Drill, baby, drill!

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Which is why Obama and others do not want the Keystone Pipeline to run down the middle of the USA's biggest aquifer the Ogallala...

Hell Boone Pickens even agreeded with this...

And the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are trying to get the pipeline approved without doing the necessary environmental impact statements.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are trying to get the pipeline approved without doing the necessary environmental impact statements.

They have rerouted the pipeline plan now to by pass the aquifer and it should get approved soon...it may cost a little more now but if it popped on that water source which is the bread basket of the world A lot of people would be fucked all around the world...

The portion between Cushing OK and Houston is in process now...

However there are some lawsuits about land scamers in Texas when buying the right of way....

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

They have rerouted the pipeline plan now to by pass the aquifer and it should get approved soon...it may cost a little more now but if it popped on that water source which is the bread basket of the world A lot of people would be fucked all around the world...

The portion between Cushing OK and Houston is in process now...

However there are some lawsuits about land scamers in Texas when buying the right of way....

BTW...

About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies this aquifer system, which yields about 30 percent of the nation's ground water used for irrigation. In addition, the aquifer system provides drinking water to 82 percent of the people who live within the aquifer boundary

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

They have rerouted the pipeline plan now to by pass the aquifer and it should get approved soon...it may cost a little more now but if it popped on that water source which is the bread basket of the world A lot of people would be fucked all around the world...

The portion between Cushing OK and Houston is in process now...

However there are some lawsuits about land scamers in Texas when buying the right of way....

I have no doubt the Keystone Pipeline is going to be built. I just hate the conservative lies that somehow President Obama is blocking the pipeline instead of the needed environmental impact statements to be completed.

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

BTW...

About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies this aquifer system, which yields about 30 percent of the nation's ground water used for irrigation. In addition, the aquifer system provides drinking water to 82 percent of the people who live within the aquifer boundary

And that also gets back to hydraulic fracturing below our aquifers. It would be a lot easier to pollute them by fracking then the pipeline spills.

[RandyKnight]

Speaking of Fracking....and you know I hate this....because I am a gas field nut...

New Study: Fluids From Marcellus Shale Likely Seeping Into PA Drinking Water


New research has concluded that salty, mineral-rich fluids deep beneath Pennsylvania's natural gas fields are likely seeping upward thousands of feet into drinking water supplies.


Though the fluids were natural and not the byproduct of drilling or hydraulic fracturing, the finding further stokes the red-hot controversy over fracking in the Marcellus Shale, suggesting that drilling waste and chemicals could migrate in ways previously thought to be impossible.


http://www.propublica.org/article/new-study-fluids-from-marcellus-shale-likely-seeping-into-pa-drinking-water


Lots more to read and see your kind of stuff

[RandyKnight]

This is the promo for an all new series on WealthTV , Disaster Pending.

This shocking program unveils a potential disaster that could affect the lives of millions by contaminating one of the largest sources of freshwater on US soil. Don't miss the premier on WealthTV on July 14th, 2012 11pm

[stumbler]

These are the same guys who had a massive in Michigan two years ago that they never did get cleaned up because the oil from tar sands sinks.

Wisconsin Oil Spill: Enbridge Energy Reports Incident

Some 1,200 barrels spill from pipeline in Wisconsin

* Spill is two years after another major Enbridge spill

* Canadian company already battling safety concerns on its line

By Timothy Gardner

WASHINGTON, July 28 (Reuters) - The U.S. pipeline safety agency launched an investigation on Saturday into an oil spill in Wisconsin on Enbridge Inc's network that forced the partial shutdown of a main artery carrying light sweet Canadian crude to Chicago-area refineries.

Enbridge's 318,000 barrel per day Line 14 pipeline, part of the Lakehead system, was shut after an estimated 1,200 barrels of oil were leaked. This happened almost two years to the day after another major spill in a different section of the line, in Michigan.

Enbridge Energy Partners said on Friday there was not yet a time frame for when flows would resume, and the cause of the spill had not yet been determined.

