Supporters of ban on pedophile stories

[RegressOffender]

Originally Posted by ArousedReader1991

Actually biologically 18 is the conservative age at which a body is definitely done with puberty, and mentally it's so you're old enough to know what you're doing

Oh please, come out of your cave!!!!

[yagamilight]

I love seeing all you uptight fear-mongers getting so worked up over this, I'd much rather read pedo stories than have sex with kids, and I'd much rather pedophiles got off on stories rather than with actual kids. You people, all the ones against it, really need to get your head out of the gutter wherein lies the idea that words and thoughts are equivalent to physical actions. Still, most of you are American and/or religious, so I can't say I'm surprised.

[Almas]

Originally Posted by writerxx

if you dont like what your reading then STOP and read something else, like the television if you dont like the programe change channels or turn it off.
whats simpler then that

Sometimes I read stupid comments and let them slide, other times I have to bite. TV is censored before you make your choice to watch it or not. Next time you make a comparrison use an accurate one otherwise your argument falls down..

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by yagamilight

I love seeing all you uptight fear-mongers getting so worked up over this, I'd much rather read pedo stories than have sex with kids, and I'd much rather pedophiles got off on stories rather than with actual kids. You people, all the ones against it, really need to get your head out of the gutter wherein lies the idea that words and thoughts are equivalent to physical actions. Still, most of you are American and/or religious, so I can't say I'm surprised.

Which is what many of us have been trying to point out... though I do fit in both of your sub categories I am also enlightened and don't play well in a box... so Nice shot!

[yagamilight]

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

Which is what many of us have been trying to point out... though I do fit in both of your sub categories I am also enlightened and don't play well in a box... so Nice shot!

I avoided putting Texas as it seemed like too much of a long shot, apparently it wasn't...

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by yagamilight

I avoided putting Texas as it seemed like too much of a long shot, apparently it wasn't...

Read some of my stories...

[observer20]

Totally agree with a ban on pedophile stories, the baby rapers should find their own place to hang out. Having pedo stories on here just gives bible thumpers and other anti-porn wingnuts ammunition for their crusade against places like this.

[thunder133]

Normally I wouldn't throw my in cents in but after reading a few posts (some left me laughing and others just fuming) let me truly state a few things from a person that as a kid experienced some of the things written about. The biggest thing that leaves me laughing and pissed at people is those out there that think a person under 18 (or what ever age you choose) cannot want to experiment sexually, or have a sex drive. That is just pure bull shit, as a kid that was that way I have to say that it was a blast. I look back now on many of the things me and my friends (partners in crime) did and laugh. What we all found funny then was that adults were truly clueless to what was really going on.

Now currently (and this may be only in the southwest US) most people are sexually active by the 7th and 8th grade. I think numbers around here are putting that to about 70%, and by freshmen year of HS is closer to 90%. I have been a mentor/friend to many teens (nothing sexual there) and it is amazing at what you find out when they feel they can trust you and revel what really goes on with teens these days. So for people to make a big stink that "kids" have no idea what they are doing, I'm sorry to say but you are FAR off base. Now I will grant that I am biased here in that me and my friends started around 1st grade give or take, so I can't really speak for others but I can speak for what I experienced.

As for the stories on here hell they are just words.......... and if words scare you that bad then don't go to that kind of story. I am pretty damn openminded but there are ones that I won't read, and I thank the authors for posting a brief listing about what is contained in a story at the top. Personally one of the things that has always drawn me to the site is the lack of censorship, it reminds me of the early days on the net. And if people feel there needs to be censorship then like me and others just avoid the stories that you don't like. For me there are a few authors that really do remind me of what it was like as a younger person starting out, and to these authors I have sent thanks. But I will add in that everyone one of us out there really does enjoy something or another that would be viewed as wrong to someone else. However since no one but words are harmed on here then why make a major fuss? If like some people point out they stories are used to groom a kid, well I hate to say this but I never read a pedo story growing up, all I found were ones about other adults and that told me all I needed to know. So sorry that argument doesn't hold any water.

The comment above me talks about bible thumpers and the anti-porn idiots. Now I will say that this group really does loose me in both their arguments, and their ideals. But the one thing that I know is that no matter WHAT kind of story or sexual act is discussed these people are going to throw a fit. Some people just have to have something to fight against and anything porn related is a very easy topic.

