Obama blocks military vote

[Tommiecd]

So why is Obama and the democrats suing the state of Ohio to keep military personnel from voting in the general election early? I thought you democrats said Obama wants every vote to count. Lets hear the spin on this one.

[RandyKnight]

Why not show us a link to what you talk about because it is new to me...

[Tommiecd]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Why not show us a link to what you talk about because it is new to me...

On July 17,2012 The Obama campaign, the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party filed suit in Ohio to strike down a new Ohio law granting military personnel 3 extra days to vote. It is public record.

[MNCountryboy]

This has already been discused on other threads

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Tommiecd

On July 17,2012 The Obama campaign, the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party filed suit in Ohio to strike down a new Ohio law granting military personnel 3 extra days to vote. It is public record.

Good then show me the fucking link...

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Why not show us a link to what you talk about because it is new to me...

Actually its not new. It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now.

It stems from more GOP voter suppression efforts which ended early voting for all Ohio residents. The Obama Campaign has challenged that in court saying all Ohio residents including active duty members and veterans should be allowed to vote early.

Experts: Romney’s wrong on Ohio early-voting suit The Romney campaign and veterans groups opposed to a lawsuit in Ohio filed by President Barack Obama's campaign continue to portray the suit as an objection to certain voting privileges for military voters.


But two constitutional-law professors from different battleground states - Ohio and Florida - strongly disagree with the Romney campaign, and some other veterans groups say that Romney is supporting denial of voting access to hundreds of thousands of Ohio military veterans by opposing Obama's lawsuit.

Diane H. Mazur, author, military veteran and law professor at the University of Florida, called the Romney campaign's argument "inaccurate and silly," referring to federal voting-rights protections provided to military personnel by the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...o-VoteVets-org

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Tommiecd

So why is Obama and the democrats suing the state of Ohio to keep military personnel from voting in the general election early? I thought you democrats said Obama wants every vote to count. Lets hear the spin on this one.

Ok asswipe what do you say about stumblers answer..?

Originally Posted by stumbler

Actually its not new. It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now.

It stems from more GOP voter suppression efforts which ended early voting for all Ohio residents. The Obama Campaign has challenged that in court saying all Ohio residents including active duty members and veterans should be allowed to vote early.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...o-VoteVets-org

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reasons I ask for a link....

all the fucking lies on both sides of this shit it is getting hard to find the truth from any side of this vote....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Ok asswipe what do you say about stumblers answer..?



reasons I ask for a link....

all the fucking lies on both sides of this shit it is getting hard to find the truth from any side of this vote....

Just like the bogus lie that President Obama cut Medicare by $700 billion. Medicare benefits are not effected at all by that. The $700 billion cited by the Obama Administration comes from future savings from cracking down on Medicare fraud and over payments to hospitals and medical suppliers.

Now, Paul Ryan's plan also cites those savings but they truly are a cut to medicare because the money saved goes to pay for tax cuts to the rich and not the medicare program.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Actually its not new. It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now.

It stems from more GOP voter suppression efforts which ended early voting for all Ohio residents. The Obama Campaign has challenged that in court saying all Ohio residents including active duty members and veterans should be allowed to vote early.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...o-VoteVets-org

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Some of the Back and Forth on Obama/the Democrats' Lawsuit and Early Voting for Military Service Members in Ohio

On July 17, 2012, Obama for America and the Democratic National Committee filed suit against the Attorney General and Secretary of State of Ohio. In their lawsuit, the Obama campaign and the DNC argue it is “arbitrary” and unconstitutional to provide three extra days of early, in-person voting to military voters and their families. At least 20 times in their legal papers, they argue that there is no good reason to give special flexibility to military voters – and that this policy adopted by the Ohio legislature is so wrong it is unconstitutional.

http://www.p2012.org/states/docs/vet...g080212pr.html


It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now,,,,OR IS IT??

[Heyesey]

I see no good reason to provide extra time for in-person voting to any group. The polls should either be open, or not be open.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Some of the Back and Forth on Obama/the Democrats' Lawsuit and Early Voting for Military Service Members in Ohio

http://www.p2012.org/states/docs/vet...g080212pr.html


It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now,,,,OR IS IT??

You skipped over the par where active duty military people already have exceptions of their own.

