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    If a woman is raped, and she is held down or whatever, and she orgasms from the sex can that cause pyscological stress from the fact that she may think she enjoyed it?
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    Yes it can. There is a tendency for survivors of rape to feel guilty, or to try to take responsibility for what happened to them. If they have had an orgasm this tendency can be intensified, particularly in cases of male rape survivors.
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    Of course men are raped too, let's not forget that.

    Many of them get erections while being raped and this causes similar issues.
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    Rape is a traumatic act of violence.
    I seriously doubt that rape victims have orgasms.
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    I don't have any idea in regard to the violent rape at the hands of a stranger. According to research I have done, many females report having strong orgasms while being raped (penetrated or eaten out) by their fathers or older brothers. Those females report great guilt as a result of this. There was a book called "My Father's House" where a Canadian girl of fourteen reported great emotional turmoil and guilt as (when her mother left for work) her father would call her into his room and then have intercourse with her in her mother's bed. She reported severe revulsion during the act but would reach orgasm as he came inside of her. She reported that she felt as if she was nothing more than his receptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog_WOOF View Post
    Rape is a traumatic act of violence.
    I seriously doubt that rape victims have orgasms.
    It happens far more frequently than you'd imagine. I have some reservations about posting the following as there are many issues with the study mentioned, however it is one of the latest studies into the psychology of rape survivors.


    BOSTON - A new study to be published in next month's Journal of Clinical Psychiatry is causing controversy in the psychiatric community for some of its unexpected findings. The study, titled "Shame and Guilt in the Aftermath of Sexual Attack", verifies much of what we know about the mental health of rape victims. However, one observation in particular is raising eyebrows. After analyzing the anonymous transcripts of over 5,000 post-rape counseling sessions, the authors point out that almost all female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack.

    Asked for comment, Dr. Herschel Liebowitz, one of the authors of the study, said, "Millions of years of evolution has hard-wired women to be attracted to strong, dominant, and aggressive men. Unfortunately, rapists exhibit an extreme form of these characteristics, even if only temporarily, and this causes an unexpected and involuntary physiological response in the victim."

    Researchers focused on the psychiatric impact of this involuntary response. "Rape victims in general tend to experience an overwhelming sense of shame and guilt", noted Dr. Liebowitz. "This study finds that the guilt is not a result of the attack necessarily, but rather her own response to the attack. Intellectually, she is disgusted at being violated by an anonymous attacker. But physically, her body seems to have welcomed the attack in the form of sexual climax or orgasm. We believe this contradiction in feelings is the primary source of their shame and guilt."

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    Rape is an ugly word....I prefer the term "unwilling sperm recipient". I know, I'm goin to hell for that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    almost all female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack
    Something like that should not become mainstream knowledge as it will only give an excuse for the rapist.
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    Most certainly yes.

    In fact my Mother was raped (I was the result) I always remember her telling me tat she felt like a terrible person but she never elaborated and she is not open to counselling etc but I always wonder if her guilt may have stemmed from the fact that perhaps she may have orgasmed during it.

    But yeah many woman (and men who are also raped) do become aroused and/or orgasm so it must put the mind into great turmoil. Horrendous how one's own body can betray you that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken_Dog View Post
    Something like that should not become mainstream knowledge as it will only give an excuse for the rapist.
    not true, I am a man and never been raped

    but if I was tied to a bed and a group of men started jerking my dick (I am hetero not gay)

    I know for a fact that I would reach orgasm

    its just the stimulation
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    It happens far more frequently than you'd imagine. I have some reservations about posting the following as there are many issues with the study mentioned, however it is one of the latest studies into the psychology of rape survivors.


    BOSTON - A new study to be published in next month's Journal of Clinical Psychiatry is causing controversy in the psychiatric community for some of its unexpected findings. The study, titled "Shame and Guilt in the Aftermath of Sexual Attack", verifies much of what we know about the mental health of rape victims. However, one observation in particular is raising eyebrows. After analyzing the anonymous transcripts of over 5,000 post-rape counseling sessions, the authors point out that almost all female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack.

