"Innocence of Muslims''

[Capnip-Everdeen]

I watched several minutes of this film, and it was so stupid. Why did these musilims get so passed? I have to think they were just waiting for any little thing to start a riot.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Capnip-Everdeen

I watched several minutes of this film, and it was so stupid. Why did these musilims get so passed? I have to think they were just waiting for any little thing to start a riot.

It was used an as excuse to riot, not that they need a reason. But this is the way animals act.

[ipscout]

That dog might bite, you better muslim.

[Alabamajim]

I hear some country is putting out new cartoons...we all should flood the web with anti- Mo cartoons.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Alabamajim

I hear some country is putting out new cartoons...we all should flood the web with anti- Mo cartoons.

France, I've read. The French government said something like, "We cherish freedom of expression and abhor censorship, but we're gonna censor it anyway."

Jerks.

I tried to watch thirty seconds of that film. Boring low-grade swill. Of course the producers paid for an overdubbed Muslim version. Who knows what that one says? For all we know, they could have overdubbed "Cast of Characters" with "Mohammed is Satan!"

[cherokeedass]

don't mess with muslim!!!!

[Tightcuntlover]

Originally Posted by ipscout

That dog might bite

Which dog?

A dog called Kaiser Chief perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE

[Ed Itor]

They be good Muslims as Mohamed had told his followers to not lash out at those that ridicule you for your belief. In fact he & his followers had been assaulted and thrown out of cities, some even killed.
There is an Imam currently trying to bring reason over there, but he'll end up dead and the blame will be put on The West.

[richief]

They do not understand the concept of freedom of speech, they have all grown in countries where free speech and opposing religions are not tolerated. They are ignorant of the fact that you and many others mock their religion daily with no fear of reprisals.

Ignore them they will soon quieten down when they find the next thing to moan about.

I am waiting for the first "They are trying to ban Xmas......." thread. Such moaning over such trivial things.

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by richief

They do not understand the concept of freedom of speech, they have all grown in countries where free speech and opposing religions are not tolerated. They are ignorant of the fact that you and many others mock their religion daily with no fear of reprisals.

Ignore them they will soon quieten down when they find the next thing to moan about.

I am waiting for the first "They are trying to ban Xmas......." thread. Such moaning over such trivial things.

concept of freedom of speech?!

u see i have always heard ppl saying "haters gonna hate" and despise why u hating us but u are a living prove that who ever said that was an absolutely genius

if u call the movie that insulted our prophet "freedom of speech" then the concept of the phrase is so fucked up to u

[Diaxis]

Islam is a great religion if you're an angry, backwards goat herder. They're pissed because they know just enough about western civilization to know the infidels have left them behind technologically, and they have no one to blame but their backwards ass selves. I think there is a confidence issue here, and the solution for them is to silence anyone they disagree with.

[Diaxis]

Originally Posted by RedRats

if u call the movie that insulted our prophet "freedom of speech" then the concept of the phrase is so fucked up to u

There are NO sacred concepts. If Allah really exists, he pretty obviously doesn't do anything on your behalf, or you wouldn't be miserable all the time. Food for thought. You're getting all excited, hooting and hollering, dancing in the street, shooting guns and attacking people, and for what? A God that doesn't exist? That's pretty damn pathetic.

[Ed Itor]

They will all soon be poorer than dirt as Western tourists will not go to any of these lands and in Egypt's case most of its income comes from Western tourists.

The thing that most Westerners forget is that these countries have no concept of Democracy as they have never really had it. They've been led by dictatorships in disguise and when the curtain is pulled away they just put in another clown to lead them, ad nausea. Freedom is a concept that is foreign to them and they cannot understand it.

Hell they don't even believe in their prophet as they follow teachings that were not his but his Father-in-laws. Even though he told them to listen to no on after him as he was the last prophet.

The Jin is gleefully awaiting their souls and they will be destroyed by the Mahdi & Jesus for their false followings of The Books.

[ThomP]

Originally Posted by Ed Itor

The Jin is gleefully awaiting their souls and they will be destroyed by the Mahdi & Jesus for their false followings of The Books.

I don't know whether to or !

[Ed Itor]

Originally Posted by ThomP

I don't know whether to or !

Do Both, it can't hurt and you don't feel cheated emotionally.