This was simply an attempt to keep minorities from voting because they might vote for democrats.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

I see no good reason to provide extra time for in-person voting to any group. The polls should either be open, or not be open.

Hey if that's all they were doing I'd agree. But that's not what they are doing. They are literally making it easier for people who might vote conservative to vote while systematically trying to make if harder for minorities, the elderly, and young voters to vote because they might vote for liberals.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

You skipped over the par where active duty military people already have exceptions of their own.

This was simply an attempt to keep minorities from voting because they might vote for democrats.

Sure it is,,

[lenben]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Hey if that's all they were doing I'd agree. But that's not what they are doing. They are literally making it easier for people who might vote conservative to vote while systematically trying to make if harder for minorities, the elderly, and young voters to vote because they might vote for liberals.

If all currently eligible voters were actually to vote, Obama would win by a hugh majority. The right wing knows this, cannot convince voters to vote their way by facts, logic or good sense, so the only way they can win is to drum up phoney issues like fraudulent voting and then use tricks to deny the ability to vote to those most likely to vote against them. We have slipped back into the era of the poll tax and literacy tests for the ability to vote which was used against blacks for so many years. So much for America as a model democracy. Welcome to the moneyed aristocracy!

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by lenben

If all currently eligible voters were actually to vote, Obama would win by a hugh majority. The right wing knows this, cannot convince voters to vote their way by facts, logic or good sense, so the only way they can win is to drum up phoney issues like fraudulent voting and then use tricks to deny the ability to vote to those most likely to vote against them. We have slipped back into the era of the poll tax and literacy tests for the ability to vote which was used against blacks for so many years. So much for America as a model democracy. Welcome to the moneyed aristocracy!

You are actually exactly right about this as opposed to my blinded old buddy Ace up there. Who cites examples of voting fraud using absentee ballots while being too much of a brainwashed parrot to realize that not one of the voting suppression efforts address absentee voter fraud because once again the most fraudulent form of voting fraud favors conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers.

All the voter ID laws and cancelling early voting

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Hey if that's all they were doing I'd agree. But that's not what they are doing. They are literally making it easier for people who might vote conservative to vote while systematically trying to make if harder for minorities, the elderly, and young voters to vote because they might vote for liberals.

Well I don't pretend to know the truth about who is accusing whom of having used what laws to prevent which groups from voting. I'm not American. I'm just making an objective statement.

Maybe Romney and Obama would like to comment on my statement as it stands, instead of accusing each other of doing stuff. (Not that either of them is likely to be hanging around the general discussions section of a porn forum...)

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Well I don't pretend to know the truth about who is accusing whom of having used what laws to prevent which groups from voting. I'm not American. I'm just making an objective statement.

Maybe Romney and Obama would like to comment on my statement as it stands, instead of accusing each other of doing stuff. (Not that either of them is likely to be hanging around the general discussions section of a porn forum...)

But here's a handy example of the opposite. The (federal) Justice Department is taking most these new laws to court because they do obviously discriminate.

However, the state of Virginia passed a voter ID law that the Justice Department just singed off on because it did not discriminate.

Justice Department Approves Va. Voter ID Law




http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed

[Tommiecd]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Ok asswipe what do you say about stumblers answer..?



reasons I ask for a link....

all the fucking lies on both sides of this shit it is getting hard to find the truth from any side of this vote....

Is this person 18? I find that difficult to believe. I think we have a child surfing a porn site here. I base this on the name calling and foul language used.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by Tommiecd

Is this person 18? I find that difficult to believe. I think we have a child surfing a porn site here. I base this on the name calling and foul language used.

you must not get on here much, because if you did, you'd see a whole lot worse from ace and the other conservatives.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Some of the Back and Forth on Obama/the Democrats' Lawsuit and Early Voting for Military Service Members in Ohio

http://www.p2012.org/states/docs/vet...g080212pr.html


It's a completely bogus lie the Romney Campaign has been trying smear President Obama with for about a month now,,,,OR IS IT??

