More Republican Party hilarity...

[stumbler]

............... three of the most hilarious words I've ever heard in a US presidential election .............

SWISS BANK ACCOUNT

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

............... three of the most hilarious words I've ever heard in a US presidential election .............

SWISS BANK ACCOUNT

Plus a Corporation in Bermuda (tax haven) and the Cayman Islands (drug laundry for money)

It is like the guy is making a 150 million dollar bet against America..

Where do the Republicans come up with these guys?

Do they think we will not find all this out...

He was not a Businessman he was a Corporate Raider...

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Plus a Corporation in Bermuda (tax haven) and the Cayman Islands (drug laundry for money)

It is like the guy is making a 150 million dollar bet against America..

Where do the Republicans come up with these guys?

Do they think we will not find all this out...

He was not a Businessman he was a Corporate Raider...

The problem is that on election day the unemployment rate will probably be higher than it was when Obama was inaugurated.

I will vote against Mitt Romney, but I wish I had someone I felt good about voting in favor of.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

The problem is that on election day the unemployment rate will probably be higher than it was when Obama was inaugurated.

I will vote against Mitt Romney, but I wish I had someone I felt good about voting in favor of.

That is the whole idea they are both puppets to the Rothschild family and the bank of England...

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Plus a Corporation in Bermuda (tax haven) and the Cayman Islands (drug laundry for money)

It is like the guy is making a 150 million dollar bet against America..

Where do the Republicans come up with these guys?

Do they think we will not find all this out...

He was not a Businessman he was a Corporate Raider...

I was absolutely stunned by even those revelations but OMG (or a Shit Load Of Political Emptiness) I have seldom seen the left wing noise machine more focused and elated.

And while the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers try to claim President Obama and Eric Holder have something to hide once again they appear to be claiming Mitt Romney does not.

You know the ACA is a tax and Romneycare was just a penalty.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

That is the whole idea they are both puppets to the Rothschild family and the bank of England...

I do not think Obama and Romney are similar at all. Obama is well meaning but incompetent.

Romney is a ruthlessly competent example of what John Kenneth Galbraith meant when he said, "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

[stumbler]

Oh man this just keeps getting better and better.

Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated

Firm’s 2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/poli...UTI/story.html

FactCheck.org: Romney 'would be guilty of a federal felony' by claiming 1999 departure

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ny-128733.html

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Oh man this just keeps getting better and better.

Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated

Firm’s 2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/poli...UTI/story.html

FactCheck.org: Romney 'would be guilty of a federal felony' by claiming 1999 departure

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ny-128733.html

"I like being able to fire people"

- Mitt Romney

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Romney made a fortune firing people and expropriating their incomes and benefits. Now he claims to have a plan to create a robust job market.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

"I like being able to fire people"

- Mitt Romney

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Romney made a fortune firing people and expropriating their incomes and benefits. Now he claims to have a plan to create a robust job market.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Oh man this just keeps getting better and better.

Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated

Firm’s 2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/poli...UTI/story.html

FactCheck.org: Romney 'would be guilty of a federal felony' by claiming 1999 departure

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ny-128733.html

I read all this, it says...

Romney said he left Bain in 1999 yet as late as 2002 he was filing documents with the SEC as the President of Bain.

With SEC documents that get signed they have to be by the current president....

He either was or he was not.

If he was not and submitted SEC Docs with his signature that is a Felony Charge.

If he was the Pres of Bain then he lied about when he left and if that his on his filing for Pres of US....That would be false statement to a Federal Agency which is generally a Felony also....
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so how will turn out...if it has been like all other shit that been going down...

He gets a 20 million bonus and becomes Pres. of the USA (all of my nonsense of course but look at all the other banksters...)

[RandyKnight]

If true....

The above info has got to trigger an investigation by the SEC and the US Elections committee office....

Hell the Republicans may have to bring in Jeb Bush or someone else at their convention....Romney would have to be tossed out....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I read all this, it says...

Romney said he left Bain in 1999 yet as late as 2002 he was filing documents with the SEC as the President of Bain.

With SEC documents that get signed they have to be by the current president....

He either was or he was not.

If he was not and submitted SEC Docs with his signature that is a Felony Charge.