    Asked for comment, Dr. Herschel Liebowitz, one of the authors of the study, said, "Millions of years of evolution has hard-wired women to be attracted to strong, dominant, and aggressive men. Unfortunately, rapists exhibit an extreme form of these characteristics, even if only temporarily, and this causes an unexpected and involuntary physiological response in the victim."

    Researchers focused on the psychiatric impact of this involuntary response. "Rape victims in general tend to experience an overwhelming sense of shame and guilt", noted Dr. Liebowitz. "This study finds that the guilt is not a result of the attack necessarily, but rather her own response to the attack. Intellectually, she is disgusted at being violated by an anonymous attacker. But physically, her body seems to have welcomed the attack in the form of sexual climax or orgasm. We believe this contradiction in feelings is the primary source of their shame and guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken_Dog View Post
    Something like that should not become mainstream knowledge as it will only give an excuse for the rapist.
    Sorry, it already is mainstream knowledge. Nothing excuses rape, certainly not an involuntary physical response to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itiswhatitis View Post
    I see Y U did not want 2 post this ......... However... knowledge is power... RIGHT?
    ....and this is or will be available to all on the NET.... Lets hope your good intent helps some....
    The reasons I didn't want to post it are due to the inherent flaws in the study itself rather than any controversy caused by the findings. The group surveyed are not a representative sample - they are women who have chosen to take up the offer of counselling sessions. I would expect to see higher than normal levels of guilt and mental trauma in such a group, and it stands to reason that you'd see higher than average levels of orgasm in this particular group. The study itself is also wooly on the issue of what constitutes orgasm, so I think some of the figures it reaches are overstated.

    That said I think it's extremely helpful for rape survivors to know that their experiences are not unique, that they are (for want of a better word) normal, and that they have absolutely nothing to feel guilty or ashamed of. If the study helps spread that message then more power to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    Yes it can. There is a tendency for survivors of rape to feel guilty, or to try to take responsibility for what happened to them. If they have had an orgasm this tendency can be intensified, particularly in cases of male rape survivors.
    Women (and men) have to be assured that it isn't their fault. Their bodies are designed to experience pleasure. It is nature's response to an overload of feelings that are sexual in nature.

    Because a person decides to force their will and gets what it is they sought from their victim, the victims have the displeasure of harboring guilt. Guilt due to their bodies having worked against them and in their minds encouraged the wrongful stimulation until it reached its culmination. Falsely, it leaves their attacker with the impression of having been victorious in causing their victim to enjoy being raped.

    This is where the majority of complexes are formed. One's individual discernment to deny another person's advances if they don't feel apt to be receptive of them, being coerced into accepting their attacker sexually against their will, and without their consent experiencing sexual pleasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog_WOOF View Post
    Rape is a traumatic act of violence.
    I seriously doubt that rape victims have orgasms.
    Moron! Friction is all that is required to provoke orgasm.

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    not true, I am a man and never been raped

    but if I was tied to a bed and a group of men started jerking my dick (I am hetero not gay)

    I know for a fact that I would reach orgasm

    its just the stimulation
    Interesting how you manage to sanitize your understanding of rape. Victims do not have that luxury.

    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    That said I think it's extremely helpful for rape survivors to know that their experiences are not unique, that they are (for want of a better word) normal, and that they have absolutely nothing to feel guilty or ashamed of. If the study helps spread that message then more power to it!
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    Women (and men) have to be assured that it isn't their fault. Their bodies are designed to experience pleasure. It is nature's response to an overload of feelings that are sexual in nature.

    Because a person decides to force their will and gets what it is they sought from their victim, the victims have the displeasure of harboring guilt. Guilt due to their bodies having worked against them and in their minds encouraged the wrongful stimulation until it reached its culmination. Falsely, it leaves their attacker with the impression of having been victorious in causing their victim to enjoy being raped.

    This is where the majority of complexes are formed. One's individual discernment to deny another person's advances if they don't feel apt to be receptive of them, being coerced into accepting their attacker sexually against their will, and without their consent experiencing sexual pleasure.
    Sexual pleasure and orgasm are not the same thing.

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    I think this is a very interesting topic and have learned quite a bit I never knew before.