funny, isn't it ace, how you don't post all of the material you link to, only the stuff that makes you look like you're telling the truth?
here's a short quote from the memo you sort of left out:
"Romney said in the statement: “President Obama’s lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period is an outrage." The problem is, however, is that the lawsuit attempts to do no such thing. Filed in mid-July, the lawsuit asks a federal court to restore in-person early voting rights to all eligible Ohio voters on the three days leading up to Election Day. The lawsuit doesn't seek to stop members of the military from voting in person during that period. Rather, the lawsuit seeks to require Ohio to give other votes the same opportunity to vote"
sure looks like Obama is trying to stop the military from voting,doesn't it?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by signatory12

funny, isn't it ace, how you don't post all of the material you link to, only the stuff that makes you look like you're telling the truth?
here's a short quote from the memo you sort of left out:
"Romney said in the statement: “President Obama’s lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period is an outrage." The problem is, however, is that the lawsuit attempts to do no such thing. Filed in mid-July, the lawsuit asks a federal court to restore in-person early voting rights to all eligible Ohio voters on the three days leading up to Election Day. The lawsuit doesn't seek to stop members of the military from voting in person during that period. Rather, the lawsuit seeks to require Ohio to give other votes the same opportunity to vote"
sure looks like Obama is trying to stop the military from voting,doesn't it?

What is NOT funny, is you are too stupid to understand, that what you quoted, is from an entirely different ''PRESS RELEASE''.....A press release that has the ultimate 'leftists spin'....TROLL.

[ridgerunner]

if you do not agree with ace he will call you a liberal leftist
if you do agree with ace he will call you a liar

ace you are a complete and total republican retard
do you have a republican endorsed dildo that your boyfriend fucks you with?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

if you do not agree with ace he will call you a liberal leftist
if you do agree with ace he will call you a liar

ace you are a complete and total republican retard
do you have a republican endorsed dildo that your boyfriend fucks you with?

It'll be OK,,,as soon as you 'liberal leftists' realize it.

[ridgerunner]

ace im not liberal or leftist i dont give a flying fuck about parties or sides
so cut the bullshit act asshat

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

ace im not liberal or leftist i dont give a flying fuck about parties or sides
so cut the bullshit act asshat

You can prove that to me, by NOT defending every fucking leftist talking point can you can conjure up.....Do you want to try it again??

[ridgerunner]

i dont defend left or right i simply link to what i find on both
but the republican faithfull take it all as liberal tripe and dismiss it without reading a word of it
i do the same to democrats

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

i dont defend left or right i simply link to what i find on both

BULLSHIT,,,,,I have not seen anything of the like.

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

but the republican faithfull take it all as liberal tripe and dismiss it without reading a word of it

Absolutely,,,,the leftist talking point are over 3 years old, while being debunked.

The leftist media repeats the same ole' talking points, over and over and over,,,,defending the leftist savior, Obama and if it is debated by anyone,,which it generally is,,the left comes out with the same old shit,,claiming racism,,this is an old story with new names defending the left.

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

i do the same to democrats

YEAH.....

[Heyesey]

Is there anything in all this mess that we can actually agree on?


Point: Ohio State has enacted rules which allow a 3-day extension for military personnel to vote, but not for anybody else.

Point: the Democrats have filed a lawsuit to prevent that extension existing for the military only; it should be everyone or nobody.

Does everyone, GOP or Dem, agree on that much? (And if not, can anyone provide details of exactly what I got wrong?)
If so, then we can argue about whether the extension should exist. If we can't even agree on what the position is, it's completely stupid trying to discuss our opinion of that position.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Is there anything in all this mess that we can actually agree on?


Point: Ohio State has enacted rules which allow a 3-day extension for military personnel to vote, but not for anybody else.

I'll absolutely agree to this..

Point: the Democrats have filed a lawsuit to prevent that extension existing for the military only; it should be everyone or nobody.

Does everyone, GOP or Dem, agree on that much? (And if not, can anyone provide details of exactly what I got wrong?)
If so, then we can argue about whether the extension should exist. If we can't even agree on what the position is, it's completely stupid trying to discuss our opinion of that position.

This I wont agree with.

Ohio has specifically enacted a rule for a specific entity,, not as a collective, as well a sit should be,,the military votes for BOTH parties.

For the record,,the mail in ballots should be eliminated,,,except for legally voting overseas persons.... And the dead people that need to cast a ballot beyond the grave.