[sherbeni]

ofcourse it was stupid movie . tell you something else it was first shown on a religious channel the broadcaster showed some minutes of it and no one in egypt had known about it before this man showed it so many people called for a peaceful protest at the american embassy to protest about this movie but our police force still stupid they bombard us with tear gas and bullets so the protest turned to street war . these was the currents

my comment is that why we always want to insult others religions . why don't we respect others religions . 2 years ago egyptian newspaper has made acartoon on the israeli pm with a peg face the israeli Foreign Ministry has blamed egypt for this and called us racial. what you don't understand is that we don't accept to make fun of our religions or anything associate with it

[MaskedStranger]

they did take that film a bit to serious lol
im sure their are worse videos

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by Diaxis

Islam is a great religion if you're an angry, backwards goat herder. They're pissed because they know just enough about western civilization to know the infidels have left them behind technologically, and they have no one to blame but their backwards ass selves. I think there is a confidence issue here, and the solution for them is to silence anyone they disagree with.

So we hate u coz u have more technology way more than ass and we still goat herding right?!

*Japan , the most amazing county any1 can see , if u do not believe me get on a plan and take a look trust me u will be amazed

Malaysia , one hell of recent developing country , their economy is one of the best now

and there are many many others , do u see us hate them?! going to their embassies to protest

please if u gonna talk about us "muslims / arabs" hating US , at least be reasonable enough and set the right reasons

Originally Posted by Diaxis

There are NO sacred concepts. If Allah really exists, he pretty obviously doesn't do anything on your behalf, or you wouldn't be miserable all the time. Food for thought. You're getting all excited, hooting and hollering, dancing in the street, shooting guns and attacking people, and for what? A God that doesn't exist? That's pretty damn pathetic.

Allah do not take any1 side who does not deserve it , why should Allah be on our side? i mean we are not working to improve ourselves , we are weak countries coz of our laziness , we are even hardly muslims any more

dancing in street , shooting gun and attacking people is not islam , and not even close , believe it or not our religion is a religion of mercy despise what is being told in ur media

[Pandorius999]

By all means keep protesting. Break your houses torch shops and cars and kill people. In other words destroy your own country so the world can ger some entertainment.

[richief]

Originally Posted by RedRats

concept of freedom of speech?!

u see i have always heard ppl saying "haters gonna hate" and despise why u hating us but u are a living prove that who ever said that was an absolutely genius

if u call the movie that insulted our prophet "freedom of speech" then the concept of the phrase is so fucked up to u

How is the concept of the phrase "freedom of speech" fucked up by allowing someone to show his poorly made and ill conceived film. I would say that it shows the phrase in a shining light and that it not only is for acceptable ideas. All religions enjoy the freedom of expression in the US, they are allowed to say what the hell they want, as long as it does not incite people to commit crimes.

Where you live do they allow all religions to have a voice, I have been to Saudi and fought in their sand and dirt, I helped them liberate their neighbour, I asked no thank-you. What did shock and appal me was when the Regimental Padre wanted to hold an ecumenical drum head service for the religious amongst us he had to go deep into the dessert to hold it. Why because the locals viewed the practice of christianity as a crime, and we did not want to upset our hosts, you know those muslims we had flown in to help and rescue.

Like I said you have no idea about the ideals of free speech, you seem to think it is fine as long as it does not conflict with you and your ideals, when it does conflict you tell the opposition to shut up and be quiet or be prosecuted. In the case of this film all you can do is attack US embassies and consulates, burn flags and destroy your own property, and why, because your religious ideals have been openly mocked.

Poor you, just think how good and great you could be if you did not have to obey a bunch of people who can only read one book and that is learnt parrot fashion and not by understanding the nuances of the language.

Your religion, like all religions is nothing but a means of controlling the population.

[enndaley]

They obviously love to riot. They aren't even all that concerned who winds up getting killed during the course of the rioting: Americans, Europeans, Canadians, each other. I wonder if there's an Islamic phrase equivalent to the English "Let's fuck shit up!"?

"Hey-I lit myself on fire while I was burning the American flag-woohah!"

[spjames]

Fomenting a riot is not covered under the 1st amendments freedom of speech clause.

[spjames]

Originally Posted by enndaley

They obviously love to riot. They aren't even all that concerned who winds up getting killed during the course of the rioting: Americans, Europeans, Canadians, each other. I wonder if there's an Islamic phrase equivalent to the English "Let's fuck shit up!"?

"Hey-I lit myself on fire while I was burning the American flag-woohah!"

Hooliganism. The folks in the UK use that term quite a bit.

[imported__2355]

Originally Posted by Capnip-Everdeen

I watched several minutes of this film, and it was so stupid. Why did these musilims get so passed? I have to think they were just waiting for any little thing to start a riot.

