smoking area"

    I was outside, at least 40 yards away from the nearest building and there were no signs.

    I smiled and extinguished my cigarette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chagrin View Post
    That's one of the reasons that rule doesn't work well; seeing a post as "stupid and hateful" versus "harsh and insulting" is quite subjective. Which means that being offensive, on its surface, is not necessarily breaking the rules, but the intent behind it matters, and intent is notoriously difficult to tease out.
    Eliminating or changing that particular rule has been the topic of much discussion over the years but its never changed. But I do remember a couple instances in the past when mods have banned members or deleted posts and/or threads for being stupid and hateful just to have them reinstated by the admins at the time.

    That's why the moderators used to pretty much just let the forum free flow with no real interference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael saint View Post
    Funny, I was in Texas 2 years ago outside on a public highway, I stopped and lit a cigarette, a policeman approached me and told me to put out my smoke as I was in a "No smoking area"

    I was outside, at least 40 yards away from the nearest building and there were no signs.

    I smiled and extinguished my cigarette.

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    I thought my post were just fucking stupid. Didn't think anyone cared enough to report me. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by butt_snitch View Post
    I thought my post were just fucking stupid. Didn't think anyone cared enough to report me. LOL
    You'll be proud to know that some folks just can't help but respond to your type of infantile & ignorant trolling. Never fear, your schtick will always have an audience with the overly earnest, yet undisciplined internet moral warriors (making them almost as impotent as you seem to be). Congratulations on reaching the apex of your importance in life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    But now the question I have is when do I become a "red neck white trash racist idiot" and get thrown out because some moderator doesn't like what I post?
    when you get like that I will send the men in white coats out to your part of the woods to see if they can help you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissSharon View Post
    I think my only issue is that it really is in violation of the rules. I don't see the point of having rules if you're not going to enforce them.

    "- No stupid hateful posts though you are free to be harsh and even insulting if it is appropriate. We are all adults anyway right? we can handle it."

    If this guy's posts don't fall under the category of stupid and hateful I really don't know what does. And if you're not going to enforce that rule because you feel that having the freedom to say what ever you want is more important, then maybe you should go ahead and just remove that rule. Just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyKnight View Post
    when you get like that I will send the men in white coats out to your part of the woods to see if they can help you....
    Well no because if you really look at this thread and the posts on it the two things that remain constant is the definitions are variable from individual to individual and the actions taken are completely arbitrary and capricious.

    So as is the case on most other forums the "rules" only mean what the mods say they do, when they say them, depending on who they're talking to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Well no because if you really look at this thread and the posts on it the two things that remain constant is the definitions are variable from individual to individual and the actions taken are completely arbitrary and capricious.

    So as is the case on most other forums the "rules" only mean what the mods say they do, when they say them, depending on who they're talking to.
    You asked me the question not the entire thread...

    Come on don't act as dumb as butt itch to prove a point....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyKnight View Post
    You asked me the question not the entire thread...

    Come on don't act as dumb as butt itch to prove a point....
    Oh I don't think butt sock itch is dumb. He/she/it got exactly what he/she/it wanted which is sucker someone into censoring them. But as long as we're on the subject I even hold shit stirring socks in higher regard than I do mod gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Oh I don't think butt sock itch is dumb. He/she/it got exactly what he/she/it wanted which is sucker someone into censoring them. But as long as we're on the subject I even hold shit stirring socks in higher regard than I do mod gods.

    Some are held in higher regard than prolific posters here. No one was censored. Each and every post exists in this thread, in one location for easy access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Oh I don't think butt sock itch is dumb. He/she/it got exactly what he/she/it wanted which is sucker someone into censoring them. But as long as we're on the subject I even hold shit stirring socks in higher regard than I do mod gods.
    Oh, I think a lot of the stuff in this thread is for effect, which he got - as you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Oh I don't think butt sock itch is dumb. He/she/it got exactly what he/she/it wanted which is sucker someone into censoring them. But as long as we're on the subject I even hold shit stirring socks in higher regard than I do mod gods.
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    Stumbler, it's trash collecting rather than censoring in my opinion. Nothing wrong with that
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    I agree that having rules and never enforcing them is pretty dumb and pointless...I'm a white guy and I found his posts offensive at some points, some even downright pissing me off. I still say ban him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SummerRain View Post
    Oh, I think a lot of the stuff in this thread is for effect, which he got - as you said.
    I actually think at this point its just a sock fest.

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    Stumbler, it's trash collecting rather than censoring in my opinion. Nothing wrong with that
    So one person's trash is not another person's treasure after all?

