German court rules on circumcision

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

Michael and other supporters of male skin,

Just because I'm curious, and slightly hard headed so I hate to lose an argument....

have you seen all the stories, including pictures of the females? Do you think that could ever be medically necessary?


Second point, do you agree/ disagree that male circumcisions are sometimes medically or due to the mental capacity of the male necessary?


Still, have a nice day ,

Well, we are all female at first in the womb so really the penis is just an enlarged clitoris anyway.

I say there is no need to take a knife to ANY child male or female except in the case of medical emergency.

I have spoken to surgeons and most adult male circumcisions are repairs of botched earlier ones anyway.

On a side note this is one of the great things about this forum, seriously how many men outside your family have you ever discussed this with?

[Druidoak]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

Michael and other supporters of male skin,

Just because I'm curious, and slightly hard headed so I hate to lose an argument....

have you seen all the stories, including pictures of the females? Do you think that could ever be medically necessary?


Second point, do you agree/ disagree that male circumcisions are sometimes medically or due to the mental capacity of the male necessary?


Still, have a nice day ,

Circumcision for males was a tribal mutilation ritual that did two things. One was so a Jewish woman did not fuck the wrong guy and get pregnant by a gentile, this was in the spirit of keeping the race pure and probably the primary reason.

Second, was the ease of identifying an enemy. The original Jews were nomadic in nature and not the only nomad tribes. It would be something like Halt who goes there! Drop your pants/open your robe and let me see your dick!

Enforced with So God commands, so shall it be done.

Literal Christians/Muslims continued the practice because let's face it, they copied a lot of Literal Jewish practices.

Hygiene was not a factor. They lived in a desert, water was at a premium, washing was not a primary concern.

Female circumcision by certain Muslim sects and African tribes is a way to subjugate the women. So the women will not enjoy sex. Its male domination in the extreme.

Circumcision male/female is mutilation, no matter the justification, it is wrong plain and simple.

Its just one more thing monotheistic religion has forced on society because it's "Gods will"

As a side bar, in the Book of Thomas, which for various reasons was not included in the Bible, Thomas asked Jesus about the practice of circumcision. Jesus replied" If God did not intend for you to have it(meaning fore skin), you would not be born with it"

[gngbngprncss]

Circumcision should only be allowed when a baby is first born in my opinion. If they wait more than 3 weeks after the baby is born, then they should have to wait until the kid is old enough to consent. Both my nephews were circumcised right after they were born, and it honestly wasn't that bad, the crying I mean.

[Julie30]

Originally Posted by Cheltenham

These organizations need to riot against female circumcision

Absolutely! Female Crcumcision is a barbaric practice.

[N.E. Woman]

Originally Posted by richief

Firstly your opening sentence is a little offensive. As for female circumcision I can find no reason for it and am against it and would put to death those that support it.

Male circumcision is sometimes needed for medical reasons and should only be performed for those reasons, they should not be carried out because of a persons mental capacity.

Rich,
I'm so incredibly, emphatically sorry and full of remorse if I offended you. That was in no way my intention.

I thought it was kind of funny in an "play of words"/ ironic way.

Pleading for forgiveness,
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[chaz1488]

Originally Posted by gngbngprncss

Circumcision should only be allowed when a baby is first born in my opinion. If they wait more than 3 weeks after the baby is born, then they should have to wait until the kid is old enough to consent. Both my nephews were circumcised right after they were born, and it honestly wasn't that bad, the crying I mean.

I can agree with that. I was circumcised when I was born, and back then they still used a scalpel and sutures for the procedure, I don't remember any of it. All of my nephews were circumcised when they were born and we had our son circumcised as well, with the method they use today it's virtually pain free. We actually got to sit in on my son's procedure, basically it was slip on the inner ring, place the rubber ring, then lock on the outer ring and that was it, no crying, no fussing, not even a flinch. I can see the point of view of the other people on here who are against having it done, but your argument that it's child abuse is completely irrational. Having it done is not life threatening or detrimental to the health and well being of the child. As far as the religious connotations, I don't care, if you want to do what some invisible magic man in the sky told you to do, go right ahead, as long as it doesn't affect me, my family, or my liberties it's your business. There are some health benefits to having it done as well, mainly a lower risk of infection, either UTI or through open sores from chafing and rubbing. But I'm not a doctor or anything of the sort so I have no basis to make medical claims. Anyway all arguments here are moot, because there is severe bias on both sides of the debate. Those who were not circumcised as a baby are against circumcision and those who were are for it. Either way what the German law boils down to is religious persecution, plain and simple.