This poor excuse for a beginner cinematography student's first try depicts Mohammad had only about 6,000 hits until it was translated into Arabic. Then someone in the middle east got hold of it and started screaming about how it defamed Mohammad and Islam.

It's a fact that Islam forbids depictions of Mohammad, Allah and humans in general, one reason their geometric designs and architecture is so striking. Artists exist in all cultures and express themselves in whatever medium is available from cave paintings to my CGI depictions.

But the level this jumped to was something else entirely. A suggestion I heard over the weekend was that some groups like Al Queada and some religious leaders spend a good deal of their timer searching the media for items just like this and using them to gin up crowds when they want a demonstration.

Today some Pakistani official, Railway Official Haji Bilour, offered a bounty of $100,000 to anyone who killed the film's producer. I can sympathize if his criticism of it is based on artistic objections. But not if he's just another hate monger.
People doing that are committing blasphemy with the insincerity of their piety, and if Allah really exists he's going to put the boots to these guys the first chance he gets.

[proof2006]

Reminds me of that south park episode. 201

[daverjax]

Cap, you hit the nail on the head.

we get told these protests were "spontaneous"...hmmm oook. So they "spontaneously came across some RPG's, AK-47's, Mortars, pre painted sighns, Effegies, molotov cocktails, tourches....and just "spontaneously" decided to just go berserk on the aniversary of the most famous terrorist attack on the "Great Satan"......uhhh yeahhhh.... I belive THAT bout as much as i do the "I'm From the Government; and I"m here to help you" routine....

ohh, did I see ANY riots, or protests when they anounced the discovery of a papyrus piece that had coptic greek writeing discussing Christ's Wife?

[daverjax]

Originally Posted by RedRats

concept of freedom of speech?!

u see i have always heard ppl saying "haters gonna hate" and despise why u hating us but u are a living prove that who ever said that was an absolutely genius

if u call the movie that insulted our prophet "freedom of speech" then the concept of the phrase is so fucked up to u

Ok RR, Here's "Freedom of Speech" 101....in the imortal words of Ben Franklin; "Popular speech has Never needed ANY protection, It is from Unpopular speech that we expand our Viewpoints and grow."

and here' is how it's provided..used to be a stalwart statement in the DNC:

"I may NOT agree with what you say; However, I WILL LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY IT!"

does that clarify things.



oh and always remember.....

Sic Semper Tyranus!!!

[ridgerunner]

how can anyone justify the video???????
$100,000/ budget (supposedly) for 14 minutes of common elementry school crap
so fucking what it defames anyone
these jawas get pissed at us when we do anything they dont like but if we give them money they love us
fuck you
mohammed sucks my cock while i fart in his face and make jesus suck his ass

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by richief

How is the concept of the phrase "freedom of speech" fucked up by allowing someone to show his poorly made and ill conceived film. I would say that it shows the phrase in a shining light and that it not only is for acceptable ideas. All religions enjoy the freedom of expression in the US, they are allowed to say what the hell they want, as long as it does not incite people to commit crimes.

Where you live do they allow all religions to have a voice, I have been to Saudi and fought in their sand and dirt, I helped them liberate their neighbour, I asked no thank-you. What did shock and appal me was when the Regimental Padre wanted to hold an ecumenical drum head service for the religious amongst us he had to go deep into the dessert to hold it. Why because the locals viewed the practice of christianity as a crime, and we did not want to upset our hosts, you know those muslims we had flown in to help and rescue.

Like I said you have no idea about the ideals of free speech, you seem to think it is fine as long as it does not conflict with you and your ideals, when it does conflict you tell the opposition to shut up and be quiet or be prosecuted. In the case of this film all you can do is attack US embassies and consulates, burn flags and destroy your own property, and why, because your religious ideals have been openly mocked.

Poor you, just think how good and great you could be if you did not have to obey a bunch of people who can only read one book and that is learnt parrot fashion and not by understanding the nuances of the language.