    Women and men who have experienced a rape by any forced means should be shown compassion and sensitivity. The human body was designed to orgasm, but it can definitely do a number on one's psyche if it was caused in a negative situation and them having to bear the added burden of feeling guilty about how their body responded when it wasn't their fault is to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog_WOOF View Post
    Rape is a traumatic act of violence.
    I seriously doubt that rape victims have orgasms.

    About 25% of victims have arousal and 15% have arousal to the point of orgasm. This is the figures I learned in my sexual psychology and gender studies class when I got my first degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    Sorry, it already is mainstream knowledge. Nothing excuses rape, certainly not an involuntary physical response to it.
    Well that's a shame because it should of been kept a secret. With potential rapists now knowing that it's actually common to be able to take complete control of their victims bodies it will only urge them on to commit the act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken_Dog View Post
    Well that's a shame because it should of been kept a secret. With potential rapists now knowing that it's actually common to be able to take complete control of their victims bodies it will only urge them on to commit the act.
    Seriously?
    You'd prefer that a rape survivor who has experienced orgasm not be aware of how common it is, and as well as all the guilt and shame they experience after the rape, have to cope with the added burden of believing there was something wrong with them for being the only person ever to orgasm during a rape?

    Do you honestly believe that a rapist would be motivated by the thought of giving their victim an orgasm?

    I'm trying my hardest not to be sarcastic here, but seriously, is that what you think?
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    Most certainly yes.

    In fact my Mother was raped (I was the result) I always remember her telling me tat she felt like a terrible person but she never elaborated and she is not open to counselling etc but I always wonder if her guilt may have stemmed from the fact that perhaps she may have orgasmed during it.

    But yeah many woman (and men who are also raped) do become aroused and/or orgasm so it must put the mind into great turmoil. Horrendous how one's own body can betray you that way.
    one of my aunts, was raped around the time, either when i was unborn
    or born. her boyfriend and a friend, ( i think two ) raped her. her boyfriend
    said to her, he was going to have sex with her, and his two friends.

    she told him no. ( not sure, if she consented with the boyfriend ).
    anyway, after her boyfriend had sex ( or raped her ), he ( or they )
    held her down, while the two friends had sex with her.

    not sure, what took place after that. but, a cousin a year younger me,
    was the product of that rape. i am not sure if he knows or not.
    but, he did know who this father was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    Seriously?
    You'd prefer that a rape survivor who has experienced orgasm not be aware of how common it is, and as well as all the guilt and shame they experience after the rape, have to cope with the added burden of believing there was something wrong with them for being the only person ever to orgasm during a rape?

    Do you honestly believe that a rapist would be motivated by the thought of giving their victim an orgasm?

    I'm trying my hardest not to be sarcastic here, but seriously, is that what you think?
    I would prefer it if it wasn't wide spread information. If a rape survivor is receiving treatment then obviously this should be shared with them as it would only help them sort out their thoughts. It's true though this doesn't help people who refuse counseling though... Which is why I'm guessing your going to hate my view on this.
    Honestly yes, forcing their victim to have a orgasm against their will sounds to me like a new level of power trip. We all hear that rape isn't about sex but control and what better way to show your control over someone then to make them lose their bodily functions?
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    Apologies if this answer is rather rambling, it is approaching 2am here and I'm in dire need of sleep but wanted to answer your point before I log out.

    The idea that he may possibly give his victim an orgasm will never be enough to motivate a man to rape. If the involuntary physiological response to the rape (ie the involuntary orgasm) is kept secret then the rapist may very well believe that every victim has enjoyed their ordeal - something that will surely encourage him to continue to rape.

    If you follow the Groth typology then yes, it is true that the most common type of rape in both the UK and USA is the power rape. Sadly studies of rapists are relatively rare, but the few studies that exist show the majority of power rapists believe their victims, while needing to be coerced initially, come to enjoy the rape.

    The majority of power rapists believe their victims reach orgasm, even in cases where the victims have confirmed in later interviews they were not aroused at any point in their ordeal and did not orgasm.