Sorry if I rambled there, but I did feel like adding in a little fuel for thought. Some of you have valid arguments and thoughts, but instead of a ban perhaps a different organizational scheme or something could be tried, the problems with bans is once they get started it is very hard to decide where to stop them.

[peehorny]

I look at it his way. Everybody were kids one. I was 14 when I lost my virginity. The girl was 16. With this stated, adults should not be involved with children pornography or used as sexual objects. I am against pedophelia.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by thunder133

Normally I wouldn't throw my in cents in but after reading a few posts (some left me laughing and others just fuming) let me truly state a few things from a person that as a kid experienced some of the things written about. The biggest thing that leaves me laughing and pissed at people is those out there that think a person under 18 (or what ever age you choose) cannot want to experiment sexually, or have a sex drive. That is just pure bull shit, as a kid that was that way I have to say that it was a blast. I look back now on many of the things me and my friends (partners in crime) did and laugh. What we all found funny then was that adults were truly clueless to what was really going on.

Now currently (and this may be only in the southwest US) most people are sexually active by the 7th and 8th grade. I think numbers around here are putting that to about 70%, and by freshmen year of HS is closer to 90%. I have been a mentor/friend to many teens (nothing sexual there) and it is amazing at what you find out when they feel they can trust you and revel what really goes on with teens these days. So for people to make a big stink that "kids" have no idea what they are doing, I'm sorry to say but you are FAR off base. Now I will grant that I am biased here in that me and my friends started around 1st grade give or take, so I can't really speak for others but I can speak for what I experienced.

As for the stories on here hell they are just words.......... and if words scare you that bad then don't go to that kind of story. I am pretty damn openminded but there are ones that I won't read, and I thank the authors for posting a brief listing about what is contained in a story at the top. Personally one of the things that has always drawn me to the site is the lack of censorship, it reminds me of the early days on the net. And if people feel there needs to be censorship then like me and others just avoid the stories that you don't like. For me there are a few authors that really do remind me of what it was like as a younger person starting out, and to these authors I have sent thanks. But I will add in that everyone one of us out there really does enjoy something or another that would be viewed as wrong to someone else. However since no one but words are harmed on here then why make a major fuss? If like some people point out they stories are used to groom a kid, well I hate to say this but I never read a pedo story growing up, all I found were ones about other adults and that told me all I needed to know. So sorry that argument doesn't hold any water.

The comment above me talks about bible thumpers and the anti-porn idiots. Now I will say that this group really does loose me in both their arguments, and their ideals. But the one thing that I know is that no matter WHAT kind of story or sexual act is discussed these people are going to throw a fit. Some people just have to have something to fight against and anything porn related is a very easy topic.

Sorry if I rambled there, but I did feel like adding in a little fuel for thought. Some of you have valid arguments and thoughts, but instead of a ban perhaps a different organizational scheme or something could be tried, the problems with bans is once they get started it is very hard to decide where to stop them.

I haven't seen anyone on here claiming that kids and teens are asexual beings, the point is that they should be allowed to develop normally and do age appropriate things, not have a sexual relationship with someone that is way out of their developmental range.

You were engaging in sexual activity in grade 1? That's what, less than 10 years old for sure right? That is far too young to be doing anything overtly sexual, and no child in that age range has knowledge of sexual activities without outside interference. Outside interference could be an older sibling, being exposed to pornography or sex at a very young age, or being groomed. Surely someone in your group experienced something like this, and polluted the rest of you.

This is called presexualization, and it has been proven to cause issues for many people later on in life. I personally had a 10 year old girlfriend when I was 8, who knew far more than me. Looking back on it, I am certain that she was abused or groomed before she met me. I recognize the issues that it has caused for me, which seems to be a big difference between our experiences.

Finally, I can't speak for anyone else but I don't care about myself reading the stories. What bothers me is that people with pedophillic tendencies are reading stories like these and "fueling the fire" so to speak, I believe it is just as likely that reading these stories will fuel the fire as it is to offer some form of release to prevent doing anything more extreme than reading stories.

Frankly, that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Indulging in something that can very easily become an addiction is like being a heroin addict and saying that just taking a tiny bit will stop you from injecting mountains of it, instead of avoiding doing it altogether.

