Obama administration ok's gun smuggling too Mexico

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Because he is a black man getting the ''hard questions'' from the racist GOP, he did not deserve and it is beneath him to answer question about a program that got a man killed.

Where in the fuck does this come from Ace??? I mean what the fuck???

He's an attorney general, embattled by partisan politics, and still responsible for one of the most important divisions in government because even a brainwashed parrot like yourself has to recognize none of us are nothing with out JUSTICE.

Not one time have I seen Eric Holder as anything other than a man.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4779157]

Where in the fuck does this come from Ace??? I mean what the fuck???

Sarcasm,,,do you recognize it anymore?

He's an attorney general, embattled by partisan politics, and still responsible for one of the most important divisions in government because even a brainwashed parrot like yourself has to recognize none of us are nothing with out JUSTICE.

These days, justice seems to be served by partisan politics

Not one time have I seen Eric Holder as anything other than a man.

Me neither, until now, when I look at this fast and furious debacle, with the eyes of fair and balanced.

There is no reason why this needs to be drawn out as LONG as it has been,,pleading the 5th, withholding documentation from an oversight committee, this is fucking bullshit, an American killed on the border, by the cartell,,and we get these mother fucking games from an AG.

This is not sarcasm,,if you haven noticed

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Sarcasm,,,do you recognize it anymore?

I sure didn't that time and racist sarcasm or racist jokes is still racism in action Ace.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

These days, justice seems to be served by partisan politics

Its been nothing but partisan politics since the day Barack Obama got elected Ace. And this is another perfect example of it. The conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress doing everything possible to make the nation and President Obama fail including blocking his appointments and forcing him to work with obviously stupid Bush holdovers.

But it ain't working anymore Ace.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Me neither, until now, when I look at this fast and furious debacle, with the eyes of fair and balanced.

Fair and balanced my fucking ass Ace. Whether you know it or not or believe it or not all you're doing is repeating the bullshit rantings of a right wing militia nutcase blogger who really doesn't know shit.

Here's your great source Ace.

GOP ‘Sons-A-Bitches’ Going Soft On Gunwalking, Says Blogger Who Broke ‘Fast And Furious’

“You know what the Republicans just did? They sold out every mother’s son who put their life and career on the line to try to bring this truth out,” Vanderboegh told TPM. “Another display like this and people will forget the whole thing.”


So why did Republicans, at least as far as Vanderboegh is concerned, back off? He suggested it could be as simple as the FBI blackmailing the speaker of the House.


“I submit to you that it is entirely possible that the fix is in,” Vanderboegh told TPM. “It could be as simple as a picture of something like John Boehner with a sheep, you know. Because they’ve done that before. The FBI blackmails people routinely. They always have.”


Few who witnessed Thursday’s four-hour hearing would accuse Republicans of going soft. Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY) asked Holder “how many more Border Patrol agents would have had to die” for him to take responsibility. It was a question Holder said was “beneath” a member of Congress. Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) narrated a PowerPoint slideshow of decade-old Holder quotes on President BIll Clinton’s controversial pardoning of Marc Rich and questioned his record of being truthful to Congress, a display which Holder said was “among the worst things” he’d ever seen on the Hill. Rep. Mark Walberg (R-MI) compared Holder’s handling of Fast and Furious to the way late football legend Joe Paterno handled the Penn State sexual abuse scandal.


But Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) did ease up a bit on the his previous rhetoric about Holder’s roll in Fast and Furious, saying he “never accused [Holder] of having personal knowledge” of the “gunwalking” tactics used during the operation, instead focusing his energies on why the DOJ wouldn’t turn over certain categories of documents the Justice Department maintains were privileged.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...er.php?ref=fpb

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

There is no reason why this needs to be drawn out as LONG as it has been,,pleading the 5th, withholding documentation from an oversight committee, this is fucking bullshit, an American killed on the border, by the cartell,,and we get these mother fucking games from an AG.

Let me prove once again just how phony and down right disgusting this argument is with a couple of simple questions Ace.

Are you claiming if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious Agent Brian Terry would not have been killed that day? If it was not for Operation Fast and Furious those drug cartel members who killed Terry would not have had guns?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

This is not sarcasm,,if you haven noticed

Well it sure as fuck ain't the truth either Ace.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I sure didn't that time and racist sarcasm or racist jokes is still racism in action Ace.



Its been nothing but partisan politics since the day Barack Obama got elected Ace. And this is another perfect example of it. The conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress doing everything possible to make the nation and President Obama fail including blocking his appointments and forcing him to work with obviously stupid Bush holdovers.

But it ain't working anymore Ace.



Fair and balanced my fucking ass Ace. Whether you know it or not or believe it or not all you're doing is repeating the bullshit rantings of a right wing militia nutcase blogger who really doesn't know shit.

Here's your great source Ace.

GOP ‘Sons-A-Bitches’ Going Soft On Gunwalking, Says Blogger Who Broke ‘Fast And Furious’




http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...er.php?ref=fpb




Let me prove once again just how phony and down right disgusting this argument is with a couple of simple questions Ace.

Are you claiming if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious Agent Brian Terry would not have been killed that day? If it was not for Operation Fast and Furious those drug cartel members who killed Terry would not have had guns?




Well it sure as fuck ain't the truth either Ace.

You had batter turn the pretty pictures back on for this one,,fella















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[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You had batter turn the pretty pictures back on for this one,,fella

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There's little difference between cat shit and Bullshit Ace.

But here's more proof that what you're really doing is willingly believing false propaganda.

No, "Holder's No. 2" Didn't Call Gunwalking A "Terrific Idea"

The Daily Caller's headline: "Holder's No. 2 in 2009: Gunwalking, Fast and Furious a 'terrific idea.'"
The Daily Caller's lede:

The head of the Department of Justice's Criminal Division and Attorney General Eric Holder's highest-ranking deputy, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, called Operation Fast and Furious and gun walking a "terrific idea" in emails to now-former Acting Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director Ken Melson back in late 2009, according a report released by Republican staff of the House Oversight Committee.