Your religion, like all religions is nothing but a means of controlling the population.

i'll get to the freedom of speech thing in while so let me start with the KSA thing , 1st ya u as soldier did not ask for thank you but ur government asked for ALOT ,

"to help and rescue" i am sorry but u think US will get into war just out of their good hearts?!

anywho about the durms thing , yes u cant do any religion activity in the land of KSA "sadui" why? coz it is our most holly land , do some research and u will find they do not even allow any1 who is not a muslim to enter except for some few exceptions , u may not agree with that but those are our rules to enter our land and we have all the right to do so , if u think this is way unreasonable to u , then check the rule in ur country which says any1 who get visa MUST have more than 50k in his bank account "maybe more i can really remember the exact number"

Originally Posted by daverjax

Ok RR, Here's "Freedom of Speech" 101....in the imortal words of Ben Franklin; "Popular speech has Never needed ANY protection, It is from Unpopular speech that we expand our Viewpoints and grow."

and here' is how it's provided..used to be a stalwart statement in the DNC:

"I may NOT agree with what you say; However, I WILL LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY IT!"

does that clarify things.



oh and always remember.....

Sic Semper Tyranus!!!

now to our main argument "the concept of freedom speech"

i have no problem with the above phrases and actually i am getting them in my book of phrases

would it be freedom speech if u told a girl she is a slut just coz u did not like the way she dress?! , what about telling some1 that his wife is a whore , how about telling some guy his father is nothing but worthless drunken son of bitch , some guy telling another his daughter only good use is to get fucked .....the list can go on

does any of u see those words as freedom speech ?

if no then i got a point

if yes then we really do not have anything to discuss here

[ridgerunner]

so redrat my travels to saudi arabia are special events?
i find that you are very confused
they hold no issues with western commerce and in fact welcome it
you accuse that the US wages wars against you but did we not just remove your dictator?
do we not send you money?
the egyptians rely on the US for tourism dollars
and for personal security

and yet you believe that all of the whole of the US is responsible for the acts of 1 individual that is in fact an isrealie citizen and coptic christian
that cut over 20+ hours of film into an overdubbed 14 minute video that even a retarded 6 year old sudaneese kid could make

islam is overall a peacefull religion yet the people that follow it are brutal killers that rape kill and torture

my wife is jewish and i am non religious but i find your arguements to be unfounded and hypocritical

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

so redrat my travels to saudi arabia are special events?
i find that you are very confused
they hold no issues with western commerce and in fact welcome it
you accuse that the US wages wars against you but did we not just remove your dictator?
do we not send you money?
the egyptians rely on the US for tourism dollars
and for personal security

and yet you believe that all of the whole of the US is responsible for the acts of 1 individual that is in fact an isrealie citizen and coptic christian
that cut over 20+ hours of film into an overdubbed 14 minute video that even a retarded 6 year old sudaneese kid could make

islam is overall a peacefull religion yet the people that follow it are brutal killers that rape kill and torture

my wife is jewish and i am non religious but i find your arguements to be unfounded and hypocritical

u missed an S in my name

yes sir , ur visit to KSA was indeed special event the rules of KSA are the following

1-any1 who is not muslim is not allowed to stay in KSA forever
2-No1 but muslims is allowed to enter Mekka or Madina
3-no activity for other religion other than Islam
there are other rules but i cant really remember now

i lived in KSA for almost 12 years do know how many foreign or christian i have met or talked with 0

this is my 5th year now in egypt and i met countless number and have 4 christian friends

i never said KSA or any country is against western commerce , we are welcoming it too on the right terms

if u are talking about libya just remember the oil that is there , if u do not believe me look at syria what is happening there is waaay more horrible than libya but there is no oil there , beside u really and honestly think US send their soldiers spend all the money and go all kind of troubles for free?

yes sir u do send 1 billion $ a year , more than half of it is military support *mostly equipments* , take a visit to egypt walk in any 2nd , 3rd , 4th class street , ask any1 who is over 16 about that 1 million and what he/she think of it , more than 85% will tell u that we do not want it

u guys send us 1 billion do u think we 90Million ppl live on that and if u cut it we will starve? u know even if we will i am still begging u to cut it , so what i'll have to eat once a day other than eating 3 times a day

and so u know u sending us money is part of "camp david" treaty

i would not know about that but u are not the only ppl who visit us and if u feel that bad about it then head to paris i heard it is the most beautiful city , but make no mistake about it if u came here to egypt u are more than welcome


personal security ?!!!

oh no no hell no , i do not blame any american citizen for that movie , and i sure blame the US government for ALOT of things but that is not one of them , i just wanted to make sure ppl do not confuse what this guy did with freedom of speech , and i am totally against what happened to ur embassies , well at least not until we see what the government of US will act towards that guy

may i ask where muslims "in general" acted so brutal killers and rape and torture?