If he was the Pres of Bain then he lied about when he left and if that his on his filing for Pres of US....That would be false statement to a Federal Agency which is generally a Felony also....
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so how will turn out...if it has been like all other shit that been going down...

He gets a 20 million bonus and becomes Pres. of the USA (all of my nonsense of course but look at all the other banksters...)

And check this out now apparently Mitt Romney is calling Mitt Romney a liar.

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney's repeated claim that he played no part in executive decision-making related to Bain after 1999 is false, according to Romney's own testimony in June 2002, in which he admitted to sitting on the board of the Lifelike Co., a doll maker that was a Bain investment during the period.


Romney has consistently insisted that he was too busy organizing the 2002 Winter Olympics to take part in Bain business between 1999 and that event. But in the testimony, which was provided to The Huffington Post, Romney noted that he regularly traveled back to Massachusetts. "[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth," he said.
Romney's sworn testimony was given as part of a hearing to determine whether he had sufficient residency status in Massachusetts to run for governor.


Romney testified that he "remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the Life Like Corporation" at the time.
Yet in the Aug. 12, 2011, federal disclosure form filed as part of his presidential bid, he said, "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1669006.html

PS And leave it to the Romney campaign to come out today with a ad calling President Obama a liar.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And check this out now apparently Mitt Romney is calling Mitt Romney a liar.

Mitt was telling the truth. You should be happy with him.

Originally Posted by stumbler

PS And leave it to the Romney campaign to come out today with a ad calling President Obama a liar.

Again, Mitt was just telling the truth....

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And check this out now apparently Mitt Romney is calling Mitt Romney a liar.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1669006.html

It looks like the Democrats are finally learning how to play hardball. I am glad to see it. If it can be proven that Romney lied, and if this was a felony, criminal charges should be brought against him.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

It looks like the Democrats are finally learning how to play hardball. I am glad to see it. If it can be proven that Romney lied, and if this was a felony, criminal charges should be brought against him.

You call that "hardball"? You think this is going anywhere?

As always, your butt licking "I still want to be your friend" post is without merit and shows your desperation.

[stumbler]

Like I said this just keeps getting better and better.

Bainy Days And Mondays: Current Uncovers More Damning Mitt Romney Documents

Building on reporting by The Washington Post, whose expose´ on Bain Capital’s outsourcing became the subject of Obama campaign attacks on Mitt Romney, and Mother Jones‘ David Corn, who uncovered SEC documents which contradict Mitt Romney’s claim that he’s not responsible for Bain’s outsourcing, and The Boston Globe, who found more such documents, former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm revealed new evidence that Mitt Romney actually had a say in what the company he owned did.


“We have uncovered documents that reveal he was actively involved in Bain Capital businesses, even though he claimed he retired from the private equity company in 1999,” Gov. Granholm told viewers Thursday night. “Current TV has learned that Mitt Romney was the 100% stakeholder in 11 Bain Capital entities later than 1999. Romney signed, in 2003, a Massachusetts State Ethics Commission document stating he held several ‘executive’ positions at Bain Capital and its affiliates.”


What makes this filing different than the others uncovered is that, according to Gov. Granholm, “This Massachusetts Ethics Commission filing distinguishes between the Bain companies in which he played an active role, and others where he had ‘no active role.’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bainy-day...ney-documents/

EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing


The GOP candidate decries China poaching US jobs. But at Bain he held a large stake in a Chinese company that did just that.

Yet there is another aspect to the Romney-as-outsourcer controversy. According to government documents reviewed by Mother Jones, Romney, when he was in charge of Bain, invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...na-global-tech

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Like I said this just keeps getting better and better.

Bainy Days And Mondays: Current Uncovers More Damning Mitt Romney Documents



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bainy-day...ney-documents/

EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing


The GOP candidate decries China poaching US jobs. But at Bain he held a large stake in a Chinese company that did just that.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...na-global-tech

You retarded libs cry about this so called jobs outsourcing. However, you have no problem with the millions of illegal's in this Country taking those same jobs from right under your nose.

Just proves how pathetic and lost you really are.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

You retarded libs cry about this so called jobs outsourcing. However, you have no problem with the millions of illegal's in this Country taking those same jobs from right under your nose.

