Israel and Palestinians to resume direct peace talks

[WhaWhaWha]

Originally Posted by stumbler

But if Israel is all you say Israel is Israel should be able to survive on its own with out being the biggest recipient of US foreign aid shouldn't they?

I'll be the first to admit that these are hard times for Israel. And they only exist because the US wants them to. But that doesnt justify allowing them to perish.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

I'll be the first to admit that these are hard times for Israel. And they only exist because the US wants them to. But that doesnt justify allowing them to perish.

But we should then allow the Palestinians to perish?

I don't think so. The only really fair thing to do would be to cut off all aid and support to both the Palestinians and Israel until they reach a meaningful peace agreement or one kills all the others, which ever comes first.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

CS Monitor? That's where you go for world opinion? My wife is a faith based award winning Catholic journalist who endeavors to respect every world view you can name. And a few you can't. And she openly rejects the CS Monitor. She wouldn't endorse that rag for wrapping fish or lining the bottom of a birdcage.

Well then I'll tell you what WhaWhaWha, I'll make you and your wife the same challenge I've offered to others when it comes to Al Jazeera English.

I'll bet neither you nor your wife can go to the Christian Science Monitor and find a single piece of slanted or inaccurate reporting. If you can post it right here.

But in the meantime if you don't like what the Christian Science Monitor had to say you can always go directly to the study they are basing the story on.

http://www.idi.org.il/sites/english/...cracy_2010.pdf

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

Their choice to remain exclusive, not Israel's. Beggers can't be choosers can they?

Well "Beggers" are hardly equal in Israel are they? And if fact seeing Arab Israeli citizens as beggers just perfectly illustrates the lack of equality. Which remember. You falsely claimed existed.

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

Because Palestine wants to dismantle educational institutions that promote democratic thought, jewish culture, and anything else not in league with Sharia and scholarly lessons that teach you where it's best to splatter the acid in a womans face or apply the bonesaw when cutting the hands off infidels.

Where's your source for this? I'd be really surprised if you can find one since first we're talking about Palestinians still living in Israel and second the Palestinians are secular.

I'm thinking you really don't know as much about this as you might think you do and your own prejudices are clearly evident.

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

The Knesset supports and encourages the involvement all Arab leaders in a democratic process. But Palestinians wont have any part of democracy or anything jewish, so they opt out.

Really they opt out? That's not what the statement I quoted says at all.

First it clearly disproves your statement that Arabs have equality in Israel specifically stating: "because in certain areas Jews and Arabs are not equal" and more importantly and obviously there can never be such equality in Israel because Israel tries to be both a democracy and a Jewish state: "emanating from the fact that Israel is a Jewish state and there is no such thing as an Israeli nationality that is all inclusive."

In other words equality for Arabs is actually impossible in Israel if for no other reason then they are not Jewish.

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

Because they reject everything Jewish, so they refuse to take part in any labor or business markets that do not boycott Jews. That leaves very little, so most of them are welfare louts, protest-marching leeches, or terrorists.

I think this is pure and simple prejudice in action. As soon as your statement of Arab equality in Israel is proven wrong you suddenly just resort to anti-Palestinian stereotypes.

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

#1 - Sauce? Israel's Parliament does not rely on the views in this poll for setting policy.
#2 - That just makes good security sense. The whole world is obnoxiously patting down the private parts of its citizens in airports and border crossings because fanatical Arab world views promote policies which justify blowing shit up every way and every chance they get.
#3 - Only 3,400 of them left in Palestine. And so many Arab friendly nations to the east west north and south with over a billion of their brothers and sisters. Why are they staying if not to close in on the last speck of non Islamic controlled proprty in the ME? It's their choice. But if they dont like it they should follow their brothers and sisters and just move already.
#4 - Sauce? Israel's Parliament would never support the views in this poll. And even you know that.

It doesn't matter WhaWhaWha. None of that is really the point. The point is no one can go around rightfully claiming that Israel has given equal rights to Arabs living in Israel.

That's the only error I wanted to correct.

[WhaWhaWha]

Originally Posted by stumbler

But we should then allow the Palestinians to perish?

They won't. As long as they keep to themselves and resist the urge to go around blowing shit up. When do you ever read about Jewish Israelis planting bombs in Palestinian neighbourhoods schools buses or Mosques or strapping bomb vests to their terrified preteen children like those disgusting hate-mongering Palestinian fanatic cowards do?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by WhaWhaWha

They won't. As long as they keep to themselves and resist the urge to go around blowing shit up.