What Melson and Breuer actually said, as reported by the Daily Caller:

On Dec. 3, 2009, Melson wrote to Breuer, "Lanny: We have decided to take a little different approach with regard to seizures of multiple weapons in Mexico. Assuming the guns are traced, instead of working each trace almost independently of the other traces from the seizure, I want to coordinate and monitor the work on all of them collectively as if the seizure was one case. . . We should meet again just to catch up on where we are in our gun-trafficking issues and we could talk about the above idea as well. Let me know what you think."


Breuer responded on Dec. 4, 2009, writing, "We think this is a terrific idea and a great way to approach the investigations of these seizures. Our Gang Unit will be assigning an attorney to help you coordinate this effort."


According to the Republican Oversight Committee staffers' report, Breuer -- Holder's number two -- assigned a prosecutor to help ATF handle Fast and Furious. That attorney, according to the report, was Joe Cooley.

As the Daily Caller's own reporting shows, the emails in question don't mention the idea of allowing guns to be trafficked to Mexico; they deal with how data from seizures of multiple weapons that were recovered in Mexico would be treated by ATF in their investigations.


This isn't the first time the Caller's reporting hasn't matched up with the slant they apply to their stories on Holder and Fast and Furious.
By the way, "Holder's No. 2" isn't Lanny Breuer, it's Deputy Attorney General James Cole. Other than that, the Caller did a bang-up job.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202020011

[stumbler]

............. how come you never answered these questions about the border agents death,

Originally Posted by Stumbler

Are you claiming if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious Agent Brian Terry would not have been killed that day? If it was not for Operation Fast and Furious those drug cartel members who killed Terry would not have had guns?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

............. how come you never answered these questions about the border agents death,

I didn't see it.

Now that I have seen it,,why are there so many ''if's'' in you questions, if you want to ask a hypothetical question, you will in turn get a hypothetical answer;

Are you claiming if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious Agent Brian Terry would not have been killed that day?

Probably not. The odds are in Brian Terry's favor.

If it was not for Operation Fast and Furious those drug cartel members who killed Terry would not have had guns?

Probably not. The odds are in Brian Terry's favor.

[anotheruser1]

New information states that this whole shenanigan is an attempt by the communists in Washington to make the gun situation look worse than it is in order to sucker congress into changing the constitution and completely banning ALL guns in america. The bad thing for them(good for us) is as usual the obongo bunch totally fucked everything up and it failed as word got out. So in a nut shell that fucker was going to lie to congress about the illegal gun problem to get them to take our guns. Fuck that bastard.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by anotheruser1

New information states that this whole shenanigan is an attempt by the communists in Washington to make the gun situation look worse than it is in order to sucker congress into changing the constitution and completely banning ALL guns in america. The bad thing for them(good for us) is as usual the obongo bunch totally fucked everything up and it failed as word got out. So in a nut shell that fucker was going to lie to congress about the illegal gun problem to get them to take our guns. Fuck that bastard.

I have been saying that since day one,, a couple of leftists politicians have already let that cat out of the bag.

I see if I can find it again.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I have been saying that since day one,, a couple of leftists politicians have already let that cat out of the bag.

I see if I can find it again.

And that's beyond brainwashed false propaganda Ace. That's just plain fucking nuts. Just stupid. And it would be political suicide you raving fool.

Its also the kind of bullshit that wastes our time and money just like Issa's witch-hunt.

How Issa’s Paranoid ‘Fast And Furious’ Witch-Hunt Endangers America’s Law Enforcement System

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cement-system/

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by anotheruser1

New information states that this whole shenanigan is an attempt by the communists in Washington to make the gun situation look worse than it is in order to sucker congress into changing the constitution and completely banning ALL guns in america. The bad thing for them(good for us) is as usual the obongo bunch totally fucked everything up and it failed as word got out. So in a nut shell that fucker was going to lie to congress about the illegal gun problem to get them to take our guns. Fuck that bastard.

This is not the one that I was looking for,, but it works.

Calls for Gun Control in Wake of Fast and Furious Ignore Current Law



Many Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, where Holder was testifying for the sixth time on Fast and Furious, echoed the attorney general’s calls for greater gun control. Reps. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) and Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) touted legislation they introduced, which would make suspected “straw purchases” – the purchases of guns to be handed off to others – illegal.
Holder called that bill “a good place for us to start.”
But neither Holder nor committee members mentioned the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, a federal law already on the books that appears to criminalize the precise conduct undertaken by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Operation Fast and Furious.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/02/...e-current-law/

[anotheruser1]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And that's beyond brainwashed false propaganda Ace. That's just plain fucking nuts. Just stupid. And it would be political suicide you raving fool.

Its also the kind of bullshit that wastes our time and money just like Issa's witch-hunt.

How Issa’s Paranoid ‘Fast And Furious’ Witch-Hunt Endangers America’s Law Enforcement System

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cement-system/

Its true stumbler. I know obama is your hero but the truth is he wants our freedom at any cost.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And that's beyond brainwashed false propaganda Ace. That's just plain fucking nuts. Just stupid. And it would be political suicide you raving fool.

Its also the kind of bullshit that wastes our time and money just like Issa's witch-hunt.

How Issa’s Paranoid ‘Fast And Furious’ Witch-Hunt Endangers America’s Law Enforcement System

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cement-system/

OK,,this on is for you;

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...n-regulations/

and this one;

http://www.examiner.com/conservative...role-gunwalker

and this one is the holy grail;

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...eir_minds.html

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I didn't see it.

Now that I have seen it,,why are there so many ''if's'' in you questions, if you want to ask a hypothetical question, you will in turn get a hypothetical answer;

Probably not. The odds are in Brian Terry's favor.

Probably not. The odds are in Brian Terry's favor.

I say you're full of shit Ace. I say Brian Terry and his partner were investigating crimes that had nothing to do with Operation Fast and Furious and got gunned down by drug cartel members. But on that day those same drug cartel members still would have been there and with 30,000 US guns being sold in Mexico every year they still would have had guns.