    This skewed perception on the part of the rapist is surely only exacerbated if we withold the information that orgasm may well occur during a rape but it is entirely unrelated to sexual pleasure and is not a rare occurence. If the power rapist believes that it is impossible for a woman to orgasm during a rape, yet his victim orgasms, then surely to him that would indicate that he wasn't raping her but was having consensual sex. After all, look how much she enjoyed it.

    The best course of action is to disseminate the information we have as widely as possible.
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    And let's not forget it IS a crime of violence perpetrated on an innocent person or child and if someone did that to me or one of my loved ones, I certainly wouldn't feel guilty for wanting to kill the sonofabitch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinskin View Post
    Sexual pleasure and orgasm are not the same thing.
    Pleasure is relative to one's point of view. From the rapists, his victim experienced pleasure. From the victim's, it was nothing but a physical reaction to stimuli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheltenham View Post
    Pleasure is relative to one's point of view. From the rapists, his victim experienced pleasure. From the victim's, it was nothing but a physical reaction to stimuli.
    I don't really give a fuck about the rapist's point of view!

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    Apologies if this answer is rather rambling, it is approaching 2am here and I'm in dire need of sleep but wanted to answer your point before I log out.

    The idea that he may possibly give his victim an orgasm will never be enough to motivate a man to rape. If the involuntary physiological response to the rape (ie the involuntary orgasm) is kept secret then the rapist may very well believe that every victim has enjoyed their ordeal - something that will surely encourage him to continue to rape.

    If you follow the Groth typology then yes, it is true that the most common type of rape in both the UK and USA is the power rape. Sadly studies of rapists are relatively rare, but the few studies that exist show the majority of power rapists believe their victims, while needing to be coerced initially, come to enjoy the rape.

    The majority of power rapists believe their victims reach orgasm, even in cases where the victims have confirmed in later interviews they were not aroused at any point in their ordeal and did not orgasm.

    This skewed perception on the part of the rapist is surely only exacerbated if we withold the information that orgasm may well occur during a rape but it is entirely unrelated to sexual pleasure and is not a rare occurence. If the power rapist believes that it is impossible for a woman to orgasm during a rape, yet his victim orgasms, then surely to him that would indicate that he wasn't raping her but was having consensual sex. After all, look how much she enjoyed it.

    The best course of action is to disseminate the information we have as widely as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinskin View Post
    I don't really give a fuck about the rapist's point of view!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheltenham View Post
    Then why critique my post when you don't care about its context?
    In your first post you failed to distinguish between sexual pleasure and orgasm.

    It is precisely that failure, that is one of the causes of much of the psychological damage suffered by many rape victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    BOSTON - A new study to be published in next month's Journal of Clinical Psychiatry is causing controversy in the psychiatric community for some of its unexpected findings. The study, titled "Shame and Guilt in the Aftermath of Sexual Attack", verifies much of what we know about the mental health of rape victims. However, one observation in particular is raising eyebrows. After analyzing the anonymous transcripts of over 5,000 post-rape counseling sessions, the authors point out that almost all female rape victims experience orgasm during the attack.

    Asked for comment, Dr. Herschel Liebowitz, one of the authors of the study, said, "Millions of years of evolution has hard-wired women to be attracted to strong, dominant, and aggressive men. Unfortunately, rapists exhibit an extreme form of these characteristics, even if only temporarily, and this causes an unexpected and involuntary physiological response in the victim."

    Researchers focused on the psychiatric impact of this involuntary response. "Rape victims in general tend to experience an overwhelming sense of shame and guilt", noted Dr. Liebowitz. "This study finds that the guilt is not a result of the attack necessarily, but rather her own response to the attack. Intellectually, she is disgusted at being violated by an anonymous attacker. But physically, her body seems to have welcomed the attack in the form of sexual climax or orgasm. We believe this contradiction in feelings is the primary source of their shame and guilt."

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    Well first off, yes, women sometimes orgasm from either the physical manipulation or the extreme stress.......Yes, if they orgasm it makes it dramatically more violated in the regard that they feel betrayed by their own body....

    Yet NO........"Almost All female rape victims experience orgasm" is a load of crap, stated deliberately vaguely to simply promote the agenda of the balance of the paper.....That is an irresponsible BS statement. The controversy no doubt coming from the poor research and a self promoting quack.