Just proves how pathetic and lost you really are.

Nope you are just lying again Natural Boy. I have a very big problem with undocumented workers finding jobs in the US which is why I campaign for really serious fines up to and including fortune of all assets for any business who employees them.

So I guess you're actually looking in that mirror again aren't you?

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Like I said this just keeps getting better and better.

Bainy Days And Mondays: Current Uncovers More Damning Mitt Romney Documents



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bainy-day...ney-documents/

EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing


The GOP candidate decries China poaching US jobs. But at Bain he held a large stake in a Chinese company that did just that.



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...na-global-tech

If these guys keep finding this shit the Republicans are gonna nominate someone else at their convention that might beat Obama in the election...
Romeny will not beat him....

There are a few out there that might beat him, I think....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

If these guys keep finding this shit the Republicans are gonna nominate someone else at their convention that might beat Obama in the election...
Romeny will not beat him....

There are a few out there that might beat him, I think....

I don't see that as much of a threat. You saw the slate of GOP candidates and Mitt topped them. Plus look at the millions of dollars already spent on Mitt and the amount of time and effort the GOP has in him.

If anything I think it shows the GOP can't get their act together.

Why wasn't Romney vetted as they like to claim about President Obama.

[RandyKnight]

Bill Clinton perplexed by Romney's tax statements

Former President Bill Clinton says Mitt Romney's financial record is a matter of legitimate campaign scrutiny because he's been selling himself as a fix-it man on the economy

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Nope you are just lying again Natural Boy. I have a very big problem with undocumented workers finding jobs in the US which is why I campaign for really serious fines up to and including fortune of all assets for any business who employees them.

So I guess you're actually looking in that mirror again aren't you?

Yeah right liar.... what you just posted is the exact opposite of what Obama is doing in regards to illegal's.

Everyone here knows you are on your knees sucking Obama dick 24-7.

You are so pathetic, I am starting to have pity on you....

[stumbler]

Romney Interview Directly Contradicts His Previous Statements About Bain Tenure

Mitt Romney told CBS News‘s Jan Crawford Friday evening that he did not attend Bain Capital meetings after he left the company in February of 1999 to run the Winter Olympics. But this answer appears to contradict sworn testimony he delivered in 2002 “as part of a hearing to determine whether he had sufficient residency status in Massachusetts to run for governor”:

– 2002: “[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth.”



– 2012: “I was in Salt Lake City for three straight years. I don’t recall even coming back once to go to a Bain or management meeting. We were, I was out there running the Olympics and it was a full time job, I can tell you that.”

“Jan, I had no involvement with the management of Bain Capital after 1999,” Romney insisted on Friday.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...t-bain-tenure/

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Romney Interview Directly Contradicts His Previous Statements About Bain Tenure




http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...t-bain-tenure/

I more I hear him on TV and read all this shit I believe he is a pathological liar....you know those types believe their own lies.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I more I hear him on TV and read all this shit I believe he is a pathological liar....you know those types believe their own lies.

Yep, it's not hard to see Romney is a liar. I think it's a requirement if you want to run for president.

There is a very easy way to tell when he's lying. His lips start moving....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I more I hear him on TV and read all this shit I believe he is a pathological liar....you know those types believe their own lies.

Look, as I have said since nearly my first day on this forum my crusade is to expose the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced in this nation. I'm as hardcore partisan as they come as far as I know but when I watched Mitt Romney's interviews this afternoon I felt sick. Man, I don't know if Mitt the man, let alone Romney the candidate will survive.

Holy political shit, its most often he said she said. It's a bunch of shit you can't really prove. Its innuendo and aspersions. Not signed documents and legal testimony.

And that's bad. Real bad. Because no matter how much I fight against conservatism no matter how much of a fighter you think you are you don't REALLY know unless you have a real opponent. And that might be the case here.

I never meant to kill conservatism, just slap it into reality.

[RandyKnight]

I heard this morning Romney being interviewed on TV.

He convincing claims that he had no active management of Bain after 1999 (date).

So here is the deal...he may have left Bain in charge with others but if he signed SEC documents as President of Bain 2000 and 2001 he had final control with Bain.

