The Library - A place for conversation

[ejls]

I've just started looking into writing non-erotic. Well, I can't say that, because when you speak of love there is the natural extension of the emotion. I also started sitting in on some creative writing workshops. I have no formal training in writing, beyond my high school senior term paper. But I had a mother that instilled the love of reading in me.

I am amazed at the really wonderful writers out there, that write for the pleasure of writing. They are not posting, not publishing, but do it for the pure joy of putting pen to paper. They simply love the feel of words.

Originally Posted by Daddycums

My suggestion is to consider your audience. If you're writing for an audience expecting porn, give them at least some sex. Drawing it out with teasing and flirting is fine, in fact I love it when authors do that, but in the end you have to deliver on the promise or you risk alienating your readers. You might be able to pull it off, but then, you might not.

Yes. Ultimately one writes for oneself, but one neither posts nor publishes for oneself. That is for the ego, which both craves and needs an audience for validation.

Originally Posted by Daddycums

I probably wouldn't involve myself in anything where the sex was taken out. Not because I don't write non-sexual stories, but because I do. If I'm going to write something non-sexual, I'm going to do it under my own name. And since I don't want anyone to link Daddycums to the real me, it won't show up anywhere near this site.

Indeed! Most of what I write is non-sexual. You won't find it here. Well... correction. Some of my poetry appears here, in 2: Beauty. Most of the poetry that occurs in that book is non-erotic, but it almost invariably precedes or follows "the act," and is conveyed in the context of "the act." The point being, if the written word can be called a window on the soul, the sparse snippets of poetry in 2: Beauty are the one and only instance on this site in which I crack the blinds.

To the point of some other writers on this thread, the line between porn and literature is necessarily blurry, if the porn is written well. Yet, if it is here, it is porn. (Or, should be.) One of my readers has called the books I have posted here "literature for the ages," to which I reply, (blush). Another reader on this site has placed my storytelling "on par with Tolkien," to which I reply, (giggle). No offense to my readers, but: as my sig advertises, the work I post here is filth. All things considered, it is best to venture onto porn forums with an absence of pretensions.

A.P.

[ejls]

If you haven't seen, Jayney Redd's new story has been validated. I hope you'll all read it. She's a force with which to be reckoned.

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24190/Remember_That_Night

[drewz]

Originally Posted by ejls

If you haven't seen, Jayney Redd's new story has been validated. I hope you'll all read it. She's a force with which to be reckoned.

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24190/Remember_That_Night

It's a beautiful story, the plot is very thought out. Even though it ends sadly, I loved it. Five out of five stars from me.

[ejls]

How many have challenged themselves to write outside of their comfort level? Have you used a theme that you were not as familiar with or, for that matter, one that may have made you cringe?

My most uncomfortable was writing "Steve". Some one had asked me to write a story about him, which is normally not a problem. Then he came up with a whole lot of specifics. I've never written group, let alone girl on girl. And I'm pretty sure I could never write really young or bestiality.

What about all of you?

[Eric the Red]

Originally Posted by ejls

How many have challenged themselves to write outside of their comfort level? Have you used a theme that you were not as familiar with or, for that matter, one that may have made you cringe?

My most uncomfortable was writing "Steve". Some one had asked me to write a story about him, which is normally not a problem. Then he came up with a whole lot of specifics. I've never written group, let alone girl on girl. And I'm pretty sure I could never write really young or bestiality.

What about all of you?

Oh yes, very much so.
It started with "Popping Ashley's little cherry", a story about a man's incestuous relationship with his eight year old daughter, and the challenge of portraying such a character as someone the reader could sympathize with was something that I really gritted my teeth over.
In fact, I've been working on this one story that's so rough that, I don't even know if I will ever be able to finish it.
It's about a serial child rapist.
Now getting the reader inside of this guys head, and conveying his veiw to the point that the reader actually becomes aroused by it, that's the kind of almost impossible challenge that I find interesting.

[Mark Twayn]

Originally Posted by aesexual pseudonym

Yes. Ultimately one writes for oneself, but one neither posts nor publishes for oneself. That is for the ego, which both craves and needs an audience for validation.