    There's a separate reality here?

    And I bet if I had to power and went through the story section and slammed all one author's stories and comments into one long disjointed piece they would be screaming censorship and discrimination at the top of their lungs. Because of course what they write is treasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMorgh View Post
    I agree that having rules and never enforcing them is pretty dumb and pointless...I'm a white guy and I found his posts offensive at some points, some even downright pissing me off. I still say ban him.
    You're so undisciplined that the mindless ramblings of an obvious fool trigger that kind of emotion? Do you get angry when you pass a bag lady yelling at a lamp post? I'll bet you can muster the personal courage to just ignore this particular troll, yes?

    I'm glad you're not in charge. This place would look like 95% of the other forums in the web, full of homogeneous opinions and devoid of diversity or character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    You're so undisciplined that the mindless ramblings of an obvious fool trigger that kind of emotion? Do you get angry when you pass a bag lady yelling at a lamp post? I'll bet you can muster the personal courage to just ignore this particular troll, yes?

    I'm glad you're not in charge. This place would look like 95% of the other forums in the web, full of homogeneous opinions and devoid of diversity or character.
    Which I think its already showing.

    But other than that it also works so well.

    Take one look at the board and you can tell that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    I actually think at this point its just a sock fest.



    So one person's trash is not another person's treasure after all?

    There's a separate reality here?

    And I bet if I had to power and went through the story section and slammed all one author's stories and comments into one long disjointed piece they would be screaming censorship and discrimination at the top of their lungs. Because of course what they write is treasure.
    Subjectivity comes to mind, actually. I think he wrote a lot of offensive bla bla as you, yourself acknowledged and obviously a mod thought so too and consolidated it.

    I just might have done what that mod did. Of course, it would be after making a subjective call about what he wrote being trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Which I think its already showing.

    But other than that it also works so well.

    Take one look at the board and you can tell that.
    Ha! Don't get me started on your shenanigans in this, buddy Pouting about capricious and arbitrary behavior on the part of the mods as if there is an expectation of anything else . . . bah! You have no logical reason to expect a 'free and open' forum for discussion here, NONE - the fact that you attack the mods when they exercise any autonomy here is tiresome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    You're so undisciplined that the mindless ramblings of an obvious fool trigger that kind of emotion? Do you get angry when you pass a bag lady yelling at a lamp post? I'll bet you can muster the personal courage to just ignore this particular troll, yes?

    I'm glad you're not in charge. This place would look like 95% of the other forums in the web, full of homogeneous opinions and devoid of diversity or character.
    I've never come across a bag lady yelling at a lamp post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMorgh View Post
    I've never come across a bag lady yelling at a lamp post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SummerRain View Post
    Subjectivity comes to mind, actually. I think he wrote a lot of offensive bla bla as you, yourself acknowledged and obviously a mod thought so too and consolidated it.

    I just might have done what that mod did. Of course, it would be after making a subjective call about what he wrote being trash.
    But you see if a mod does not interfere in the first place than there's no subjectivity is there?

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    Ha! Don't get me started on your shenanigans in this, buddy Pouting about capricious and arbitrary behavior on the part of the mods as if there is an expectation of anything else . . . bah! You have no logical reason to expect a 'free and open' forum for discussion here, NONE - the fact that you attack the mods when they exercise any autonomy here is tiresome.

    Do you walk into other people's houses during dinnertime and make sure they're serving dinner the "right" way?
    Don't even start that tired old shit with me Old Tool because I go back on the arbitrary and capricious argument clear back to Chunky and never even once claimed I've got any rights here.

    But I damn sure do have my personal morals and crusades and have been very consistent about that.

    You're the one playing mugwump here.
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    Can I ask you what you think COULD or SHOULD get someone banned on this forum Stumbler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Don't even start that tired old shit with me Old Tool because I go back on the arbitrary and capricious argument clear back to Chunky and never even once claimed I've got any rights here.

    But I damn sure do have my personal morals and crusades and have been very consistent about that.

    You're the one playing mugwump here.
    Nobody made you post your tedious nonsense about the "mod gods" in this thread, you disingenuous turd Will you ever accept that the mods can do whatever the fuck they like (or can get away with ) and you are here of your own choice and not on the promise, or even the hint, that things will be the way you like them to be?

    Your protests aren't based on morality you poseur - they're the caterwauling of someone who isn't getting his way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    But you see if a mod does not interfere in the first place than there's no subjectivity is there?
    Yes, of course, but moderating is a subjective activity and we have moderators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    Nobody made you post your tedious nonsense about the "mod gods" in this thread, you disingenuous turd Will you ever accept that the mods can do whatever the fuck they like (or can get away with ) and you are here of your own choice and not on the promise, or even the hint, that things will be the way you like them to be?