He should have resigned as President of Bain in 1999 in the Corporation by-laws and minutes of the Corp meetings and someone else should have signed the Documents.

This all could have been solved if he had just reported to the Election Committee that from 1999 to 2002 (or whenever he did officially resigned from Bain) as the fact he had over lapping business duties and responsibilities.

I have over lapped several business that I have owned in the past.

But he is taking credit for what Bain did after he said he left.

What a web we weave when we practice to deceive.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I heard this morning Romney being interviewed on TV.

He convincing claims that he had no active management of Bain after 1999 (date).

So here is the deal...he may have left Bain in charge with others but if he signed SEC documents as President of Bain 2000 and 2001 he had final control with Bain.

He should have resigned as President of Bain in 1999 in the Corporation by-laws and minutes of the Corp meetings and someone else should have signed the Documents.

This all could have been solved if he had just reported to the Election Committee that from 1999 to 2002 (or whenever he did officially resigned from Bain) as the fact he had over lapping business duties and responsibilities.

I have over lapped several business that I have owned in the past.

But he is taking credit for what Bain did after he said he left.

What a web we weave when we practice to deceive.

If Romney committed a felony by lying, and I hope he did, I hope legal charges are brought against him.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I heard this morning Romney being interviewed on TV.

He convincing claims that he had no active management of Bain after 1999 (date).

So here is the deal...he may have left Bain in charge with others but if he signed SEC documents as President of Bain 2000 and 2001 he had final control with Bain.

He should have resigned as President of Bain in 1999 in the Corporation by-laws and minutes of the Corp meetings and someone else should have signed the Documents.

This all could have been solved if he had just reported to the Election Committee that from 1999 to 2002 (or whenever he did officially resigned from Bain) as the fact he had over lapping business duties and responsibilities.

I have over lapped several business that I have owned in the past.

But he is taking credit for what Bain did after he said he left.

What a web we weave when we practice to deceive.

Misleading statements, half truths and of course the ever popular mixing the truth with the lies. Yep, I would say that Romney is guilty of all that and more.

But isn't this normal for a politician? Isn't this what we have come to expect from our elected officials? So much that we have become tolerant of it?

Is Obama any different?

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

If Romney committed a felony by lying, and I hope he did, I hope legal charges are brought against him.

Maybe you and him could share a cell!

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Maybe you and him could share a cell!

Why, because I appreciate the photography of David Hamilton?

His books have sold in the millions. It would be a crowded cell.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Why, because I appreciate the photography of David Hamilton?

His books have sold in the millions. It would be a crowded cell.

I have not heard the name of David Hamilton since the early days of the Internet...are his books still even in print?

[stumbler]

What We Know About Romney and Bain, Explained

The battle over Mitt Romney's role at Bain and whether he was actually running the company after he claims to have left continues. Here's what we know about the GOP presidential candidate's involvement with the private equity firm:
Romney claims he left Bain in 1999.

• In his 2011 federal financial disclosure documents, Romney asserted that he left Bain in 1999 to run the Olympics and "had not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital Entity in any way" since then.
• Bain released a statement to Politico saying that Romney's story is true:

Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure. Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney's departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period."

Official documents and other sources contradict Romney and Bain's account.
Among them:

• Six SEC filings announcing Bain's acquisition of other companies (collected here by the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler) that are signed by Mitt Romney.
• Those SEC filings, among them those first highlighted by my Mother Jones colleague David Corn and Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall, list Romney's "principal occupation" as "managing director of Bain, Inc," as well as "chairman" and "chief executive officer."
• As David reported on July 2, a press release issued on Bain's behalf in 1999 describes Romney as the CEO of Bain and says he's on a "a part-time leave of absence to head the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee."
• Sworn testimony uncovered by Huffington Post's Ryan Grim and Jason Cherkis in which Romney states that "[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth," after 1999 and before 2003. Cherkis and Grim report that during this time, Romney continued to sit on the boards of Staples and LifeLike, a doll-making company—firms that Bain had invested in.
• As Grim and Cherkis reported, Romney's lawyer said in 2002 that Romney's "private and public ties to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts" continued "unabated" during his time running the Olympics.
• Romney told the Globe in 1999 that he would "stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions." As Slate's Dave Weigel points out, this article was cited in an email the Romney campaign sent out to rebut claims that Romney remained involved with Bain after 1999.
• News reports from during Romney's 2002 run for governor refer to his affiliation with Bain during the 1999-2002 period as a "leave of absence," not a full departure. As Politicker reported Friday, Romney retained a "very active role" with Bain during a previous leave of absence, when he ran for Senate in 1994.