"(The U.S. Transportation Department's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration) is investigating the cause of the Enbridge crude oil pipeline failure in Wisconsin," spokesman Damon Hill said in an email on Saturday, adding that an inspector had been sent to the location of the pipeline failure.

Line 14 is one of four lines that ship mainly Canadian crude via Lakehead, a 2.5 million bpd network that is the principal route for Canadian exports.

The news will not help Enbridge build public trust in its network, which has come under scrutiny following several high-profile incidents, including a spill in Alberta last month and the massive leak in Michigan two years ago.

Just weeks ago, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board delivered a scathing report of Enbridge's handling of the July 2010 rupture of its Line 6B near Marshall, Michigan, which led to more than 20,000 barrels of crude leaking into the Kalamazoo River.

The NTSB said it found a complete breakdown of company safety measures, and that Enbridge employees performed like "Keystone Kops" trying to contain it. The rupture went undetected for 17 hours.

U.S. pipeline regulators fined it $3.7 million for the spill, their largest ever penalty.

The incidents have caused furor just as the company seeks approval for its C$6 billion Northern Gateway pipeline to Canada's West Coast from Alberta amid staunch opposition from environmental groups and native communities that warn against oil spills on land and in coastal waters.

Enbridge said Line 14 was a 24-inch diameter pipe that was installed in 1998, making it a relatively new line.

In most cases, smaller pipeline leaks can be repaired quickly allowing operations to resume pumping, although regulators may require significant work if they find any cause for alarm. Following the leak two years ago, the line was shut for over two months.

No injury was reported on Friday at the line, which is near Grand Marsh, Wisconsin, Enbridge said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1713668.html

[stumbler]

Is the Natural Gas Industry Buying Academics?

Last week the University of Texas provost announced he would re-examine a report by a UT professor that said fracking was safe for groundwater after the revelation that the professor pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Texas natural gas developer. It's the latest fusillade in the ongoing battle over the basic facts of fracking in America.


Texans aren't the only ones having their fracking conversations shaped by industry-funded research. Ohioans got their first taste last week of the latest public-relations campaign by the energy policy wing of the US Chamber of Commerce. It's called "Shale Works for US," and it aims to spend millions on advertising and public events to sell Ohioans on the idea that fracking is a surefire way to yank the state out of recession.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...ked-professors

[shyguyy2]

I'm fine with it. I work for Halliburton.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

I'm fine with it. I work for Halliburton.

Then you know better than most that hydraulic fracking pollutes ground water and well water.

And you should know what fracking did to Pavilion Wyoming.

Because I spent 35 years working in the oilfield including flowtesting following frac jobs and I damn sure know because I've seen it with my own eyes.

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Then you know better than most that hydraulic fracking pollutes ground water and well water.

And you should know what fracking did to Pavilion Wyoming.

Because I spent 35 years working in the oilfield including flowtesting following frac jobs and I damn sure know because I've seen it with my own eyes.

I just fixed the equipment I didn't pay any attention to what was going on. I work for them 6 moths a year or when they need emergency help. I worked for them full time in the middle east for 2 1/2 years and just semi retired.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

I just fixed the equipment I didn't pay any attention to what was going on. I work for them 6 moths a year or when they need emergency help. I worked for them full time in the middle east for 2 1/2 years and just semi retired.

How many barrels of water does a frac job take?

And what's all in that fluid anyway?

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by stumbler

How many barrels of water does a frac job take?

And what's all in that fluid anyway?

It depends on the job. I couldn't even give you a number.
I don't know whats in the fluid I actualy thought it was a mix of frac sand and water that makes a hydrolic mud. I think the problems they have with it is the crude oil seeps into the water after the rock is broke up. But I'm just a diesel mechanic I fix the trucks,loaders,trailers,generators,cranes that kind of stuff. I rarely work on the drill site.