[meforyou]

As a guy who was 5 when I was done, for medical reasons, I can say that this thread is a "cut" above the rest.

[mustang25]

I can hear it now
Mom and dad why was I circumcised
Well son we knew that you would be to stupid or lazy to wash you penis so we had your foreskin cut off
(son) would a for skin not make easy er to masturbate? (mom) Yes this is good side effect as it helps keep your sheets clean!
(son) It feels just fine with lube
Years later
Son to girl friend please give me some head ? (Girl friend no way you stink and have ball sweet. (son this cant be so I been circumcised? I don't have wash.


I think most guy will do any thing to get head including washing . If not they should not be reproducing

[smcaaphd]

[Ed Itor]

Originally Posted by smcaaphd

The sad fact is this is really the situation on how most young people think.

[shyguyy2]

I'm all for circumcision. It's one of the first things women ask me "are you circumcised" Of course I am and my futrue kid will be to if it's a boy. Have you seen a emergency circumcision I have trust me it's better to get it done when your a baby. It's easier to keep clean, makes you look bigger and more women (and men probably) prefer it on their partner I've been with about 13 women and they all liked men that were cut.

[N.E. Woman]

I am amazed this thread is still going.....

The fact is this is one of those topics where both sides believe in what they're saying and nothing will convince either side to change their position. I'm sure more people could chime in and still the lines will be drawn.

Why can't people on this forum say "I hear what your saying, but I won't change my POV".

I'm quite sure there are a few other threads right now that should make this statement.

Have a nice, argument free day ,
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[gdogg79]

uncircumcised dicks look gross

[AZRIEL]

Briss full thinking.jpg

[cpm796]

Always good idea to allow someone chance to decide what mutilation to have down to themselves if any.

[McDick]

Is there nothing that Europeans will not regulate?

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by McDick

Is there nothing that Europeans will not regulate?

Of all the things that Europeans do regulate, at least child abuse is a thing well worthy of regulation.


You're in favour of circumcision? Fine. Go mutilate your own dick. No three-week-old child has ever been in favour of circumcision in all human history, for the blindingly obvious reason that they aren't capable of reason at that age. If you do impose it on them anyway, you are a child abuser.

[Whitey44]

Originally Posted by Hank5

Mankind is progressing as the level of civilization increases and an human rights are recognised. A German court's ruling on routine non-consensual male circumcision marks a turning point and may yet be followed by similar rulings in other countries. Click here for the full story.

Germans have always been against circumcision anyway. My german family had some members that developed infections and had to get circumcized later. It's much easier for infant to get circumcized than a boy or a man. It's cleaner and sensitive enough afterward.

The jews do it for religious and cleanliness. Just like they don't eat pig meat because they are dirty animals. Religion often has more reasoning behind it that makes sense than the average weak mind can comprehend.

I wouldn't want my government interfering with this...

[McDick]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Of all the things that Europeans do regulate, at least child abuse is a thing well worthy of regulation.


You're in favour of circumcision? Fine. Go mutilate your own dick. No three-week-old child has ever been in favour of circumcision in all human history, for the blindingly obvious reason that they aren't capable of reason at that age. If you do impose it on them anyway, you are a child abuser.

I don't really have much of an opinion one way or the other. I'm just appalled that a government would feel it's their place to disallow it. I think it should be left up to the parents.

It doesn't matter if the kid consents or not. It's not his decision to make. In my country that isn't an issue at all. Heck, we snuff out millions of little womb-rats every year without asking them for consent. It's not their choice, it's up to the parents.

[ssal]

Originally Posted by clarise

Female circumcision is barbaric, confers no health benefits whatsoever, serves solely to assert male superiority and subjugate women, and it should be abolished.

Listen, I know circumcision must hurt like a bleepity-bleep, but all I'm saying is why can't boys use soap and water once in a while?

