Obama frees the dream kids

[thikdik]

So does that mean that every American household now gets a free Mexican or how does that work?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Yes, that is 100% true!

You are a bigger liar than he is.

[richief]

Originally Posted by xnxxbob

Older, legal immigrants tend to vote GOP. Younger,illegal immigrants tend to vote democrat.

Dead people ALWAYS tend to vote democrat.

I fail to see how an illegal immigrant can obtain a voting card or are they just passed out to anyone walking down the street.

Dead people I can believe cast more votes than live illegals, but is there any proof that they all rise from the grave to vote against the GoP? I mean real empirical proof and not the ramblings of some fool with a computer and a blog site.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shootersa

The thing is, Latinos here legally; native born OR legal immigrants; pretty much universally oppose anything that gives illegal emigrants rights or breaks. Their attitude is pretty much that illegals give them a bad name, and they should go stand in line with the rest instead of sneaking in.

Obama's motivation for this one is a mystery to me. It can't be to garner votes; he already has the leftist vacuum head vote, this will cost him Latino votes without gaining any from the immigrant vote, and he has given the right a mighty big hammer to get whacked with.

If it ain't to garner votes, then what motivated him? His action is an "in your face" to congress, but he's already done that move several times.

It can't be money; illegals send their money home.

Its not about the "right thing" to do; it's like giving trespassers a free ticket to walk around our house, wearing our underwear, and eating our food.

So, I wonder, the fuck was he thinking?

You know that's not what the polls are saying don't you?

Obama's Hispanic support surges with new deportation policy, poll finds

President Obama’s decision to change to his administration's deportation policies has energized Hispanic voters in five critical swing-states that have large Latino populations.

In Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia, 49 percent of Latino voters said the policy made them more enthusiastic about Obama, compared to 14 percent who were less enthusiastic, according to a Latino Decisions-America’s Voice poll conducted over the weekend.










Obama announced on Friday that his administration would stop deporting illegal immigrants who come to the country at a young age and meet certain requirements.

Ahead of Obama's announcement, polls showed presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney narrowing the gap with the president in those five states.

Obama led Romney by 13 points in Colorado, according a Public Policy Polling survey from early April, but the three most recent polls in that state showed the candidates in a statistical tie.

In Nevada, a state the president won by 12.5 points in 2008, Obama's lead has slipped from 8 points in a recent PPP poll to 5 points, according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls. And Obama’s lead in Virginia had been cut in half, from 6 points to 3, according to the RCP average.

Obama already had a massive lead among Hispanics overall, leading Romney by 34 points, 61 percent to 27, in a NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Telemundo poll released late last month.

Even if Obama has hit a ceiling with Hispanic support, the Latino Decisions-America's Voice poll indicates the policy change could help rally Hispanic voters to the polls in an election where voter turnout could decide the results in several states.

Some immigrant activist groups had been critical of the record number of deportations under the Obama administration, and a Latino Decisions-Univision poll released earlier this year showed Obama was suffering from an enthusiasm gap with the group. At the time, 53 percent of Latino voters said they were less enthusiastic about voting for Obama than they were in 2008.

After Friday’s announcement, Romney offered support for easing deportations but said he believed the decision could make it more difficult to win immigration reform.

“I believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long-term basis so they know what their future would be in this country,” Romney said at a campaign stop in New Hampshire.

On Sunday, the presumptive GOP nominee said Obama's announcement was an election-year ploy. "I think the timing is pretty clear," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
He also avoided taking a clear stance on the policy.

“Well, it would be overtaken by events if you will, by virtue of my putting in place a long-term solution with legislation which creates law that relates to these individuals such that they know what their setting is going to be, not just for the term of a president but on a permanent basis,” Romney said. He declined to say if he'd leave Obama's policy in place while he worked out his own.

Romney is against the DREAM Act, which is overwhelmingly popular among Hispanics — 87 percent support it, according to the poll — and has praised Arizona’s controversial immigration law, which the Obama administration is suing the state over.

The poll found that these positions made 59 percent of Hispanic voters in the five swing-states less enthusiastic about Romney.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...rtation-policy

[thikdik]

Romney to announce Free Tortilla Thursdays to get in on the Hispanic vote. ARRIVA
!!!

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

You are a bigger liar than he is.

You are a pathetic waste of human flesh and a burden to society.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

You are a pathetic waste of human flesh and a burden to society.

C'mon now,,,,,,,I like stumbler,,,and at least we can learn about the leftists lies, while also finding out what is really important to the leftist/socialist/communist/dictators....