That's a fucking slippery slope to be walking, one wrong step and you'll find yourself strung out in some trashy hotel room wondering what happened and where all your heroin went.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Destor

I haven't seen anyone on here claiming that kids and teens are asexual beings, the point is that they should be allowed to develop normally and do age appropriate things, not have a sexual relationship with someone that is way out of their developmental range.

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[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Maybe... two things... your argument is like saying that violent video games lead to school shootings. People have to be allowed to make their own mistakes, otherwise they are just prisoners. The more rules and laws and regulations the more criminals you will have. For good or for bad no one was ever harmed or forced to read any of my stories.

Before you pick up the book you must say "Klatu verata Nictu"
otherwise you'll wake the army of the dead...

[ssalo]

If stopping a Pedal-file is your hope,
Turn off your computer and go talk to the Pope.

Spelling and age don't mean shit,
Become a child advocate and do not quit.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by clarise

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_____Cogent observations are neither appreciated nor wanted here! Seriously. Your first paragraph contains a big flawed presumption (highlighted). All too often, the groomed children trump the so-called adults for developmental maturity.
_____Ooooh, boy! I'm in trouble now!
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I'm not presuming anything, I was commenting on a specific situation, children should not be engaging in sexual relationships with people that are way outside of their developmental range. My comment has zero relevance to any situation that does not fit the context I specified.

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

Maybe... two things... your argument is like saying that violent video games lead to school shootings. People have to be allowed to make their own mistakes, otherwise they are just prisoners. The more rules and laws and regulations the more criminals you will have. For good or for bad no one was ever harmed or forced to read any of my stories.

Before you pick up the book you must say "Klatu verata Nictu"
otherwise you'll wake the army of the dead...

So using this same reasoning (that pedo sex stories prevent pedophiles from actually abusing children) am I to believe that violent videogames help prevent violence in school, as some form of release for the kids playing them?

I highly doubt it, just as much as I doubt that these stories assist anyone in their quest to avoid going a step beyond reading child sex stories.

More and more often now, child porn hoarders are being busted with equally extensive collections of written child pornography. While that does not establish causality, I think it's a pretty good indicator that reading these stories stops nobody from doing anything.

[Gentletouch72]

Originally Posted by JuiceLuver48

So what now, no 'rape' stories? What's it like living in your ivory tower far removed from the real world?

No Ivory Tower here. Nice to be attacked immediately though, thanks for that. You could have simply stated "So what now, no 'rape' stories?" and it would have been enough to get me to think further into my point.

Adding an insult wasn't necessary.

But hey, to each their own I guess.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Destor

I'm not presuming anything, I was commenting on a specific situation, children should not be engaging in sexual relationships with people that are way outside of their developmental range. My comment has zero relevance to any situation that does not fit the context I specified.

Relax! Sheesh. I agree with you. Sometimes my humor is too dry, even for me. I have been accused of not being human. Then again, with the way Watson has been kicking butt in Jeopardy, anything is possible.

[clarise]

Complete change of topic....

I have just posted my very first picture, ever, on XNXX! It is lame for this place, but hey, I took it myself, and couldn't we all use a little break from this fricking pedo crap???


P.S. Destor - where did you get your sig? Is that line from Chris McDougal?

[Destor]

Originally Posted by clarise

Relax! Sheesh. I agree with you. Sometimes my humor is too dry, even for me. I have been accused of not being human. Then again, with the way Watson has been kicking butt in Jeopardy, anything is possible.

Gah! That's my mistake, I apologize for not seeing the wit behind what you were saying.

I've seen your posts in a few threads and noticed that you seem to have a very good head on your shoulders, I should have seen it coming!

You're really just a bunch of complex subroutines tied together and designed to pump out relevant (but dry, very dry) answers, aren't you?!?

[Destor]

Originally Posted by clarise

Complete change of topic....

I have just posted my very first picture, ever, on XNXX! It is lame for this place, but hey, I took it myself, and couldn't we all use a little break from this fricking pedo crap???


P.S. Destor - where did you get your sig? Is that line from Chris McDougal?

It's actually just a summary of what I do lol, but Chris McDougal is part of the "eating and training like a caveman" movement so I wouldn't be surprised if he has said something similar.

Your picture doesn't seem to want to load for me

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Destor

It's actually just a summary of what I do lol, but Chris McDougal is part of the "eating and training like a caveman" movement so I wouldn't be surprised if he has said something similar.

