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    Just wondering if this hurts the child in the long run?
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    I'm no authority on this subject but my personal opinion is that you can't make any generalized statement that fits every child or even most children who have been subjected to incest. It could depend a lot on the particular circumstances surrounding the incestuous acts. Did the child participate willingly or was the child forced into it? Did it result in a pregnancy? Was there any physical or emotional abuse involved? How old was the child when it took place and how long did it continue?

    I'm sure some individuals get over it with little or no baggage while others continue to remain damaged for a lifetime.
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    I would honestly say this depends on the person and whether or not they can accept it and move on. From my point of view as a man that was subjected to incest as an early age, I have considered it a learning experience. It has though sparked my interest in incestual acts as an adult.
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    My middle sister Monica was the first girl I saw naked, touched. 69 and fucked. The 2nd girl was my youngest sister after the middle one told me when I could catch them two sucking each others tit and pussy. It was a beautiful show seeing them both naked pleasuring each other. A few night my youngest sister came to my room after everyone was asleep. She told me told me the 1st sis told her I taught her about sex and now wanted me to tell her and I did.
    She was a natural cock sucker and swallower. The kids we knew had a rumor floating around that girls got bigger tits from swallowing cum. I don't know how it started or if there was any truth to it but I did get many great blowjobs and both my sisters got about 38D tits but so does mom.

    When both sister and I were all playing whenever we got chance was good. Then the best came when our parents started doing Friday night bingo. The three of us would all get naked and have the greatest 3some I ever had. My two sister started competing for my cock and cum. To this day the greatest pleasure I ever had was seeing both their mouths on my cock at the same time sucking it and swallowing the last drop of cum.

    Monica and I still get together when we can.

    I would say NO
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    I would say it would depend on the following,

    age of child
    sex of child
    who was the abuser/ adult
    did the child ever have thoughts before said act occurred,

    I say this because I had some adults, and some older kids do things to me
    that I have no bad feelings toward, but I was a very horny kid at a real young age.
    And I think I loved every minute of it.
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    I have been involved in incest since I was 12 and it hasn't harmed me, or any of my incest partners. However, I am not stupid enough to think it hasn't harmed anyone. I think it depends on how it is approached, the childs age, and several other factors.
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    Incest- Does it do permanent harm?
    Just wondering if this hurts the child in the long run?
    ......
    the question is rather flawed isn't it
    This is clearly illustrated in the difference between the heading and the content.
    One is to general ,the other not specific enough.

    Looking at the two questions actually posed it appears the question is probably directed at the subject of children involved with adults in incestuous activity.
    But,
    it is not clear,
    so no clear answer can be given.

    So,
    how old is a child ?
    pre puberty , pre teen , pre age of consent ?
    then ;
    What about children of similar ages exploreing thier mutual interest in thier sexuality ?
    just experimenting.
    Then,
    at what age variation dose it become abuse , wether it is by mutual consent or not ?
    for example,
    What about a girl who develops early , say begins her puberty at ten and experiments with an older brother of say sixteen , compared with a girl who hasn't begun puberty , dose it make a difference ?
    Ah,
    I give up on that ,
    soooo many variables.

    Then the thorny one ,
    between 'adults' and children or teens .
    Well again there are just to many variables and to many questions.
    Who initiated What ?
    Was there any coercion , manipulation , force , or subterfuge ?
    and by who ?
    mmmm
    again I'm gonna give up before I start ,
    but here's two examples ;
    A long term friend and ex gf/fb , developed early , had tits at ten , and was sexually active at ten , at the age of twelve , got into bed with her father one night when mum away.
    She was wearing a skimpy nighty and knickers , no bra with large c cup boobs.
    Took her own panties off , and basically seduced her dad , and he submitted , gave in , whatever you like to call it. By the time they got out of bed in the morning he'd blown three loads up her .
    She loved it , and had/has no apparent 'damage.'
    another;
    a lady I met in her late thirties.
    At age nine volunteered to have sex with her older brother and several of his mates,
    obviously years older and into thier puberty.
    She loved it , loved haveing them fuck her and them shooting in her , and loved haveing cum leaking out of her.
    No apparent 'damage'.
    So the only conclusion I could realistically come to , is that it is not nescassarilly the incest that is inherantly damaging.
    While much , and possably most dose cause some harm , clearly not all dose
    We will never know how much either way , because so much goes unreported and undocumented .