[richief]

All I see from the right is abusive posts in reply to posts that ask questions or contain links supporting their statements, why is this?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

You know that's not what the polls are saying don't you?

Obama's Hispanic support surges with new deportation policy, poll finds




http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...rtation-policy

It wont be enough to keep him in office...........

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by richief

All I see from the right is abusive posts in reply to posts that ask questions or contain links supporting their statements, why is this?

BULLSHIT,,all you're doing is repeating lies..........

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by richief

All I see from the right is abusive posts in reply to posts that ask questions or contain links supporting their statements, why is this?

That is because you only see what you want to see.

If you want to see left wing bullshit, lies and "abusive posts", try reading your left wing crony stumbler's posts.

That is unless you just ignore him like most people on here?

[richief]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

C'mon now,,,,,,,I like stumbler,,,and at least we all can find out what about the leftists lies, while also finding out what is really important to the leftist/socialist/communist/dictators....

Communist? Dictators? Really? Where is your evidence Ace? Unless of course everyone to the left of you is a communist, which would make you somewhat of a socialist.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=richief;5154464]

Communist? Dictators? Really?

Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

Where is your evidence Ace?

I heard Rush and Hannity say it once

Unless of course everyone to the left of you is a communist, which would make you somewhat of a socialist.

Me,,,,socialist???? NAH.....Me is a conservative,,a constitutional/fiscal conservative,,,quite the opposite of today's administration..

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

You are a pathetic waste of human flesh and a burden to society.

No I've actually proven that you are in fact a bigger liar than xnxxbob because anyone at a glance can see he's lying and you said it was 100% true.

So you are in fact and in deed a bigger liar than he is Natural Boy.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

C'mon now,,,,,,,I like stumbler,,,and at least we can learn about the leftists lies, while also finding out what is really important to the leftist/socialist/communist/dictators....

Ace I'm a liberal/progressive/Democrat. And you are a liar as well when you make false accusations against me.

Originally Posted by richief

All I see from the right is abusive posts in reply to posts that ask questions or contain links supporting their statements, why is this?

Because brainwashed parrots and emotionally based ideologues cannot deal with fact based objective arguments.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

BULLSHIT,,all you're doing is repeating lies..........

No, now Ace that is another lie right there. The only one telling lies and making false accusations are you and your Natural Boy.

You're the one having to make up bullshit accusaitions calling me false names.

So his point is very significant.

Originally Posted by richief

Communist? Dictators? Really? Where is your evidence Ace? Unless of course everyone to the left of you is a communist, which would make you somewhat of a socialist.

Exactly, once again the only response guys like Ace and Natural Boy can come up with are lies and personal attacks because they can't see beyond the propaganda washed into their brains.

[thikdik]

What we will see is a Mariel boatlift type invasion of young Mexicans trying to get in before the gate shuts like we saw in Miami in the 80's.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by thikdik

What we will see is a Mariel boatlift type invasion of young Mexicans trying to get in before the gate shuts like we saw in Miami in the 80's.

Tell you what I'm going to try and remember this post so down the road I can remind you of just how brainwashed and paranoid you really are.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

No I've actually proven that you are in fact a bigger liar than xnxxbob because anyone at a glance can see he's lying and you said it was 100% true.

So you are in fact and in deed a bigger liar than he is Natural Boy.



Ace I'm a liberal/progressive/Democrat. And you are a liar as well when you make false accusations against me.



Because brainwashed parrots and emotionally based ideologues cannot deal with fact based objective arguments.



No, now Ace that is another lie right there. The only one telling lies and making false accusations are you and your Natural Boy.

You're the one having to make up bullshit accusaitions calling me false names.

So his point is very significant.



Exactly, once again the only response guys like Ace and Natural Boy can come up with are lies and personal attacks because they can't see beyond the propaganda washed into their brains.

As you leftists attempt to convince yourselves along with those that are misinformed or not informed at all, that Obama has a slim smoking chance in hell to get re-elected for a 2nd term, through lies/propaganda/manipulations/class warfare,,,there is really no factual evidence that even mildly assumes that Obama and the left has a good chance.

Obama has failed on the economy, the trust of the people, and has spent money for his own personal agenda, as the people know the national debt is out of control, and the left has no intentions of slowing the spending.

There really is nothing of any substance to debate or discuss for at least another couple of months, at least,,,,furthermore,,I'm not 'calling you names',,I'm just classifying the leftists,,next time I'll be sure to personally attach you into the mix as a ''liberal/progressive/Democrat''.........