And you are being a delusional fool about that I believe Ace to even suggest that if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious there would be no guns in Mexico.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

OK,,this on is for you;

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...n-regulations/

and this one;

http://www.examiner.com/conservative...role-gunwalker

and this one is the holy grail;

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...eir_minds.html

Let me prove again just how crazy this propaganda really is Ace. Name one proposal before congress for any gun laws? Name one gun law or regulation called for by President Obama other than by the same stupid Arizona fuckers who allowed the gun walking in the first place, and have already resigned or been reassigned?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I say you're full of shit Ace. I say Brian Terry and his partner were investigating crimes that had nothing to do with Operation Fast and Furious and got gunned down by drug cartel members. But on that day those same drug cartel members still would have been there and with 30,000 US guns being sold in Mexico every year they still would have had guns.

And you are being a delusional fool about that I believe Ace to even suggest that if it was not for Operation Fast and Furious there would be no guns in Mexico.

Prove it, you cant,, just like I can't.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Let me prove again just how crazy this propaganda really is Ace. Name one proposal before congress for any gun laws? Name one gun law or regulation called for by President Obama other than by the same stupid Arizona fuckers who allowed the gun walking in the first place, and have already resigned or been reassigned?

Oh goodness,,,,the GOP wont allow any bills like that get passed,,Obama is 2 years too late for those shenanigans.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Prove it, you cant,, just like I can't.

Then don't accuse people of things you know you cannot prove Ace.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Oh goodness,,,,the GOP wont allow any bills like that get passed,,Obama is 2 years too late for those shenanigans.

Name one that was even proposed Ace?

And remember I'm one of those thinking we God damned sure need some more gun laws around here. (And I actually just bought a new gun a week or so ago).

But in the meantime here's the real problem Ace. Here's the real threat of gun control. Its "corporate gun control."

The Fox Gun Ban

Since 2008, the gun lobby and right-wing media have been pushing various theories suggesting Barack Obama was secretly plotting against the Second Amendment. The National Rifle Association set up www.gunbanobama.com as Glenn Beck warned Obama was working to "take away your gun." Three years after Obama's election the purported plans to enact sweeping gun bans and confiscation haven't materialized, but according to gun lobby chief Larry Keane, Rupert Murdoch's media empire is now engaging in "corporate gun control."

Last week online reports indicated that FOX Sports Media Group had told the Ultimate Fighting Championship's parent company that gun-related sponsorships would no longer be permitted for their events. Fox and the Ultimate Fighting Championship recently signed a 7-year broadcast agreement. On Wednesday the gun lobby trade association National Shooting Sports Foundation announced they had confirmed the sponsorship ban.



Speaking on the NSSF's blog and in the Daily Caller's gun lobby propaganda aggregator Guns and Gear NSSF head Keane called out Fox:

FOX's decision to ban advertisements for lawful products owned by more than 80 million Americans is nothing more than corporate gun control. We expect better from FOX. So should you.

The Gun Store and ammotogo.com are among the UFC sponsors who would be affected by this ban. If no sponsorships in a single sport doesn't sound like a big deal to you, then you probably aren't working to contrive controversies in a gun lobby press shop.



Eric Bolling's gun antics at Fox Sports' corporate cousins apparently won't stop the gun lobby, which apparently wants fighters sporting monikers like "Natural Born Killer" and "American Psycho" to be allowed to be sponsored by gun retailers. What part of the Second Amendment doesn't Fox understand?


NRA News joined the NSSF in condemning Fox Sports, hosting a gripe session with owner of the Las Vegas based The Gun Store Chris Irwin, victim of the Fox's supposed Second Amendment animosity

When it comes to pushing their cult of victimhood, even Rubert Murdoch's media outlets can turn into a gun lobby target.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202030011

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Then don't accuse people of things you know you cannot prove Ace.

It was proven that a border agent was killed by a gun that was involved in the ''fast and furious'' scandal.

You brought up all of the hypothetical scenarios.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It was proven that a border agent was killed by a gun that was involved in the ''fast and furious'' scandal.

You brought up all of the hypothetical scenarios.

No you and others are the ones trying to tell really vicious lies here that its all the fault of Fast and Furious that a border agent got killed when we've had two border agents killed last year and three agents including Terry killed in 2010. Proving the Mexican drug cartels have plenty of guns other than those purchased through Fast and Furious.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4786049]

No you and others are the ones trying to tell really vicious lies here that its all the fault of Fast and Furious that a border agent got killed when we've had two border agents killed last year and three agents including Terry killed in 2010.

Get off of your horseshit,Terry was killed by a gun that was provided to the cartel by FAST AND FURIOUS,,THAT is what and who we were talking about.
You always attempt to take the focus of the actual conversation, by bringing in another topic for conversation,,STAY FOCUSED on the objective,I know it's hard for you to do,,as you are the cheerleader for Obama and his agenda.

Proving the Mexican drug cartels have plenty of guns other than those purchased through Fast and Furious.

They should,, the U.S. government has been giving guns to Mexico for years.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Get off of your horseshit,Terry was killed by a gun that was provided to the cartel by FAST AND FURIOUS,,THAT is what and who we were talking about.

Nope. What we are talking about is a really stupid gun walking operation that actually started under George W Bush and continued because its impossible to supervise more than 200,000 justice department employees all at once. An operation that allowed about 3,000 of the 30,000 guns illegally imported into Mexico every year to end up in drug cartel hands. And the tragic coincidence of one of those guns being used during a shoot out between border patrol agents and drug cartel members.

We're talking about an operation that remains under investigation by the Justice Department in which firings and perhaps even criminal charges could occur.

And of course talking about the political witch-hunt conducted by the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress who will do anything and use anyone, even the death of a border patrol agent, to falsely accuse and attempt to destroy the Obama Administration.

That's what we are talking about here Ace and you're the one back paddling and trying to cloud the water like a crayfish that's just seen a Cajun.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You always attempt to take the focus of the actual conversation, by bringing in another topic for conversation,,STAY FOCUSED on the objective,I know it's hard for you to do,,as you are the cheerleader for Obama and his agenda.

Ace you are the one who said: "There is no reason why this needs to be drawn out as LONG as it has been,,pleading the 5th, withholding documentation from an oversight committee, this is fucking bullshit, an American killed on the border, by the cartell,,and we get these mother fucking games from an AG."