When do you ever read about Jewish Israelis planting bombs in Palestinian neighbourhoods schools buses or Mosques or strapping bomb vests to their terrified preteen children like those disgusting hate-mongering Palestinian fanatic cowards do?

since before this ....

http://jta.org/news/article/2010/08/...s-of-terrorism

and after this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

[stumbler]

As many members know I've always maintained that dispite all prouncements to the contrary the nation of Israel has no intention of negoatiting in good faith with the Palestinians and will derail any efforts for a peaceful settlement before it can even get started.

As proof of that I present the latest pronouncement from the nation of Israel that they will not share the city of Jerusalem. That's rich because while Israel tries to claim Jerusalem is their capitol city the rest of the world including the US says they have no legal right to Jerusalem and their capitol is still Tel Avi.

Its high time the US just cut Israel off and found better things to do with our billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid and military support.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_795482.html

[stumbler]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...315751646.html

[stumbler]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_palest...srael_violence

[stumbler]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...offer-1.334965

Netanyahu also noted the Palestinians' attempts to pursue unilateral statehood, saying that these moves will fail and will not yield any results.

"We are aware of their steps – even the congress opposed these unilateral steps and it seems that the Americans will not be partners to a forced agreement," he said.

I would not bet on this.

[stumbler]

A government committee appointed to review Israel's policy on oil and gas resources recommended late Monday more than doubling the government's take of production profits to as much as 62%.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...wed+Stories%29

[stumbler]

Israel said would keep Gaza near collapse: WikiLeaks

JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel told U.S. officials in 2008 it would keep [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Gaza's [COLOR=#366388 ! important]economy[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis, according to U.S. diplomatic cables published by a Norwegian daily on Wednesday.


Three cables cited by the Aftenposten newspaper, which has said it has all 250,000 U.S. cables leaked to WikiLeaks, showed that Israel kept the U.S. Embassy in [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Tel [COLOR=#366388 ! important]Aviv[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] briefed on its internationally criticized blockade of the [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Gaza[/COLOR][/COLOR] Strip.


The territory, home to 1.3 million Palestinians, is run by the Islamist Hamas group, which is shunned by the [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]West[/COLOR][/COLOR] over its refusal to recognize Israel, renounce violence or accept existing interim Israeli-Palestinian peace deals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110105/...rael_wikileaks

[AZRIEL]

Originally Posted by stumbler

since before this ....
pokey man.jpg
and after this:
bumler.jpg
I've become secure with my feminine side.

blinded by your gay.jpg

[stumbler]

Israeli troops have shot dead a sleeping Palestinian man during a dawn raid in the city of Hebron in the occupied West Bank.


Family members found Suliman al-Qawasmeh, 66, in a pool of blood in the bedroom after soldiers broke into several homes in the city's al-Sheikh neighbourhood on Friday.


The raid came less than 24 hours after six Hamas fighters who had been on hunger strike in Palestinian jails were released on Thursday.


Five of them were from Hebron, and one of them, Wael Bitar, arrested by the Israelis, lived one storey below the victim, residents said.
"I was praying when they entered. I do not know how they opened the door. They put their hand to my mouth and a rifle to my head," al-Qawasmeh's wife told the Reuters news agency.


"I was shocked. They did not allow me to talk. I asked them, 'What did you do?' They asked me to shut up."


Later, the Israeli army issued a statement acknowedging that al-Qawasmeh's killing was unintended. It said he "was present in one of the terrorist's homes".


An Israeli military spokesman told the AFP news agency: "There is no indication that [al-Qawasmeh] was involved in any terror activity at any stage and therefore we regret the incident."