[thikdik]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Tell you what I'm going to try and remember this post so down the road I can remind you of just how brainwashed and paranoid you really are.

Don't doubt me.

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by thikdik

What we will see is a Mariel boatlift type invasion of young Mexicans trying to get in before the gate shuts like we saw in Miami in the 80's.

They wouldn't qualify. Obama said there would be conditions:

They have to graduate from a US high school. Currently about half of children of immigrants drop out.

They cannot have a criminal record.

They have to show proof that they've lived CONTINUOUSLY in the US for 5 years; no going back and forth across the border.

These conditions will exclude a large number of immigrant children.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

They wouldn't qualify. Obama said there would be conditions:

They have to graduate from a US high school. Currently about half of children of immigrants drop out.

They cannot have a criminal record.

They have to show proof that they've lived CONTINUOUSLY in the US for 5 years; no going back and forth across the border.

These conditions will exclude a large number of immigrant children.

Yeah,,,MUST all be true then.........

[thikdik]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

They wouldn't qualify. Obama said there would be conditions:

They have to graduate from a US high school. Currently about half of children of immigrants drop out.

They cannot have a criminal record.

They have to show proof that they've lived CONTINUOUSLY in the US for 5 years; no going back and forth across the border.

These conditions will exclude a large number of immigrant children.

Oh I forgot that Obama keeps his promises. my word

[richief]

All I see is a pair of guys who are separated by a cat's whisker in the centre ground of politics, using that difference to nay say any political idea the opposition supports, even though said ideas would be good for the economy.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by richief

All I see is a pair of guys who are separated by a cat's whisker in the centre ground of politics, using that difference to nay say any political idea the opposition supports, even though said ideas would be good for the economy.

QUESTION;,,Where oh where is there any evidence stating that Obama's policies have worked/were good for this nations economy?

[thikdik]

Originally Posted by richief

All I see is a pair of guys who are separated by a cat's whisker in the centre ground of politics, using that difference to nay say any political idea the opposition supports, even though said ideas would be good for the economy.

I bet you wished you lived in a country where you had a say so.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

All I see from the right is abusive posts in reply to posts that ask questions or contain links supporting their statements, why is this?

When it comes to abusive posts he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

[richief]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

QUESTION;,,Where oh where is there any evidence stating that Obama's policies have worked/were good for this nations economy?

That is the point, the right will not let the policies pass, and you know I believe that your healthcare system is more crooked than a nine bob note and you need universal health care

Originally Posted by thikdik

I bet you wished you lived in a country where you had a say so.

I bet you do, the fact is I can vote out my MP with a vote for a credible third party, all you can do is abstain.

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

When it comes to abusive posts he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

You need to take heed of your own words and quit with the sanctimony or just fuck off.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

You need to take heed of your own words and quit with the sanctimony or just fuck off.

When have I flamed someone who did not flame me first?

[richief]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

When have I flamed someone who did not flame me first?

Your rather narrow definition of flaming includes anyone that does not agree with you and uses a few choice curse words in their reply. You on the other hand resort to the smiley application of flaming and let others use those naughty words. Like I said give up on the sanctimony you have been measured and found wanting.

[clarise]

Conservatives:

Now do you understand why I have been saying for more than a year that Romney sucks maggots and that I will never vote for him?

He blew an opportunity here, because he cannot resist being himself.

To clarisify: I advocate in support of legal immigration. We need all hands on deck to compete against China, Japan and the little tigers. Twenty years from now, the U.S. alone will not be able to stand against them. We need Pan-America, from Brazil to Lake Superior. (And beyond, if Canada deigns to take part, but Canada is so rich in land and resources that they could sit it out for a century if they so choose.)

Back to Romney: that moronic Mormon needs a dumb-slap, or his handlers do, which in my book amounts to the same thing.

The outrageous aspect of Obama's pronouncement is not about amnesty, which in fact I support, but about the way he did it!

Romney could have, and should have, used this opportunity to list Obama's abuses of executive power. He did not. Why? Because he wants that power, too. Because he is a narcissist, too. Because it does not matter who wins.

Obama and Romney. No difference. The same downward spiral, either way.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

As you leftists attempt to convince yourselves along with those that are misinformed or not informed at all, that Obama has a slim smoking chance in hell to get re-elected for a 2nd term, through lies/propaganda/manipulations/class warfare,,,there is really no factual evidence that even mildly assumes that Obama and the left has a good chance.