Your picture doesn't seem to want to load for me

The Tarahumara rock!


As for the picture... some people can see it, and others can't. Par for the course around here. See if I ever post a picture again on this benighted place. Hmpf.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by clarise

The Tarahumara rock!


As for the picture... some people can see it, and others can't. Par for the course around here. See if I ever post a picture again on this benighted place. Hmpf.

Okay. I reposted it. And I think I got it right this time. Not that it matters. Sheesh.

[clarise]

This is another botch. Cripes, I need some sleep.

[onehandedtypist]

Originally Posted by clarise

Okay. I reposted it. And I think I got it right this time. Not that it matters. Sheesh.

I could see the post you linked to

Very nice scenery

[dominatemeplease]

Originally Posted by psyex

I find it interesting those whom like to play with words about what is right and what is wrong to have some loophole that allows them to get off on some sick fantasy of banging some kid. Kids are not allowed to consent, that is under the law of most countries, this is why they have parents. The parents are there to protect children until, god willing, they are old enough to make an informed decision. They do not need to be victimized in print or person by some pedophile. Sorry but I do not believe that people need to write or read about this shit. IF you think they SHOULD you are part of the problem not the solution. I would not support any subject were one of the participants is a child and somehow wants it from an adult. Let kids be kids the adult world is shitty enough when they get their without being forced into it. I have serious issues with people that think this is a freedom of speech thing. What about the Freedom of these kids, fictional or otherwise, to be kids. IF you support Pedo Stories, you are a pedophile by association so suck it up.

You, Sir, are a close minded idiot.

Originally Posted by mrty

Ok, I agree pedophilia is BAD!! I must say though, that banning such stories on a sex-stories site that is acknowledged as being 'open-minded and liberal', would appear to be a step too far.

I know i will get berated for this point of view, but to ban a story because it may ' influence' someone into doing something evil is not really a viable argument.

We all agree (I hope) that murder is bad, as is crime of all types. Spying can earn you a life sentence without appeal or release in many countries. Yet go to a library or a bookstore there are sections devoted to crime and espionage. Many horror stories involve kidnapping and rape and torture. yet no-one tries to ban these books.Why? Because there is big money to be made and everyone realises that they are fiction. There you go, I said it....FICTION !!

So come on, lets be realistic about the banning of stories. I am not a pedophile. In fact a girl in my family was abused by a close friend of the family. Yet, I don't feel that banning these stories would achieve anything in the way of reducing these vile attacks on children. I do however feel that allowing their publication in a controlled envirnment MAY encourage a would-be attacker to take the less risky ( to him/herself) option and use a little bit of imagination and enjoy a masturbation session instead.

Sorry about the rant, but I tried to minimise what I had to say ( you shoulda seen the un-abridged version )

You, Sir, are my fucking hero!

Originally Posted by SpecialKay

smashing a woman's head through glass doesn't help you...you normal....funny

Why does it not surprise me that this makes NO fucking sense?

Originally Posted by Destor

I haven't seen anyone on here claiming that kids and teens are asexual beings, the point is that they should be allowed to develop normally and do age appropriate things, not have a sexual relationship with someone that is way out of their developmental range.

You were engaging in sexual activity in grade 1? That's what, less than 10 years old for sure right? That is far too young to be doing anything overtly sexual, and no child in that age range has knowledge of sexual activities without outside interference. Outside interference could be an older sibling, being exposed to pornography or sex at a very young age, or being groomed. Surely someone in your group experienced something like this, and polluted the rest of you.

This is called presexualization, and it has been proven to cause issues for many people later on in life. I personally had a 10 year old girlfriend when I was 8, who knew far more than me. Looking back on it, I am certain that she was abused or groomed before she met me. I recognize the issues that it has caused for me, which seems to be a big difference between our experiences.

Finally, I can't speak for anyone else but I don't care about myself reading the stories. What bothers me is that people with pedophillic tendencies are reading stories like these and "fueling the fire" so to speak, I believe it is just as likely that reading these stories will fuel the fire as it is to offer some form of release to prevent doing anything more extreme than reading stories.

Frankly, that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Indulging in something that can very easily become an addiction is like being a heroin addict and saying that just taking a tiny bit will stop you from injecting mountains of it, instead of avoiding doing it altogether.