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    Well first off, yes, women sometimes orgasm from either the physical manipulation or the extreme stress.......Yes, if they orgasm it makes it dramatically more violated in the regard that they feel betrayed by their own body....

    Yet NO........"Almost All female rape victims experience orgasm" is a load of crap, stated deliberately vaguely to simply promote the agenda of the balance of the paper.....That is an irresponsible BS statement. The controversy no doubt coming from the poor research and a self promoting quack.

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    Really? Are you privy to the contents of the paper, or, are you just stating your unfounded opinion?
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    and yet you're attacking the study without any form of evidence to back it? where's YOUR research?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahorsewithnoname View Post
    Really? Are you privy to the contents of the paper, or, are you just stating your unfounded opinion?
    How about having been raped more often then you have probably had sex.....How about having discussed rape with hundreds of other rape victims in graphic detail....How about having had some of the leading psychologists, sociologists, mental/emotional trauma specialists having sat down with me in a week long session to discuss my experiences with them....How about 17 years of in depth study about sexuality, torture, slavery, sexual violence and rape to understand the first thirty years of my own life.

    How about you get smart and challenge someone less experienced and less educated on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    How about having been raped more often then you have probably had sex.....How about having discussed rape with hundreds of other rape victims in graphic detail....How about having had some of the leading psychologists, sociologists, mental/emotional trauma specialists having sat down with me in a week long session to discuss my experiences with them....How about 17 years of in depth study about sexuality, torture, slavery, sexual violence and rape to understand the first thirty years of my own life.

    How about you get smart and challenge someone less experienced and less educated on the subject.

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    With all the troll-like posts you make, with all the overstatements you make, with the bated signature block...you expect people to surmise or believe you, on a porn site, using an alias, where everyone lies, cheats and if they could, steal...please? Even if part of what you say is true...you have such a shitty attitude that you make it so that no one WANTS to believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousscouser View Post
    The reasons I didn't want to post it are due to the inherent flaws in the study itself rather than any controversy caused by the findings. The group surveyed are not a representative sample - they are women who have chosen to take up the offer of counselling sessions. I would expect to see higher than normal levels of guilt and mental trauma in such a group, and it stands to reason that you'd see higher than average levels of orgasm in this particular group. The study itself is also wooly on the issue of what constitutes orgasm, so I think some of the figures it reaches are overstated.

    That said I think it's extremely helpful for rape survivors to know that their experiences are not unique, that they are (for want of a better word) normal, and that they have absolutely nothing to feel guilty or ashamed of. If the study helps spread that message then more power to it!
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    Personnelly I doubt the % but that is just me....

    What I don't like is this opens the door in many mens minds ... giving them that little extra something in their heads to go ahead with a rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahorsewithnoname View Post
    With all the troll-like posts you make, with all the overstatements you make, with the bated signature block...you expect people to surmise or believe you, on a porn site, using an alias, where everyone lies, cheats and if they could, steal...please? Even if part of what you say is true...you have such a shitty attitude that you make it so that no one WANTS to believe you.
    On the contrary. It explains a whole lot. As far as I'm concerned she gets a get out of jail free card. I was molested by my babysitter, AND her bastard son I was a kid. I act pretty normal for the most part but you have NO IDEA how it affects you until it happens to you. I get unusually angry, and sometimes violent when I see somebody being bullied.

    I have noticed her "shitty attitude" as you put it also but in light of this it's understandable. Doesn't make it ok, but at least there's a reason.


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    How about having been raped more often then you have probably had sex.....How about having discussed rape with hundreds of other rape victims in graphic detail....How about having had some of the leading psychologists, sociologists, mental/emotional trauma specialists having sat down with me in a week long session to discuss my experiences with them....How about 17 years of in depth study about sexuality, torture, slavery, sexual violence and rape to understand the first thirty years of my own life.

    How about you get smart and challenge someone less experienced and less educated on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cumwithus View Post
    Disclaimer: I think this is the worst thing to do to a person second only to child molastation
    I would think murder would be a little worse....as to your question, yes it happens but whatever damage it may or may not cause having an "involuntary" orgasm to their rapist is really up to the victim and their psycologicol, and/or emotional make-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hush View Post
    Well first off, yes, women sometimes orgasm from either the physical manipulation or the extreme stress.......Yes, if they orgasm it makes it dramatically more violated in the regard that they feel betrayed by their own body....