[RedRats]

sorry about making u that confuse but u see it takes me ALOT of words to discuss few points , english is not my main and i try to be the shortest i can ^^

[imported__2355]

Originally Posted by RedRats

i have no problem with the above phrases and actually i am getting them in my book of phrases

would it be freedom speech if u told a girl she is a slut just coz u did not like the way she dress?! , what about telling some1 that his wife is a whore , how about telling some guy his father is nothing but worthless drunken son of bitch , some guy telling another his daughter only good use is to get fucked .....the list can go on

does any of u see those words as freedom speech ?

if no then i got a point

if yes then we really do not have anything to discuss here

You've badly confused freedom of speech with slander.

I can freely, though probably unpopularly in your eyes, say that there are people who maintain their positions of power in the Muslim world by inciting the anger of the general populace against the U.S. and the west in general over things like this pos video.
No where in the western world have you heard anyone defend it. Even the actors who appeared in the video say their dialog was recorded over with words they never said and that didn't appear in the script they used. The film is the worst sort of trash in the view of every reasonable person who's seen it and the person who made it would be flunked out of any film school.
It is utterly without significance to us and has no support here.

That said, the maker of the film is free to waste his backer's money on it, just as I am free to piss on every copy of it. I don't like this trash and won't waste even the smallest percentage of a penny to see it, nor even a fraction of a minute to view it for free.
It's not worth my time.

But the Pakistani railroad guy that offered a bounty to have the film's producer killed stepped over the line, just as the people who stirred up crowds to riot, invade the U.S. Consulate in Egypt and the people who ran the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi did. Those places are by international treaty and law U.S. territory, just as if those rioters and attackers invaded New York City and killed people there again.
Egypt and Libya are shamed in the eyes of the world for permitting those acts to occur and the only acceptable recompense by sharia law is an eye for an eye.

Until such acts stop, the countries that allowed those things to happen will have no credibility in the United Nations. If they cannot honor the basic treaties that allow ambassadors and their staff to talk over and make and keep deals, no one will trust them to keep any trade contract at all.

Say what you want, but the U.S. controls 25% of the world's economy, and without our business, you're broke and starving.

[RichmondVA]

Even Bill Maher gets it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqXt_wRkS8


best history of conquest through the ages:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy...ayer_embedded#!


Everyone every day we should post a carton, cook and eat some bacon, keep a dog in your house....and ladies...get those titties out!! Muzzies hate titties! (or is it that they can't control their sorry ass selfs??)

If there are decent muslims out there they had best stand up and start denouncing their brothers in arms or get painted with the same blood....

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by imported__2355

You've badly confused freedom of speech with slander.

I can freely, though probably unpopularly in your eyes, say that there are people who maintain their positions of power in the Muslim world by inciting the anger of the general populace against the U.S. and the west in general over things like this pos video.
No where in the western world have you heard anyone defend it. Even the actors who appeared in the video say their dialog was recorded over with words they never said and that didn't appear in the script they used. The film is the worst sort of trash in the view of every reasonable person who's seen it and the person who made it would be flunked out of any film school.
It is utterly without significance to us and has no support here.

That said, the maker of the film is free to waste his backer's money on it, just as I am free to piss on every copy of it. I don't like this trash and won't waste even the smallest percentage of a penny to see it, nor even a fraction of a minute to view it for free.
It's not worth my time.

But the Pakistani railroad guy that offered a bounty to have the film's producer killed stepped over the line, just as the people who stirred up crowds to riot, invade the U.S. Consulate in Egypt and the people who ran the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi did. Those places are by international treaty and law U.S. territory, just as if those rioters and attackers invaded New York City and killed people there again.
Egypt and Libya are shamed in the eyes of the world for permitting those acts to occur and the only acceptable recompense by sharia law is an eye for an eye.

Until such acts stop, the countries that allowed those things to happen will have no credibility in the United Nations. If they cannot honor the basic treaties that allow ambassadors and their staff to talk over and make and keep deals, no one will trust them to keep any trade contract at all.

Say what you want, but the U.S. controls 25% of the world's economy, and without our business, you're broke and starving.

no i did not confuse anything , i have not seen the movie but ppl saying it was about slander our prophet , so i got u examples of what u called free speech

i never said the movie is acceptable by the general of trhe western citizens

i said it before and i am saying it again , the riot , the bounty i do not agree , so is the most of ppl here in egypt at least

believe whatever u want

[imported__2355]

Originally Posted by RedRats

no i did not confuse anything , i have not seen the movie but ppl saying it was about slander our prophet , so i got u examples of what u called free speech

i never said the movie is acceptable by the general of trhe western citizens

i said it before and i am saying it again , the riot , the bounty i do not agree , so is the most of ppl here in egypt at least

believe whatever u want

If you understand the difference then you understand what you have to do: arrest the hooligans that caused damage, injury and death to American diplomats and staff and to our property, arrest and imprison incommunicado if necessary the people who foment the violence to heal this gross breach of international law and if you feel your religion has been slandered, sue the filmmakers for that.