You can not differentiate at all, not even one bit, between male and female circumcision. you either accept both or none. Neither has any merit. Both are done simply for vain reasons.

I do not know which cave you crawled out, with men that do not wash their dicks and have 'cheese' but even if that was truly the case, the course of action is to teach people to wash not to mutilate them. Personal culture, of lack thereof, can not be resolved with barbaric means.

If you support male circumcision for any reason (and it can be only traditional, as there are no health benefits) then you have to respect the rights and customs of the people that perform female circumcision.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by McDick

It doesn't matter if the kid consents or not. It's not his decision to make.

Anyone who's capable of making a statement like that should be put down for the sake of civilization.

[McDick]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Anyone who's capable of making a statement like that should be put down for the sake of civilization.

Parents make countless life changing decisions for their kids without the child's consent. They decide what kind of medical and dental treatment a child does or does not get, what type of schooling they get, what religion they do or do not get raised with, even whether or not they get killed in the womb.

Whether or not a kid gets circumcized is one of the less important ones. Only a European country would consider it a decision to be made by the government. The rest of the world leaves the decision up to the parents, because, as I said, "It doesn't matter if the kid consents or not. It's not his decision to make."

[deviousdave]

WTF. What kind of crazy Jew practice is this.

http://richarddawkins.net/news_artic...mcision-ritual

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by McDick

Parents make countless life changing decisions for their kids without the child's consent. They decide what kind of medical and dental treatment a child does or does not get, what type of schooling they get, what religion they do or do not get raised with, even whether or not they get killed in the womb.

Whether or not a kid gets circumcized is one of the less important ones. Only a European country would consider it a decision to be made by the government. The rest of the world leaves the decision up to the parents, because, as I said, "It doesn't matter if the kid consents or not. It's not his decision to make."

What if turns out the kid doesn't want to be a jew or muslim. Why not let the kid reach an age where he is capable of making the decision for himself, no need to be 18, age 12 should be sufficient.

I don't think God will mind if the child makes his own decision to have some of his penis cut off. This is about parents indoctrinating their children against their will.

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by McDick

Is there nothing that Europeans will not regulate?

Coming from a country where the legal age to drink is 21, sounds rather hypocritical.

Should we allow parents to chop a finger off their child? After all, one can get by with 9 fingers. Parents should have the right to do what they like to their children. Hell, why not rape them ? That's tradition in the catholic faith so I hear, Why don't parent's have the right to do that?

[RusHasCock]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

DAMN......I wouldn't want to live with you. I am uncut, proudly
so, yet I have found it within my worthless soul to bathe daily, hold
my slobbiness to a minimum, use deodorant and even shaving lotion . I HAVE had bugs, as in an ocassional lightning bug landing
on my person, and , Yes I have even been bitten by a damned mosquito , but other than that, I have stayed relatively clean and
disease free all my life, even when rolling around in the rice paddies
of a little place called Vietnam .

It is not my intent to let the air out of all your balloons, but to cast
a blanket of derision over all men, simply because you may have
been mistreated or sleeping in the dog lot is.......despicable.

Have a nice day.

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

You make a good point. Men tend to be less neat and clean. They are far less likely to get an infection the way a woman would. For that reason, men can get away with being a little lazy when it comes to basic cleanliness and personal grooming. A circumcised penis is much easier to keep clean. They also look much nicer. Don't they ladies? That extra flap of skin is ugly.

I have heard and read that circumcised men are less likely to get certain diseases. Women who have sex with uncircumcised men are more likely to get cervical cancer and infections. These women are also less likely to give uncircumcised men blow jobs. I don't blame them. I would imagine that it would be gross.

I don't think circumcision is a big deal. It's a fast and simple medical procedure. Yes, the baby does experience some pain. However, most men don't remember the pain. I was circumcised as a baby. I honestly don't remember anything about the procedure. I'm glad that my mother chose to do it. I don't think that I would want that skin flap. That extra skin serves no purpose in our modern world. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Most men in the U.S. are circumcised. That is how most of the ladies want it. It's a small price to pay to make your wife or girlfriend happy. Ladies, this cut is for you!