[RandyKnight]

Brazil bans Chevron, Transocean oil activities


A Brazilian court has banned Chevron (CVX) and Transocean (RIG) from extracting or transporting oil in the country and said they have 30 days to halt their activities or face daily fines of 500M reais ($245M). The injunction is based on a request by the public prosecutor's office following a November oil spill in Chevron's offshore Frade Field.

[ridgerunner]

a few of but not all of the 54 chemicals in typical fracturing fluids in use in the US
ADDITIVE TYPEDESCRIPTION OF PURPOSEEXAMPLES OF CHEMICALSProppant“Props” open fractures and allows gas / fluids to flow more freely to the well bore.Sand [Sintered bauxite; zirconium oxide; ceramic beads]AcidCleans up perforation intervals of cement and drilling mud prior to fracturing fluid injection, and provides accessible path to formation.Hydrochloric acid (HCl, 3% to 28%) or muriatic acidBreakerReduces the viscosity of the fluid in order to release proppant into fractures and enhance the recovery of the fracturing fluid.PeroxydisulfatesBactericide / BiocideInhibits growth of organisms that could produce gases (particularly hydrogen sulfide) that could contaminate methane gas. Also prevents the growth of bacteria which can reduce the ability of the fluid to carry proppant into the fractures.Gluteraldehyde;
2-Bromo-2-nitro-1,2-propanediolBuffer / pH Adjusting AgentAdjusts and controls the pH of the fluid in order to maximize the effectiveness of other additives such as crosslinkers.Sodium or potassium carbonate; acetic acidClay Stabilizer / ControlPrevents swelling and migration of formation clays which could block pore spaces thereby reducing permeability.Salts (e.g., tetramethyl ammonium chloride) [Potassium chloride]Corrosion InhibitorReduces rust formation on steel tubing, well casings, tools, and tanks (used only in fracturing fluids that contain acid).Methanol; ammonium bisulfate for Oxygen ScavengersCrosslinkerThe fluid viscosity is increased using phosphate esters combined with metals. The metals are referred to as crosslinking agents. The increased fracturing fluid viscosity allows the fluid to carry more proppant into the fractures.Potassium hydroxide; borate saltsFriction ReducerAllows fracture fluids to be injected at optimum rates and pressures by minimizing friction.Sodium acrylate-acrylamide copolymer;
polyacrylamide (PAM); petroleum distillatesGelling AgentIncreases fracturing fluid viscosity, allowing the fluid to carry more proppant into the fractures.Guar gum; petroleum distillateIron ControlPrevents the precipitation of carbonates and sulfates (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate, barium sulfate) which could plug off the formation.Ammonium chloride; ethylene glycol; polyacrylateSolventAdditive which is soluble in oil, water & acid-based treatment fluids which is used to control the wettability of contact surfaces or to prevent or break emulsions.Various aromatic hydrocarbonsSurfactantReduces fracturing fluid surface tension thereby aiding fluid recovery.Methanol; isopropanol; ethoxylated alcohol

anf as to the quantities anywhere between 6000 and 600000 gallons for an average well
while over 20% remains unremediated

but standard drilling uses lye and other toxic chemicals as well
drilling mud is inherently toxic

and the 1 ingredient neither side will ever admit to is the abestos content


also the keystone pieline threatens several aquifers in texas and you dont hear us crying like a bunch of little bitches
hell taking a shit can kill you get over it

[shyguyy2]

The biggest thing is the oil in the formation in ND is very high quality way better than the stuff we import from the gulf and there's more of it there than the gulf ever had. I'm pissed that we don't see much of it in the states though because it gets exported. Kinda fucked up that our #1 one import is also our #1 export.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

The biggest thing is the oil in the formation in ND is very high quality way better than the stuff we import from the gulf and there's more of it there than the gulf ever had. I'm pissed that we don't see much of it in the states though because it gets exported. Kinda fucked up that our #1 one import is also our #1 export.

Very good point but you should take it one step further. Just why are we doing all this drilling and fracking for Natural Gas? The answer is right here.