"Ego" maybe, but also a sense of achievement which is a very real human desire. I also get a good feeling from knowing that maybe thousands of people all around the world have had a few minutes of pleasure from reading my scratchings.

[donb9033]

Originally Posted by Mark Twayn

"Ego" maybe, but also a sense of achievement which is a very real human desire. I also get a good feeling from knowing that maybe thousands of people all around the world have had a few minutes of pleasure from reading my scratchings.

As a virtual virgin at the writing game, I must admit to an incredible thrill at the ratings my poor scratchings received, and, before the troll took over, the very nice comments. It was, indeed, an ego booster. Sense of achievement? I don't know. I really don't think I achieved that much, but my very fragile ego was boosted all to hell.

Originally Posted by ejls

How many have challenged themselves to write outside of their comfort level? Have you used a theme that you were not as familiar with or, for that matter, one that may have made you cringe?

My most uncomfortable was writing "Steve". Some one had asked me to write a story about him, which is normally not a problem. Then he came up with a whole lot of specifics. I've never written group, let alone girl on girl. And I'm pretty sure I could never write really young or bestiality.

What about all of you?

My second book (Beauty) has many scenes which, though they serve the story, are way out of my zone. Animal cruelty. There is some torture and murder (not erotically written, so not "fetish snuff") and it was hard work for one such as I, who can't even watch violent movies or pro hockey. Gang rape. I hated writing the rape scenes, and almost cut them, but the story needed them.... Finally, there are several birth-related scenes, from a successful birth that is done beautifully, to a less fortunate event, the mere writing of which gave me nightmares for weeks (I pity the readers of that scene).

Of all the difficult portions, I would have to say the animal cruelty was the very worst, for me as a writer. I made myself a basketcase in the course of proofing the scenes involving Greta's pretty tabby kitten.

Homosexuality (both MM and FF) is not a problem for me, and Beauty does dabble in them just a little bit, insofar as they serve the story. (I did not code them as such, because the instances are very brief.) I know people will laugh at what I am about to write, given that I am referring to a 986,000 word book, but I like to think that not a single scene in that monstrosity is gratuitous.

A.P.

[ejls]

AP - you're a brilliant writer with an imagination that is endless. Me? I can't imagine being in some of those situations, so I'm sure I couldn't write it. Does that make sense? It would be like writing about building an engine. Just something I don't think I could do.

I would really love to be able to write a murder mystery, but I can't get my mind to work that way.

[ssalo]

I'm trying to write a story for the first time. I'm definitely outside my comfort level. I just keep telling myself that I don't have to post it when I'm done if I find it too disappointing. My backup plan is to ask someone here to write it from an outline. I really think the idea is a good one, I just don't have much confidence in my writing ability yet.

ssalo

[donb9033]

Originally Posted by ssalo

I'm trying to write a story for the first time. I'm definitely outside my comfort level. I just keep telling myself that I don't have to post it when I'm done if I find it too disappointing. My backup plan is to ask someone here to write it from an outline. I really think the idea is a good one, I just don't have much confidence in my writing ability yet.

ssalo

Been there, done that, have the t-shirt. All I am able to do with my poor scribblings is picture in my mind something happening, then write it down and try to flesh it out. That is probably why my stories are so short - small mind.

I sincerely want to encourage you to keep trying. Ellen helped me a lot with encouragement and with proofing for me some of my earlier paragraphs. She pointed out some of the traps I was falling into so I could avoid them for the rest of the story. Big help.

Don't give up.
Don

[ejls]

I never outline, never plot, just write. I usually visualize a location and situation. When I start writing, I have no idea what my characters look like, or what they are going to do. They guide me, I don't have a say in the matter.

The best lesson I was taught by lubutt17 is to write with your senses. When your character is doing something, what do they see and hear? When writing a love scene, what do they taste, feel, smell and hear? If they are standing on a beach, describe what they are experiencing. I've made myself remember this each and every time I sit down to write.

Most importantly? Have fun and write from the heart.