Really??? Wasn't it you Ace that predicted Obama would win a second term? And wasn't it even me who questioned you about that, and asked if it wasn't a typo? And wasn't it you that told me you knew how to type and meant what you said when you said it; that president Obama would win a second term?

Wasn't that you yourself?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Obama has failed on the economy, the trust of the people, and has spent money for his own personal agenda, as the people know the national debt is out of control, and the left has no intentions of slowing the spending.

How has President Obama failed on the economy? Is the economy shrinking or growing? What's the stock market at? Has unemployment fallen nearly two full points?

Tell me Ace by your own definition how is the economy "failing"?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

There really is nothing of any substance to debate or discuss for at least another couple of months, at least,,,,furthermore,,

Why didn't President Obama just issue the poilicy change yesterday? Isn't this a big campaign issue? How come we have to wait a couple months to discuss that.

And besides Ace what's that got to do with you and Natural Boy telling lies here?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'm not 'calling you names',,I'm just classifying the leftists,,next time I'll be sure to personally attach you into the mix as a ''liberal/progressive/Democrat''.........

No, now that's just another lie in a long string of them now. You most definitely did call me names that have nothing to do with me and you'd think a real conservative would have enough personal responsibility to man up and admit that.

But as usual conservatives lie about their own personal responsibility and then try to hold everyone else up to standards they generally piss all over.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by richief

That is the point, the right will not let the policies pass, and you know I believe that your healthcare system is more crooked than a nine bob note and you need universal health care

Oh just stop it,,you sound just like the desperate leftists in this country,,you folks must have forgotten about the 2 years that the left controlled both the house and the senate,,the left passed everything that they wanted, from the dusty archives of socialism,,,,,,spent money like drunken sailors,,and you want to blame the right for not working with the president. And the economy is doing what?? STAGNANT....

The leftist senate has tabled every job/economic policy that the right has passed and sent on to the senate,,along with the leftist senate not wanting to pass a budget as it is mandated by law to do so.

Richief,,,,,,desperation is not becoming of you,,,WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL FORMS AND VARIETIES OF 'UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE',,,that covers a certain percentage of our population,,that causes fraud,corruption and waste of tax dollars, limits healthcare to an extent, and you say we need to cover 312 + million people under this plan??

[JoeDirty]

We ought to have the same laws with regard to those who cross OUR southern border that the Mexicans have with regard to those who cross THEIR southern border.

I'll give you two guesses as to how strict those laws are.

Yet the Mexicans bitch and whine when we try to even make ours half as strict.

Damn Mexican hypocrites!!!

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;5155166]

Really??? Wasn't it you Ace that predicted Obama would win a second term? And wasn't it even me who questioned you about that, and asked if it wasn't a typo? And wasn't it you that told me you knew how to type and meant what you said when you said it; that president Obama would win a second term?

Wasn't that you yourself?

Yes I predicted that,,stating it right here in this forum,,somewhere,,but, there is no reason for me to be pushing and advocating for his re-election..

I sure as fuck hope,,Obama loses by a landslide,,,AND FOR THE RECORD,,I dont care for Romney all that much.

How has President Obama failed on the economy? Is the economy shrinking or growing? What's the stock market at? Has unemployment fallen nearly two full points?

Obama has given the free market uncertainty,the economy has stayed virtually stagnant,,no substantial growth, even after his failed stimulus of almost $1 trillion, unemployment has stayed at 8% + for a record amount of time,,,and , the stock market is staying at 'LIGHT VOLUME'.

Tell me Ace by your own definition how is the economy "failing"?

O.B A.M.A.'S- P.O.L.I.C.I.E.S...... The left has done nothing to grow the economy,all the left has done, was pay the American worker to not produce,,just as a government of the liberal/socialist/leftist/progressive/dictator/communist/democrats would do, because the government knows best, and the people are too stupid to care for themselves. Now looky there,,I personally involved you now...

Why didn't President Obama just issue the poilicy change yesterday? Isn't this a big campaign issue? How come we have to wait a couple months to discuss that.

It shows leftist desperation,,hardly worth a discussion,,I'm just needling you leftists about this horseshit.

And besides Ace what's that got to do with you and Natural Boy telling lies here?

No, now that's just another lie in a long string of them now. You most definitely did call me names that have nothing to do with me and you'd think a real conservative would have enough personal responsibility to man up and admit that.