So you're definitely the one who started this conversation and tried to pull the same shitty trick as the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers pretend that its the fault of Operation Fast and Furious that a border agent got killed when that's a lie because it was a coincidence not a cause.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

They should,, the U.S. government has been giving guns to Mexico for years.

And US gun dealers have been selling guns to Mexico longer than that Ace. Its not the government supplying the cartels with guns. Its mostly private sector US gun dealers making profits off all this killing, which of course you support and seek to protect.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/p...t-and-furious/

Do your best to spin this,,I can't wait.......

I finally read the whole report Ace and don't believe I have to spin it at all. In fact you're going to have to show me where in that report by the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers on that committee it says either Eric Holder or President Obama knew about Operation Fast and Furious before it was exposed. Because I didn't sure didn't see it and if Holder and President Obama are not directly involved than this thread is just so much bullshit and like I said in the beginning wishful thinking by a bunch of brainwashed parrots.

Now if you want to read the actual facts you'll find the truth here.

http://democrats.oversight.house.gov...port_13112.pdf

[stumbler]

............... And Shopping rights for that matter.

I have a job watching my 5 year-old grandson every other week. However, just because we went shopping the other day and bought two measly items that didn't happen to be on the list my wife and daughter are trying to restrict out free movement and shopping privileges, and second amendment rights.

And it wasn't so much the gun. It was the hysteria over 1,000 BB's. Now I know that sounds like a lot when ammunition is usually in boxes of 20 to 50 but you got to hang on me with this one Ace and perhaps give me a sworn affidavit that's not a terrorist amount of ammunition for a kid and his BB gun. It just sounds like a lot to moms and grandmas.

They put that shit right on the receipt. Did you know that?

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I finally read the whole report Ace and don't believe I have to spin it at all. In fact you're going to have to show me where in that report by the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers on that committee it says either Eric Holder or President Obama knew about Operation Fast and Furious before it was exposed. Because I didn't sure didn't see it and if Holder and President Obama are not directly involved than this thread is just so much bullshit and like I said in the beginning wishful thinking by a bunch of brainwashed parrots.

Now if you want to read the actual facts you'll find the truth here.

http://democrats.oversight.house.gov...port_13112.pdf

If Bo&Ho didn't know, it just proves how incompetent and stupid they really are!!!!!!!!!!

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

............... And Shopping rights for that matter.

I have a job watching my 5 year-old grandson every other week. However, just because we went shopping the other day and bought two measly items that didn't happen to be on the list my wife and daughter are trying to restrict out free movement and shopping privileges, and second amendment rights.

And it wasn't so much the gun. It was the hysteria over 1,000 BB's. Now I know that sounds like a lot when ammunition is usually in boxes of 20 to 50 but you got to hang on me with this one Ace and perhaps give me a sworn affidavit that's not a terrorist amount of ammunition for a kid and his BB gun. It just sounds like a lot to moms and grandmas.

They put that shit right on the receipt. Did you know that?

How old are you??,, for the life of me,,have you not yet learned how to cover your tracks,,,c'mon man.....

Do you have any idea how many receipts I have 'lost' over the years?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

How old are you??,, for the life of me,,have you not yet learned how to cover your tracks,,,c'mon man.....

Do you have any idea how many receipts I have 'lost' over the years?

I was perfectly willing to admit we bought the BB gun and the BB's. How was I supposed to know it would include the quantities. And the problem is I bought his mother a BB gun too. But by that time she was 12, it was a pump gun that would shoot BBs or Pellets, and it was capable of killing people, and we bought pellets and BBs in packets of 100. This is more your beginner lever action Red Rider that you can put about 300 BBS in to begin with and not nearly as lethal. They are having trouble with those miner differences.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

How old are you??,, for the life of me,,have you not yet learned how to cover your tracks,,,c'mon man.....

Do you have any idea how many receipts I have 'lost' over the years?

Once we were caught I was perfectly willing to admit we bought the BB gun and the BB's. How was I supposed to know it would include the quantities. And the problem is I bought his mother a BB gun too. But by that time she was 12, it was a pump gun that would shoot BBs or Pellets, it was capable of killing people, and we bought pellets and BBs in packets of 100. This is more your beginner lever action Red Rider that you can put about 300 BBS in to begin with and not nearly as lethal. They are having trouble with those miner differences.

Its not exactly fast but it was kind of furious there for awhile.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Once we were caught I was perfectly willing to admit we bought the BB gun and the BB's. How was I supposed to know it would include the quantities. And the problem is I bought his mother a BB gun too. But by that time she was 12, it was a pump gun that would shoot BBs or Pellets, it was capable of killing people, and we bought pellets and BBs in packets of 100. This is more your beginner lever action Red Rider that you can put about 300 BBS in to begin with and not nearly as lethal. They are having trouble with those miner differences.

Its not exactly fast but it was kind of furious there for awhile.

Sometimes you need to take a stand and tell them how it's gonna be.

My wife told me that our youngest was not going to shoot guns, or hunt,,I said,'' you do not have an opinion in this issue''since that day, he has shot several squirrels, a texas white dahl sheep and several whitetail doe,, not to mention a couple of my fucking truck windows, with the Red Ryder bb gun.

[ace's n 8's]

The lists are getting longer and longer,on who knew what and didn't want to stop it

Former DEA chief says 3 other federal agencies knew about Operation Fast and Furious

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1m1oJ6rph

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

The lists are getting longer and longer,on who knew what and didn't want to stop it

Ace .............

Truckin', like the do-dah man. Once told me "You got to play your hand"
Sometimes your cards ain't worth a damn, if you don't lay'em down,

[stumbler]

Eric Holder on the Hill faces friendlier fire

Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the House Appropriations Committee on Tuesday, noting the “appropriate” way he was asked about Fast and Furious there - unlike in other hearings where he had been grilled at length over the gun-walking program.


“This is very interesting. I’m having a conversation about Fast and Furious in a very appropriate, neutral, detached way. Which by the way is fundamentally different from my experience with other committees. And this is - I wouldn’t say pleasant - but it’s different,” said Holder.