Originally Posted by ejls

AP - you're a brilliant writer with an imagination that is endless. Me? I can't imagine being in some of those situations, so I'm sure I couldn't write it. Does that make sense? It would be like writing about building an engine. Just something I don't think I could do.

I would really love to be able to write a murder mystery, but I can't get my mind to work that way.

I know exactly what you mean.

I am not here to critique others. In fact, I do not even vote. Although I started the Story Review thread, the reviews that I, myself, have written have all been 10/10's. And yet, I do categorize the writers here, just like everyone else. But, I do not do it like most.

I do not typecast the contributors by their preferred subject matter, as so many do. Instead, I typecast them by a combination of their craft and their tolerance for thought. There is a subtle difference at play, and it is worth a bit of digression.

For instance, there is currently an active thread on this board called Pedophilia? It has been started by a contributing writer who deigns to question the mindset of people who would write about sex between adults and children. On the one hand, I am willing to cut him a bit of slack. In a place such as this, stories about pedophilia no doubt attract pedophiles. This place is a magnet, to the point where the moderators don't do much here, anymore, apart from scour the pix/vid forum for underage sex. (I am convinced that the pedophilia will eventually shut the storyboard down.) Anyway, that is the point that I think the thread owner is trying to make. On the other hand, he sometimes appears to cross a fine line by impugning the mindset of skilled writers who would engage their craft in verboten ideas, such as pedophilia or incest.

I see his point, that some of the pedo trash showing up on this forum is both semi-literate and either pseudo-biographical, or the expression of the authors' (hopefully) unrequited fantasies. Trash of that sort isn't fiction. It is either a cry for help, or a cry for clap-irons.

However, I would hope he is not meaning to paint skilled writers with the same brush, and I would hope that he would have respect for the right of skilled authors to express themselves as the imperatives of the story require. Take, for example, poor JAT, who tends to get drawn into such debates, since his own stories flirt with subject matter that strikes a nerve. Or DC, who writes about incest, and vehemently defends the
rights of authors to do so.

Some contributors to this site have the stomach to write about absolutely anything that serves the story, and they have the skill to pull it off with aplomb.

Other contributors are negatively judgmental of whatever kink they themselves happen to abhor. It is like the old joke about speeders on the highway: anyone going slower than me is a grandfather, and should retire his license; anyone going faster is a fucking lunatic who should have his license confiscated. It's the same with porn. Some people - and supposed "writers" among them, come here for filth, and yet have the temerity to judge my filth as less worthy of acceptance than their own.

Then, there are writers who fall into the middle: the ones who respect and espouse the notion of freedom of expression, but have difficulty writing about subject matter that they, themselves, would never wish to experience.

How to explain this, without getting into another tangent about incest or pedophillia? Okay. I hate writing about myself, but here's an example, which would hit home with anyone who has read my books: I am asked, constantly, whether I am a mathematics professor at Harvard or MIT (if you have ever read my filth, you would know why). Answer? none of the above. I am only okay at math. Yet, the main character of Nascent, a teen math prodigy, must "work well," because most of my readers are convinced that I am a mathematician. Thus, this is a non-sexual, non-fetish, non-impulse-oriented instance of a case where I have strayed far out of my own personal comfort zone and created a character that works, psychologically.

So, that is how I judge, and it is how I categorize the authentic authors, who most likely do this for a living in their real lives, from the "false" authors, who have been turned on by some porn story or other and take it upon themselves to try their hands at the craft. Mind you, this is not a qualitative judgment. A great many of the "amateur stories" are very good, skillwise, and very hot! Yet, it is easy to identify the amateurs by their tendency to confine themselves to a narrow topical comfort zone. And all too often, they betray themselves as amateurs, when they question the mindsets and motives of any other writer whose subject matter happens to fall outside of their own comfort level.

So, here are the three categories, in a nutshell:

Most likely professional authors: tend to judge other writers by skill, and not subject matter. They almost never judge subject matter, unless the story is blatantly gratuitous or semi-autobiographical. (Regrettably, far too many of the stories here at XNXX fall into that category, and this will inevitably get the story board shut down....)