Lawmakers urge Obama to help make nation an exporter of natural gas

A bipartisan group of lawmakers on Tuesday urged the Obama administration to green-light liquefied natural-gas facility construction across the country in order to turn the nation into a natural-gas exporter.


The coalition of 10 Democrats and 34 Republicans from Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Texas said the expansion of domestic shale gas production in other parts of the country has given the United States a need to find markets outside its own borders.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...al-gas-exports

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Very good point but you should take it one step further. Just why are we doing all this drilling and fracking for Natural Gas? The answer is right here.

Lawmakers urge Obama to help make nation an exporter of natural gas




http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...al-gas-exports

Whole lotta fucking sense in that...

Lets ship off cheap Nat Gas that can make us energy independent so we can buy and use dirty burning expensive oil...

No problem as Obama can not make a decision on a energy program anyway...He just talks and does nothing...

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Whole lotta fucking sense in that...

Lets ship off cheap Nat Gas that can make us energy independent so we can buy and use dirty burning expensive oil...

No problem as Obama can not make a decision on a energy program anyway...He just talks and does nothing...

I disagree with Obama not doing anything. He's definitely tried to move us away from our dependence on fossil fuels.

The United States surged back almost to the top of the renewables investment rankings, with a 57 per cent leap to $51 billion, as developers rushed to cash in on three significant incentive programmes before they expired during 2011 and 2012. After leading the world for two years, China saw its lead over the US shrink to just $1 billion in 2011, as it recorded renewable energy investment of $52 billion, up 17 per cent.

http://www.peopleandplanet.net/?lid=...on=36&topic=23

But its pretty clear the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are going to do everything they can for the coal, oil, and natural gas companies who have bought and paid for them to oppose renewable energy sources.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I disagree with Obama not doing anything. He's definitely tried to move us away from our dependence on fossil fuels.



http://www.peopleandplanet.net/?lid=...on=36&topic=23

But its pretty clear the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are going to do everything they can for the coal, oil, and natural gas companies who have bought and paid for them to oppose renewable energy sources.

You can not blame this on some hoky shit...

The fucking man had Boone Pickens before he was elected work the plan out and Obama has not done shit but talk...

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by stumbler

But its pretty clear the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress are going to do everything they can for the coal, oil, and natural gas companies who have bought and paid for them to oppose renewable energy sources.

I'm ok with renewable energy in fact 80% of my electricity comes from a wind generator on my land. But how to you plan on replaceing the thousands of jobs coal,oil and natural gas create?

[RandyKnight]

Here is why I vote for Romney...




Harold Hamm behind Romney

He worked his way up from pumping gas and car repair at Potter’s Corner in Enid[9] to becoming CEO of his own billion-dollar company. Harold Hamm has been the CEO of Continental Resources since 1967

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hamm

[shyguyy2]

[QUOTE=RandyKnight;5279974]Here is why I vote for Romney...
I will never vote for Romney EVER same with Obama. GoldmanSacks owns both of them. Nope it's Ron Paul for me. I do find Obama slightly less annoying than Romney though.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

You can not blame this on some hoky shit...

The fucking man had Boone Pickens before he was elected work the plan out and Obama has not done shit but talk...

Bullshit. There are gas stations even in Wyoming now that have LNG pumps. Entire fleets have converted to LNG. And the drilling and fracking is booming unrestricted even though the incredible damage from hydraulic fracking is abundantly clear.

And weren't you the one who already told be weeks ago about the huge liquid natural gas facility there were building down there?

Finally speaking of ol T. Boone where the fuck's his wind farm?

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Bullshit. There are gas stations even in Wyoming now that have LNG pumps. Entire fleets have converted to LNG. And the drilling and fracking is booming unrestricted even though the incredible damage from hydraulic fracking is abundantly clear.

And weren't you the one who already told be weeks ago about the huge liquid natural gas facility there were building down there?

