Polite discussion about censorship

[lifeslayer696]

Before you all jump at my throat, let me tell that I'm aware of the fact that there are lots of threads on the subject. To some of them I've also contributed (even if only minimally...). I'm starting this new one, because I'd like to discuss the topic without any insult or "you said that? Then fuck you!" replies.

The reason that has brought me to post is that recently this site established new rules about stories that can be published. Yes, I'm referring to the age limit for the characters. Given that, in my opinion, freedom of speech is one of the most important achievements of our society, I'm against this form of censorship. In the following, I'll try to point out exactly why.

At first, I thought it may be for some kind of legal issue. Pedophilia is a serious crime. But this cannot be true. Actually there are lots of other subjects that are illegal and yet allowed. Necrophilia, blackmail, rape...just to quote some of them!

Why should young stories be banned and not the others? The answer is simple: it's a morality problem. But let me point out how hypocrite - in my opinion - this is. First of all because, as I've already pointed out, either we are against every form of crime, or none of it. But, someone could say that is out of nature to fantasize about kids. That it is horrifying. I do not like kids...but still, I have to disagree with this. In the past (expecially in the middle age), boys and girls as young as 13-14 were married and trying to give birth to babies. Nobody considered it weird. Of course the high mortality rate was the reason...and I'm not saying that they were right and we are wrong. My point is that morality is something that evolves! It's not fixed by nature. So, if we censor those stories because they are "morally less acceptable", we are just fooling ourself.

To conclude, I just wanted to express my dissent to the new rules. Not because I like pedophile stories, but because the reason is hypocrite. And I hate hypocrisy. Do you wanna ban stories that revolve round illegal themes? Fine. But then be self-consistent and do it to ALL illegal themes. Not only those suiting less to your "morality"!

Do you agree or disagree?

P.s. I invite you to read the title carefully! Of course I'm open to negative responses, but PLEASE KEEP IT POLITE!!

[ejls]

New rules posted where?

[Daddycums]

Here's a little something I've been thinking of lately that relates to this topic.

There are basically four levels of censorship.

1. Government censorship. I am mostly against this, although I will admit that there are plenty of gray areas. For instance, I agree that real child pornography (involving actual children) should be illegal, despite this technically being a form of censorship.

2. Semi-official censorship. When an organization in a position of de-facto power decides to censor you. Perfect example is PayPal telling erotica fiction sites what they can and can't publish. This is, in my opinion, an abuse of monopoly power. (I know, I know, PayPal isn't really a monopoly, but it is in a unique position without any real competitors)

3. Community censorship. The "no pedo stories" on XNXX is an example of this. I don't mind this because XNXX is not a monopoly and therefore has no true power. If they change their rules and I don't like it, I can always go somewhere else.

4. Personal censorship. e.g. I will never read or write scat stories, although I wouldn't force that rule on anyone else. This is, in my opinion, a positive form of censorship, because it gives one the moral high ground to argue against censorship by those in power.

And I agree with OP's opinion, although I also agree with ejls: New rules posted where?

[Hornycountryboy]

I really wish more people would practice "personal censorship" if you don't like something then don't read/watch it.

[ahorsewithnoname]

The problem that generally gets overlooked is that the owner of the site doesn't have to answer to you, me, or anyone. The owner of the site doesn't have to explain their reasoning to you, me, or anyone. The owner of the site doesn't have to give a fuck about the site, period.

Tits or get the fuck out?

How about accept the site's rules or politely get the fuck out.

This is going to be another 500+ post thread where the same shit is going to get posted and argued. It's all a waste of time. But have fun with it.

[m21]

Originally Posted by lifeslayer696

Before you all jump at my throat, let me tell that I'm aware of the fact that there are lots of threads on the subject. To some of them I've also contributed (even if only minimally...). I'm starting this new one, because I'd like to discuss the topic without any insult or "you said that? Then fuck you!" replies.

The reason that has brought me to post is that recently this site established new rules about stories that can be published. Yes, I'm referring to the age limit for the characters. Given that, in my opinion, freedom of speech is one of the most important achievements of our society, I'm against this form of censorship. In the following, I'll try to point out exactly why.

At first, I thought it may be for some kind of legal issue. Pedophilia is a serious crime. But this cannot be true. Actually there are lots of other subjects that are illegal and yet allowed. Necrophilia, blackmail, rape...just to quote some of them!

Why should young stories be banned and not the others? The answer is simple: it's a morality problem. But let me point out how hypocrite - in my opinion - this is. First of all because, as I've already pointed out, either we are against every form of crime, or none of it. But, someone could say that is out of nature to fantasize about kids. That it is horrifying. I do not like kids...but still, I have to disagree with this. In the past (expecially in the middle age), boys and girls as young as 13-14 were married and trying to give birth to babies. Nobody considered it weird. Of course the high mortality rate was the reason...and I'm not saying that they were right and we are wrong. My point is that morality is something that evolves! It's not fixed by nature. So, if we censor those stories because they are "morally less acceptable", we are just fooling ourself.