That's a fucking slippery slope to be walking, one wrong step and you'll find yourself strung out in some trashy hotel room wondering what happened and where all your heroin went.

Please go to googlescholar.com and type in the search words: sexuality in Pre-adolescent children. There is overwhelming evidence that children as young as 2 yrs old masturbate. Now, while they have no idea what sex is, they are old enough to appreciate the finer forms of self satisfaction. Another study cites statistics that estimate 60% of pre-adolescent males engage in some form of sexual behavior WITH A PARTNER before age 12.

Does it still sound like bullshit to you? Are you that close minded?

[JuiceLuver48]

Originally Posted by Gentletouch72

No Ivory Tower here. Nice to be attacked immediately though, thanks for that. You could have simply stated "So what now, no 'rape' stories?" and it would have been enough to get me to think further into my point.

Adding an insult wasn't necessary.

But hey, to each their own I guess.

Maybe if you had thought first it wouldn't have been necessary ... and if you're that sensitive to criticism, don't post. Some people on here can be really nasty.

[Gentletouch72]

Originally Posted by JuiceLuver48

Maybe if you had thought first it wouldn't have been necessary ... and if you're that sensitive to criticism, don't post. Some people on here can be really nasty.

MMM I like nasty. Well not the kind you are talking about.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

For those of you who support this ban, I want you to run down to your local book store... go to the Erotica Section or just ask the clerk that you want 120 Nights of Sodom by The Marquis De Sade. Then I want you to read it, then you can get physically ill... and then you can boycott your local book store. Hooray Down with the printed word.

[Rokan]

Ugh, why is this in the sex stories sectiooon. Interfering with my buzz. But, hey, my two cents.

Anyway, my point is, yes, molesting little kids is wrong. But it doesn't in any way make rape, murder, or half the other stuff that is written about here, and elsewhere, magically more acceptable. As has already been mentioned, media is full of stuff that is supposed to be bad in society, even the wiggly niggly stuff like shoplifting or cheating on your tax returns. Murder is par for the course in every medium, usually justified by the fact that the people being absolutely slaughtered are the Bad Guys.

Furthermore, it also seems that some of those who want to ban pedophile stories are going on say those who support such stories, or even maybe don't want to ban them, might therefore be endorsing the act itself. I don't mean the act of reading or writing the stories, but doing the deed. Pretty strong words there, to be made on any issue, let alone this one.

So! If we're going to start deciding that there's a line to be drawn when it comes to what we read, then in a way, anyone who draws that line at pedophilia and not at rape is, in a sense, endorsing rape, right? Or, at the very least, saying that the victims of rape are somehow less important than the victims of pedophilia? Sure, they're not more important, but less?

The act of forcing sex on another through violent means = Wrong. In my book. The act of either forcing or coaxing sexual acts on youth = Wrong. Also in my book. For me, it's not a matter of lesser or greater evil, cause it's just fucking evil all around, and I do believe most of the people who are on the pro-Pedophilia stories side agree with this. So it's not about whether Pedophilia is wrong, cause it is, woot, we has agreement, break out the bubbly.

But if you're going to go on about moral fibre and seek to remove and ban content that you yourself are in no way obligated to partake in, on the basis that the act it is portraying fictionally is wrong, then don't do it in half-measures. Because the moment you stand up and say 'I want to get rid of this content on this subject because it (the action it is based on,) is wrong,' you leave behind the lasting impression that everything you're not trying to ban is, somehow, right. Or that you frankly don't care about the victims of all these other bad things.

Which is just wrong.

[thunder133]

Originally Posted by Destor

I haven't seen anyone on here claiming that kids and teens are asexual beings, the point is that they should be allowed to develop normally and do age appropriate things, not have a sexual relationship with someone that is way out of their developmental range.

You were engaging in sexual activity in grade 1? That's what, less than 10 years old for sure right? That is far too young to be doing anything overtly sexual, and no child in that age range has knowledge of sexual activities without outside interference. Outside interference could be an older sibling, being exposed to pornography or sex at a very young age, or being groomed. Surely someone in your group experienced something like this, and polluted the rest of you.

This is called presexualization, and it has been proven to cause issues for many people later on in life. I personally had a 10 year old girlfriend when I was 8, who knew far more than me. Looking back on it, I am certain that she was abused or groomed before she met me. I recognize the issues that it has caused for me, which seems to be a big difference between our experiences.