Finally speaking of ol T. Boone where the fuck's his wind farm?

Pickens is not running for President and Obama has been pretending to be the President as far as energy policy....

the wind farm..It does no good if the Govt does not get behind a grid to it...

new finds in Nat gas make alternative energy nuts until some one comes up with one that makes sense...

T. Boone Pickens: I’ve lost my a** in wind power

Oil magnate T. Boone Pickens boasted of his oil, gas, wind and solar bona fides — and accused the president of not just having a poor national energy policy, but of having no national energy policy at all.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Pickens is not running for President and Obama has been pretending to be the President as far as energy policy....

the wind farm..It does no good if the Govt does not get behind a grid to it...

new finds in Nat gas make alternative energy nuts until some one comes up with one that makes sense...

T. Boone Pickens: I’ve lost my a** in wind power

Ok how are those new finds in natural gas supposed to make althernative energy nuts if all they're planning to do with the increased natural gas is export it?

That's what I think is nuts. Don't develop alternative energy so we can pay higher gasoline and natural gas prices here? Fuck that.

And there's another plus for renewable energy like solar and wind the greedy bastards can't export the jobs or the product.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Ok how are those new finds in natural gas supposed to make althernative energy nuts if all they're planning to do with the increased natural gas is export it?

That's what I think is nuts. Don't develop alternative energy so we can pay higher gasoline and natural gas prices here? Fuck that.

And there's another plus for renewable energy like solar and wind the greedy bastards can't export the jobs or the product.

The low cost N/G made the cost of solar and wind 10 times higher so it is nuts to use them....So until someone comes up with a low cost alternative energy it is nuts to subsidize and use it.

I don't want to export our Nat Gas either but if the govt will not get behind using it and converting then we have to do something with it or we could just let Obama kill more jobs.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

The low cost N/G made the cost of solar and wind 10 times higher so it is nuts to use them....So until someone comes up with a low cost alternative energy it is nuts to subsidize and use it.

I don't want to export our Nat Gas either but if the govt will not get behind using it and converting then we have to do something with it or we could just let Obama kill more jobs.

But the bullshit there is neither the price of oil or natural gas is going to stay that long for long. Look at what we're paying for gasoline right now. And it was only a couple years ago that natural gas was more than $12 per mcf.

This is the exact same thing we did back in the 1970's when we reached peak production. There were attempts to move towards alternative fuels back then but the oil and gas companies successfully purchased our government and brainwashed the American public into continuing to rely on foreign oil.

That was stupid then and way more stupid now.

[AZRIEL]

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by stumbler

But the bullshit there is neither the price of oil or natural gas is going to stay that long for long. Look at what we're paying for gasoline right now. And it was only a couple years ago that natural gas was more than $12 per mcf.

This is the exact same thing we did back in the 1970's when we reached peak production. There were attempts to move towards alternative fuels back then but the oil and gas companies successfully purchased our government and brainwashed the American public into continuing to rely on foreign oil.

That was stupid then and way more stupid now.

If we calculated the true cost of fossil fuels and nuclear energy, solar, geothermal and wind would be cheaper. How so?

Count the cost to our health and environment from burning fossil fuels.

Count the cost of fresh water that has to be used to cool nuclear reactors, process oil shale & tar sands and extract natural gas in hydraulic fracturing (fracking).

Count the cost of watersheds permanently contaminated with fracking fluids containing poisons, carcinogens, flammable and radioactive compounds. We don't even know everything in fracking fluids because they're considered trade secrets. Count the air pollution caused by evaporation of VOC's from fracking fluids when they're pulled back up from the wells.

Count the cost of water contaminated from mining. Count the cost of mountaintop removal. Count the cost of streams buried by mining debris. Once they're gone, they're not coming back. "Clean coal"? No such thing.