So where does that leave us?

• Bain and Romney's claim that he had"absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or any of its portfolio companies" is deeply implausible, given the SEC filings and Romney's role on the boards of LifeLike and Staples.Lifelike, in particular, was a Bain portfolio company by any definition, and Romney was on its board—perhaps a passive management role, but indisputably a management role. As Brad DeLong writes, "It would be very unusual for somebody to have the titles of not just 'CEO' but 'President,' 'Chairman of the Board' and be 'sole stockholder' and to have no responsibilities whatsoever." As a factual matter, Romney's claim of zero involvement is contradicted by what we currently know.
• That said, none of the documents uncovered so far disprove Romney's claim that he had no direct, day-to-day managerial role at Bain after February 1999. The Romney campaign seems to believe that inoculates the candidate from responsibility for Bain's investment decisions during that time, despite the fact that Romney continued as CEO, president, and chairman of the board and benefited financially from Bain's investments.
• But even if Romney wasn't involved in Bain after 1999 (a claim contradicted by the documentary evidence), he's still not off the hook for outsourcing. As my Mother Jones colleague David Corn has reported, there's at least one example of Bain investing in outsourcing prior to the date Romney says he left.

Although the Obama campaign's initial claims about Romney's personally deciding to invest in outsourcing post-1999 were misleading, the Obama camp has shifted from accusing Romney of being directly responsible for deals that moved jobs overseas to accusing Romney of profiting from such deals, which is beyond dispute.


As Talking Points Memo's Brian Beutler wrote on Thursday, "For Romney to be truly off the hook politically for the stuff Bain was doing, he'd have to claim not lack of control, but lack of knowledge." It's hard to believe that Romney didn't know what was going on at a company where he was the president, CEO, chairman of the board, and owner.


UPDATE: In an interview with local DC ABC affiliate WJLA, President Barack Obama says Romney should have to answer questions about his tenure at Bain:

Ultimately Mr. Romney, I think, is going to have to answer those questions, because if he aspires to being president one of the things you learn is, you are ultimately responsible for the conduct of your operations, but again that's probably a question that he's going to have to answer and I think that's a legitimate part of the campaign.


Now, my understanding is that Mr. Romney attested to the SEC, multiple times, that he was the chairman, CEO and president of Bain Capital and I think most Americans figure if you are the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...bain-explainer

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

What We Know About Romney and Bain, Explained




http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...bain-explainer

[/INDENT]

Here is a statement from Obama that I feel he needs to get in front of a mirror and repeat to himself a few dozen times...

President Barack Obama says Romney should have to answer questions about his tenure at Bain:

Ultimately Mr. Romney, I think, is going to have to answer those questions, because if he aspires to

being president one of the things you learn is, you are ultimately responsible for the conduct of your operations,

but again that's probably a question that he's going to have to answer and I think that's a legitimate part of the campaign

I will not bother to list what I think he needs to fess up to.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

............... three of the most hilarious words I've ever heard in a US presidential election .............

SWISS BANK ACCOUNT

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Plus a Corporation in Bermuda (tax haven) and the Cayman Islands (drug laundry for money)

It is like the guy is making a 150 million dollar bet against America..

Where do the Republicans come up with these guys?

Do they think we will not find all this out...

He was not a Businessman he was a Corporate Raider...

BEST I hav seen yet

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/romney-wealth-hidden-offshore-accounts-report-article-1.1107126

Mitt Romney’s massive fortune - estimated to be as high as $250 million - is held in a complex and opaque network of offshore havens that are impossible to penetrate, according to a report in Vanity Fair.

Romney had a Swiss bank account and has interests in tax havens like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The Romney campaign has insisted he does not use the havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, but Vanity Fair wrote it is impossible to confirm that he is not seeing a savings.