Finally, I can't speak for anyone else but I don't care about myself reading the stories. What bothers me is that people with pedophillic tendencies are reading stories like these and "fueling the fire" so to speak, I believe it is just as likely that reading these stories will fuel the fire as it is to offer some form of release to prevent doing anything more extreme than reading stories.

Frankly, that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Indulging in something that can very easily become an addiction is like being a heroin addict and saying that just taking a tiny bit will stop you from injecting mountains of it, instead of avoiding doing it altogether.

That's a fucking slippery slope to be walking, one wrong step and you'll find yourself strung out in some trashy hotel room wondering what happened and where all your heroin went.

Well I will say that our outside influence was just growing up in the country. For those that haven't well you see a animals breeding on a regular basis everyday. One me and the girls realized our different parts it was a slow build up. As for the adults, no we didn't have any involved then. However once they figured out what was going on they sat us down to talk with us and laid out some ground rules. To this day I thank god none of them blew up about it, and rather gave us a chance to experiment and just provided input when we needed advise.

Now I will say that some people that were close to me in my life were molested at a young age, one suffers from it to this day. And I will honestly say that the guy that did it would have done it no matter what. I think that he has a few loose screws. Anyhow thank you all for atleast reading my post and not flaming me.

[lovetoshowmypussy]

censorship or branding probably has little to do with it. Over the last year or so and going forward the laws have changed. Now text in the way of stories, commentary, and etc is included in the pedophile and sexual abuse criminal charges and the intent to extort the person or persons involved plays little in how it is(the law) written. There was a discussion here sometime ago and many of us discovered that law change to include non reality conversations in public forums like the stories here. If it was about branding or censorship then that is one argument but breaking the law and liability makes censorship a mute point, really.
I agree our children need to be protected and some stories that i personally read here were very surreal to detail that it was difficult to believe it was fiction. I can see how writing may provide a pedophile relief from guilt and a way to outwardly express his or her story without the stigma. I read all kinds of stories and I do find some stories more than others a turn on... but it only takes one moment, one instance that a lapse in judgment changes everything for a person.... and so why push it. Maybe we can just thank them for watching out for us and themselves. What ever it is ...it's a choice but now the choice comes with a penalty just for the thought.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by dominatemeplease

[Please go to googlescholar.com and type in the search words: sexuality in Pre-adolescent children. There is overwhelming evidence that children as young as 2 yrs old masturbate. Now, while they have no idea what sex is, they are old enough to appreciate the finer forms of self satisfaction. Another study cites statistics that estimate 60% of pre-adolescent males engage in some form of sexual behavior WITH A PARTNER before age 12.

Does it still sound like bullshit to you? Are you that close minded?

Children may masturbate but as you pointed out, they have no concept of sex. They do it purely because it physically feels good, much like being tickled feels good. It's no different from any other body part to them, they don't realize the obsession some adults have with their parts, they have no idea that it's "wrong" to do it in front of other people.

Baby boys are known to get erections while in the womb as well, it starts earlier than 2.

Let's be clear that I have zero problem with children having age appropriate encounters with other children. Playing doctor is very normal, being curious and wanting to explore is very normal, but there are limits to what is age appropriate. Penetration and oral sex at a very young age is not appropriate, and should be a cause for concern for the parents involved.

I was masturbating at 8 years old, I was even orgasming back then, but I was in no way ready for sex. Being physically capable doesn't mean that you're ready for it!

[Eric the Red]

Originally Posted by Rokan

Ugh, why is this in the sex stories sectiooon. Interfering with my buzz. But, hey, my two cents.

Anyway, my point is, yes, molesting little kids is wrong. But it doesn't in any way make rape, murder, or half the other stuff that is written about here, and elsewhere, magically more acceptable. As has already been mentioned, media is full of stuff that is supposed to be bad in society, even the wiggly niggly stuff like shoplifting or cheating on your tax returns. Murder is par for the course in every medium, usually justified by the fact that the people being absolutely slaughtered are the Bad Guys.

Furthermore, it also seems that some of those who want to ban pedophile stories are going on say those who support such stories, or even maybe don't want to ban them, might therefore be endorsing the act itself. I don't mean the act of reading or writing the stories, but doing the deed. Pretty strong words there, to be made on any issue, let alone this one.