    And we haven't even touched on all adult incest.

    Then , in a forum like this where there is so much absolute bullshit , fantasy and fake , the whole subject is so totally distorted that you can't really take any of this to seriously anyway.
    So the above is a very long rant that is probably just another waste of space.

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    I agree. It goes on a case-by-case basis. I have a female cousin whom I'd fool around with once very few years during family reunions. We started when we were 12, first making out, and eventually carried out into sex. The last time we did anything we were 21. The following time I would see her she'd be married already.

    Were there long-term repercussions? No. We get along perfectly well, despite the fact that her PARENTS FOUND OUT. I still have a good relationship with her parents (of course, it helped I didn't visit them for a few years after they found out).

    An ex-friend I was very close to let me in on her deepest darkest secret: She had sex relationship with her father. Her parents split when she was a baby and her father moved, so she'd only see him a few times a year. He started raping her when she was 10. After puberty, he started visiting a lot more often, only to have his way with her. Little did I know I once had sex with her during a weekend her father was visiting; I got the sloppy seconds. Were there long-term repercussions then? Yes, but not because of the 'rape' issue, but because there was love involved. We see shows on TV where victims of rape come out and speak openly, and often they were raped by family members. However, many refuse to acknowledge that they liked it, making the definition of 'rape' not quite clear.

    However, I think in her case, I don't think it was rape for long. It is my strong belief that she is in love with her father. More generally, she's in love with the idea of a father. I had sex with her after she told me I was like a father to her because I was always there for her (I'm only 3 years older though). Daddy role play was our favorite, and it wasn't until later she told me about her and her father. By then everything made sense. She went on to make decisions that revolved around her father, in the same manner than any woman would make when deeply in love.

    My take on incest, in a nutshell, is it's ok when it's consensual amongst family members with similar levels of emotional intelligence. Had her father started 'raping' her at a later age, I don't think the repercussion would be as bad, if there were to be any. I think parent-child is the most dangerous type of incest.
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    If the incest is wanted and not forced, then I don't believe it does. I know several friends who have had relations with brothers and father's who are functioning better than most people. two sisters who have been sleeping with their father since they were 14, one is not 28 and the other 25, are actually very very smart and in the scientific field. the older is a college professor and the younger is working in a lab. the people I know that were talked into an incest relationship do seem to be a bit troubled from it. so I think its just like everything else. if its something both parties want to engage in, then things should most likely turn out OK, but make someone do what they don't want to do, and they have a good chance of having issues down the road.
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    Incest between an adult and a person under the age of consent is considered a form of child sexual abuse[38][39] that has been shown to be one of the most extreme forms of childhood abuse, often resulting in serious and long-term psychological trauma, especially in the case of parental incest.[40] Prevalence is difficult to generalize, but research has estimated 10–15% of the general population as having at least one such sexual contact, with less than 2% involving intercourse or attempted intercourse.[41] Among women, research has yielded estimates as high as 20%.[40]

    Father-daughter incest was for many years the most commonly reported and studied form of incest.[42][43] More recently, studies have suggested that sibling incest, particularly older brothers having sexual relations with younger siblings, is the most common form of incest,[44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52] with some studies finding sibling incest occurring more frequently than other forms of incest.[53] Some studies suggest that adolescent perpetrators of sibling abuse choose younger victims, abuse victims over a lengthier period, use violence more frequently and severely than adult perpetrators, and that sibling abuse has a higher rate of penetrative acts than father or stepfather incest, with father and older brother incest resulting in greater reported distress than stepfather incest.[54][55][56]
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    A certain amount of sexual exploration and teasing may be safe, especially if the girl takes the initiative with her brother. Sexual intercourse is more likely to be dangerous.