    Yet NO........"Almost All female rape victims experience orgasm" is a load of crap, stated deliberately vaguely to simply promote the agenda of the balance of the paper.....That is an irresponsible BS statement. The controversy no doubt coming from the poor research and a self promoting quack.

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    I do agree with you and have already said that I find the figure they come up with (in the full paper they claim that up to 90% of women orgasm) is wildly overstated. I have already explained my issues with the research, the representative group they chose and the rather woolly way they are looking at orgasm.

    The point of posting the story was that it was the most recent study into the subject (the most recent that I was aware of, at any rate) with which I could challenge Baddog's assertion that no rape victims have orgasm.
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    Did anyone even click the link looking for that study's source?

    Broken link. Not posted on any news site.

    Check the Journal of Clinical Psychology. Never published a study with that title.

    Dr. Herchel Liebowitz - no one in the field with that name. No one spells Leibowitz with the 'i' before 'e' anyway.

    Reposting something that is so obviously made up, with such a ridiculous claim/agenda is reckless. And then prefacing it with "I really shouldn't be posting this"

    edit: but if you have a legitimate source, go ahead and link it. You act like you've read the study, although peer-reviewed journal databases aren't showing it. I think it is bullshit.
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    Apologies for the broken link, I can assure you I have read the study and will try to find a working link this evening when I'm not posting from my mobile.
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    This has been interesting, and a number of points stand out. Some rape victims do orgasm. Orgasm is a physical response to stimulation; therefore out of control of the victim. The result is that they feel guilty. They are psychologically scarred. Some victims recover better than others. Basically, it is indescribable for the victims of these monsters.

    There are more points that have been raised, but they are the ones that stood out to me.

    So, we have the facts. Rapists will continue to exist - but what should be done with them? In the UK, the law protects the guilty because our politicians are a bunch of gutless buffoons who do not wish to offend anyone, and pander to minorities; consequently, rapists walk free after a number of years, supposedly rehabilitated. I'm sure there's someone from the UK who knows more about the law than I do, so please tell us. Also, what about the US and Australia?

    For me, either bring back the death penalty, or castrate them without anaesthesia - and keep them locked away. Hanging is cheaper, though. Why should my taxes pay to keep a rapist alive?

    All I know is that there is too much law and not enough justice!


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    My respects, sympathy and empathy to all survivors who have posted. These types of threads should include triggering warnings because they can arouse real turmoil in many victims. I for one did not sleep well last night.

    It is a shame that we have turned upon each other over frequency because that is not the real issue. I think we can all agree that a significant number of rape and sexual abuse victims never report their abuse or seek treatment. That fact alone makes a lot of psychological studies prone to error, nevertheless anything that helps victims come forward and seek help must be a good thing as it will reduce such error and promote understanding of the complex issues victims and survivors are faced with.

    I would urge all victims to seek help from trained professionals. I know in my case it took 4 years of therapy to bring my PTSD under control. What my therapy provided was, not a cure, but tools to manage my trauma, shame, guilt, anger and rage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinskin View Post
    My respects, sympathy and empathy to all survivors who have posted. These types of threads should include triggering warnings because they can arouse real turmoil in many victims. I for one did not sleep well last night.

    It is a shame that we have turned upon each other over frequency because that is not the real issue. I think we can all agree that a significant number of rape and sexual abuse victims never report their abuse or seek treatment. That fact alone makes a lot of psychological studies prone to error, nevertheless anything that helps victims come forward and seek help must be a good thing as it will reduce such error and promote understanding of the complex issues victims and survivors are faced with.

    I would urge all victims to seek help from trained professionals. I know in my case it took 4 years of therapy to bring my PTSD under control. What my therapy provided was, not a cure, but tools to manage my trauma, shame, guilt, anger and rage.

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    I've read a study on women having orgasms during rape and even posted on this forum about it.