Could be professional authors, or can be, if they want to be: have the right mindset with respect to subject matter and the principle of freedom of expression. But, they have difficulty with writing outside of their sphere of personal experience, and pulling it off.

Not professional authors, and only here to play: these are the "writers" who would have the temerity to categorize DC as a practioner of incest, after having given a cursory skim of his work, or who would brand JAT as a pedophile, or would castigate Lord Exia for his espousal of rape. Not only can they not see past the fact that they are reading fiction, but they have no appreciation for that fact that the notion of freedom of expression is a difficult, hard-won road that confers both liberties and responsibilities. It gives us the liberty to express ourselves. It also imposes the responsibillity that we respect the liberty of others to do so - even when their modes of expression are not compatible (for whatever reason) with ours.

To reuse a no doubt hackneyed analogy: does anyone really suppose that Stephen King is a homicidal psychopath? Or that Michael Crichton was a scientist? Or that Dan Brown is a forensics and symbology expert? Or that Anne Rice communes with vampires in the wee hours?

Sheesh. I've written a goddamned book.

I think my point, ejls, is that you fall into the middle category, at the very least. And as for that murder mystery? You definitely have it in you, to pull it off with aplomb. Go, girl, go!

A.P.

P.S. - pardon typos. Impossible to edit more than one sentence at this ridiculous place.

[Sahara907]

Originally Posted by ejls

I never outline, never plot, just write. I usually visualize a location and situation. When I start writing, I have no idea what my characters look like, or what they are going to do. They guide me, I don't have a say in the matter.

The best lesson I was taught by lubutt17 is to write with your senses. When your character is doing something, what do they see and hear? When writing a love scene, what do they taste, feel, smell and hear? If they are standing on a beach, describe what they are experiencing. I've made myself remember this each and every time I sit down to write.

Most importantly? Have fun and write from the heart.

I just wing it, too, and let the character drive me.

That advice about the senses is excellent. Hope I have the sense to remember the scents.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Eljs- I was really unhappy about a story that I recently submitted I invite you to read it Shattered Dreams it should be posting fairly soon and really outside of my comfort zone and against all of my personal feelings and morals... I put a teaser up here on the forum... its not particularly long

[ejls]

I'd love to read your new story. Be sure to post the link here so we can all find it.

[Eric the Red]

Originally Posted by aesexual pseudonym

So, here are the three categories, in a nutshell:

Most likely professional authors: tend to judge other writers by skill, and not subject matter. They almost never judge subject matter, unless the story is blatantly gratuitous or semi-autobiographical. (Regrettably, far too many of the stories here at XNXX fall into that category, and this will inevitably get the story board shut down....)

Could be professional authors, or can be, if they want to be: have the right mindset with respect to subject matter and the principle of freedom of expression. But, they have difficulty with writing outside of their sphere of personal experience, and pulling it off.

Not professional authors, and only here to play: these are the "writers" who would have the temerity to categorize DC as a practioner of incest, after having given a cursory skim of his work, or who would brand JAT as a pedophile, or would castigate Lord Exia for his espousal of rape. Not only can they not see past the fact that they are reading fiction, but they have no appreciation for that fact that the notion of freedom of expression is a difficult, hard-won road that confers both liberties and responsibilities. It gives us the liberty to express ourselves. It also imposes the responsibillity that we respect the liberty of others to do so - even when their modes of expression are not compatible (for whatever reason) with ours.

To reuse a no doubt hackneyed analogy: does anyone really suppose that Stephen King is a homicidal psychopath? Or that Michael Crichton was a scientist? Or that Dan Brown is a forensics and symbology expert? Or that Anne Rice communes with vampires in the wee hours?

Sheesh. I've written a goddamned book.

I think my point, ejls, is that you fall into the middle category, at the very least. And as for that murder mystery? You definitely have it in you, to pull it off with aplomb. Go, girl, go!

A.P.

P.S. - pardon typos. Impossible to edit more than one sentence at this ridiculous place.

Makes me wonder where I fall on that scale.

Originally Posted by Eric the Red

Makes me wonder where I fall on that scale.