You might also ask that they be arrested here and charged with inciting violence and disturbing the peace, but you'd need to do that through an embassy, wouldn't you?

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by imported__2355

If you understand the difference then you understand what you have to do: arrest the hooligans that caused damage, injury and death to American diplomats and staff and to our property, arrest and imprison incommunicado if necessary the people who foment the violence to heal this gross breach of international law and if you feel your religion has been slandered, sue the filmmakers for that.

You might also ask that they be arrested here and charged with inciting violence and disturbing the peace, but you'd need to do that through an embassy, wouldn't you?

100% right

[Woman Beater]

Originally Posted by Diaxis

There are NO sacred concepts. If Allah really exists, he pretty obviously doesn't do anything on your behalf, or you wouldn't be miserable all the time. Food for thought. You're getting all excited, hooting and hollering, dancing in the street, shooting guns and attacking people, and for what? A God that doesn't exist? That's pretty damn pathetic.

Yeah, Christians never have and never would kill because of a god that doesn't exist afterall would they.........*cough*

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by Woman Beater

Yeah, Christians never have and never would kill because of a god that doesn't exist afterall would they.........*cough*

in case u did not notice he is not a christian

he does not believe in the whole religions thing ^^

[richief]

Originally Posted by RedRats

i'll get to the freedom of speech thing in while so let me start with the KSA thing , 1st ya u as soldier did not ask for thank you but ur government asked for ALOT ,

"to help and rescue" i am sorry but u think US will get into war just out of their good hearts?!

anywho about the durms thing , yes u cant do any religion activity in the land of KSA "sadui" why? coz it is our most holly land , do some research and u will find they do not even allow any1 who is not a muslim to enter except for some few exceptions , u may not agree with that but those are our rules to enter our land and we have all the right to do so , if u think this is way unreasonable to u , then check the rule in ur country which says any1 who get visa MUST have more than 50k in his bank account "maybe more i can really remember the exact number"




now to our main argument "the concept of freedom speech"

i have no problem with the above phrases and actually i am getting them in my book of phrases

would it be freedom speech if u told a girl she is a slut just coz u did not like the way she dress?! , what about telling some1 that his wife is a whore , how about telling some guy his father is nothing but worthless drunken son of bitch , some guy telling another his daughter only good use is to get fucked .....the list can go on

does any of u see those words as freedom speech ?

if no then i got a point

if yes then we really do not have anything to discuss here

Firstly I am English and not a US citizen, yes we came riding in to rescue the Kuwaitis and protect the Saudis, never get confused over that, the governments may have had one eye on the oil but we soldiers just did our job and got the fuck out of there as fast as possible.

You say it is the holy of holies for islam, but is not the Dome of the Rock the holy of holies for jews and you will not let them in there to pray.

As for free speech, the examples you gave are all free speech, you can say what you like, but the reaction to what you say may not be to your liking, if you want to use your freedom of speech to insult a man's wife he will react negatively, but the guy still has the right to say it. And to murder and destroy property over this stupid little film is stupid for want of a better word, to ignore it would have been perfect but the reaction of muslims world wide is just what he wanted, more ammunition for the bigots to use against you when they try to justify war and killing.

[ridgerunner]

lets see where have muslims displayed the acts of brutality including rape, torture, and murder
the brutal assault on news correspondent lara logan in egypt
the killing of american citizens in lybia, egypt, iraq, afghanastan, pakistan, syria,palestine, and that list is too long to continue

and you want to talk about the deffinition of the line between freedom of speech and blasphemy
american soldiers burned qurans that were defaced by prisoners to eliminate security threats in a detention center and the muslims attacked and killed
they burned american flags which is viewed as the ultimate insult to america
they burned effigies of americans in the streets
but no the middle east and the muslims have every right because they are upset at 1 person and a percieved offence
i watched the video and can honestly say the idiot that made it should be imprisoned for making a totaly shitty video and subjecting the world to it but not because he insulted alla

the man who made the video should have never made it into the US he was a convicted felon in isreal and did not serve his full sentence there
he is a carrer criminal that used his own familiy members names to gain fraudulent credit accounts and then lied to get a light sentence her

i am non religious and couldnt care less if you piss on a crucifix or burn a torah

i fought to ensure freedoms of all americans and if required i would do it again
if i were isrealie like my wife i would have served there just as she did

the real issue is that most people in this world believe that they are entitled to active protestation its bullshit and should never be allowed
if you dont like something boycott it

[KA2188]

Originally Posted by Diaxis

There are NO sacred concepts. If Allah really exists, he pretty obviously doesn't do anything on your behalf, or you wouldn't be miserable all the time. Food for thought. You're getting all excited, hooting and hollering, dancing in the street, shooting guns and attacking people, and for what? A God that doesn't exist? That's pretty damn pathetic.