An immediate investigation has been ordered, with a report expected by next week, according to the Israeli army statement.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...441287850.html

[tenguy]

White House, Jewish groups condemn Hamas murder of 4 Israelis

August 31, 2010

WASHINGTON, D.C (Press Release)– The following statement was issued by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
“The United States condemns in the strongest possible terms the terrorist attack today perpetrated by Hamas in which four Israelis were killed in the southern West Bank. We express our condolences to the victims’ families and call for the terrorists behind this horrific act to be brought to justice.
“We note that the Palestinian Authority has condemned this attack. On the eve of the re-launch of direct negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians, this brutal attack underscores how far the enemies of peace will go to try to block progress. It is crucial that the parties persevere, keep moving forward even through difficult times, and continue working to achieve a just and lasting peace in the region that provides security for all peoples.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurar..._Israelis.html

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tenguy

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurar..._Israelis.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpfbcXTeo8

[tenguy]

This made no sense, I kept getting Phil Collins, no matter who I linked. But I finally got it to work.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST8z3cuHi5g

[stumbler]

Israel soldiers injured in clash near Gaza border

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12140551

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Israel soldiers injured in clash near Gaza border

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12140551

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...959790127.html

[smcaaphd]

Hi stumbler. I know you're probably not going to be happy, with me posting in your thread, but I'm going to anyway.

I'm 'involved' with a human rights group and today, I listened to a presentation by a female who goes regularly to Palestine to do volunteer work.

Part of this work, she said, is to accompany the Palestinians as they 'walk their land' - the land that their families have farmed for generations, which is now being stolen by the Israeli settlers. The volunteers also accompany those involved in regular (weekly) peaceful demonstrations, as even the Israeli army is hesitant to open fire on a group which has foreign nationals in its midst.

The talk was really informative, given by someone with firsthand knowledge of the encroaching Israeli wall and the diminishing Palestinian lands. I would heartily recommend attending a talk by someone, if you're ever lucky enough

[stumbler]

Hotel Shepherd bulldozed to make way for new settlement despite global opposition to the move seen as obstacle to peace.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...260555362.html

[stumbler]

Since 1967 countless artifacts have been unearthed and removed from the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Many are displayed in Israeli museums and private collections, while others are sold to tourists.

http://english.aljazeera.net/program...416403822.html

[grig314]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I thought this one deserves its own thread because the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been a topic of so many discussions around here and this is the first opportunity we have to actually see if a peaceful settlement can be reached or as others claim the thousands of years of hatred and religious differences make peace impossible.

Here's where we're at right now.

Direct talks 'to resume' next month




http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...210436454.html

Israel clearly does not want peace. It wants land, ALL the Palstinians' land. And the Palestinians don't want to negotiate a peace with someone who uses every talk they have together to steal more of their land. If peace talks happen peace surely is not going to happen. The US could change it overnight but does not want to.

[richief]

All my life this problem as been rolling along, both sides supported by other nation states, ifwe take away the support the fuckers will soon end the conflict one way or the other.

[AZRIEL]

[stumbler]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/am...632686804.html

[stumbler]

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Gaza's Hamas rulers deployed forces near the Israeli border Thursday to try to prevent smaller militant groups from firing rockets, a sign that the movement fears Israeli retaliation for the escalating barrages from the Palestinian territory.


Hamas leaders called together representatives of militant groups in the seaside strip and told them to hold their fire, according to a meeting participant, before Hamas sent its forces to the border area.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_808825.html

[stumbler]

This looks like a al a Wikileaks kind of approach but I was a little surprised to find breaking news referred to as the Palestine Papers spreading across the news outlets after a story breaking in Al Jazeera releasing papers involving Israeli/Palestinian negoations.

I admit nothing is as it appears with Israel and the Palestinians but I'm a little stunned to find some of what's been going on behind the scenes we see. Just what I've read so far seems like a completely different tone and perhaps realty than what I thought was going on.

Such as Jerusalem for example:

"We proposed that Israel annexes all settlements"

The unprecedented offer by the PA came in a June 15 trilateral meeting in Jerusalem, involving Condoleezza Rice, the then-US secretary of state, Tzipi Livni, the then-Israeli foreign minister, Ahmed Qurei, PA's former prime minister, and Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator.

Qurei: This last proposition could help in the swap process. We proposed that Israel annexes all settlements in Jerusalem except Jabal Abu Ghneim (Har Homa). This is the first time in history that we make such a proposition; we refused to do so in Camp David.


http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...512844113.html

But the real significance to me is not that Israel and Palestine have had much deeper talks and concessions than what has been reported. The real significance is that its being reported now. Which to me represents a much broader effort to crowd Israel into an international corner to reach a peaceful settlement.

[stumbler]

Now this is getting curiouser and curiouser. Here's the Palestinians screaming their heads off claiming Al Jazeera is trying to attack them and consequently Al Jazeera offices are actually under attack.

http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptN...70N0XQ20110124


In the meantime Al Jazeera is running with the story HARD.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

PS I probably started with I think I'm wrong about my first post.