LOL! To repeat, it is not a qualitative judgment! Some of the hottest, freshest stories here have been written by people who are happily and effectively stuck on a narrow rail! If people like to read your stories, keep writing them! And if people don't like to read them? Screw'em! Write anyway! If it is fun to write, then write! And if you find that you have the most fun writing what you like to write, because you like to write it, then write it! Sheesh!

Fun is the only reason my stories are here. And, umm, insomnia.

A.P.

DC:

I am reading Allison and the PD's! For real, this time, with attention. Finally, I have time for an epic novel.

I have commented the first paragraph. For those of you who are wishing that more could be done with the Story Review thread, take note: I have pretty much decided to give Allison and the Primdales a running commentary, in its Comments section. Not every chapter, not by far (they flirth with triple digits). In short, I am on Chapter Two and already having a ball.

If my comments cut to the quick, DC, I beg your pardon. Just calling them as I see them. And I am not putting a lot of thought into it. My comments will be Rorschach blots, and sometimes cruel (I would expect no less from you).

I will not vote until I reach the end. I have never voted on a story at XNXX, and cannot promise that I will do so for this one. I am a writer; not a reader. But, well, oh, never mind.

One more thing: DC's trash is almost as l--o--n--g as my trash, so I will not read this tome in a day. But I will make progress as time allows, and comment at each milestone.

Who knows? I just might become DC's most loathed troll!!!

A.P.

[ssalo]

Finger Food for Two:

Measure three cups each of emotional and sexual stress into a large mixing bowl. Mix thoroughly and heat on low. Just before it gets too hot, rub it all over your dinner partner's body. Let them do the same for you, being careful to save out enough to vigorously rub into each other's private parts. You'll both know when you've rubbed it in enough. This is called comfort food and it can be very satisfying.

If it takes a little longer to prepare desert, it's nearly always worth it.

Anyone know any good desert recipes?

ssalo

[ejls]

Originally Posted by ssalo

Finger Food for Two:

Measure three cups each of emotional and sexual stress into a large mixing bowl. Mix thoroughly and heat on low. Just before it gets too hot, rub it all over your dinner partner's body. Let them do the same for you, being careful to save out enough to vigorously rub into each other's private parts. You'll both know when you've rubbed it in enough. This is called comfort food and it can be very satisfying.

If it takes a little longer to prepare desert, it's nearly always worth it.

Anyone know any good desert recipes?

ssalo

Besides berries and whipped cream? Besides melting ice cream drizzled with Grand Marnier?

If you seriously need a recipe, don't contact the Food Network, pm me.

[ejls]

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

Eljs- I was really unhappy about a story that I recently submitted I invite you to read it Shattered Dreams it should be posting fairly soon and really outside of my comfort zone and against all of my personal feelings and morals... I put a teaser up here on the forum... its not particularly long

I found your story and am posting the link:

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24112/...reamer_%281%29

[drewz]

Originally Posted by ejls

I never outline, never plot, just write. I usually visualize a location and situation. When I start writing, I have no idea what my characters look like, or what they are going to do. They guide me, I don't have a say in the matter.

The best lesson I was taught by lubutt17 is to write with your senses. When your character is doing something, what do they see and hear? When writing a love scene, what do they taste, feel, smell and hear? If they are standing on a beach, describe what they are experiencing. I've made myself remember this each and every time I sit down to write.

Most importantly? Have fun and write from the heart.

I'm the same way. I see locations, situations, and characters in my mind, like watching a movie.

I'm really not the one writing the stories; the "movie" writes itself. I'm just the guy who puts them on the screen.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by ejls

I'd love to read your new story. Be sure to post the link here so we can all find it.

Okay I will

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Eljs no that wasn't the one I really wanted you to read I have another that should be out by monday maybe? I'll put the link up when I get it.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by aesexual pseudonym

DC:

I am reading Allison and the PD's! For real, this time, with attention. Finally, I have time for an epic novel.

I have commented the first paragraph. For those of you who are wishing that more could be done with the Story Review thread, take note: I have pretty much decided to give Allison and the Primdales a running commentary, in its Comments section. Not every chapter, not by far (they flirth with triple digits). In short, I am on Chapter Two and already having a ball.