If you haven't seen it already, I recommend you watch Gasland, about fracking. here:

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/gasland_2010/

The thing that blows my mind about fracking is that if you get an offer in the mail from a company that's drilling in your area and you have well water, you might as well get as much money as you can and take it. With horizontal drilling they can drill over 8 miles away, so your water is going to be contaminated whether you let them drill on your land or not. Your just screwed. The thing that pisses me off is that the government is selling oil and gas rights for public lands for pennies and the drilling companies are polluting the land, air and water in the process of exploiting OUR LAND.

[shyguyy2]

Insted of bitching about oil we should all drive vehicals with diesel engines. They burn almost anything they'll even pull fuel out of the air. The diesel engine was made to burn organic bio fuels such as hemp oil,soy oil,ect.

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

Insted of bitching about oil we should all drive vehicals with diesel engines. They burn almost anything they'll even pull fuel out of the air. The diesel engine was made to burn organic bio fuels such as hemp oil,soy oil,ect.

No shit! In fact that's an idea. Make diesel or do methane reclamation out of shit instead of dumping feces from CAFO's (concentrated animal feeding operation) into our waterways. ANYTHING is better than just polluting the water supply. Burn it for fuel, make fertilizer, SOMETHING! If we could put a dollar value on pollution, then it would make it worthwhile for them to clean up their shit. Yes, it would probably mean you'd have to pay more for your burgers at McDonalds. I'm okay with that.

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

No shit! In fact that's an idea. Make diesel or do methane reclamation out of shit instead of dumping feces from CAFO's (concentrated animal feeding operation) into our waterways. ANYTHING is better than just polluting the water supply. Burn it for fuel, make fertilizer, SOMETHING! If we could put a dollar value on pollution, then it would make it worthwhile for them to clean up their shit. Yes, it would probably mean you'd have to pay more for your burgers at McDonalds. I'm okay with that.

The only issue I see with some of the organics as a certified master diesel mechanic is the current fuel system in diesels. Organics such as feces would need to be refined into a liquid first but used vegetable oils can already be refined and work well in the engines. Diesels can already be converted to burn natural gas so methane would work for them. I don't eat fast food so I have no issue with McDonalds raising prices.

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

The only issue I see with some of the organics as a certified master diesel mechanic is the current fuel system in diesels. Organics such as feces would need to be refined into a liquid first but used vegetable oils can already be refined and work well in the engines. Diesels can already be converted to burn natural gas so methane would work for them. I don't eat fast food so I have no issue with McDonalds raising prices.

Well there are people that run their cars on used vegetable oil. You have to install a 2 tank system on your diesel car or truck that costs about $1500, but getting the used vegetable oil should be free. Restaurants normally have to pay companies to dispose it.

It's funny. Rudolf Diesel never intended his engine to run on fossil fuel which he considered filthy. He designed his engine so that farmers could grow their own fuel for their equipment and intended it to run on peanut oil. Had he not died under suspicious circumstances (drowing in the English Channel) we might all be driving cars running on biodiesel.

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

Well there are people that run their cars on used vegetable oil. You have to install a 2 tank system on your diesel car or truck that costs about $1500, but getting the used vegetable oil should be free. Restaurants normally have to pay companies to dispose it.

It's funny. Rudolf Diesel never intended his engine to run on fossil fuel which he considered filthy. He designed his engine so that farmers could grow their own fuel for their equipment and intended it to run on peanut oil. Had he not died under suspicious circumstances (drowing in the English Channel) we might all be driving cars running on biodiesel.

Exactly, You can get a refinement system that you can store in a garge or shed for used veg oil so you don't have to convert to a two tank system. I've installed more than a few of them in cars.

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

Exactly, You can get a refinement system that you can store in a garage or shed for used veg oil so you don't have to convert to a two tank system. I've installed more than a few of them in cars.

Is that where you mix it with methanol and lye to make the glycerin separate out? Is it thin enough without being preheated? Are there any emission issues?

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

Is that where you mix it with methanol and lye to make the glycerin separate out? Is it thin enough without being preheated? Are there any emission issues?