Umm, how do you know that God does not exist??

[KA2188]

Originally Posted by RedRats

in case u did not notice he is not a christian

he does not believe in the whole religions thing ^^

Ta7ya masr man !! Masr lesa be kheer !!

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by richief

Firstly I am English and not a US citizen, yes we came riding in to rescue the Kuwaitis and protect the Saudis, never get confused over that, the governments may have had one eye on the oil but we soldiers just did our job and got the fuck out of there as fast as possible.

You say it is the holy of holies for islam, but is not the Dome of the Rock the holy of holies for jews and you will not let them in there to pray.

As for free speech, the examples you gave are all free speech, you can say what you like, but the reaction to what you say may not be to your liking, if you want to use your freedom of speech to insult a man's wife he will react negatively, but the guy still has the right to say it. And to murder and destroy property over this stupid little film is stupid for want of a better word, to ignore it would have been perfect but the reaction of muslims world wide is just what he wanted, more ammunition for the bigots to use against you when they try to justify war and killing.

If u chose to believe the shits ur governments say to justify these wars and take them as believes , then it is ur thing , if u really believed that ur government give a dame about the ppl u were "rescuing" then u were born yesterday , u knew exactly why u were going to the war and it is all about the oil , so please do not play the white night rule

Pray?!!!!! , please oh please read , there is diff between Jews and Zionists

Jews , they are EVERYWHERE , they were even in Palestine they were praying and living in peace with Muslims and Christians and till today there are those we called "Elsamara Jews" who live in Nabls and who refused to join Israel , and here in egypt we got whole region they live in and they got temples


Zionist those who live in Israel and whoever support the idea of making Israel over the Palestinian lands , and lol they aint doing it just so they "pray" they want to tear down the Dome of the Rock which is one of Muslims most holly places and build their own alleged Temple

as for free speech : we are done here , u believe an insult is a free speech well good for u , and for the 3rd time yes attacking the embassies was wrong but ignoring the whole thing would have been also wrong

[RedRats]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

lets see where have muslims displayed the acts of brutality including rape, torture, and murder
the brutal assault on news correspondent lara logan in egypt
the killing of american citizens in lybia, egypt, iraq, afghanastan, pakistan, syria,palestine, and that list is too long to continue

and you want to talk about the deffinition of the line between freedom of speech and blasphemy
american soldiers burned qurans that were defaced by prisoners to eliminate security threats in a detention center and the muslims attacked and killed
they burned american flags which is viewed as the ultimate insult to america
they burned effigies of americans in the streets
but no the middle east and the muslims have every right because they are upset at 1 person and a percieved offence
i watched the video and can honestly say the idiot that made it should be imprisoned for making a totaly shitty video and subjecting the world to it but not because he insulted alla

the man who made the video should have never made it into the US he was a convicted felon in isreal and did not serve his full sentence there
he is a carrer criminal that used his own familiy members names to gain fraudulent credit accounts and then lied to get a light sentence her

i am non religious and couldnt care less if you piss on a crucifix or burn a torah

i fought to ensure freedoms of all americans and if required i would do it again
if i were isrealie like my wife i would have served there just as she did

the real issue is that most people in this world believe that they are entitled to active protestation its bullshit and should never be allowed
if you dont like something boycott it

lara logan : about 300 guy touched here yes that was horrible , but u brought these and did not say there were guys trying to get her out of there , u did not mention the women who covers her with their clothes , the military who push the guys back , basicly what u did is point out the worst of us and saying that that is us , if that is the case and in ur point of view u might wanna look at this and then think about ur community

http://www.rainn.org/get-information...ssault-victims


lybia, egypt, iraq, afghanastan, pakistan, syria,palestine

Lybia : they tried to save the guy and for the 4th time we muslims "in general" do not accept that

egypt : hum the only thing comes to my mind is some suicide bomb guy and again we do not support killing civilians

iraq , afganastan : u cant be serious u conquered their land , taking their oil , turning their life to hell , and yet asking them to be "nice"

pakistan : i honestly do not know what happened there

syria , palestine : oh well tell me u blaming them for hating the country who support bunch of butchers that take their land and called it home with killing them and kicking them out of it