    Coercive sex with any female of any age is always immoral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xnasty View Post
    My middle sister Monica was the first girl I saw naked, touched. 69 and fucked. The 2nd girl was my youngest sister after the middle one told me when I could catch them two sucking each others tit and pussy. It was a beautiful show seeing them both naked pleasuring each other. A few night my youngest sister came to my room after everyone was asleep. She told me told me the 1st sis told her I taught her about sex and now wanted me to tell her and I did.
    She was a natural cock sucker and swallower. The kids we knew had a rumor floating around that girls got bigger tits from swallowing cum. I don't know how it started or if there was any truth to it but I did get many great blowjobs and both my sisters got about 38D tits but so does mom.

    When both sister and I were all playing whenever we got chance was good. Then the best came when our parents started doing Friday night bingo. The three of us would all get naked and have the greatest 3some I ever had. My two sister started competing for my cock and cum. To this day the greatest pleasure I ever had was seeing both their mouths on my cock at the same time sucking it and swallowing the last drop of cum.

    Monica and I still get together when we can.

    I would say NO
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    In my experience, no.
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    In similar aged people,12-14 or older where both parties actively want to I say probably not. Any case of a grown adult,especially a parent,and a prepubescent child is going to be a problem, for the child.
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    Well I think it really depends on when they become sexually active, this can include masturbation. I would also say it depends on their sex drive, even kids have this like adults in varying degrees, not dependant on age, gender or degree of previous experience. Lastly I would say its how they themselves regard sex, maybe influenced directly by their parents (sex education, chats about the birds and the bees) indirectly by their peers or third parties ie school, religious beliefs.

    But all in all its probably down to their first experience was it pleasurable, loving, fun, scary, forced, consensual.

    The danger is we can see the need of a child for love and the excuse as an adult to provide this in an adult way ie sex. This really isn't the way as I see it, brother, sister experimentation is one thing, son and daughter???? mmmm don;t think so
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinksuede View Post
    Just wondering if this hurts the child in the long run?
    Hands down, Yes! I've worked with molested children in my training early on for teaching self defence, worked with them during my time with W.O.A.R. (Women Organized Against Rape) Have had girlfriends who's early abuse was apparent during our sexual interactions and had a lover who's child was quite confused as to what her role as a young girl of 11 was that she acted out (dangerously)with young boys and even grown men! Rape of any kind damages and shades a woman's future for the rest of her life if the therapy is not there immediately and unfortunately it goes unnoticed and unreported far too often!
    Before worrying if He or She will cheat determine what you could be doing to change that and fix it, rather then fixating on it!
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    Agreed Milo. I'm married to proof. She was never offered help then and now it does little to no good. Her step-father got off free.
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    I never have been involved with incest directly, but what strikes me is that if the two family members are similar age and they both agree, the issue is straightforward - no harm done,

    But if it is between an adult and a child - that seems likely to be dangerous - even if it is the younger person doing the inviting.

    I have chatted with some people who are obviously affected directly and in very negative ways, even if they don't see it. As a much older male I love to imagine being with a younger woman, but not under 18. And I feel the issue is even more of a problem when the partner is in the family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinksuede View Post
    Just wondering if this hurts the child in the long run?
    DEPENDS

    everyone is different. as Charlie Creamer says,

    " it can be dangerous, if the child is young and inviting ".

    i have to DISAGREE with that, to a certain point. i wanted my
    MOM & 2 of my AUNTS at a very early age. i would say about age 8/9
    with one of them.

    the other, wasn't until i was about 11/12 of age. as i got older, the lustful
    fantasies grew more & more. ( not sure why ). they ( the fantasies )
    would grow more EXPLICIT.