If my comments cut to the quick, DC, I beg your pardon. Just calling them as I see them. And I am not putting a lot of thought into it. My comments will be Rorschach blots, and sometimes cruel (I would expect no less from you).

I will not vote until I reach the end. I have never voted on a story at XNXX, and cannot promise that I will do so for this one. I am a writer; not a reader. But, well, oh, never mind.

One more thing: DC's trash is almost as l--o--n--g as my trash, so I will not read this tome in a day. But I will make progress as time allows, and comment at each milestone.

Who knows? I just might become DC's most loathed troll!!!

A.P.

AP:

As long as you're honest with your comments, feel free to be as brutal as you want. I'd prefer if you're tactful about it, but that's not required; any constructive criticism is always welcome. If you don't like it, go ahead and say it. If I were trying to please everyone, I wouldn't write incest stories, would I?

[ssalo]

DC-

Please don't start trying to please everybody.

ssalo

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

AP:

As long as you're honest with your comments, feel free to be as brutal as you want. I'd prefer if you're tactful about it, but that's not required; any constructive criticism is always welcome. If you don't like it, go ahead and say it. If I were trying to please everyone, I wouldn't write incest stories, would I?

AP:

I've been reading and enjoying your critiques of the early chapters. You raise some good points. From your comments it sounds like you're assuming that Allison is too good to be true. Thus, the supposedly bright characters don't act in a plausible manner because they're not distrustful enough. A fair assumption and a logical deduction.

The big question is whether your assumption is correct. Is Allison really too good to be true? She is definitely manipulative, but is she, ultimately, only interested in what's best for her, or is her scheming actually for the benefit of her new family?

I'm not going to say. You'll just have to read for yourself.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by ssalo

DC-

Please don't start trying to please everybody.

ssalo

Don't worry; I will continue to write for myself, and if anyone enjoys my stories, so much the better.

[donb9033]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

The big question is whether your assumption is correct. Is Allison really too good to be true? She is definitely manipulative, but is she, ultimately, only interested in what's best for her, or is her scheming actually for the benefit of her new family?

I'm not going to say. You'll just have to read for yourself.

I know the answer, but I'm not telling. I've got the story memorized.

To anyone and everyone reading my comments in Allison and the PD's:

Unless I'm quite mistaken, I would swear that the real dude behind Daddycums is well accustomed to much harsher critics than yours truly.

Moreover, I would never rake anything less than a great book with critical razor wire, as I am now doing with Allison and the Primdales. Make no mistake: I am on Chapter 29, and it is a great book.

With a limit of 1,000 characters per comment, it is impossible to soften the blows, so keep in mind, as you read my scathing comments:

1.) I know DC has a reason for everything that happens, and that it will all come together;

2.) the plot and characters are absolutely compelling;

3.) this book turns slow seduction into an artform, with a masterful combination of both pen and pressure cooker employed by the author;

4.) it deserves ten times as many reads as it is getting here.

Great stuff.

A.P.

P.S. DonB, don't say a bleeping word! Let me find out on my own!!!

[JackassTales]

I don't know where I've been the past few days, but I completely missed the debut of this thread. I had to read 82 posts to get caught up to this point. There is lots of great reading here in the LIBRARY.

Good idea. I hope it can survive without making it into a sticky. Eljs, maybe you can make that happen. Hope so!

[donb9033]

Originally Posted by aesexual pseudonym

P.S. DonB, don't say a bleeping word! Let me find out on my own!!!

A.P. I would not dare say anything to spoil the read.

I must, however, let you know that I am following your comments and having the time of my life.

Your sense of humor is magnificent and your acerbic style is wonderful - especially that I know things which you have yet to discover.

Don't stop now - I'm having too much fun.

Don

[Nicola Matthews]

I must first apologize for the spelling of this post and the fact that it will make little sense because at the moment I'm mostly drunk. With that said...