    Your protests aren't based on morality you poseur - they're the caterwauling of someone who isn't getting his way.
    I think you're the one detached from reality aren't you Old Tool.

    Will you ever accept my right to protest it every time until the ban me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMorgh View Post
    Can I ask you what you think COULD or SHOULD get someone banned on this forum Stumbler?
    Yes you most certainty may ask me what I think someone could or should be banned for?

    Nothing; except those prohibited by law or used for unfair commercial presupposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    I think you're the one detached from reality aren't you Old Tool.

    Will you ever accept my right to protest it every time until the ban me?
    Of course - I love to watch you crawl up on your creaky old soapbox and make your usual self-aggrandizing noises whenever a mod twists your panties in a knot Why would I ever seek to stop that comedy?

    Just don't try to convince anyone you're operating from a higher moral place, because you certainly ain't. I'll stop critiquing your nonsense when you confess you're just a whiny little bitch about the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    Of course - I love to watch you crawl up on your creaky old soapbox and make your usual self-aggrandizing noises whenever a mod twists your panties in a knot Why would I ever seek to stop that comedy?

    Just don't try to convince anyone you're operating from a higher moral place, because you certainly ain't. I'll stop critiquing your nonsense when you confess you're just a whiny little bitch about the whole thing.
    I of course strongly disagree (for someone functioning on 10% battery) and will stand that moral ground here. It (this free flowing forum) was better before. Do you deny that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    (for someone functioning on 10% battery)
    Are you a robot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    I of course strongly disagree (for someone functioning on 10% battery) and will stand that moral ground here. It (this free flowing forum) was better before. Do you deny that?
    What do you mean by "better"? When was this "before" period? What is the basis for your supposedly morally superior position (other than the feeling you have that it ought to be a certain way)?

    If you truly had the courage of your convictions - and you were truly disatisified with the way this private forum operates - you'd go out and create your own community and apply your morally superior principles there. But, it's much easier to throw mud at other people's stuff.
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    not a robot...cyborg most likely lol
    I'm a trisexual, I'll try anything once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    What do you mean by "better"?
    More free flowing, less censored, little to no interference from the moderators.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool
    When was this "before" period?
    Before Smcaaphd, Eljs, and Jamie90 became moderators and then started playing mod gods deciding who and what is acceptable and what isn't as well as displaying favoritism towards some members and discrimination against others based on their own personal likes and dislikes,

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    What is the basis for your supposedly morally superior position (other than the feeling you have that it ought to be a certain way)?
    Being consistent in opposing censorship, favoritism, and discrimination here as well as out there in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool
    If you truly had the courage of your convictions - and you were truly disatisified with the way this private forum operates - you'd go out and create your own community and apply your morally superior principles there. But, it's much easier to throw mud at other people's stuff.
    Oh I think its very worthwhile to point out the favoritism and discrimination that's going on right here as well as pointing out that wasn't the way it always was and a hope it doesn't get any worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Tool View Post
    The moral opinion inconsistencies demonstrated in this thread are awesome! Seems some folks like their freedom (as long as it's their freedom), yet are happy to applaud arbitrary control of somebody else's communication that tends to annoy them, and top it off by bemoaning the loss of some sort of "rights" that never existed here. Come on people, painting yourself into a hypocritical corner can't be that much fun, can it?
    And now its your turn isn't Old Tool.

    Which are you doing here praising freedom or applauding arbitrary control of somebody else's communications?

    It sure seems like you're trying to play all sides at once here to me.

    So which is better; freedom or arbitrary control?

    Isn't this statement by nature hypocritical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissSharon View Post
    I think my only issue is that it really is in violation of the rules. I don't see the point of having rules if you're not going to enforce them.

    "- No stupid hateful posts though you are free to be harsh and even insulting if it is appropriate. We are all adults anyway right? we can handle it."

    If this guy's posts don't fall under the category of stupid and hateful I really don't know what does. And if you're not going to enforce that rule because you feel that having the freedom to say what ever you want is more important, then maybe you should go ahead and just remove that rule. Just sayin'
    How's the tea cosy going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumbler View Post
    Before Smcaaphd, Eljs, and Jamie90 became moderators and then started playing mod gods deciding who and what is acceptable and what isn't as well as displaying favoritism towards some members and discrimination against others based on their own personal likes and dislikes.
    Care to cite any examples?
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