Holder’s comments are a subtle jab at House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Republicans in the House Oversight and Judiciary committees, who have been much more contentious when questioning Holder about the controversial Fast and Furious program.


“There is a certain amount of mistrust, a certain amount of partisan wrangling going on,” said Holder about his relationship with Capitol Hill.
The hearing, which was mainly about Justice Department budget matters, stayed largely clear from gun-walking program.


“I’ve not shied away from the fact that I’m ultimately responsible for what happens in the Department of Justice,” said Holder, when asked about the gun-walking program, while noting that the DoJ Inspector General’s report was still forthcoming.


“It was a bad attempt at trying to deal with a very pernicious problem, where guns are flowing from the United States to Mexico. In its conception, in its execution, it was fundamentally flawed,” Holder said about Fast and Furious. “I understand what they were trying to do, but they were doing it extremely, extremely poorly… it’s bad law enforcement.”


The Department of Justice and the attorney general have been under fire for over a year regarding the controversial operation, which attempted to investigate drug cartels and weapons traffickers but instead ended up supplying them with weapons. Investigators lost thousands of firearms, many of which crossed the border into Mexico.


Firearms linked to the operation were later found to have been involved in the December 2010 shooting death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1nhd1fSco

[CS natureboy]

Yeah, Holder is a real douchebag!

[stumbler]

Fast And Furious: Issa Claims He Never Requested Sealed Wiretaps

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa seemed to take offense on Thursday to the suggestion that his committee asked the Justice Department for access to wiretap applications under court seal during his investigation into the botched ATF operation known as Fast and Furious.

“We did not request any wiretaps under seal, since I’m the person who signed the subpoenas,” Issa said after Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA) asked what negative impacts the disclosure of wiretap applications would have on ongoing criminal investigations during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday.

While the original subpoena did not mention them, Issa has on several occasions requested the Justice Department’s assistance in obtaining wiretap applications, even though the disclosure of such document would be in violation of federal law.

In a draft contempt resolution Issa’s team faulted DOJ for failing to provide such documents. The Committee said it was “seeking documents relating to who had access to information about the objectionable tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious, who approved the use of these tactics, and what information was available to those individuals when they approved the tactics.” Documents in this category, the draft resolution stated “include those relating to the preparation of the wiretap applications, as well as certain ATF, DEA, and FBI Reports of Investigation,” the draft stated (emphasis ours).

In a letter earlier this week, Issa also stated that he and Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote the Justice Department back in February “requesting the Department’s assistance in obtaining the wiretap applications from Operation Fast and Furious.”

Even without DOJ’s assistance, Issa’s committee was able to obtain the wiretap applications from unknown sources. While not revealing the contents of the subpoenas, Issa claimed in a letter to Holder earlier this week that they contained “immense detail about the questionable investigative tactics.” Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking member of the Oversight Committee, accused Issa of mischaracterizing the contents of the wiretap applications.

Holder noted during his testimony on Thursday that there was a criminal provision with a five-year penalty for disclosing sealed wiretap applications, but said there were very practical reasons for not disclosing the material as well.

“There are concerns that one would have about people who are involved in these matters. You might put victims’ safety at risk. You might put at risk the success of a prosecution. Those are all the reasons why there are very tight restrictions on the provision of material connected to wiretaps,” Holder said.

Issa spokeswoman Becca Glover Watkins told TPM that Issa was referring specifically to the original subpoena itself and not other communications..

“It certainly noted the wiretap applications but the subpoena - not the draft contempt report - is what spells out what the Attorney General must produce. The wiretap applications were not noted in the subpoena,” Watkins said in an email.
Late update: Cummings issued this statement:

“The Chairman has been demanding these wiretap applications for months and even threatened to hold the Attorney General in contempt for not providing them, yet today he claimed he never wanted them in the first place. It makes no sense to hold the Attorney General in contempt for withholding documents that Chairman Issa claims he never requested. These changing demands raise fundamental questions about the investigation and suggest that it is designed to promote an election-year political agenda rather than obtain needed information.”

The press release from Cummings’ office also points out that the Issa contempt citation “explicitly cites the Attorney General’s failure to turn over the wiretap applications that Chairman Issa subpoenaed.”

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[stumbler]

I knew Issa was just bluffing.

Fast And Furious: Issa Says He’ll Postpone Contempt Vote If Holder Provides Documents

The House Oversight Committee’s vote on a resolution finding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress may not happen on Wednesday after all.

In a letter to Holder late last week, Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) says that he is willing to postpone the contempt vote if the Justice Department turns over documents related to the how the Justice Department responded to congressional inquires about the botched ATF operation known as Fast and Furious.

“While I do have substaintial concerns that these documents may not be sufficient to allow the Committee to complete its investigation, delivery of these documents to the Committee before the scheduled consideration of contempt at 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, June 20, 2012, would be sufficient to justify the postponement of the proceeding to allow for the review of materials,” Issa wrote.

DOJ spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the fact that Issa was open to delaying the largely political contempt proceeding was a positive sign.

“It is in the best interest of all parties to bring this matter to a final resolution by avoiding a confrontation that involves contempt and we believe that the provision of documents must be part of an agreement that brings this matter to a close,” she said. “We trust that Chairman Issa shares our interest in doing so and will work with us in a productive and good faith manner to achieve that end.”

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[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I knew Issa was just bluffing.

Fast And Furious: Issa Says He’ll Postpone Contempt Vote If Holder Provides Documents


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed

Just shows how big of a low life piece of shit dirt bag Holder is. It's really sad when the US Attorney General has to be threaten with contempt before he complies with the law.

But that is typical of a low life worthless piece of shit libtard-democrat.