I also never write with an outline. Well, mostly I don't write with an outline. I just sit down and start writing. I usually have a decent idea of what I want to happen and what my characters look like, but basically I just start typing away and see where the words lead me. But a definite outline is not really needed when you are writing a short story. However, I am working on a novel that I actually did sit down and write up an outline for because I knew exactly how I wanted the story to play out. Of course there are times that I have had to edit the outline because I did not follow it, but that just goes along with the territory.

As for writing outside my comfort zone, this new manuscript is filled with fight scenes, something that I know nothing about and cannot write very well. The content, or genre I guess I should say, is something that I write about a lot. They say to write what you know, but instead I'm making things up as I go with a genre that has already been done to death. Actually, I've went so far into left field with this genre that I am having to write a companion piece to the novel to explain how I came up with all the little perversions I have added to this genre. But that is the wonderful thing about fiction.....you get to make crap up and no one is ever the wiser, lol.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by donb9033

I know the answer, but I'm not telling. I've got the story memorized.

Don knows what he's talking about. He's read Allison and the Primdales so many times that he's probably more familiar with it than I am by now.

Originally Posted by aesexual pseudonym

To anyone and everyone reading my comments in Allison and the PD's:

Unless I'm quite mistaken, I would swear that the real dude behind Daddycums is well accustomed to much harsher critics than yours truly.

Moreover, I would never rake anything less than a great book with critical razor wire, as I am now doing with Allison and the Primdales. Make no mistake: I am on Chapter 29, and it is a great book.

With a limit of 1,000 characters per comment, it is impossible to soften the blows, so keep in mind, as you read my scathing comments:

1.) I know DC has a reason for everything that happens, and that it will all come together;

2.) the plot and characters are absolutely compelling;

3.) this book turns slow seduction into an artform, with a masterful combination of both pen and pressure cooker employed by the author;

4.) it deserves ten times as many reads as it is getting here.

Great stuff.

A.P.

P.S. DonB, don't say a bleeping word! Let me find out on my own!!!

I just caught up with your latest comments and I'm really enjoying them. It seems you have a love-hate relationship with the story: you enjoy it but you can't quite get past the implausibility.

I agree; it's implausible. I was never quite satisfied with it myself because of that. And it just gets worse (or maybe better, depending on your point of view) as time goes on.

I still take it as a compliment that you point it out. Why? Because there are far more implausible stories right here on this site and yet you're not complaining about them. The difference? My writing style lends itself to a believable story, which means that my style itself is believable. That's what you're telling me, and I consider that a compliment because a believable writing style is not something that every author can pull off. Your complaint comes from the discrepancy between that believability and the implausibility of the characters and plot. That's a fair criticism.

By the way, despite the fact that some of your comments are kind of brutal, I humbly accept them in the spirit in which I assume they are given, as constructive criticism with the occasional hyperbole for the sake of humor. I hope none of my fans give you any grief over your comments (they sometimes get rabid when anyone says anything negative about my writing), but if they do, I'll be right there to defend you.

In the mean time, it looks like we're starting to hijack the Library, and despite the fact that the implication is that the Library is meant to be hijacked, there's a better place for comments about Allison and the Primdales. So in the future, if you have any more comments about the story as a whole, or something you'd like to say that's too long to fit in the comments on the individual chapters, I'd prefer that you resurrect this thread instead of posting them here. That goes for anyone, and not just aesexual pseudonym.

One last note: AP, in one of the chapters you called the story "beautiful filth." Considering that you use the term "filth" to refer to your own writing, I take that as the highest praise you could possibly give me.

[donb9033]

Implausible - who cares.

Great story - you bet.

A.P. comments - delicious.

[ejls]

I reviewed First Saturdays in the Story Review thread. I hope you'll read it.

And DC - this thread is to speak about whatever you wish. There is no derailing an open thread.

Originally Posted by Daddycums

I'd prefer that you resurrect this thread instead of posting them here. That goes for anyone, and not just aesexual pseudonym.

Thanks! Going there now, to give meet your rabid fans and administer oxygen.

A.P.