    the first aunt, is 17 years older than me. second one is 11 years older
    than me. it just kind of happened. i think, it has to do with do with
    being themselves. expressing themselves by, wearing lingerie around the
    house when i/we were young.

    just be very curious of the human body. whether it be clothe, undies, or
    partial/totally naked. plus, being EXPOSED and being given PORN at an
    early age too.

    the first aunt, had no problem in undressing in front of me or her own
    children. let alone, had no problem in us viewing porn around her either.
    as long as, we put it up or, turned off when company came to the house.

    i/we had soft porn to hardcore porn to our leisure. magazines, books, &
    movies too. amateur to professional at that. now the second aunt, didn't
    expose i/us to porn.

    in fact, it was me who was around her somewhat more, than my other
    cousins. ( not sure why that was )

    anyway, there was one time ( i think ), where she had undress in front of
    me down to her bra & panties. she made no attempted to cover herself
    up or, go into the other room to other clothes on.

    she felt comfortable around me like that. i was 15/16 when she did that.
    it was a heatwave that summer, and the apartment was hot. so, she turned off all the lights to make it cooler, and turned on her fan.

    the only light on was, from the t.v. set, and the light illuminating off the
    wall behind me & outward to the living room. she walked several times
    back & forth in front of me too.

    about 2 years ago, she had press her breasts into my back twice, while
    having dinner over her house. she had her very first grandchild over, along
    with her 3 son's & ex-husband.

    her ex-husband, was seeing his grandchild for the very first time.
    she did it twice, without anyone being aware at that.

    if i had gotten the chance to, fuck the second aunt, i doubt very
    seriously there would be any damage from that. if anything, i would probably would want it more than anything.

    the way i see it, it was an invitation ( inviting ), to see whether or not,
    do you like what you see ?.

    the first aunt, was just being herself. i tried to establish a relationship
    with her, by being open. but, she wasn't having it. even though, she she
    was comfortable in undressing in front of me in her bedroom, or in her
    bathroom, with the door wide open.

    she too, would undress down to her bra & panties, put on some
    sweat pants & a t-shirt.

    AGAIN, every child is different.
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    Consenting adults? NO... everyone knows the score. (We hope)

    Curious teens asking questions? NO. Who better to teach you how your body is supposed to work and the do's and donts about sex?

    You learn the sex basics from your parrents. Why should you let some misguided jerk/slut show you whe rest? Sometimes the sex isnt that great with on of thoes misguided teens. Snd it ends up hurting or turning you off to sex. And thats a tragic too.


    Parrent and a youth who's body isnt ready and isnt completely understanding of the situation? That's rape. And its EXTREMELY WRONG!!


    But thats just my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yikes_Run!! View Post
    Consenting adults? NO... everyone knows the score. (We hope)

    Curious teens asking questions? NO. Who better to teach you how your body is supposed to work and the do's and donts about sex?

    You learn the sex basics from your parrents. Why should you let some misguided jerk/slut show you whe rest? Sometimes the sex isnt that great with on of thoes misguided teens. Snd it ends up hurting or turning you off to sex. And thats a tragic too.


    Parrent and a youth who's body isnt ready and isnt completely understanding of the situation? That's rape. And its EXTREMELY WRONG!!


    But thats just my opinion

    not understanding the first sentence.

    explain more please.

    so basicly, ( if i am correct ) on this matter.

    if a " underage son ", wants his mom, aunt, to be his first, and the
    " underage son " makes/takes the " INITIATIVE ", than he is wrong ?.

    or, is the mother or aunt is wrong, for giving in to the son or nephew
    fantasies/urges ?.

    i don't see any " coercion " in this at all. just a fantasy to hope to come
    true, for lots of boys/men from past to present.

    i don't see how that can be a harmful, if the son/nephew wants to play
    it out like a porn movie, or be DISCREET LOVERS.

    until, one of the two, decides to find other ( or another lover ) besides a
    relative & maybe get married at that.
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    not understanding the first sentence.