[stumbler]

PA selling short the refugees

Palestinian Authority proposed that only a handful of the nearly six million Palestinian refugees be allowed to return.

http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...324887267.html

A look at just how complex and entrenched the Israeli/Palestinian positions are and possible compromises.

Israel still refuses to take responsibility for creating the Palestinian Refugee crisis, but is willing to negotiate some compensation for them.

http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...266583548.html

Palestinian Authority negotiators compare Obama Administration push for negotiations as holding a gun to their heads.

http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...952425385.html

Jordan objects to Israel and the PLO negotiating refugee solutions without them.

http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...125339673.html

[stumbler]

The Palestine Papers reveal that Fatah was obsessed with maintaining political supremacy over Hamas, with Israel’s cooperation, especially following the 2006 electoral victory of the Islamist movement. Documents obtained by Al Jazeera also show the extent to which the Palestinian Authority cracked down on Hamas institutions to weaken the group and strengthen its own relationship with Israel.


At the height of negotiations, on April 7, 2008, Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni was unequivocal in summing up Israel’s policy: “Our strategic view is to strengthen you and weaken Hamas.”

http://english.aljazeera.net/palesti...595595810.html

[stumbler]

With everything else going on in the middle-east this might seem rather insignificant but here's a story about Israeli settlers going on a rampage they call "price tag" where they destroy Palestinian property in retaliation for actions the Israeli government takes that they don't like.

In this case the rampage occurred because Israeli officials had demolished a couple of unauthorized structure. But the real cause may be an announcement (which was news to me) that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced to his party they might have to bow to international pressure on settlement building.

That's a pretty big announcement in my opinion and the first I've heard of it out of Netanyahu.

JERUSALEM — Vandals smashed the windows of seven Palestinian cars and threw a fire bomb at a Palestinian house in the West Bank early Tuesday – a rampage that Israeli police blamed on Jewish settlers.
Settler groups are furious over the police demolition of two structures at an unauthorized West Bank outpost on Monday, followed by new hints from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel could soon be forced to curb construction in the settlements.


Jewish extremists frequently attack Palestinian property to protest Israeli government action to curb Jewish settlements. They call this policy "price tag."


After Monday's clash at Havat Gilad, an unauthorized outpost in the northern West Bank, settlers held a series of protests in Jerusalem, clogging traffic and blocking a main entrance to the city. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said 37 people were arrested.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a longtime settlement advocate. But on Monday, he hinted that Israel might have to curb its settlement ambitions in response to pressure from the international community, which deplores the construction on lands the Palestinians want for a future state.


"We are trying to maintain existing construction, but we must understand that we are facing a very difficult international reality," he told members of his Likud Party who clamored for more aggressive construction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_829567.html

[zezomedo]

We are people of peace

But the Jews are trying to kill us and spread terror in our lives
I am an Arab from Gaza
Do not listen to the news lie

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by zezomedo

We are people of peace

But the Jews are trying to kill us and spread terror in our lives
I am an Arab from Gaza
Do not listen to the news lie

That can be a very hard thing to do because its so hard to tell what's lies and what's truth.

[Ed Itor]

Originally Posted by zezomedo

We are people of peace

But the Jews are trying to kill us and spread terror in our lives
I am an Arab from Gaza
Do not listen to the news lie

Yep and that is why Hamas is in charge, a known terrorist group that has admitted to killing innocents. It is you that should stop listening to the lies and stop spreading them too.
There was no such people as Palestinians until the Arabs put all those they did not want to accept into what was Judea/Israel. To the Arabs you are like The Romas are to The Europeans, not wanted, they hope that you and The Jews exterminate each other then they will have all the land as they once did.

[grig314]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

I'm probably at least as cynical as the two of you are...but not so cynical that I can't see some value in keeping these talks alive. As long as people are talking, they might stop fighting long enough to see that it's futile to continue doing it.

"...and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Israel clearly does not want peace. Clearly. Unquestionably. They use negotiations to just brazenly blow up Palestinian homes and then for Jewish colonists to move in and build their own homes. Also, look at imemc.com or maannews.net daily. Those Israeli bastards don't go a day without wounding an unarmed Palestinian civilian, and about once a week killing one. I think I clearly showed the extent of the problem in my Israeli Terrorism (aberdeenpublishing.com). No question about it, talks give Israel a chance to consolidate its position in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, both legally given to the Palestinians. The old saw, if you talk there is at least a chance you won't fight, does not work here.