Stand up,,,you sound as pathetic as DL now and as sensitive as a school girl........I knew DL lost his sack years back,,but I didn't think you did.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

We ought to have the same laws with regard to those who cross OUR southern border that the Mexicans have with regard to those who cross THEIR southern border.

I'll give you two guesses as to how strict those laws are.

Yet the Mexicans bitch and whine when we try to even make ours half as strict.

Damn Mexican hypocrites!!!

Damned right....

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

We ought to have the same laws with regard to those who cross OUR southern border that the Mexicans have with regard to those who cross THEIR southern border.

I'll give you two guesses as to how strict those laws are.

Yet the Mexicans bitch and whine when we try to even make ours half as strict.

Damn Mexican hypocrites!!!

sounds reasonable to me

[richief]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Oh just stop it,,you sound just like the desperate leftists in this country,,you folks must have forgotten about the 2 years that the left controlled both the house and the senate,,the left passed everything that they wanted, from the dusty archives of socialism,,,,,,spent money like drunken sailors,,and you want to blame the right for not working with the president. And the economy is doing what?? STAGNANT....

The leftist senate has tabled every job/economic policy that the right has passed and sent on to the senate,,along with the leftist senate not wanting to pass a budget as it is mandated by law to do so.

Richief,,,,,,desperation is not becoming of you,,,WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL FORMS AND VARIETIES OF 'UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE',,,that covers a certain percentage of our population,,that causes fraud,corruption and waste of tax dollars, limits healthcare to an extent, and you say we need to cover 312 + million people under this plan??

It works, it has proven to work, when you have a government department running the health system and not third party insurers and drug companies. Yes it is open to corruption but how corrupt are the insurance and drug companies, if you get caught defrauding the system then you can expect to repay your ill gotten gains and possibly a nice little prison sentence, the insurance companies just openly raise you premiums and tell you that certain treatments are not covered.
You may even pay less with a government run scheme, paid via a national insurance and taxes, and it gets rid of a certain amount of robbing leaches.

As for your senate and house being controlled by the liberals and dems, all of them do not agree with Obama and will vote against him, the same happens over here with the backbenchers voting against the government.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Oh just stop it,,you sound just like the desperate leftists in this country,,you folks must have forgotten about the 2 years that the left controlled both the house and the senate,,the left passed everything that they wanted, from the dusty archives of socialism,,,,,,spent money like drunken sailors,,and you want to blame the right for not working with the president. And the economy is doing what?? STAGNANT....

The leftist senate has tabled every job/economic policy that the right has passed and sent on to the senate,,along with the leftist senate not wanting to pass a budget as it is mandated by law to do so.

Richief,,,,,,desperation is not becoming of you,,,WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL FORMS AND VARIETIES OF 'UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE',,,that covers a certain percentage of our population,,that causes fraud,corruption and waste of tax dollars, limits healthcare to an extent, and you say we need to cover 312 + million people under this plan??

If what you are saying is true then you can show me those jobs creation bills can't you Ace? I mean you wouldn't be just sitting here talking our your ass would you?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Yes I predicted that,,stating it right here in this forum,,somewhere,,but, there is no reason for me to be pushing and advocating for his re-election..

I sure as fuck hope,,Obama loses by a landslide,,,AND FOR THE RECORD,,I dont care for Romney all that much.

I was just pointing out you directly contradicted yourself because you where just spouting the right wing false propaganda of the day.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Obama has given the free market uncertainty,the economy has stayed virtually stagnant,,no substantial growth, even after his failed stimulus of almost $1 trillion, unemployment has stayed at 8% + for a record amount of time,,,and , the stock market is staying at 'LIGHT VOLUME'.

You're just bullshitting again Ace.

U.S. Economy Posts Growth for 10th Straight Quarter

Read more: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/e...#ixzz1yFgVC9aS

US economy continues to grow, manufacturers optimistic

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ers-optimistic

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

O.B A.M.A.'S- P.O.L.I.C.I.E.S...... The left has done nothing to grow the economy,all the left has done, was pay the American worker to not produce,,just as a government of the liberal/socialist/leftist/progressive/dictator/communist/democrats would do, because the government knows best, and the people are too stupid to care for themselves. Now looky there,,I personally involved you now...

Nope, all you've done is continue to lie Ace, and make personal attacks, and not answer the questions that prove you're just trying to spread false right wing lies and propaganda.

You really do remind me of Rep Alan West who stated there were communists and socialists in congress until someone called him on it and then guess what he couldn't name a single one.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It shows leftist desperation,,hardly worth a discussion,,I'm just needling you leftists about this horseshit.