    explain more please.

    so basicly, ( if i am correct ) on this matter.

    if a " underage son ", wants his mom, aunt, to be his first, and the
    " underage son " makes/takes the " INITIATIVE ", than he is wrong ?.

    or, is the mother or aunt is wrong, for giving in to the son or nephew
    fantasies/urges ?.

    i don't see any " coercion " in this at all. just a fantasy to hope to come
    true, for lots of boys/men from past to present.

    i don't see how that can be a harmful, if the son/nephew wants to play
    it out like a porn movie, or be DISCREET LOVERS.

    oh sorry... When you have two adults that have a direct blood link and they are both interested in having a sexual event.. siblings, parrent/child, cousins. etc) I dont see that it should be a problem. Or why it would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krait View Post
    not understanding the first sentence.

    explain more please.

    so basicly, ( if i am correct ) on this matter.

    if a " underage son ", wants his mom, aunt, to be his first, and the
    " underage son " makes/takes the " INITIATIVE ", than he is wrong ?.

    or, is the mother or aunt is wrong, for giving in to the son or nephew
    fantasies/urges ?.

    i don't see any " coercion " in this at all. just a fantasy to hope to come
    true, for lots of boys/men from past to present.

    i don't see how that can be a harmful, if the son/nephew wants to play
    it out like a porn movie, or be DISCREET LOVERS.

    until, one of the two, decides to find other ( or another lover ) besides a
    relative & maybe get married at that.
    If an "underage child" takes the initiative it's curiosity which the older more mature aunt, uncle, mother or father should use as a building block for explaining "why" it would be wrong and not encourage a seduction (molestation) of any "underage" child by any means! The bond between them (aunt, uncle, mother or father) unlike two cousins or siblings close to age that "play house" sends mixed signals that confuse a child's perception of trust and boundaries that's proven in studies (lots of them) case in point? The woman that seduced me when I was 15 was 35 and Theresa's oldest child Sandy was molested by her uncle when she was 9 and was around 11 when I started fooling around with Theresa. One day when she was sitting on my lap she placed her hand on my crotch in a sexual way with a seducing smile on her face, I stopped her and didn't make a big deal out of it but, did make Theresa aware and she handled it as the therapist had told her direct and understanding. Sandy was led to believe that "touching" like that showed your love for a man, her therapist warned Theresa that most likely she would either act out like a whore or could possibly hate men? The prior became her reality of a girl who's future was tarnished by one selfish act of a predator she was told she could trust something to think about Please, Milo
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    Sex is a beautiful thing, whoever you do it with. But the post-sex scenerio is the crux of the matter. Usually, in India boys and girls are kept separately and they are tutored in such a manner that sex is certainly not the one thing they should indulge in.

    So, when you get into the ring and taste sex with your sister or brother, a sense of guilt develops into you that would refuse to go away. That you have committed a sin, that you have blemished your sister/brother, that you have acted against family tradition and the like will never go away from your mind.

    Continuing incest sex for long periods is out of question. May be spurred by momentary lust, after perhaps watching some one making love, such incidents might take place. But rarely girls would consent to continue for fear of getting caught / mental agony / family values, etc.

    I would rather have it treated as an accident than a joy ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navya ayyar View Post
    Sex is a beautiful thing, whoever you do it with. But the post-sex scenerio is the crux of the matter. Usually, in India boys and girls are kept separately and they are tutored in such a manner that sex is certainly not the one thing they should indulge in.

    So, when you get into the ring and taste sex with your sister or brother, a sense of guilt develops into you that would refuse to go away. That you have committed a sin, that you have blemished your sister/brother, that you have acted against family tradition and the like will never go away from your mind.

    Continuing incest sex for long periods is out of question. May be spurred by momentary lust, after perhaps watching some one making love, such incidents might take place. But rarely girls would consent to continue for fear of getting caught / mental agony / family values, etc.