The Republican candidate paid a 14 percent tax rate on $21.7 million in income in 2010 – far lower than the rate paid by many Americans because his earnings comes from investments rather than wages.

Vanity Fair noted that Romney has continued to receive large payments from Bain Capital since leaving the private equity firm in 1999.

Romney has personal interests in at least a dozen of the 138 or more funds organized by Bain in the Cayman Islands.

Vanity Fair said the Romney-related funds are worth as much as $30 million and hidden behind confidentiality disclaimers.

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The part about the Blind Trust are enought to make them lose the right to be quaified as a Blind Trust

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

BEST I hav seen yet

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/romney-wealth-hidden-offshore-accounts-report-article-1.1107126

Mitt Romney’s massive fortune - estimated to be as high as $250 million - is held in a complex and opaque network of offshore havens that are impossible to penetrate, according to a report in Vanity Fair.

Romney had a Swiss bank account and has interests in tax havens like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The Romney campaign has insisted he does not use the havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, but Vanity Fair wrote it is impossible to confirm that he is not seeing a savings.

The Republican candidate paid a 14 percent tax rate on $21.7 million in income in 2010 – far lower than the rate paid by many Americans because his earnings comes from investments rather than wages.

Vanity Fair noted that Romney has continued to receive large payments from Bain Capital since leaving the private equity firm in 1999.

Romney has personal interests in at least a dozen of the 138 or more funds organized by Bain in the Cayman Islands.

Vanity Fair said the Romney-related funds are worth as much as $30 million and hidden behind confidentiality disclaimers.

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The part about the Blind Trust are enought to make them lose the right to be quaified as a Blind Trust

You know Randy, every thing you say about Romney is 100% true.

However, the problem I have is that both parties have done nothing to address the fact that the loop holes that allow the super rich to do this have never been changed.

The middle class has been screwed over by both the Republicans and Democrats.

They both suck and I see the future of the USA as being very bleak.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

You know Randy, every thing you say about Romney is 100% true.

However, the problem I have is that both parties have done nothing to address the fact that the loop holes that allow the super rich to do this have never been changed.

The middle class has been screwed over by both the Republicans and Democrats.

They both suck and I see the future of the USA as being very bleak.

I know you don't like Obama but tax wise if you are a working middle class guy your taxes should have been lower under Obama than the last 3 presidents...mine have been...

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I know you don't like Obama but tax wise if you are a working middle class guy your taxes should have been lower under Obama than the last 3 presidents...mine have been...

My Federal taxes have stayed the same. My State and local taxes have went up (I live in Illinois).

The way I see it, no matter which one of these men get elected this November, taxes will go up for the middle class.

The Republicans are not going to allow a big tax increase on the rich and the Democrats will only give it lip service anyway.

Then they will both agree that that poor can't pay. So they will compromise and stick it to the middle class like always..

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

BEST I hav seen yet

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/romney-wealth-hidden-offshore-accounts-report-article-1.1107126

Mitt Romney’s massive fortune - estimated to be as high as $250 million - is held in a complex and opaque network of offshore havens that are impossible to penetrate, according to a report in Vanity Fair.

Romney had a Swiss bank account and has interests in tax havens like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. The Romney campaign has insisted he does not use the havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, but Vanity Fair wrote it is impossible to confirm that he is not seeing a savings.

The Republican candidate paid a 14 percent tax rate on $21.7 million in income in 2010 – far lower than the rate paid by many Americans because his earnings comes from investments rather than wages.

Vanity Fair noted that Romney has continued to receive large payments from Bain Capital since leaving the private equity firm in 1999.

Romney has personal interests in at least a dozen of the 138 or more funds organized by Bain in the Cayman Islands.

Vanity Fair said the Romney-related funds are worth as much as $30 million and hidden behind confidentiality disclaimers.

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The part about the Blind Trust are enought to make them lose the right to be quaified as a Blind Trust

I am not as smart as I think I am and therefore often wrong. But what I suspect Romney is actually trying to conceal is his income; i.e. from Bain and the years in question.

And what I think might have actually happened is back when Mitt was running for governor they knew the Bain Hits were coming and they managed a little side step that he wasn't really involved. And then just slandered his opponent who contended he was actually responsible for a lot of their rust belt.