To conclude, I just wanted to express my dissent to the new rules. Not because I like pedophile stories, but because the reason is hypocrite. And I hate hypocrisy. Do you wanna ban stories that revolve round illegal themes? Fine. But then be self-consistent and do it to ALL illegal themes. Not only those suiting less to your "morality"!

Do you agree or disagree?

P.s. I invite you to read the title carefully! Of course I'm open to negative responses, but PLEASE KEEP IT POLITE!!

questions in return

In your opinion would it be okay to have stories describing the rape of a 5 year old ?
as above, the murder of a 7 year old ?
as above, the rape, mutilation, murder of a 3 year old baby?
as above, the gang rape of a 1 year old baby ?

If not then why not ?
you will also then be implementing your own personal level of morality and censorship if you wouldn't allow stories like that.

Where does one draw the line ?
everybody has a different line because what may be okay with some is not okay with others.

I'd say the mods and admin have roughly got things right at the moment, no doubt some will not agree as they want ages to be higher/lower.

There could be much better and clearer guidelines as to exactly what is allowed at the moment but admin never seem to want to get involved and mods can only go by what little instruction they have on the matter so far.




before anyone says anything, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THOSE TYPE OF STORIES EVER ON HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by ahorsewithnoname

The problem that generally gets overlooked is that the owner of the site doesn't have to answer to you, me, or anyone. The owner of the site doesn't have to explain their reasoning to you, me, or anyone. The owner of the site doesn't have to give a fuck about the site, period.

Exactly, and this is why I don't have a problem with community censorship like this. If the site owners want to make a rule that all characters in the stories have to have red hair and exactly three fillings in their teeth, that's their right. They're welcome to set whatever rules they're want, just like we're welcome to go elsewhere if we don't like those rules.

Originally Posted by m21

questions in return

In your opinion would it be okay to have stories describing the rape of a 5 year old ?
as above, the murder of a 7 year old ?
as above, the rape, mutilation, murder of a 3 year old baby?
as above, the gang rape of a 1 year old baby ?

Yes to all of the above. I would simply practice self-censorship and not read those stories.

Originally Posted by m21

If not then why not ?
you will also then be implementing your own personal level of morality and censorship if you wouldn't allow stories like that.

Where does one draw the line ?
everybody has a different line because what may be okay with some is not okay with others.

I'd say the mods and admin have roughly got things right at the moment, no doubt some will not agree as they want ages to be higher/lower.

I personally would like to see no content limitations whatsoever, and that's where I would draw the line.

Originally Posted by m21

There could be much better and clearer guidelines as to exactly what is allowed at the moment but admin never seem to want to get involved and mods can only go by what little instruction they have on the matter so far.

That's actually my biggest complaint about the rules. They're ambiguous and therefore impossible to enforce fairly. But I do respect the admins' right to define the rules however they want. That's the ironic bit. I strongly support freedom of speech and therefore I am opposed to censorship, but I also think that freedom of speech covers their right to set the rules even if it results in a form of censorship at the community level.

Originally Posted by m21

before anyone says anything, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THOSE TYPE OF STORIES EVER ON HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

Neither do I. But I'd rather see those type of stories than risk having other well-written stories pulled from the site because they don't quite follow the guidelines du jour.

[darthel0101]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

That's actually my biggest complaint about the rules. They're ambiguous and therefore impossible to enforce fairly. But I do respect the admins' right to define the rules however they want. That's the ironic bit. I strongly support freedom of speech and therefore I am opposed to censorship, but I also think that freedom of speech covers their right to set the rules even if it results in a form of censorship at the community level.

Neither do I. I'd rather see those type of stories than risk having other well-written stories pulled from the site because they don't quite follow the guidelines du jour.

A-fuckin-MEN

[wantsomefun]

As has been said, we're guests here, not paying customers. The owners can come up with any rule they like, and enforce it any way they choose. It's like going to someone's house as a guest. If the house rule is, "no feet on the coffee table," then you keep you feet on the floor. It's really pretty simple. I, personally, can live with that.

What I can't deal with is the host who has to control your every move, who treats you like someone who can't be trusted, even though you were invited. When I get those vibes, I leave. It's not like that here. Be thankful this isn't one of those sites that has a lot of rules -- no incest, no one under 18, no violence (not even as part of a story line, like a cop romance or a war story).

In an ideal world, we could make do with self-censorship. There's a lot of subject matter on this website that I won't touch, fetishes about which I am blissfully ignorant, and that works for me. However, we do have rules, for whatever reason. I try to live by them. Life's too short to bitch about them.