    I would rather have it treated as an accident than a joy ride.
    Well said and although America may have seemed to fall like Sodom and Gomorrah we too have a value system that's followed on right thoughts and actions. With the freedoms we're afforded we still have those who will justify their trespasses if only to sooth their troubled minds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Cronos View Post
    Hands down, Yes! I've worked with molested children in my training early on for teaching self defence, worked with them during my time with W.O.A.R. (Women Organized Against Rape) Have had girlfriends who's early abuse was apparent during our sexual interactions and had a lover who's child was quite confused as to what her role as a young girl of 11 was that she acted out (dangerously)with young boys and even grown men! Rape of any kind damages and shades a woman's future for the rest of her life if the therapy is not there immediately and unfortunately it goes unnoticed and unreported far too often!
    As the reasoned and sexually experienced voice of the forum Milo, why do you continually refer to rape and sexual abuse victims as female? Believe me the damage is just as severe, if not more so, when the victim is a young boy.

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    As the reasoned and sexually experienced voice of the forum Milo, why do you continually refer to rape and sexual abuse victims as female? Believe me the damage is just as severe, if not more so, when the victim is a young boy.

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    Probably because the stereotypical image of a victim is female... some people just go with using one gender when they do mean both. A teacher I had did that all the time, would be talking about something hypothetical and use male examples all the time. Someone called the teacher out on it and they explained that for them it was easier to say "He" than "He and/or She".
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    Probably because the stereotypical image of a victim is female... some people just go with using one gender when they do mean both. A teacher I had did that all the time, would be talking about something hypothetical and use male examples all the time. Someone called the teacher out on it and they explained that for them it was easier to say "He" than "He and/or She".
    One can just say one!

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    One can just say one!

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    They can but not everyone can think to say "one".
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    They can but not everyone can think to say "one".
    Perhaps if people thought more in general........some of the damage could be averted.

    Enough of pronouns I think.

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    I have been thinking a lot about this since I first read the original post. Didn't want to reply on just a knee-jerk reaction.

    I feel real life incest does do permanent harm but let me explain.

    First, we will use an under-aged child (non teen) and adult. It's a power thing. If you have raised your children right, they trust you and will not question you if you tell them something is good and okay. That is a betrayal of trust. If a father fornicates with a young female or male at this young developmental age, it can seriously damage their body.
    Okay FG, I get what you are saying, but what if it's the mother?
    Still a trust and mis-use of power. Think of it this way. We are shaped by our experiences as children, correct. If your mother acted in a way other than a mother at this stage, it messes up that dynamic. Mothers and Fathers are to be guides in their child's life.
    Yes, I just want to guide them. I don't wish to hurt them. I just want them to know I love them and sex is good.
    That is called "grooming" the child. Even if you don't touch them inappropriately or have them touch you, it's still the same thing. Some of you consider yourself "good parents". If some stranger was doing what you are thinking to do, you would likely get them arrested or kill them. Why? Because this is your baby, no one preys on your baby. Remember that when your cute kid is making a stirring in your pants. Damages? Physical and Psychological.

    Moving on, let's say it's now teen (over twelve under eighteen) and adult. Again... power issue. You are the parent, your teen is looking to you for guidance and wisdom.
    I am just teaching them the birds and the bees.
    There are other ways to teach it than by having sex with your kid. Get out an encyclopedia, pamphlet from the doctor, or sock puppets... or even your kids old discarded Barbie or GI Joe. No need to give them intimate carnal knowledge.
    But if there's grass on the field, play ball.
    No. Even if your child has hit puberty, their bodies are STILL growing as are their minds. I hit puberty at 8, by 10 I had hair on my mound and breasts that made 14 year old girls jealous. By the time I was 12, my body looked 18 due to my figure. But I wasn't 18... I was 12. I was still a little kid with little kid thoughts, I was interested in the new feelings I had from the hormones but thanks to my step-mom, I knew I wasn't ready for sex. I wasn't ready for the risk of pregnancy, or the risk of STD's.... I just wanted to pass Math and History ... and date but nothing more serious than kissing and over the clothes stuff. One boy though, didn't take no as an answer and thanks to him, I am sterile. He damaged me inside but I went off topic. Your child doesn't need to be taught sex like that.
    Alright, I hear what you are saying. But what if they initiate it or are curious?
    No... you are the parent or guardian. Be the grown up and tell them why it's not appropriate. Explain about the legal issues, explain about their bodies and minds not being right, explain! Damage? Physical and Psychological.