[CS natureboy]

EXCLUSIVE: 'Fast and Furious' whistleblower says he's 'disappointed' one year later

By William La Jeunesse
Published June 18, 2012

FoxNews.com

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GREENVILLE, SC – More than a year after ATF Special Agent John Dodson first blew the whistle on the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, Dodson says he is "disheartened and disappointed" by the congressional investigation and Attorney General Eric Holder’s handling of the botched gunrunning probe.
"I am here today because it's been a year since the first hearing and Brian Terry's family still doesn't have answers," Dodson said from his living room in Greenville, S.C.
In his first interview since February 2011, when he first revealed the U.S. government was helping run guns to Mexican cartels, Dodson exclusively told Fox News he has no regrets.
"We did it. I was there. I was part of it. You don't get to lie about it. That is not who we are," Dodson said.
According to records, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation sent some 2,500 guns to the Sinaloa Cartel from September 2009 to January 2011. Agents asked American gun dealers to sell the weapons and report the transactions immediately to the ATF. Despite their misgivings, most firearms dealers went along. When the guns began showing up immediately at crime scenes in Mexico, Dodson warned his supervisors their operation was going to kill an American law enforcement officer, not to mention hundreds of Mexicans.
"I asked them if they were prepared to go to the funeral of a Border Patrol agent over this or Cochise County deputy – if they were prepared to watch that widow accept that folded flag because that’s exactly what was going to happen. So they can't claim that was an unforeseen consequence," he said.
While Dodson's offhand warning in May 2010 in the office lunchroom may seem inconsequential, legally it's not. The Terry family is preparing to sue the U.S. government for wrongful death. In similar cases, government agencies often argue accidental deaths or injuries are an "unforeseen consequence" of their actions. Dodson's warning makes that defense problematic.
"I don't feel vindicated at all," Dodson explained. "It's not a matter of me feeling vindicated. ... Maybe the truth will come out -- ultimately that's what this is supposed to be about ... to get the truth."
After internal emails revealed Fast and Furious guns were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, Dodson said he complained repeatedly to the ATF Office of Professional Responsibility. Twice he was directed to voicemail. Eventually, he went outside the agency to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
"Do I regret it? No. To me, there wasn't a choice. But I thought I would be one of many agents to come forward,” he said. Dodson was wrong.
Dodson says Grassley's staff warned, "going public will probably not end well for you." But he went ahead, knowing he could lose his job. Other agents considered it, but were urged not to.
"Other agents were held back because of their families," said Dodson's wife Keri. "When you have a family and spouse who wants and expects certain things, the thought of losing that is incomprehensible."
Dodson and his wife say they were raised in the rural South by families with strong values but limited means.
After Terry's shooting,"John had to come forward," Keri Dodson said. "The way we were both brought up, truth is the ultimate. Truth may hurt. It may sting. It may be hard to deal with. To lie or not tell truth because you are worried about money is just not something that we do."
Dodson paid a high price for the truth. Moving to Arizona had been a dream come true. But after he blew the whistle, he was ostracized and told to leave Phoenix. Agent-in-Charge Tom Brandon knew the boss in South Carolina and felt Dodson would feel less retribution there.
"It was hard leaving Phoenix," Keri Dodson said.
Even though Attorney General Eric Holder admitted Fast and Furious was a mistake and ordered the agency to stop walking guns, Dodson says the ATF never acknowledged it did anything wrong. His former chain of command filed a complaint against Dodson for lying. Despite a mountain of evidence and testimony to the contrary, he remains on leave, rendered ineffective by the claims against him.
"I can't do my job. Every time I help another agent, I endanger his case by being there under this cloud of accusation," Dodson said.
The attorney general has asked the inspector general to investigate Fast and Furious and determine who is responsible for its mistakes. More than a year later, Dodson finds it incredible no one has been punished and held accountable.
"The Secret Service scandal that just happened. Did we have to wait on an OIG report? No. In three weeks 10 guys were gone," he said. "The GSA scandal? Dealt with and gone. We shouldn't have to wait a year on a OIG report."
As for the current congressional investigation, Dodson says lawmakers should stop playing politics.
"I don't care if you're on the right or left. No one has ever asked me my political affiliation. To say this is all party games, not for me. Not for Brian Terry's family, I assure you.”
As for holding Holder in contempt of Congress -- which some lawmakers are pushing for with a committee vote as early as this week -- Dodson says: "We either do it or we don't. Either you think he is in contempt or you don't. If you do, then you vote. Give it the floor time. You play your cards."





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1yAVXPTnb

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

EXCLUSIVE: 'Fast and Furious' whistleblower says he's 'disappointed' one year later

By William La Jeunesse
Published June 18, 2012

FoxNews.com

• 
  
• • 
    Fox News Exclusive: Whistleblower speaks on Fast and...
  • 
    Fast and Furious Media Bias