[grig314]

Originally Posted by Ed Itor

Yep and that is why Hamas is in charge, a known terrorist group that has admitted to killing innocents. It is you that should stop listening to the lies and stop spreading them too.
There was no such people as Palestinians until the Arabs put all those they did not want to accept into what was Judea/Israel. To the Arabs you are like The Romas are to The Europeans, not wanted, they hope that you and The Jews exterminate each other then they will have all the land as they once did.

but Hamas is a freedom fighter group that occasionally does terrorist acts but is not devoted to terrorism. The Israeli army and the Isreali settlers are clearly terrorist in nature because they damage unarmed civilians almost exclusively. They are your terrorists. The US names Hamas terrorists and refrains from ever naming the Israeli army or settlers as terrorists although they are, because of the power of the Zionist lobby in the US. It is easy to keep up with EVERYTHING going on in the occupation at the Vermonters for a Just Peace in Palestine/Israel website. They have full archives, so in a week you can be an expert on Palestine/Israel.

[Ed Itor]

Originally Posted by grig314

but Hamas is a freedom fighter group that occasionally does terrorist acts but is not devoted to terrorism. The Israeli army and the Isreali settlers are clearly terrorist in nature because they damage unarmed civilians almost exclusively. They are your terrorists. The US names Hamas terrorists and refrains from ever naming the Israeli army or settlers as terrorists although they are, because of the power of the Zionist lobby in the US. It is easy to keep up with EVERYTHING going on in the occupation at the Vermonters for a Just Peace in Palestine/Israel website. They have full archives, so in a week you can be an expert on Palestine/Israel.

Oh give me a break, you have no homeland as you are a people created in the 1940s for political reasons. Hamas fires missiles into populated areas of Israel and then cry when they lob some back.
If you want to Live in Peace, then stop throwing stones. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because the Jews have been there with The Nazis & they have refused to visit that on others but they will not let it happen to them again. So tread carefully. Remember to all others in the area you are expendable casualties/collateral damages.

[zezomedo]

I am an Arab living in Gaza .. And you do not know anything about what is happening here
Hamas is a terrorist , not they are fighting the Jews, but because it controls Gaza, with iron and fire
The resistance of Israel Occupation , it is legitimate
Because Israel is a country occupied our land & they do not know anything about peace
We are owners of the land the Palestinians will not give them even with our blood

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by grig314

Israel clearly does not want peace. Clearly. Unquestionably. They use negotiations to just brazenly blow up Palestinian homes and then for Jewish colonists to move in and build their own homes. Also, look at imemc.com or maannews.net daily. Those Israeli bastards don't go a day without wounding an unarmed Palestinian civilian, and about once a week killing one. I think I clearly showed the extent of the problem in my Israeli Terrorism (aberdeenpublishing.com). No question about it, talks give Israel a chance to consolidate its position in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, both legally given to the Palestinians. The old saw, if you talk there is at least a chance you won't fight, does not work here.

I've personally witnessed that myself on Israel's part over the decades.

But Grig314 have you seen this:

Its what Al Jazeera is calling the "Palestinian Papers." What do you make of this. It clearly shows much deeper negotiations and even cooperation than I would have ever imagined.

http://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/

Originally Posted by grig314

but Hamas is a freedom fighter group that occasionally does terrorist acts but is not devoted to terrorism. The Israeli army and the Isreali settlers are clearly terrorist in nature because they damage unarmed civilians almost exclusively. They are your terrorists. The US names Hamas terrorists and refrains from ever naming the Israeli army or settlers as terrorists although they are, because of the power of the Zionist lobby in the US. It is easy to keep up with EVERYTHING going on in the occupation at the Vermonters for a Just Peace in Palestine/Israel website. They have full archives, so in a week you can be an expert on Palestine/Israel.

Grig314 I've got to be honest here. I grant and admit that the State of Israel resorted to terrorism, and war crimes to drive the Palestinians out of Israel. I also agree that the State of Israel has been guilty of terrorism and war crimes ever since.

But you guys have been trying to fight terrorism with terrorism for more than 60 years now and since it hasn't worked you really do need a new approach.