[ridgerunner]

in country soldiers and thier families should not be allowed extra days to vote for any reason
all "war games" or training manuvers should be scheduled accordingly

any law or ordinance to allow any extentions of legal voting periods should be outlawed as violations of law regarding fair and equal voting rights

no one group should be allowed the right or privilage of an extention of voting dates or places other than those allowed by federal law and no state should be allowed to infringe upon or supercede on those rights and laws in any way

all voters should be required to show valid photo ID and voter registration prior to being allowed to vote

he electoral college should also be dissolved in that the electoral college is no longer nesceary for the voting process

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

This I wont agree with.

Do you mean you don't agree that it's what the lawsuit says, or that you don't agree that it should have been filed?

[sunnylala]

any waysssss he is sexyyyyyyyy

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Do you mean you don't agree that it's what the lawsuit says, or that you don't agree that it should have been filed?

I do not agree with the reason for the fictitious lawsuit that the Democratic National Committee filed.

[shyguy2.0]

Obama is my Commander in Chief. I will respect his word and defend it with my life.
































Or at least I used to.
That was before my shins were taken from me back in '65 when I was in Da Nang.
Now I just fight the terrorist from one of my multi-million dollar tractors I keep hidden all around the world.
OORah!

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I do not agree with the reason for the fictitious lawsuit that the Democratic National Committee filed.

I don't pretend to know the reason behind it. Democrats will say it's out of fairness and Republicans will say it isn't.

But what does the lawsuit actually require? That all groups, military and non-military, get the same amount of time to vote, yes?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

I don't pretend to know the reason behind it. Democrats will say it's out of fairness and Republicans will say it isn't.

That's right..

Everything needs to be 'FAIR' with the leftists,,is it 'fair' that I have blonde hair and my son has dark hair??

Originally Posted by Heyesey

But what does the lawsuit actually require? That all groups, military and non-military, get the same amount of time to vote, yes?

That's exactly what the leftists are 'requiring' through this fictitious lawsuit. At least that is exactly what Axlerod was saying about it on a talk show.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

That's right..

Everything needs to be 'FAIR' with the leftists

Er, no. Everything needs to be fair with everybody. No politician on earth is going to say that you should support his policies because they are unfair...

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Er, no. Everything needs to be fair with everybody. No politician on earth is going to say that you should support his policies because they are unfair...

SO,,,everyone needs to make a assload of money or should the wealthy just give their money to those that have not or never will make as much as the wealthy has or is making?

I dont care for the term ''FAIR'',,,it's either just or it is not.

The military deserve more than this country is giving them, along with their families, and that has nothing to do with ''FAIR'',, it has everything to do with ''BEING JUST''.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

What is NOT funny, is you are too stupid to understand, that what you quoted, is from an entirely different ''PRESS RELEASE''.....A press release that has the ultimate 'leftists spin'....TROLL.

so, I guess everyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll now, ace? wow, that must make, what, 99% of the folks on here (and a little higher percentage in the 'real world')?
as to the press release I quoted being "the ultimate 'leftists spin'", I guess it's only people on the "left" who spin, and of course everything published by the Right is Gospel Truth?
yeah, don't you wish!

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

if you do not agree with ace he will call you a liberal leftist
if you do agree with ace he will call you a liar

ace you are a complete and total republican retard
do you have a republican endorsed dildo that your boyfriend fucks you with?

probably not. after all, he's got Thik and CS on here to take care of his "needs".

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Er, no. Everything needs to be fair with everybody. No politician on earth is going to say that you should support his policies because they are unfair...

forget it, in ace's pea-sized mind, everything is a "leftist liberal" conspiracy, and reasoning with him is like trying to reason with a brick bat.
that he doesn't know Thing One that he's talking about is just par for the course with him. so don't be amazed that he'll keep denying the truth, even when it's right in front of his face, it's just his way of dealing with the unpleasant reality of being a nothing.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by signatory12

forget it, in ace's pea-sized mind, everything is a "leftist liberal" conspiracy, and reasoning with him is like trying to reason with a brick bat.
that he doesn't know Thing One that he's talking about is just par for the course with him. so don't be amazed that he'll keep denying the truth, even when it's right in front of his face, it's just his way of dealing with the unpleasant reality of being a nothing.

tolerant-liberals.jpg

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Attachment 1955686

yeah, and this from the guy who spends almost 100% of his time on here trying to shout down anyone who doesn't agree with him!
yeah, real convincing..................