    The material I read dealt with the post traumatic stress of rape and how to manage counselling. The rape victim experiencing orgasm is one of the key points that need to be delt with ( I don't know if I've worded that very well).

    It also suggested an orgasm may be one of the reasons rape often goes unreported.

    You have to seperate physical response from consent. When a woman is raped her vagina will almost certainly produce enough lubricant to allow penetration. In no way does this mean she is willing or enjoying the act it's just an involuntry physical response and reaction to prevent damage.

    If an orgasm occurs during rape it is also an involuntry physical response and probably a left over primative instinct like clammy hands or sleep paralysis. It in no way indicates willing or consent.

    If the very subject is so hard to talk about on a sex forum imagine how difficult it is for the victim to admit it happened and re-build their lives.
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    So you guys seem pretty knowledgeable, I have a question for you guys


    The past few girls I've been with have been victims of rape or molestation when they are younger..why is it now that they seem to want to re-enact the event..for example all of them, all 4, wanted to be hit, choked, and treated like shit, talked down to, talked down to themselves, basically acted like completely trashy whores which I thought was awesome, but then I started realizing there is something behind all of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH420 View Post
    So you guys seem pretty knowledgeable, I have a question for you guys


    The past few girls I've been with have been victims of rape or molestation when they are younger..why is it now that they seem to want to re-enact the event..for example all of them, all 4, wanted to be hit, choked, and treated like shit, talked down to, talked down to themselves, basically acted like completely trashy whores which I thought was awesome, but then I started realizing there is something behind all of this.
    This is a very complex question but I will have a go. I am not a professional therapist but rather a victim of childhood rape and sexual abuse.

    Firstly, you should realise that there is a chasm of difference between asking a partner to act out a sexual fantasy and being raped. I would say that it was a measure of how much these girls trusted you that they were able to ask for this and the fact that they asked means it was a consensual act so they were not re-living the experience. In their eyes the fact that it was a consensual act allowed them to experience it and perhaps analyze, study and enjoy it in ways that they usually could not.

    I would guess that they asked for it a few times before you learned of their history?

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    I have a female friend that was raped by her father and three brothers regularly, since that time she can only reach orgasm by being raped. She has attempted to do rape role play, but knowing she is not actually being raped, she does not get off. She now goes out of her way to dress and act as slutty as she can in hopes of luring guys to take her by force. She always hates herself afterwards but the desire to be raped just keeps getting stronger. On the occasions when we have been together it starts out just being friends having dinner or just being together. I can tell by her body language that she is wanting to be taken, so I do my best to just attack her when she least expects it; this kinda works for her, but not enough to give her what she needs.
    A few weeks ago, I took it to another level. I got a couple guys to come with me and went to her house just after she had got home from work, knocked on the door and as soon as she opened it we took her. She fought and screamed and came all over our cocks as we used her as the fuck hole she needs to be.
    I wish she could have a normal relationship, but unless she is raped, she gets no real pleasure from sex.
    NO, I do not condone this type of activity, I am just trying to help a friend and she knew that it would happen, just not when or how!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinskin View Post
    This is a very complex question but I will have a go. I am not a professional therapist but rather a victim of childhood rape and sexual abuse.

    Firstly, you should realise that there is a chasm of difference between asking a partner to act out a sexual fantasy and being raped. I would say that it was a measure of how much these girls trusted you that they were able to ask for this and the fact that they asked means it was a consensual act so they were not re-living the experience. In their eyes the fact that it was a consensual act allowed them to experience it and perhaps analyze, study and enjoy it in ways that they usually could not.

    I would guess that they asked for it a few times before you learned of their history?

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    Well how it happened was like this..

    At first she did not want to have sex at all, once we hung out more she opened up...then when we started having sex she kept calling me daddy, which instantly set off the trigger in my brain "ok..something has happened here"....she would tell me it hurt, but not to stop, just grab her hair and go harder..then she would tell me to hit her and pretty much act out the scene.

    She never specifically said "have sex with me like you are raping me", but the things she asked me to do are pretty much the same things...I no longer talk to this person anymore..since that last message some crazy things went down..she quite possibly is mentally insane...but eh what can ya do. I just found it shocking 3 girls in a row were like this.
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