"american soldiers burned qurans that were defaced by prisoners to eliminate security threats in a detention center and the muslims attacked and killed" i am sorry but i do not understand what is being said in this even with the help of google translator there for i cant respond to it ^^ . please try try to explain


well if the guy has a US citizen well then the right thing to do is putting him in court despise the fact where he is originally from

well sir i am religious and i do care

i am with the right of protestation as long as it does not bring any dmg and has reasonable reasons , on the other hand i have to strongly agree with u boycott would be the perfect and the most effective

[Rixer]

I will be voting Libertarian because I'd like to see the US pull out of other countries. I want the foreign military bases closed, troops brought home, our border's protected and our tax dollars spent right here in the United States.

I could give a flying fuck about these asshole religious freaks. I wouldn't send them a dime if I had any say in it. Let them all blow themselves to Hell in the name of some mythical character for all I care. These Islamic radicals will soon attack Israel and Israel will probably nuke mecca on the way out if they have to flee. It will all be in the name of god.

And when they ask for our help, I'd answer as an old philosopher once said:

"Homey don't play that!"

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Rixer

I will be voting Libertarian because I'd like to see the US pull out of other countries. I want the foreign military bases closed, troops brought home, our border's protected and our tax dollars spent right here in the United States.

I could give a flying fuck about these asshole religious freaks. I wouldn't send them a dime if I had any say in it. Let them all blow themselves to Hell in the name of some mythical character for all I care. These Islamic radicals will soon attack Israel and Israel will probably nuke mecca on the way out if they have to flee. It will all be in the name of god.

And when they ask for our help, I'd answer as an old philosopher once said:

"Homey don't play that!"

you been reading my mail?

get out of my head....

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by Rixer

I will be voting Libertarian because I'd like to see the US pull out of other countries. I want the foreign military bases closed, troops brought home, our border's protected and our tax dollars spent right here in the United States.

I could give a flying fuck about these asshole religious freaks. I wouldn't send them a dime if I had any say in it. Let them all blow themselves to Hell in the name of some mythical character for all I care. These Islamic radicals will soon attack Israel and Israel will probably nuke mecca on the way out if they have to flee. It will all be in the name of god.

And when they ask for our help, I'd answer as an old philosopher once said:

"Homey don't play that!"

I am concerned with the safety and well being of Israel. Up to now the Israelis have not needed American ground troops. All they need is American weapons and financial support. I want them to keep getting it.

I do not think we should be occupying Islamic countries. George the Lesser seems to have thought that Afghanistan and Iraq would welcome American troops as liberators and quickly create pro capitalist, pro American democracies. We know better now.

According to to a Pew Research Center survey released December 2, 2010 84 percent of Muslims in Egypt think those who leave Islam should be executed. In Jordan the percent is 86. In Pakistan the percent is is 76.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/...and-hezbollah/

I do not see why we should be promoting democracy in those countries. I would rather they be governed by incompetent and unpopular dictators than popular, charismatic democratic leaders who won elections in landslides promising to execute those who left the Islamic faith.

I also care about indigenous Christian peoples in Islamic countries. These seem safest under dictatorships.

[x__orion]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I am concerned with the safety and well being of Israel. Up to now the Israelis have not needed American ground troops. All they need is American weapons and financial support. I want them to keep getting it.

Get a grip. Israel is owed nothing by the West. Quite why you'd support continued arms dealings with a notoriously unstable and aggressive country is quite beyond me -- except you think the Palestinians are sub-human scum, don't you?

I almost forgot that. My mistake.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by x__orion

Get a grip. Israel is owed nothing by the West. Quite why you'd support continued arms dealings with a notoriously unstable and aggressive country is quite beyond me -- except you think the Palestinians are sub-human scum, don't you?

Yes, I suppose.

I think it is natural to care about people who remind one of oneself. The Israelis do.

On the other hand, I cannot identify with a nation where a boy who rapes and impregnates his sister is expected to publicly murder her in order to cleanse the family honor.

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/pub.../may/clpub.asp

So yes, I feel no empathy for the Palestinians, unless they are Christian Palestinians.

In general I think it is legitimate to evaluate a nation or a race on the basis of qualities that are characteristic of it.