Hey, it worked. Romney denied responsibility, skated around the fact checkers, and got to be governor. But the down side was then he was saddled with the narrative and lots of stubborn facts that contradicted his public pronouncements.

You know there I think the real proof is? The reports of the McCain campaign vetting Romney for a possible VP. He did have to turn over his financial records to them. And they picked Sarah Palin.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

My Federal taxes have stayed the same. My State and local taxes have went up (I live in Illinois).

The way I see it, no matter which one of these men get elected this November, taxes will go up for the middle class.

The Republicans are not going to allow a big tax increase on the rich and the Democrats will only give it lip service anyway.

Then they will both agree that that poor can't pay. So they will compromise and stick it to the middle class like always..

I dont much care for either one.....

I like Paul....but he is just a little too far out there on some stuff that is scary to me....

He will let people die if they don't have health insurance and that just ain't right....

If Obama comes down on investment income I get murdered although I am not high income most comes from investments...

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

I dont much care for either one.....

I like Paul....but he is just a little too far out there on some stuff that is scary to me....

He will let people die if they don't have health insurance and that just ain't right....

If Obama comes down on investment income I get murdered although I am not high income most comes from investments...

Randy you don't have to agree with this but I want to say it anyway. A vast majority of those who claim to hate their various governments are too brainwashed and stupid (two different things) to realize they wouldn't last 30 days without their government.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Randy you don't have to agree with this but I want to say it anyway. A vast majority of those who claim to hate their various governments are too brainwashed and stupid (two different things) to realize they wouldn't last 30 days without their government.

Only the strong and fit, smart, bad ass would live...and then them and there gang would be the govt

But I have never said no govt...

Without rules and govt I would have killed some I would more than likly be dead today...

things have just gotten out whack...not sure they will be right again but there has never been a perfect time...That I have ever read about...

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Only the strong and fit, smart, bad ass would live...and then them and there gang would be the govt

But I have never said no govt...

Without rules and govt I would have killed some I would more than likly be dead today...

things have just gotten out whack...not sure they will be right again but there has never been a perfect time...That I have ever read about...

I watched the Sanitation Engineers (prevously known as garbage collectors) bury New York City in their own garbage in less than 30 days.

That water suddenly goes off and the next thing you know you're wallowing in your own shit.

A night without electricity is one thing. A month with no electricity no heat and no refrigeration is quite deadly to parrots.

But they will die squawking.

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Romney Suggests Releasing Additional Tax Returns Could Be Politically Damaging

Mitt Romney appeared on Fox & Friends Monday morning to respond to the growing number of conservatives who are calling on the former Massachusetts governor to release more of his tax returns.


At least eight Republicans have urged Romney to publicize the records and put the issue behind him, but the candidate is sticking to his guns. The public will see just two years of returns and no more, Romney said, before appearing to admit that the records may contain something politically damaging:

ROMNEY: The Obama people keep on wanting more and more and more. More things to pick through, more things for their opposition research to try make a mountain out of and to distort and to be dishonest about. We’re going to put out two years of tax returns.

Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ally-damaging/

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Good ol' Ma Jones.

5 Questions for the Fact-Checkers on Romney and Bain

Media fact-checkers continue to take issue with the Obama campaign's claims that Mitt Romney was responsible for Bain Capital's outsourcing of American jobs, even though journalists (including Mother Jones' David Corn, Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall, the Boston Globe, Huffington Post, and others) continue to uncover more information about Romney's role at Bain between 1999 and 2002. Here are five questions for Annenberg's FactCheck.org and the Washington Post's Fact Checker that may help sort things out:

1. Is it possible that even without day-to-day managerial control, Mitt Romney may bear some moral or personal responsibility for the actions of Bain Capital post-1999, given that no one is disputing that he benefited financially from its actions and that his name was on the door? Is that question even fact-checkable?
2. Much of the debate over when Romney left Bain has been driven by the Obama campaign's claims that Bain invested in outsourcing US jobs while he was there. Factcheckers have said it's unfair to tie Romney to outsourcing during the 1999-2002 period. How should voters account for the fact that, as Corn reported, Bain invested in Global-Tech Appliances, a Chinese company that depended on outsourcing, prior to February 1999?
3. Even if the Obama campaign made inflated claims about Romney's post-1999 role at Bain, are Bain and Romney's categorical denials that Romney was not "involved in the operations of any Bain Capital Entity in any way" and Romney "has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure" justifiable? What is the definition of "operations" and "management activities?" Does it include signing documents? Are companies that Bain part-owned "Bain Capital Entities?" Are companies like LifeLike, whose board meetings Romney says he attended, Bain "portfolio companies?" If not, what is a "portfolio company?" Does serving as CEO/president/chairman of the Bain board count as a "management activity?" If not, why not?
4. Does what we know about Romney's situation during the 1999-2002 period—that Jane Swift's Massachusetts governorship had not yet imploded, that Romney was also mulling a run for Utah governor, that contemporaneous accounts refer to him taking a "leave of absence," and that on Sunday one of his advisers referred to Romney's retirement as "retroactive"—indicate that Romney was maintaining some ties with Bain, if not active day-to-day management, in order to keep his options open if a political opportunity did not become available? Given those circumstances, would the company have made major decisions he strongly disagreed with?
5. Most broadly: Given the available evidence, is it unfair to attribute any responsibility for Bain's post-1999 actions to Mitt Romney? Are such attacks completely out of bounds? Would it be correct to say that Romney's company—rather than Romney himself—outsourced jobs, given that he still owned it?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...omney-and-bain

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Now this is getting hilarious.

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

Of course as far as I know Teresa Heinz Kerry was not running for president and Ann Romney hasn't released her tax returns either.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Now this is getting hilarious.

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

Of course as far as I know Teresa Heinz Kerry was not running for president and Ann Romney hasn't released her tax returns either.

Who cares?

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Democrats Mock GOP For Protecting Own Health Care In Repeal Vote

“House Republicans refuse to admit they voted to give themselves taxpayer funded lifetime guaranteed health care instead of having the same health care as their constituents,” said Jesse Ferguson, spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, referring to the fact that members of Congress are eligible for retirement benefits after just five years.


“House Republicans didn’t just vote to protect insurance company campaign donor profits this time, they’re even helping themselves to lifetime taxpayer-funded government health care and now they need to be honest with their constituents and admit it,” Ferguson said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1675551.html

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Seven Tea Party Freshmen Spent More Than $100,000 In Taxpayer Money On Personal Cars

Though they campaigned on a platform of reducing the deficit and ridding wasteful spending, more than a half-dozen Tea Party congressmen have collectively spent over $100,000 in taxpayer money on personal vehicles.


ThinkProgress examined spending records for the 112th Congress and found seven GOP freshmen — Reps. Chip Cravaack (R-MN), Sean Duffy (R-WI), Bill Flores (R-TX), Cory Gardner (R-CO), Bill Johnson (R-OH), Mike Pompeo (R-KS), and Steve Womack (R-AR) — who had spent an average of $15,000 on cars for themselves. All together, their taxpayer bill totaled $106,643.


There is nothing illegal about the practice of using taxpayer money to lease personal-use cars, but it smacks of hypocrisy for Tea Partiers like Duffy who promised to “lead by example” when it comes to deficit reduction.


Many of the vehicles go beyond a standard sedan. For example, Cravaack is charging taxpayers more than $1,000 a month to pay the lease on his 2011 Chevy Equinox, a crossover SUV with all-wheel drive.


Here’s what the seven Republican freshmen’s congressional offices have spent on cars in the past year and a half:

• Rep. Chip Cravaack (R-MN): $25,580.84
• Rep. Sean Duffy (R-WI): $24,525.00
• Rep. Bill Flores (R-TX): $10,997.45
• Rep. Cory Gardner (R-CO): $20,978.07
• Rep. Bill Johnson (R-OH): $4,889.76
• Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-KS): $8,848.00
• Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR): $10,746.59
• Total: $106,643

Data from this report was compiled from the House of Representatives’ official Statement of Disbursements, a quarterly publication regarding all expenditures for House offices, for the 112th Congress.
Angela Guo contributed to this report.

Update


To clarify, these payments were not personal expenditures from each congressman’s $174,000 salary. The $106,643 in car payments were discretionary office expenses.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...ty-car-leases/