    Now we are getting to my grey area. Adult and Adult. I can't say I am for or against it... BUT I do have a warning to anyone who does engage in this. Pregnancies that are products of incest tend to run the higher risk of severe birth-defects be it physical or mental. When I hear someone talking about wanting to bang their sister, mom, aunt... or who ever... I tell them to get themselves sterilized because even birth control (pill, condom, what ever) isn't fool-proof. Do you want to have a kid who is developmentally hindered just because you wanted sex with a family member? It's a cruel price to pay. Damages? Possible severe birth defects.

    FG, you are being cruel. What about teen-age exploration? You know... brother and sister... cousins?
    That falls under my Grey Area. If you are going to go through with this, educate yourself and I mean really educate yourself.


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    A very thoughtful, brave and perhaps painful post.

    I echo all the sentiments expressed here especially the betrayal of trust referred to at the beginning as I was also a victim of this.

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    A very thoughtful, brave and perhaps painful post.

    I echo all the sentiments expressed here especially the betrayal of trust referred to at the beginning as I was also a victim of this.

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    Thank you, a male friend was a victim too so I never over-look the effects it has on men. When I told him, we cried and talked in depth how it tainted our view on the world and sex in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinskin View Post
    As the reasoned and sexually experienced voice of the forum Milo, why do you continually refer to rape and sexual abuse victims as female? Believe me the damage is just as severe, if not more so, when the victim is a young boy.

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    Knee jerk reaction and more years of seeing little girls suffer through it then boys on average. Unfortunately boys don't show signs of their abuse until they're in their teens and early adulthood by then it's harder to identify it as an older abuse as a callous has built up over the original wound? We learn from a young age as men to bottle it up and bury it deep inside then to deal with it when it surfaces? I do apologize for not keeping such an important issue gender equal as I'm usually so careful about when talking about "any" sexual problem and I'll be more intuitive to do so in the future! Thanks for pointing this out, Milo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Cronos View Post
    Knee jerk reaction and more years of seeing little girls suffer through it then boys on average. Unfortunately boys don't show signs of their abuse until they're in their teens and early adulthood by then it's harder to identify it as an older abuse as a callous has built up over the original wound? We learn from a young age as men to bottle it up and bury it deep inside then to deal with it when it surfaces? I do apologize for not keeping such an important issue gender equal as I'm usually so careful about when talking about "any" sexual problem and I'll be more intuitive to do so in the future! Thanks for pointing this out, Milo
    No problem!

    Your analysis is correct which is why I encourage all male victims so seek professional help. When my head popped in my early 30's the collateral damage nearly killed me and it took quite a few years of talking therapy and emdr to set my head straight(ish).

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    No problem!

    Your analysis is correct which is why I encourage all male victims so seek professional help. When my head popped in my early 30's the collateral damage nearly killed me and it took quite a few years of talking therapy and emdr to set my head straight(ish).

    All the best!

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    This is why my posts "Teach Your Children Well" are so important to me and how will are children ever know right from wrong if at first they don't know what "right" is from us? This is why married and couples need to stay informed and show our children what an emotionally stable, loving committed relationship looks like daily! Monogamy is an assurance of future growth to be nourished and not a way of controlling a person or situation where the object is willingly committed! Our children pick up on that and can gauge all other outside influences by knowing the difference between something done with love or something that just doesn't feel right? Example: "My parents don't touch me like this maybe I should tell them someone else does?"
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