No you actually just making a blow hard fool of yourself because you came on here accusing me of lying when you can't refute any of my points, adequately defend any of your points, and simply resort to lying and name calling because you don't have a reasonable and rational argument.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Stand up,,,you sound as pathetic as DL now and as sensitive as a school girl........I knew DL lost his sack years back,,but I didn't think you did.

Hey there Ace that's all I'm doing here. Standing up for myself because and Natural Boy called me a liar among other things and I don't have to pit up with that. Especially when its you conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers doing the lying around here.

[stumbler]

Poll: Large Majority Of Voters, Independents Support Obama’s New Immigration Policy

President Barack Obama’s decision to suspend the deportation of some young illegal immigrants is a political winner with more than just Latino voters, according to a new poll released Tuesday.


The latest poll from Bloomberg was conducted after the president’s June 15 directive, which applies to undocumented immigrants under 30 years old who were brought to the United States before the age of 16, have been in the country for at least five years and graduated from high school, earned a GED or served in the military. In the nationwide survey, 64 percent of likely voters agree with the president’s decision, while 30 percent disagree. Sixty-six percent of independents — a crucial portion of the electorate that will likely decide the presidential race — support the policy.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

U.S. Economy Posts Growth for 10th Straight Quarter

Read more: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/e...#ixzz1yFgVC9aS

US economy continues to grow, manufacturers optimistic

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ers-optimistic

American ingenuity and exceptionalism will not allow anything but growth, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Obama and his socialist demeanor.

Anything less than 3-5% is NOT true growth, any economist will tell you that.

As it turned out, growth during the first three quarters of 2011 averaged just above a 1 percent annual rate, far short of the pace expected.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

American ingenuity and exceptionalism will not allow anything but growth, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Obama and his socialist demeanor.

Anything less than 3-5% is NOT true growth, any economist will tell you that.

As it turned out, growth during the first three quarters of 2011 averaged just above a 1 percent annual rate, far short of the pace expected.

Its way better than it was after you and your lying conservatives caused a world recession with their greed and excesses Ace. That was the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. So we're doing good compared to where we were.

And we'd be doing a lot better if the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress weren't doing everything they possibly can to make the nation, and the economy fail, and the people suffer just so President Obama does not succeed.

[stumbler]

Fuck its taken me most the morning to chase Ace around and re-rail threads hes tried to turn into false Obama Bashing instead of remaining on topic.

On Immigration, Fox Would Rather Amplify Attacks Than Present The Facts

Fox News has resorted to advancing an old falsehood to criticize President Obama's recent immigration policy change, claiming that his administration has failed to enforce immigration laws. In fact, the Obama administration's immigration enforcement policy has been so effective in the last three years that the New York Times recently remarked: "Mr. Obama's record on deportations has not been matched since the 1950s, with nearly 400,000 foreigners removed in each year of his term."


Indeed, during Obama's three years in office, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported more than 1.1 million undocumented immigrants. The annual average number of deportations under Obama is twice the annual average from President Bush's first term, and 30 percent higher than Bush's average when he left office. The removal of undocumented immigrants has steadily risen since Obama took office.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201206190017

[shootersa]

When child labor laws were first introduced, business screamed it would put them out of business.
When minimum wage laws were introduced, and every time the idea of raising minimum wage is discussed, business screams it will put them out of business.

We'll manage better paying what the job is worth, if we don't have to use taxes to educate, house, feed and care for illegals.

And besides, it's the right thing to do.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by shootersa

When child labor laws were first introduced, business screamed it would put them out of business.
When minimum wage laws were introduced, and every time the idea of raising minimum wage is discussed, business screams it will put them out of business.

We'll manage better paying what the job is worth, if we don't have to use taxes to educate, house, feed and care for illegals.

And besides, it's the right thing to do.

We would have never had those changes without the Unions and you can also thank them for the labor Day holiday.

[xnxxbob]

So.....I keep seeing this "La Raza" cunt on tv saying this will affect 800,000 young people who have graduated college and or served in the military. What I want to know is how did they enter the military? You need an AMERICAN birth certificate AND a SS number to join. So if the parents are illegal, and they floated the kid across the Rio Grande.........how did he or she obtain an AMERICAN birth certificate? Why is no one asking this?

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

We would have never had those changes without the Unions and you can also thank them for the labor Day holiday.

The fuck did I say about Unions??
Try to keep up.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shootersa

The fuck did I say about Unions??
Try to keep up.

What did the Supreme Court say today?