[x__orion]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

You make a good point. Men tend to be less neat and clean. They are far less likely to get an infection the way a woman would. For that reason, men can get away with being a little lazy when it comes to basic cleanliness and personal grooming. A circumcised penis is much easier to keep clean. They also look much nicer. Don't they ladies? That extra flap of skin is ugly.

I have heard and read that circumcised men are less likely to get certain diseases. Women who have sex with uncircumcised men are more likely to get cervical cancer and infections. These women are also less likely to give uncircumcised men blow jobs. I don't blame them. I would imagine that it would be gross.

I don't think circumcision is a big deal. It's a fast and simple medical procedure. Yes, the baby does experience some pain. However, most men don't remember the pain. I was circumcised as a baby. I honestly don't remember anything about the procedure. I'm glad that my mother chose to do it. I don't think that I would want that skin flap. That extra skin serves no purpose in our modern world. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Most men in the U.S. are circumcised. That is how most of the ladies want it. It's a small price to pay to make your wife or girlfriend happy. Ladies, this cut is for you!

Because nothing's more attractive than a ring of scar tissue, eh?

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by x__orion

Because nothing's more attractive than a ring of scar tissue, eh?

I never thought of it that way. You could be onto something. Maybe that's why women refuse to suck my cock. In fact, women don't even want to see my cock. Ladies, will one of you please suck my cock? It would do a lot for my ego and mental health. It would have a calming and soothing effect on me. Is there anyone who needs to calm down more than me? Think of it as a form of sexual therapy. If any of you kind ladies are willing to help me "overcome" my problems, just send me a PM.

[deviousdave]

I've never quite understood the argument "They don't remember the pain, so it doesn't matter"

I see, so if the government finds a drug that inflicts amnesia, then it is okay for them to torture people for 5 years, wipe their memory, and send them on their way.

I was circumcised about 4 years ago, not for religious, or aesthetic reasons. But because it was too tight and it made sex painful. Now everything is fine, +1 point for circumcision.

Would I have it done again? I don't know. I suffered through 3 weeks of agony, and my cock has a horrible scar. Anyone that tells you it doesn't hurt, is a liar. In the past I have broken my leg, my collar bone, cracked my ribs. Being circumcised was far worse for me.

It is a good job they don't remember, because these kids would grow up without being able to love their parents.

[Furred Goddess]

I'm against circumcision, my husband has to deal with daily issues from a botched one... it hinders him so much that we can not have sex with out the skin of his penis painfully tearing. I heard of others having the same issue so... it turned me against the procedure. If I have a son, I will leave it up to him when he is old enough on if he wants it or not.

[sullygom]

I'm all for dick slicing !!!

If it were to be banned altogether where would we get fresh foreskin to pan fry with shallots, red wine and paprika ?

Wear your scar with pride !!!

[sullygom]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

I've never quite understood the argument "They don't remember the pain, so it doesn't matter"

I see, so if the government finds a drug that inflicts amnesia, then it is okay for them to torture people for 5 years, wipe their memory, and send them on their way.

I was circumcised about 4 years ago, not for religious, or aesthetic reasons. But because it was too tight and it made sex painful. Now everything is fine, +1 point for circumcision.

Would I have it done again? I don't know. I suffered through 3 weeks of agony, and my cock has a horrible scar. Anyone that tells you it doesn't hurt, is a liar. In the past I have broken my leg, my collar bone, cracked my ribs. Being circumcised was far worse for me.

It is a good job they don't remember, because these kids would grow up without being able to love their parents.

dd, sorry about your sore dick.... but I was circumcised when I was 19, coz my g/f refused to give me blowjobs !! (she doesn't like blue cheese, but I love it)...you must have had a crap surgeon or did you use the butchery dept at Tesco?

if you want real pain try and get infected with gout in any joint !!

[sullygom]

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, pain from infant circumcision correlates with pain from infant vaccination, and sexual transmitted disease is a significantly greater risk if the cock in question is not cut !!!! Of course that also assumes that hygene is of a similar standard !

[sullygom]

[Rixer]

Sorry Hank...
Looks like it's legal in Germany once again.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/three-m...legalize-rite/

[justaguyforfun]

"I hear what your saying, but I won't change my POV"

[JoeDirty]

For the record...