So! If we're going to start deciding that there's a line to be drawn when it comes to what we read, then in a way, anyone who draws that line at pedophilia and not at rape is, in a sense, endorsing rape, right? Or, at the very least, saying that the victims of rape are somehow less important than the victims of pedophilia? Sure, they're not more important, but less?

The act of forcing sex on another through violent means = Wrong. In my book. The act of either forcing or coaxing sexual acts on youth = Wrong. Also in my book. For me, it's not a matter of lesser or greater evil, cause it's just fucking evil all around, and I do believe most of the people who are on the pro-Pedophilia stories side agree with this. So it's not about whether Pedophilia is wrong, cause it is, woot, we has agreement, break out the bubbly.

But if you're going to go on about moral fibre and seek to remove and ban content that you yourself are in no way obligated to partake in, on the basis that the act it is portraying fictionally is wrong, then don't do it in half-measures. Because the moment you stand up and say 'I want to get rid of this content on this subject because it (the action it is based on,) is wrong,' you leave behind the lasting impression that everything you're not trying to ban is, somehow, right. Or that you frankly don't care about the victims of all these other bad things.

Which is just wrong.

That is probably the smartest, and most coherent thing yet written on the subject.

[chris4sylvia]

Originally Posted by Rokan

Ugh, why is this in the sex stories sectiooon. Interfering with my buzz. But, hey, my two cents.

Anyway, my point is, yes, molesting little kids is wrong. But it doesn't in any way make rape, murder, or half the other stuff that is written about here, and elsewhere, magically more acceptable. As has already been mentioned, media is full of stuff that is supposed to be bad in society, even the wiggly niggly stuff like shoplifting or cheating on your tax returns. Murder is par for the course in every medium, usually justified by the fact that the people being absolutely slaughtered are the Bad Guys.

Furthermore, it also seems that some of those who want to ban pedophile stories are going on say those who support such stories, or even maybe don't want to ban them, might therefore be endorsing the act itself. I don't mean the act of reading or writing the stories, but doing the deed. Pretty strong words there, to be made on any issue, let alone this one.

So! If we're going to start deciding that there's a line to be drawn when it comes to what we read, then in a way, anyone who draws that line at pedophilia and not at rape is, in a sense, endorsing rape, right? Or, at the very least, saying that the victims of rape are somehow less important than the victims of pedophilia? Sure, they're not more important, but less?

The act of forcing sex on another through violent means = Wrong. In my book. The act of either forcing or coaxing sexual acts on youth = Wrong. Also in my book. For me, it's not a matter of lesser or greater evil, cause it's just fucking evil all around, and I do believe most of the people who are on the pro-Pedophilia stories side agree with this. So it's not about whether Pedophilia is wrong, cause it is, woot, we has agreement, break out the bubbly.

But if you're going to go on about moral fibre and seek to remove and ban content that you yourself are in no way obligated to partake in, on the basis that the act it is portraying fictionally is wrong, then don't do it in half-measures. Because the moment you stand up and say 'I want to get rid of this content on this subject because it (the action it is based on,) is wrong,' you leave behind the lasting impression that everything you're not trying to ban is, somehow, right. Or that you frankly don't care about the victims of all these other bad things.

Which is just wrong.

I also fully agree with every point of this post....

[Destor]

There are varying degrees of evil and offensiveness depending on the situation and context, any sensible person should be able to clearly see that.

It's not all or nothing..

[JuiceLuver48]

Originally Posted by Gentletouch72

MMM I like nasty. Well not the kind you are talking about.

As long as it's consensual I presume .....

[onehandedtypist]

Originally Posted by Destor

There are varying degrees of evil and offensiveness depending on the situation and context, any sensible person should be able to clearly see that.

It's not all or nothing..

So you're going to choose what is less tolerable then?

Pick and choose which subjects you absolutely abhor and protest their creation?

I don't see how any logical argument can be formed to rally around particular slivers of literary fiction. If a fire is going to be fought, can a person reasonably extinguish it with a cup of water? Or would they be reasonable and use the fire engines filled with many hundreds of water gallons??

Ban one type of stories or completely obliterate the incendiary kindling of an inferno?