I'm really hoping the pro-democracy enthusiasm helps the Palestinians see that violence is not the answer and its time for meaningful peace.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by zezomedo

I am an Arab living in Gaza .. And you do not know anything about what is happening here
Hamas is a terrorist , not they are fighting the Jews, but because it controls Gaza, with iron and fire
The resistance of Israel Occupation , it is legitimate
Because Israel is a country occupied our land & they do not know anything about peace
We are owners of the land the Palestinians will not give them even with our blood

Have you seen this?

http://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/

What do you think about it?

[stumbler]

GAZA, March 21 (Reuters) - Israel launched air strikes in the Gaza Strip on Monday, wounding at least 19 people, after militants fired mortar shells and rockets into the Jewish state, witnesses and militant groups said.


The number of raids and casualties in one evening showed the rising tension between Israel and Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza.


Hamas has stepped up rocket salvoes into Israel after a hiatus since the two sides fought a war two years ago, claiming responsibility for firing more than two dozen mortar shells and rockets at the weekend.


The Israeli military said its warplanes fired at six targets on Monday in response to a rise in rocket and mortar attacks on Israel. About 130 such attacks had been made on Israel this year, 56 of them since Saturday, a military spokesman said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_838839.html


I cannot believe this shit when the Middle East is uprising for freedom and democracy all around Israel and Palestine and they go back to rockets and air strikes.

[stumbler]

American professor Richard Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, told the UN Human Rights Council Monday, “As the report illustrates, the continued pattern of settlement expansion in East Jerusalem combined with the forceful eviction of long-residing Palestinians are creating an intolerable situation that can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/20...nic-cleansing/

[stumbler]

Victims include children and armed fighters, as raids continue in the Gaza Strip

At least eight Palestinians, including children, have been killed in mortar attacks and airstrikes in the Gaza Strip.

The deaths occurred in two separate attacks on the eastern part of Gaza City on Tuesday, witnesses said.

Two of the dead were aged 11 and 16, and four of them were from the al-Quds Brigade, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad movement, a spokesman for the group said.

Four people died when a shell slammed into a family home in Shejaiya, medical sources told AFP news agency. Several hours later, another four were killed - all of them fighters - in an air raid in the nearby Zeitun neighbourhood.

On Tuesday, the military said it was responding to rocket attacks from Gaza. It also confirmed it had fired mortar rounds towards the eastern outskirts of Gaza City on Tuesday, shortly after four rockets hit Israel, and expressed "regret" over reports that civilians had been hurt.

It was the third time Shejaiya had been targeted on Tuesday, following an earlier one which wounded one fighter and a burst of tank fire, which left two civilians wounded shortly after dawn.

Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith, reporting from Gaza, said that more tit-for-tat attacks could be expected.

"Tensions look to be rising here, and violence could increase," he said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...920193682.html

[stumbler]

CNN is reporting there's been some kind of blast or explosion at a main bus station in Jerusalem. There are no reports of deaths. And no determination of what kind of explosion it was. But of course terrorist attack would be the most likely cause. An expert on CNN says it was not a sucide bomber but some other kind of explosive device.

I'll be looking for further reports but this is breaking news on CNN now.

PS Here's the story from Al Jazeera.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...166975300.html

[stumbler]

Thought it might be worth updating this one since Israel is being accused of conducting an air Strike in Port Sudan ........


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...475225620.html

............ and it appears Israel and the Palestinians are ready to go to war again along the Gaza Border.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...459633638.html

[fetish770]

these terrorist palastiniens keep bombing us

[stumbler]

On the other hand did anyone catch any of Israeli President Shimon Peres when he was visiting in the US this week.

I have to admit I was very impressed with I did see of him as someone intelligent, objective, realistic, with a reassuring sense of dry ironic humor.

Peres seemed to be the exact opposite of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. I really can't understand why Peres is not the leader who gets listened to.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by fetish770

these terrorist palastiniens keep bombing us

I think it must be the other way around if its Hamas requesting a cease fire.

Hamas has requested a cease fire, Israel officials say

A security source says Israel is ready to escalate air strikes on Gaza if the barrage of rocket fire continues, although they are willing to wait and see if a Hamas ceasefire holds.



http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...s-say-1.354971

And now here's something you don't hear everyday. In fact I've never heard it before and its supposed to be one of the biggest stumbling blocks to reaching a peaceful resolution.