[lifeslayer696]

Originally Posted by m21

questions in return

In your opinion would it be okay to have stories describing the rape of a 5 year old ?
as above, the murder of a 7 year old ?
as above, the rape, mutilation, murder of a 3 year old baby?
as above, the gang rape of a 1 year old baby ?

If not then why not ?
you will also then be implementing your own personal level of morality and censorship if you wouldn't allow stories like that.

Where does one draw the line ?
everybody has a different line because what may be okay with some is not okay with others.

I'd say the mods and admin have roughly got things right at the moment, no doubt some will not agree as they want ages to be higher/lower.

There could be much better and clearer guidelines as to exactly what is allowed at the moment but admin never seem to want to get involved and mods can only go by what little instruction they have on the matter so far.




before anyone says anything, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THOSE TYPE OF STORIES EVER ON HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

Direct questions, direct answer. Those stories would make me sick, but I'd allow them. My whole point is that either we draw the line where law draws it for the acutal acts or we don't draw it at all!

[lifeslayer696]

Originally Posted by wantsomefun

As has been said, we're guests here, not paying customers. The owners can come up with any rule they like, and enforce it any way they choose. It's like going to someone's house as a guest. If the house rule is, "no feet on the coffee table," then you keep you feet on the floor. It's really pretty simple. I, personally, can live with that.

What I can't deal with is the host who has to control your every move, who treats you like someone who can't be trusted, even though you were invited. When I get those vibes, I leave. It's not like that here. Be thankful this isn't one of those sites that has a lot of rules -- no incest, no one under 18, no violence (not even as part of a story line, like a cop romance or a war story).

In an ideal world, we could make do with self-censorship. There's a lot of subject matter on this website that I won't touch, fetishes about which I am blissfully ignorant, and that works for me. However, we do have rules, for whatever reason. I try to live by them. Life's too short to bitch about them.

I agree. We are guests and we have to follow the rules. No problem with that! And they all right to change them as they want.
But I do have the freedom to disagree. Of course, if I found the chages unbearable, I'd leave the site, which is not the case.
Anyhow, I reckon that it's important to discuss such topics, for debate is an important step in the process of making an opinion!

[lifeslayer696]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

Here's a little something I've been thinking of lately that relates to this topic.

There are basically four levels of censorship.

1. Government censorship. I am mostly against this, although I will admit that there are plenty of gray areas. For instance, I agree that real child pornography (involving actual children) should be illegal, despite this technically being a form of censorship.

2. Semi-official censorship. When an organization in a position of de-facto power decides to censor you. Perfect example is PayPal telling erotica fiction sites what they can and can't publish. This is, in my opinion, an abuse of monopoly power. (I know, I know, PayPal isn't really a monopoly, but it is in a unique position without any real competitors)

3. Community censorship. The "no pedo stories" on XNXX is an example of this. I don't mind this because XNXX is not a monopoly and therefore has no true power. If they change their rules and I don't like it, I can always go somewhere else.

4. Personal censorship. e.g. I will never read or write scat stories, although I wouldn't force that rule on anyone else. This is, in my opinion, a positive form of censorship, because it gives one the moral high ground to argue against censorship by those in power.

And I agree with OP's opinion, although I also agree with ejls: New rules posted where?

Well said!! I respect this!

[JoeDirty]

The so-called "No Pedo Rule" is a CYA for the Admin to say, "Hey! There's no pedo here! 'Onist!"

Click "SEX STORIES" at the top of the page.

There you'll find pedo sex stories what would've made that sadistic pedo bastard De Sade puke!

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

The so-called "No Pedo Rule" is a CYA for the Admin to say, "Hey! There's no pedo here! 'Onist!"

Click "SEX STORIES" at the top of the page.

There you'll find pedo sex stories what would've made that sadistic pedo bastard De Sade puke!

So why don't you report them and get them removed? If you sit back and do nothing then you're just as bad as the sick bastard who wrote them or the perverted reader who gives them a positive vote. Stop coming on here and abusing people who respect the ideal of freedom of speech while doing nothing about the filth that already exists!

[lifeslayer696]

Originally Posted by Wee Hector

So why don't you report them and get them removed? If you sit back and do nothing then you're just as bad as the sick bastard who wrote them or the perverted reader who gives them a positive vote. Stop coming on here and abusing people who respect the ideal of freedom of speech while doing nothing about the filth that already exists!

I'm sorry but from your post I didn't understand if you were in favor or against this kind of censorship.
I'm not judging, just asking...

[darthel0101]

Originally Posted by lifeslayer696

I'm sorry but from your post I didn't understand if you were in favor or against this kind of censorship.
I'm not judging, just asking...

The reference is to the fact that the target of the statement has a habit off saying one thing and doing another.

[F-Star]

Originally Posted by lifeslayer696

I'm sorry but from your post I didn't understand if you were in favor or against this kind of censorship.
I'm not judging, just asking...

He's against Joe Dirty.