GREENVILLE, SC – More than a year after ATF Special Agent John Dodson first blew the whistle on the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, Dodson says he is "disheartened and disappointed" by the congressional investigation and Attorney General Eric Holder’s handling of the botched gunrunning probe.
"I am here today because it's been a year since the first hearing and Brian Terry's family still doesn't have answers," Dodson said from his living room in Greenville, S.C.
In his first interview since February 2011, when he first revealed the U.S. government was helping run guns to Mexican cartels, Dodson exclusively told Fox News he has no regrets.
"We did it. I was there. I was part of it. You don't get to lie about it. That is not who we are," Dodson said.
According to records, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation sent some 2,500 guns to the Sinaloa Cartel from September 2009 to January 2011. Agents asked American gun dealers to sell the weapons and report the transactions immediately to the ATF. Despite their misgivings, most firearms dealers went along. When the guns began showing up immediately at crime scenes in Mexico, Dodson warned his supervisors their operation was going to kill an American law enforcement officer, not to mention hundreds of Mexicans.
"I asked them if they were prepared to go to the funeral of a Border Patrol agent over this or Cochise County deputy – if they were prepared to watch that widow accept that folded flag because that’s exactly what was going to happen. So they can't claim that was an unforeseen consequence," he said.
While Dodson's offhand warning in May 2010 in the office lunchroom may seem inconsequential, legally it's not. The Terry family is preparing to sue the U.S. government for wrongful death. In similar cases, government agencies often argue accidental deaths or injuries are an "unforeseen consequence" of their actions. Dodson's warning makes that defense problematic.
"I don't feel vindicated at all," Dodson explained. "It's not a matter of me feeling vindicated. ... Maybe the truth will come out -- ultimately that's what this is supposed to be about ... to get the truth."
After internal emails revealed Fast and Furious guns were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, Dodson said he complained repeatedly to the ATF Office of Professional Responsibility. Twice he was directed to voicemail. Eventually, he went outside the agency to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
"Do I regret it? No. To me, there wasn't a choice. But I thought I would be one of many agents to come forward,” he said. Dodson was wrong.
Dodson says Grassley's staff warned, "going public will probably not end well for you." But he went ahead, knowing he could lose his job. Other agents considered it, but were urged not to.
"Other agents were held back because of their families," said Dodson's wife Keri. "When you have a family and spouse who wants and expects certain things, the thought of losing that is incomprehensible."
Dodson and his wife say they were raised in the rural South by families with strong values but limited means.
After Terry's shooting,"John had to come forward," Keri Dodson said. "The way we were both brought up, truth is the ultimate. Truth may hurt. It may sting. It may be hard to deal with. To lie or not tell truth because you are worried about money is just not something that we do."
Dodson paid a high price for the truth. Moving to Arizona had been a dream come true. But after he blew the whistle, he was ostracized and told to leave Phoenix. Agent-in-Charge Tom Brandon knew the boss in South Carolina and felt Dodson would feel less retribution there.
"It was hard leaving Phoenix," Keri Dodson said.
Even though Attorney General Eric Holder admitted Fast and Furious was a mistake and ordered the agency to stop walking guns, Dodson says the ATF never acknowledged it did anything wrong. His former chain of command filed a complaint against Dodson for lying. Despite a mountain of evidence and testimony to the contrary, he remains on leave, rendered ineffective by the claims against him.
"I can't do my job. Every time I help another agent, I endanger his case by being there under this cloud of accusation," Dodson said.
The attorney general has asked the inspector general to investigate Fast and Furious and determine who is responsible for its mistakes. More than a year later, Dodson finds it incredible no one has been punished and held accountable.
"The Secret Service scandal that just happened. Did we have to wait on an OIG report? No. In three weeks 10 guys were gone," he said. "The GSA scandal? Dealt with and gone. We shouldn't have to wait a year on a OIG report."
As for the current congressional investigation, Dodson says lawmakers should stop playing politics.
"I don't care if you're on the right or left. No one has ever asked me my political affiliation. To say this is all party games, not for me. Not for Brian Terry's family, I assure you.”
As for holding Holder in contempt of Congress -- which some lawmakers are pushing for with a committee vote as early as this week -- Dodson says: "We either do it or we don't. Either you think he is in contempt or you don't. If you do, then you vote. Give it the floor time. You play your cards."





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1yAVXPTnb

You know what I find most interesting about this story? Not once does ATF Special Agent John Dodson so much as hint that Attorney General Eric Holder nor anyone in the White House knew about operation Fast and Furious until he blew the whistle.

Which simply proves Issa has been on nothing but a political witch-hunt for more than a year.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

You know what I find most interesting about this story? Not once does ATF Special Agent John Dodson so much as hint that Attorney General Eric Holder nor anyone in the White House knew about operation Fast and Furious until he blew the whistle.

Which simply proves Issa has been on nothing but a political witch-hunt for more than a year.

It wasn't Dodson's job to find the head of the snake (The two headed snake of Obama and Holder). He did not implicate anyone. He just reported what he knew was illegal and wrong.

[stumbler]

I know its not actually possible for brainwashed and paranoid parrots to actually avail themselves of the facts but for anyone else that might be interested I think this is the best chronologies and in depth analysis of Operation Fast and Furious that I've seen. And its actually at a local level published by the Arizona Republic no less.

But its got the whole cast of characters, their political affiliations if any, and some commentary from experts in the field. The story also contains the actual context of the gun walking operations that proceeded Fast and Furious and makes the very logical point that while some right wing second amendment fanatics are trying to claim the "anti-gun Obama administration" conducted Operation Fast and Furious because they want knew gun laws in the US are also by extention accusing the very pro gun Bush/Cheney administration of trying to do the same thing. Which is obviously illogical and irrational.

ATF gun probe: Behind the fall of Operation Fast and Furious

Motives, allegiances add to saga intrigue

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...#ixzz1yB9gPcVf

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

It wasn't Dodson's job to find the head of the snake (The two headed snake of Obama and Holder). He did not implicate anyone. He just reported what he knew was illegal and wrong.

But Operation Wide Receiver seems to challenge that assertion. That investigation, based in Tucson during 2006-07, allowed nearly 300 guns to be smuggled into Mexico. The objective, according to federal records: catch cartel kingpins.


The problem for those who see gun-walking as a conspiracy of the Obama administration: Operation Wide Receiver was carried out during the Bush administration, under then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.


Even Dobyns, one of the agents behind cleanupatf.org, discounts notions that the gun-walking tactic originated in Washington, D.C. He says Fast and Furious was concocted by an Arizona field agent and endorsed by ATF bosses up the line from Phoenix.


"I think it was a ploy at self-glorification," he said. "When the OIG report came out and said, 'Hey, ATF, you're failing miserably,' I think they decided to prove him wrong. They said, 'I'm going to get the big fish, and how do you like me now?' "

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...#ixzz1yBBvxpiv

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I know its not actually possible for brainwashed and paranoid parrots to actually avail themselves of the facts but for anyone else that might be interested I think this is the best chronologies and in depth analysis of Operation Fast and Furious that I've seen. And its actually at a local level published by the Arizona Republic no less.

But its got the whole cast of characters, their political affiliations if any, and some commentary from experts in the field. The story also contains the actual context of the gun walking operations that proceeded Fast and Furious and makes the very logical point that while some right wing second amendment fanatics are trying to claim the "anti-gun Obama administration" conducted Operation Fast and Furious because they want knew gun laws in the US are also by extention accusing the very pro gun Bush/Cheney administration of trying to do the same thing. Which is obviously illogical and irrational.

ATF gun probe: Behind the fall of Operation Fast and Furious

Motives, allegiances add to saga intrigue

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...#ixzz1yB9gPcVf

OMG!!!!!!!! You are beyond pathetic!!!!!!! So the left wing retards are down to the "it's Bush's fault" defense?

What's next?