[ejls]

I have a new story up, Melanie - The Art Lesson
http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24258/...The_Art_Lesson

Also, CrackedJaguar's new story hit today, Shattered Dreams
http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24254/Shattered_Dreams

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by ejls

I have a new story up, Melanie - The Art Lesson
http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24258/...The_Art_Lesson

Also, CrackedJaguar's new story hit today, Shattered Dreams
http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24254/Shattered_Dreams

ejls used a real title instead of just naming the story after the main character? I know she also included the name, but it's still a shock. It's like everything I've ever believed about the world is wrong. The sun comes up in the east. Spring comes after winter. And ejls uses the main character's name as the title of each of her stories.

I know, I know, she appended the part numbers to "Nora," but that was out of necessity. Now she's adding "The Art Lesson" to "Melanie" just because she can.

The universe must be falling apart.

[ejls]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

ejls used a real title instead of just naming the story after the main character? I know she also included the name, but it's still a shock. It's like everything I've ever believed about the world is wrong. The sun comes up in the east. Spring comes after winter. And ejls uses the main character's name as the title of each of her stories.

I know, I know, she appended the part numbers to "Nora," but that was out of necessity. Now she's adding "The Art Lesson" to "Melanie" just because she can.

The universe must be falling apart.

Very funny, my friend. Maybe I'm growing, stretching. Be careful, you never know what I might do next.

[seeminglysatisfied]

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24247/...ughter_is_away

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24245/...he_best_of_her

Two new stories from me. Read the tags on them before you continue reading, and if it is your kind of thing why not vote?

[seeminglysatisfied]

Originally Posted by ejls

Very funny, my friend. Maybe I'm growing, stretching. Be careful, you never know what I might do next.

That vampire, horror, bondage, time travel, thing you mentioned for the story contest?

[ejls]

Originally Posted by seeminglysatisfied

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24247/...ughter_is_away

http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24245/...he_best_of_her

Two new stories from me. Read the tags on them before you continue reading, and if it is your kind of thing why not vote?

Thanx for the head's up, SS!

[ejls]

Originally Posted by seeminglysatisfied

That vampire, horror, bondage, time travel, thing you mentioned for the story contest?

Oh my, SS - I feel like I'm being dared to write something with a tag I've never used before. Hmmmm, let me ponder this.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Having now read Eljs art lesson, some of it I found very amusing... mostly the art references, mostly because I can relate to them. I hate drawing people too! That said it was a very slow build story with a nicely styled climactic ending, with just enough humor thrown in to keep a grin on your face for most of the read.

[ejls]

Lately, I've been inspired by so many things. Beccah was inspired by the songs of David Cook. I played his CD for hours, everytime I drove my car. I find myself thinking of stories by hearing a phrase, seeing a picture, or meeting someone new.

Do your stories just come to you like that?

[JayneyRedd]

Originally Posted by ejls

Lately, I've been inspired by so many things. Beccah was inspired by the songs of David Cook. I played his CD for hours, everytime I drove my car. I find myself thinking of stories by hearing a phrase, seeing a picture, or meeting someone new.

Do your stories just come to you like that?

Although I only have a few stories to my credit, several of them are inspired in a similar way.
My 'Hotel' story was (quite obviously) inspired by the Hotel California, and there are several Eagles references within it (as well as a startling similarity to the Beverley Hills Hotel, which was the building featured on the cover of the Hotel California album), and my recent 'Remember That Night' story takes some inspiration from a couple of songs written by David Gilmour & Polly Samson.

Both were just inspired by me listening to music on my ipod during the long trek to work on the bus every morning.

[seeminglysatisfied]

I have been inspired by reading a story to write one. Sometimes it could be an experience or the slightest difference in my day that can create the seed that flourishes into a beautiful flowered story

For example. Lately I post a story and it hits 100% through some miracle, and there is this little vermin that votes my story down. this has happened since the beginning when I first posted a story about a year or so ago.

Like this one: http://stories.xnxx.com/story/24246/...only_a_feeling

I posted it and finally gave it a vote so it would be at 100% and already this person who shall remain nameless voted it down. Not one moment in the spotlight for me. If it was a crap story I could understand, but come on now! I thought I stayed on topic and used complete sentences - the whole nine yards. See what you guys think if you've the time. Thanks