WikiLeaks: Some Jewish Settlers Ready To Move For Money

JERUSALEM — Newly revealed WikiLeaks documents quote a Jewish settler leader as saying some residents of West Bank settlements would be willing to relocate in exchange for compensation, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported Friday.


Publicly, Dani Dayan, leader of the Yesha settler council, has made forceful declarations that settlers will not leave their homes under any circumstances.


Palestinians seek the West Bank for part of a future state and want the 300,000 Jewish settlers there to leave as part of a peace deal with Israel.
Haaretz published the WikiLeaks finding from among 250,000 leaked U.S. State Department memos provided by the secret-spilling website. It said some 10,000 related to Israel.


In one of the documents, written by U.S. diplomats in Israel, Dayan is quoted as saying that some settlers will move in return for proper compensation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_846877.html

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Al Jazeera is reporting that the Middle East uprisings, that have come to be called, the "Arab Spring" has reached the Palestinians in the occupied territories, when mass protests erupted on the 63rd Anniversary of Nakba (the creation of Israel).

Now, considering how many Palestinians have been killed in the past few weeks during clashes with the Israeli military I think it would be pretty hard to tell one protest from another In Palestine. But according to Al Jazeera the remarkable thing about these protests is they are being organized by Palestinian Youth's engaging in a relatively new form (at least for the Palestinians) of non-violent protests.

Here's a couple paragraphs that really caught my attention:

There was no Tahrir moment, but there were signs that Palestine is beginning to capitalise on the successes of the Arab Spring. A credible youth movement is developing here, capable of coordinating a series of protests over three punishing days, and spilling into three neighbouring countries.


National unity?

Palestinian resistance efforts have been hampered by internal divisions, yet there was little evidence of them at Qalandia's protests. The as-yet unnamed youth movement, which first came to prominence through a series of public hunger strikes for unity, has worked hard to establish connections that cut across barriers of class, religion, political allegiance and geography.

That is incredibly significant to me at least because it basically says the new youth movement is breaking away from both the Palestinian Authority, and Palestinian terrorists and starting their own non-violent movement. That would put Israel at a distinct and glaring disadvantage because Israel has always been able to hide their own terrorism, murder, and war crimes, behind the statements that they were simply meeting violence with violence.


But if the Palestinians renounce violence and terrorism (two key Israeli demands) and Israel continues to kill them I believe the world will be able to see who the real aggressor is and demand changes, including an independent state for the Palestinians.


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...522564602.html


In the meantime, however, the actual workings and actions between Israel and the Palestinians remain as contradictory and complex as ever because while the Israeli military and Palestinians are clashing in the streets and check-points the government of Israel is reversing a block they put on Palestinian funds and handing over $86 million in taxes.


Israel placed the block on the funds transfer after the all the different Palestinian groups signed a unity agreement which Israel said could result in the some of the money finding its way to Hamas.

The Palestinian Authority is due to receive tax revenue funds withheld by Israel since Palestinian factions agreed a unity deal earlier this month, according to Israeli officials.


Approximately $86m in tax and customs revenues from ports and border was held after Fatah and Hamas agreed the deal. Israel justified the freeze on the grounds that some of the money would go to Hamas, which it considers a terrorist organisation.


The money adds up to about a third of the PA's budget, and the freeze meant Palestinian government workers had gone without salaries .
Monday's announcement came after a weekend of deadly clashes on the 63rd anniversary of the founding of Israel in 1948, dubbed the 'catastrophe' or 'Nakba' by Palestinians.


The freeze was originally justified by Israel's finance minister, Yuval Steinitz, who had suggested that "communal fund would finance the terrorist activities of Hamas, and we want it established that there will be two separate funds", although a separate fund was not created.


On Monday, Israeli strategic affairs minister Moshe Yaalon explained: "We have unblocked the funds because we have established that the agreement between Fatah and Hamas has had no effect."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...649153885.html



None of this makes sense to me and I would think is actually a political payoff for the Palestinians killed yesterday by the Israeli Military but it does appear to me the protests yesterday has switched Israel from offense to defense. And it would be fascinating to me to see how Israel would deal with a non-violent protest movement on the part of the Palestinians.

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i don't think so this would happen.. coz the people making money from this conflicts won't allow to do this..its that simple.. keep fighting guys and make a fool out of yourselves lol.. forget everything what you believe and believe what the ones says which is for their benefit..