Perhaps Obama and Holder playing the race card? You know, they don't like us just because we is black!

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

OMG!!!!!!!! You are beyond pathetic!!!!!!! So the left wing retards are down to the "it's Bush's fault" defense?

What's next?

Perhaps Obama and Holder playing the race card? You know, they don't like us just because we is black!

Hey, what do you want from me Natural Boy. I already said in advance that brainwashed parrots like yourself would not be able to read an actual factual account of Operation Fast and Furious and therefore would obviously make a fool of themselves by coming up with a bullshit lie for simpletons like yourself that somehow this had anything to do with being Bush's fault.

It simply (again for simpleton's like you) points out that since the ATF under both Bush and Obama pursued these really ill fated gun walking operations only a brainwashed gullible hysterical fool like yourself would think it had anything to do with some gun control agenda.

So I guess that would make you the pathetic one wouldn't it?

[stumbler]

Obama Executive Privilege Asserted Over Fast And Furious Documents

President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege in response to requests made by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who has embarked on a controversial investigation into the Department of Justice's Operation Fast and Furious gun-walking program.


The invocation of executive privilege allows the president to defy requests and subpoenas by members of the legislative and judicial branches for information the White House deems sensitive. Obama's decision will allow him to refuse to provide certain documents pertaining to the Fast and Furious program.


Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole addressed Issa in a letter on Wednesday morning.


"We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the Committee's concerns and to accommodate the Committee's legitimate oversight interests regarding Operation Fast and Furious," he wrote. "Although we are deeply disappointed that the Committee appears intent on proceeding with a contempt vote, the Department remains willing to work with the Committee to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution of the outstanding issues."


Attorney General Eric Holder, who met with Issa Tuesday in an attempt to reach an agreement on how many and which documents related to Fast and Furious he would turn over, had formally written Obama requesting that he exercise executive privilege. A copy of that letter is below.


The Oversight Committee has threatened to hold the attorney general in contempt, and Issa had scheduled a vote on the matter for Wednesday morning. A committee aide told Reuters that he would proceed with the contempt vote even after Obama's action. Issa later declared that the decision to assert executive privilege "falls short of any reason to delay today's proceedings."


In an email to The Huffington Post, an administration official noted that former President George W. Bush asserted executive privilege six times, while former President Bill Clinton did it 14 times. This is the first time Obama has exercised this authority. But while that may be the case, the Republican National Committee was quick to point out Wednesday that Obama, then a senator and presidential candidate, criticized Bush for using the practice in 2007.


Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), questioned the White House's move Wednesday in a statement:
"Until now, everyone believed that the decisions regarding 'Fast and Furious' were confined to the Department of Justice," Steel said. "The White House decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House officials were either involved in the 'Fast and Furious' operation or the cover-up that followed. The Administration has always insisted that wasn't the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1611962.html

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Obama Executive Privilege Asserted Over Fast And Furious Documents




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1611962.html

LMAO!!!!! That is just what a spine less coward like Obama does when caught doing illegal things!!!!!

The worthless douche bag Holder is just doing what Obama tells him to do.

After all, the only reason Holder is the USAT is because he paid Obama 500,000 dollars back in 2008 to BO's campaign.

I love this and it wll figure in on the election this November.

The people of the US are fed up with this lying worthless piece of shit Obama and his flunky Eric the retard Holder!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

LMAO!!!!! That is just what a spine less coward like Obama does when caught doing illegal things!!!!!

The worthless douche bag Holder is just doing what Obama tells him to do.

After all, the only reason Holder is the USAT is because he paid Obama 500,000 dollars back in 2008 to BO's campaign.

I love this and it wll figure in on the election this November.

The people of the US are fed up with this lying worthless piece of shit Obama and his flunky Eric the retard Holder!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you're an ignorant blowhard as well as a pathetic brainwashed parrot.

What happens if Issa actually bets a contempt citation approved by Congress? (Don't have clue, do you parrot)?

How long would it take? (Don't know that either do you fool)?

How many times did George Bush invoke executive privilege?

And what were his reasons?

You and your profound ignorance crack me up.

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Here's the White House Statement:

White House: No cover-up, GOP playing politics with Fast & Furious

The White House is responding to allegations of a coverup from House Speaker John Boehner by accusing him and other House Republicans of playing politics.


The statement by White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer:

"With millions of Americans still struggling to pay the bills, Republicans announced at the beginning of this year that one of their top priorities was to investigate the Administration and damage the President politically. We are ten days away from the expiration of federal transportation funding which guarantees jobs for almost a million construction workers because Congress hasn't passed a transportation bill. We are eleven days away from nearly seven and a half million students seeing their loan rates double because Congress hasn't acted to stop it. But instead of creating jobs or strengthening the middle-class, Congressional Republicans are spending their time on a politically-motivated, taxpayer-funded election-year fishing expedition.


The problem of gunwalking was a field-driven tactic that dated back to the previous Administration, and it was this Administration's Attorney General who ended it. In fact, the Justice Department has spent the past fourteen months accommodating Congressional investigators, producing 7,600 pages of documents, and testifying at eleven Congressional hearings. Yet, Republicans insist on moving forward with an effort that Republicans and objective legal experts have noted is purely political.


Given the economic challenges facing the country, we believe that House Republicans should work with the rest of Congress and the President to create more jobs, not more political theater."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...st-126772.html

[Rixer]

Sending guns to cartels in Mexico while raiding taxpaying medical marijuana dispensaries in Ca isn't going over too well out here.

Makes you wonder whose side he is on.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Rixer

Sending guns to cartels in Mexico while raiding taxpaying medical marijuana dispensaries in Ca isn't going over too well out here.

Makes you wonder whose side he is on.

Haven't really bothered to check your facts have you?

The guns to Mexico started under Bush and was a Phoenix based ATF operation that was cancelled and an investigation begun as soon as Holder learned of the operation under the control of a Bush appointee hold-over because Senate Republicans are blocking nearly all of President Obama's appointees.

And as far as the raids on Marijuana dispensaries those are also being conducted by local US attorneys and involve what they consider large illegal marijuana dealing operations that are far beyond any reasonable definition of caregiver.