I don't know excatly how they work but a guy I used to work with built one in his garage he had to thin it out with diesel fuel because of the cold climate. The vehicals still pass clean air emissions tests if thats what your wondering.

[ridgerunner]

Is that where you mix it with methanol and lye to make the glycerin separate out? Is it thin enough without being preheated? Are there any emission issues?

yes we use methanol and i get mine from a local brewery for $0.12/gallon
the oil comes from restraunts in the area and that is free
the 1st tank is a hold and filter tank and 2nd is a mix tank
my system has a 3rd filter tank

most areas have biodiesels set as emmissions legal
in areas where it gets cold the tanks will need to be heated or the mix placed at b20 or less mixed with fossil fuel diesel to be able to use it regularly but some vehicle mounted tanks have built in heaters
all of my trucks and tractors use b100 and luckily i live in a warm climate so heaters are not needed but i do have them

[shyguyy2]

I personaly don't run homemade bio fuel in my vehicals but my pickups,trucks,tractors and combines could if I wanted too. I just run whatever the farmers co-op delivers to the farm and pay the bill. They usualy deliver a bio fuel in the sping but in the fall I change back to regular diesel because even that has it's issues in -30 degree minnesota weather.

[ridgerunner]

in minnesota running bio-fuels yaer roung isnt the best idea due to the winters and thier effect on the viscosity
i prefer biodeisel because i can make it myself to ensure the quality and because its a HELL of alot cheaper
regular deisel is about $4/gallon and i drive at least 300,000 miles per year
and the b100 helps lubricate the pistons so my engine lasts longer and it makes people hungry

ethanol is typicly made from corn and contains particulates that destry engines and feul/ exhaust systems so i refuse to buy a gasoline vehicle

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

in minnesota running bio-fuels yaer roung isnt the best idea due to the winters and thier effect on the viscosity
i prefer biodeisel because i can make it myself to ensure the quality and because its a HELL of alot cheaper
regular deisel is about $4/gallon and i drive at least 300,000 miles per year
and the b100 helps lubricate the pistons so my engine lasts longer and it makes people hungry

ethanol is typicly made from corn and contains particulates that destry engines and feul/ exhaust systems so i refuse to buy a gasoline vehicle

I don't keep track of my miles but I burn about 10,000+/- a few hundred gallons/year with the farm my traveling. I buy in bulk so I pay about $3/gallon. I have a smaller bulk tank for gas because I have some old tractors that burn it and a few cars that burn it. I keep track of hours for service.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

Well there are people that run their cars on used vegetable oil. You have to install a 2 tank system on your diesel car or truck that costs about $1500, but getting the used vegetable oil should be free. Restaurants normally have to pay companies to dispose it.

It's funny. Rudolf Diesel never intended his engine to run on fossil fuel which he considered filthy. He designed his engine so that farmers could grow their own fuel for their equipment and intended it to run on peanut oil. Had he not died under suspicious circumstances (drowing in the English Channel) we might all be driving cars running on biodiesel.

Actually Diesel ran his original engine hemp seed oil and Henry Ford used ethanol made from hemp.

But that was before John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil dumped more than a million (1920) dollars into making sure Prohibition passed which ended the use alcohol for a fuel and guaranteed him and the other oil barrons a virtual monopoly on fuel which they still have and protect top this very day.

PS We could still provide 90% of our petroleum needs with bio mass production of hemp which has been known since 1905 I believe.

[ridgerunner]

unfortunately the growth and use of hemp in the us is illegal
the uses of hemp outweigh the desire of the politicians to control everything, clothing, paper products, fuels

tell them you want hemp legalized

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

unfortunately the growth and use of hemp in the us is illegal
the uses of hemp outweigh the desire of the politicians to control everything, clothing, paper products, fuels

tell them you want hemp legalized

I think farmers can grow hemp in North Dakota but it's very restricted and heavily regulated. I live a hour from the border with ND so I hear things.