I'm uncut and it smells just fine. (I wash my dick daily.)

I'm not about to have it cut either just to please some of you who find a cut one more aesthetically pleasing.

Also for the record...

I have nothing against circumcision...as long as it isn't done to me.

And also for the record...

Hank is a douchbag.

[sullygom]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

For the record...

I'm uncut and it smells just fine. (I wash my dick daily.)

I'm not about to have it cut either just to please some of you who find a cut one more aesthetically pleasing.

Also for the record...

I have nothing against circumcision...as long as it isn't done to me.

And also for the record...

Hank is a douchbag.

well said on all counts Joe

[Ghostrider939]

Originally Posted by Hank5

Mankind is progressing as the level of civilization increases and an human rights are recognised. A German court's ruling on routine non-consensual male circumcision marks a turning point and may yet be followed by similar rulings in other countries. Click here for the full story.

I am pleased - At last, one nation is prepared to start legislating against the barbarity imposed by cockamamie religious freaks in the name of their imbecilic religions. As for female circumcision - I would be honoured to be given the responsibility to gut shoot any of the bastards who encourage/condone or act in such an atrocity.

Lastly DD must be a pussy ( or have a REALLY big dick that needed a chainsaw ) because I got the chop, for medical reasons, when I was 27 yrs old - and felt mildly uncomfortable for four weeks.

[noname4539]

come

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by clarise

...okay.......so maybe you don't have bugs. But it's a crap shoot, let me tell you. Pun intended.

Maybe some help from NEW, ejls, et. al. Have any of you ever put your nose within two inches of an uncut one that didn't smell like a restroom floor? 'Cause I haven't. Just saying.

That is why if the guy does not wash he gets no fun.

I do have to say when women say they do not clean their dicks while that is true for some guys there are also women that do not clean themselves it is a two way street.

[ladygodiva123]

It's interesting that they are banning circumcision in Germany considering that when the Nazis were in power, a quick way to separate the Jews from the Gentiles in a group of men (or boys) was to make them drop their pants. Sometimes they just got a star sewn to their clothes. Sometimes they got loaded onto a train to a camp.

Anyway, not to make the argument more complicated, but epidemiologists have found that circumcised males are less likely to catch and transmit HIV and other STI's than intact males. They theorize that the viruses are trapped under the foreskin and the skin on the head of the penis thinner and more permeable. They actually encourage circumcision in African countries with high rates of HIV. Penile cancer is nonexistent in circumcised men.

Personally, I think parents should be able to make an informed choice. Female circumcision is more properly called female genital mutilation and should not be allowed.

[Resident of Maryland]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

Agreed..... and it's called dick cheese for a reason

Also it has health benefits.

By the way, this post almost makes it believable that you're female...almost

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by michael saint

Well, we are all female at first in the womb so really the penis is just an enlarged clitoris anyway....

Whatever you do don't tell this to Virginal Vixen! Her head would explode!

Originally Posted by sullygom

well said on all counts Joe

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Resident of Maryland

Agreed..... and it's called dick cheese for a reason

Also it has health benefits....

Dick cheese has health benefits?!

Yay! No more having to wash it every day!

[Resident of Maryland]

Originally Posted by x__orion

Because nothing's more attractive than a ring of scar tissue, eh?

I've been told that mine looks very nice and they did a very nice job

[Resident of Maryland]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Dick cheese has health benefits?!

Yay! No more having to wash it every day!

I'd be willing to bet that you're neither uncircumcised nor do you wash every day.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Resident of Maryland

I'd be willing to bet that you're neither uncircumcised nor do you wash every day.

I just said above that I was uncut and wash daily, didn't I? (When I jerk off---which is daily---I like for my dick to be shiny. Not washing makes for a dull dick.)

I don't lie. I may BS...but I never tell bald-faced lies.

[gymgirl]

I think circumcised cocks are weird. The skin is supposed to move on a cock, it's sexy and natural. If I were choosing between a circumcised guy and an uncircumcised one -other things being equal - I'd go with the natural one every time.

If he didn't shower and wash it every day he wouldn't be in the frame anyway!

[sullygom]

skin does move....how do you think we wank !!