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by signatory12

yeah, and this from the guy who spends almost 100% of his time on here trying to shout down anyone who doesn't agree with him!
yeah, real convincing..................

Listen you lil' fucker,, that is not true at all,,,25% of the time,,I'm researching true 100% authentic titties,,admittedly some are not authentic.....And my research shall continue,,searching for the ''PERFECT SET OF TITTIES''

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I dont care for the term ''FAIR'',,,it's either just or it is not.

Fair and just mean the same thing. Do you not have access to a dictionary?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Fair and just mean the same thing. Do you not have access to a dictionary?

Did I say that it didn't mean the same thing??

''FAIR'' reminds me of a 1st grade teacher telling their students '' It's not fair that you have 2 toys to play with, and everyone else only has 1 toy to play with,,,it's just not ''FAIR''

[ridgerunner]

from websters unabridged dictionary
Definition of FAIR

1
: pleasing to the eye or mind especially because of fresh, charming, or flawless quality

2
: superficially pleasing : specious <she trusted his fair promises>

3
a: clean, pure <fair sparkling water> b: clear, legible

4
: not stormy or foul : fine <fair weather>

5
: ample <a fair estate>

6
a: marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism <a very fair person to do business with> b (1): conforming with the established rules : allowed (2): consonant with merit or importance : due <a fair share> c: open to legitimate pursuit, attack, or ridicule <fair game>

7
a: promising, likely <in a fair way to win> b: favorable to a ship's course <a fair wind>

8
archaic: free of obstacles

9
: not dark <fair skin>

10
a: sufficient but not ample : adequate <a fair understanding of the work> b: moderately numerous, large, or significant <takes a fair amount of time>

11
: being such to the utmost : utter <a fair treat to watch him — New Republic>





Definition of JUST

1
a: having a basis in or conforming to fact or reason : reasonable <a just but not a generous decision> barchaic: faithful to an original c: conforming to a standard of correctness : proper <just proportions>

2
a (1): acting or being in conformity with what is morally upright or good : righteous <a just war> (2): being what is merited : deserved <a just punishment> b: legally correct : lawful <just title to an estate>

— just·lyadverb
— just·ness \ˈjəs(t)-nəs\noun

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Did I say that it didn't mean the same thing?

Yes.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'll absolutely agree to this..

This I wont agree with.

Ohio has specifically enacted a rule for a specific entity,, not as a collective, as well a sit should be,,the military votes for BOTH parties.

For the record,,the mail in ballots should be eliminated,,,except for legally voting overseas persons.... And the dead people that need to cast a ballot beyond the grave.

Hey Ace why should someone in the military or military veterans have more voting privileges than any other citizen?

Aren't we all created equal under our Constitution.

And this isn't about allowing Military or veterans to vote early. Its just more GOP voter suppression trying to steal the election because they cannot win it on a platform of attacking women's rights, increasing taxes on the middle class, ending Medicare as we know it, all to just give more tax breaks to the wealthy.

A majority of people are opposed to all that so all they can do is try and keep people that will vote against them from voting at all.

Plus don't forget this entire voter suppression campaign came right out of the American Legislative Council.

[Geraldo]

a girl, a stripper, told me about two weeks ago she is studying socialism. whether or not this has been an inspired decision, probably. i was a bit speechless really but what i would have liked to have told her was that i am an enemy of god, an enemy of the state, and an enemy of the people, in that order. orion, part of the central intelligence agency, an orbiting reconnaissance satellite is six hundred kilometers up in the sky. i would have liked for her to have understood that how else can a psych war be fought by an intelligence agency in an urban environment without socialism? the battlefield laid out below them is not a desert, it is a city, it is like a sandbox full of toys. socialism is just natural, it should be no surprise and nothing special, and maybe one day i will have it work for me or just end the game completely and move on.

as for obama, shouldn't have believed the hype and yes even i was suckered in. he has failed, a liar, a murderer... clinton, emanuel and kerry? that was the change you believed in? it comes down to this and that is it can be a fight for survival out there against a government and a president that really does want you gone.

i think there is a high probability there will be another four years of leadership of that man.