[ridgerunner]

ok i had to doublecheck it and i was incorrect it can be grown in north dakota according to state laws however the federal laws say no

North Dakota Hemp Law
Laws Authorizing Commercial Hemp Cultivation

Year Passed: 1999
Summary: The North Dakota Legislature approved House Bill 1428 recognizing industrial hemp having no more than 0.3 percent THC as an "oilseed." This legislation also establishes licensing procedures to allow local farmers to grow hemp commercially. Applicants must complete a criminal history check, and any person with a prior criminal conviction is not eligible for licensure.

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Originally Posted by ridgerunner

unfortunately the growth and use of hemp in the us is illegal
the uses of hemp outweigh the desire of the politicians to control everything, clothing, paper products, fuels

tell them you want hemp legalized

Here are the real reasons Hemp (what propagandists called Marijuana).

First and foremost because one acre of hemp (renewable annually) is more productive than four acres of trees (which take a minimum of 5 years to grow) when it comes to manufacturing paper. That's why Hurst lead the campaign against Marijuana. He owned the newspapers, the newspaper manufacturing plants, and millions of trees to make it out of.

Second. We can supply 90% of our energy needs with bio mass production of hemp.

Third. Hemp fiber is much stronger and better than cotton for textile manufacturing.

Fourth. There are more than 100 naturally occurring chemicals in hemp that can be naturally extracted. DuPont Chemical didn't like that. They manufacture them synthetically.

Fifth. SOME Hemp plants can produce a state of natural intoxication that has no addictive properties and minimal medical damage.

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Originally Posted by shyguyy2

I think farmers can grow hemp in North Dakota but it's very restricted and heavily regulated. I live a hour from the border with ND so I hear things.

Now I'm not sure specifically about North Dakota but the US government has sponsored growing both Hemp and what they call marijuana since the 1970's at least.

That's how they know that hemp produces 10 times the amount of ethanol than corn and can be produced for about $1.47 per gallon in today's rates.

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Originally Posted by RandyKnight

The low cost N/G made the cost of solar and wind 10 times higher so it is nuts to use them....So until someone comes up with a low cost alternative energy it is nuts to subsidize and use it.

I don't want to export our Nat Gas either but if the govt will not get behind using it and converting then we have to do something with it or we could just let Obama kill more jobs.

Look so far you've known more about what's happening with natural gas and oil than I do. And I appreciate your expertise in those areas. But, I just can't agree that we're not making any progress on new energies.

Take a look at this would you and tell me where its wrong.

But business groups say that U.S. wind turbine manufacturing has grown 12-fold since 2005, and the American Wind Energy Association recently announced that U.S. wind energy production has passed the 50 gigawatt mark -- enough to power nearly 13 million homes, or "as many as in Nevada, Colorado, Wisconsin, Virginia, Alabama, and Connecticut combined."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08...with-it/189251

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Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

No shit! In fact that's an idea. Make diesel or do methane reclamation out of shit instead of dumping feces from CAFO's (concentrated animal feeding operation) into our waterways. ANYTHING is better than just polluting the water supply. Burn it for fuel, make fertilizer, SOMETHING! If we could put a dollar value on pollution, then it would make it worthwhile for them to clean up their shit. Yes, it would probably mean you'd have to pay more for your burgers at McDonalds. I'm okay with that.

I've put this on another thread already today but we can supply 90% of our PETROLEUM needs (that's really important because it includes both lubricants and diesel) with bio mass production of Hemp and that's been know since the 1920's at least.

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Texas Posse Hunting for Halliburton’s Missing Radioactive Device

Texas may call out the National Guard in the hunt for a seven-inch radioactive rod used in drilling natural-gas wells, lost this week by Halliburton Co. (HAL) somewhere in a 130-mile swath of the state’s western oil fields.



The Texas Department of State Health Services said yesterday it sought help from an Austin-based National Guard unit that has equipment to locate the radioactive item, which can pose a health risk if touched or held for several days.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...est-texas.html