[clarise]

_____
_____So this is where everyone (still) is. One teensy-weensy little observation? This bleeping thread has more reads than most of the stories.
_____Maybe XNXX should just scrap the whole porn schtick and rename this site to Lawyers-R-Us Dot Gov. Better click-thru rate, don't you think?
_____
_____clarise
_____

[Destor]

Originally Posted by onehandedtypist

So you're going to choose what is less tolerable then?

Pick and choose which subjects you absolutely abhor and protest their creation?

I don't see how any logical argument can be formed to rally around particular slivers of literary fiction. If a fire is going to be fought, can a person reasonably extinguish it with a cup of water? Or would they be reasonable and use the fire engines filled with many hundreds of water gallons??

Ban one type of stories or completely obliterate the incendiary kindling of an inferno?

I choose what I find tolerable, yes.

In a democracy, the majority decides what is tolerable, that's how the system works. Of course this website isn't a democracy, it is a dictatorship.

[lionheart]

Marco ten and those similar nuts should go receive treatment at an institution that will then incercerate them. You are sick. There is enough of this type thing going on without your trying to add to the stupid stuff trying to make it appear legitimate and normal. It is not normal. Nor are you.

[ssalo]

If stopping a Pedal-file is your hope,
Turn off your computer and go talk to the Pope.

Spelling and age don't mean shit,
Become a child advocate and do not quit.


Someone better tell me to shut up or I'll be tempted to repost my fine poetry again. Thanks in advance.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by ssalo

If stopping a Pedal-file is your hope,
Turn off your computer and go talk to the Pope.

Spelling and age don't mean shit,
Become a child advocate and do not quit.


Someone better tell me to shut up or I'll be tempted to repost my fine poetry again. Thanks in advance.

I'm reading it. Beats anything else on this thread by about a thousand miles. More!

[Pericles]

I like having sex with sperm. I mean, I isolate spermazoa and molest them. Does that make me a pedo? Is it ok if the age is in the negatives?

[onehandedtypist]

The birds of which do sing
That spring and summer bring
With swooping paths they fly
In circles in the sky

The flowers bloom in time
Like nurseries in rhyme
They sing in silent praise
Of the sun and its rays

In autumn there are leaves
Down falling from the trees
They crunch and scrape the ground
And make all sorts of sounds

In winter it all dies
The clouds obscure the skies
Ice covers all the rest
A yearly natural death

[clarise]

_____
_____From Greta Elisabeta Westford's diary.
_____
_____
_____
_____anxiety
_____
_____

___________it is written everywhere
_____
_____black planchettes scurry
________________across spongy waterlogged bricks
________insidious and insectile
____________rain cuts precisely
_into the blood sacrifice
________casts divinations
_________with surgical exactitude
_____
__it is not chance
__________the way this brick
_has been chipped and
__________the others spared
______________that these twigs have
___extended themselves
_____like fraught hands
_____
_____________they are crafty
_______________but I am not fooled

_____you will be leaving me soon
_______________that is what they are saying
_____
_____
_____

[jsv2009]

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[ssalo]

my best friend-

I needed his help
he was almost eager

years passed
working together

I was in his debt
far beyond reason

when finally I begged
in my frustration

let me catch up
we're so far from even

he said I had it all wrong
from that long gone day

when I asked for his help
in my desperation

little did I know
he'd been planning his end

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by ssalo

my best friend-

I needed his help
he was almost eager

years passed
working together

I was in his debt
far beyond reason

when finally I begged
in my frustration

let me catch up
we're so far from even

he said I had it all wrong
from that long gone day

when I asked for his help
in my desperation

little did I know
he'd been planning his end

Isn't it a shame that the Tea Party Movement hadn't ended like this thread, in a lovely succession of poems.

Ohhhhhh

[Gentletouch72]

Originally Posted by JuiceLuver48

As long as it's consensual I presume .....

It's called a "safe word"

[onehandedtypist]

Bring me home
In boxes taped and sealed
The parts are all wrong
Severed, bludgeoned, red
Like pasta sauce
I'd collect with bread
I said, I'd say
There must be some other way

I'm alone again
Nestled in your womb
Feels so much like a tomb
Reborn to blinding light
A tunnel
A pathway
A place for me to go
An effort
Too much for me
I cannot see
You're hurting me

I'm born to many who are crying
And now I know I'm dying
Before I can even begin to live

[ThunderedEchoes]

Wait, when was this? WHAT! MADNESS.
MADDDDNESSSSSS.