Let's Meet ALEC

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Hey what do you know ALEC has hands across the water and they apparently just got caught in the cookie jar.

As Scandal Engulfs American Legislative Exchange Council’s U.K. Affiliate, A Closer Look At Its US Operation



http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...-alec-exposed/

I can't see a problem here with ALEC, just with an affiliate of ALEC.

Like some say, Soros has nothing to do with Media Matters.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I can't see a problem here with ALEC, just with an affiliate of ALEC.

Like some say, Soros has nothing to do with Media Matters.

By all means Ace you put up all the George Soros scandals you want. I'll look at all of them. But right now I'm more interested in the exposure ALEC is getting because they've now been outed and their impact on us is beginning to get a lot better known.

And I hope in my own small way I can do my part to help.

Just like this:

Corporate Front Group ALEC Pushing For Repeal Of Paid Sick Day Laws Nationwide


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...eal-sick-days/

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

By all means Ace you put up all the George Soros scandals you want. I'll look at all of them. But right now I'm more interested in the exposure ALEC is getting because they've now been outed and their impact on us is beginning to get a lot better known.

And I hope in my own small way I can do my part to help.

Just like this:

Corporate Front Group ALEC Pushing For Repeal Of Paid Sick Day Laws Nationwide


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...eal-sick-days/

GOOD,,,I hope they succeed in the repeals,,I dont get any sick pay.

[stumbler]

Hey what do you know ALEC is getting better known all the time. And speaking of that it appears to be documentary time.

And for a couple of personal reasons this one is particularly sweet to me.

New Documentary Highlights Koch Influence on American Politics

Here's an interesting new documentary by Al Jazeera's Bob Abeshouse on the Kochtopus. There's nothing in it that hasn't been reported elsewhere, but it's quite a nice roundup of the different tentacles and how they influence politics. This comment by Jane Mayer leads it off:

"It was very hard to figure out -- in fact, impossible to figure out -- how much money they've spent on American politics. It was easily 100 million dollars since 1980."

The clause in the middle is highlighted because it truly is impossible to figure out. I believe the number is much, much higher than $100 million.



She's underestimating by a long shot. For example, this report published in April of this year by the Center for American Progress (PDF) shows about $75 million spent on the top 17 organizations. The entire list goes on for two columns across two pages. Still, I can attest to Mayer's' claim about the impossibility of knowing exactly how much. They give through donor-advised funds like Donors' Trust in order to disguise the source, and they aren't the only ones. It just happens that they're the front guys this time, just like Scaife was back in the Clintons' day.


Tim Phillips makes an appearance claiming that Americans for Prosperity is just fighting for the average middle class person. One of the more encouraging parts comes toward the middle when Abeston interviews Wisconsin families and union members just after Scott Walker introduced his union-busting bill.



It is remarkable to see any media actually reporting this, and it is certainly expected that US media companies would stay far back from it. Kudos to Al Jazeera for making it and showing it.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new...ch-influence-a

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

GOOD,,,I hope they succeed in the repeals,,I dont get any sick pay.

Hey Ace; how's that Issue #2 going.

[stumbler]

This is an excellent article posted by Kimiko on another thread but think is important here because it shows how ALEC, major US Corporations like Koch Brothers Insdustries, and the Republican Governors Association poured millions of dollars into getting Scott Walker elected in Wisconsin and Ohio Governor John Kasich specifically to push the ALEC agenda which has now been soundly rejected in Ohio and may get Walker recalled in Wisconsin.

RGA and ALEC

Kasich is an alumnus of ALEC, a group that brings together state legislators and corporate leaders from companies like Bayer, Pfizer, Wal-Mart, Exxon-Mobile and Koch Industries to draft model bills for state legislators seeking to advance a conservative, pro-business agenda. The Center for Media and Democracy recently exposed 800 ALEC model bills, revealing an effort to weaken unions, cut environmental regulations and privatize state services. Kasich and Republican legislators that supported Senate Bill 5 received $563,000 in campaign contributions from ALEC corporations in 2010, according to watchdog group Common Cause, but that number is much bigger when factoring in the RGA.

http://www.truth-out.org/special-rep...hio/1319551500

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You just gotta love that ALEC.

ALEC Deems Kids Eating Rat Poison An ‘Acceptable Risk’

As ThinkProgress has been reporting for some time, the corporate front group American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has been colluding with the billionaire Koch brothers to privatize government and eliminate environmental regulations that interfere with profits.

GOP legislators in many states have given ALEC free reign to write anti-health care reform and anti-environment legislation. Now, ALEC is fighting to kill Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules limiting the sale of rat poisons that pose a serious health threat to children and the ecosystem.



A top representative for the ultra-conservative group said kids eating rat poison is an “acceptable risk” that does not justify government intervention:

“There are certain levels of acceptable risk in society,” says Todd M. Wynn, director of the ALEC Energy, Environment, and Agriculture Task Force, in an interview about the EPA rules with the Heartland Institute’s Heartlander website. “And parents play an important role by weighing the potential risks and benefits of using a product.”


“Unfortunately, EPA expands its reach into the American economy more and more each and every year,” Wynn said. “This year it will be d-Con, but next year another useful product will be burdened by additional regulations or banned outright from the market.” [...]


Aaron Colangelo, an attorney for the NRDC…told the Center for Media and Democracy that “there is not an undue economic burden associated with reformulating these products,” pointing out that the rest of the industry had complied with the new rules without adverse economic impact. Additionally, he said, “the health care costs for treating these kids certainly outweigh the economic costs of reformulation.”

Wynn’s startling admission illustrates the extent to which ALEC is willing to sacrifice the health of Americans to advance their radical agenda. For decades, at least 12,000-15,000 children a year have become ill after accidentally touching or ingesting rat poison that’s spread in pellet form. Poisoned children experience internal bleeding, bloody urine, bleeding gums, and blood coming from their ears. Poor and minority children are disproportionately affected.



Exposure often occurs in settings outside parents’ control, and giving companies the option of voluntary adopting changes has done nothing to help. After thirteen years of studies, hearings, reports and legal battles, “the EPA announced in 2008 rodenticide manufacturers would have three years to adopt limits on the sale of the products.”


For years, ALEC has successfully killed these kind of regulations on environmental toxins and pollutants on behalf of corporations. At their annual conference in New Orleans this year, ALEC distributed a pamphlet titled “The Many Benefits Of Atmospheric CO2 Enrichment,” complete with pictures depicting happy wildlife and a healthy environment. Companies like Koch Industries, BP, WalMart, and others join forces to fund this little-known organization that works behind the scenes to fight the dirty battles that no corporation would want to be publicly associated with.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011...ceptable-risk/

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The Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Savage Assault on Democracy

Billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch finally got their way in 2011. After their decades of funding the American Legislative Exchange Council, the collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators, the project began finally to yield the intended result.
 
For the first time in decades, the United States saw a steady dismantling of the laws, regulations, programs and practices put in place to make real the promise of American democracy.


That is why, on Saturday, civil rights groups and their allies will rally outside the New York headquarters of the Koch brothers to begin a march for the renewal of voting rights in America.


For the Koch brothers and their kind, less democracy is better. They fund campaigns with millions of dollars in checks that have helped elect the likes of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and Ohio Governor John Kasich. And ALEC has made it clear, through its ambitious “Public Safety and Elections Task Force,” that while it wants to dismantle any barriers to corporate cash and billionaire bucks’ influencing elections, it wants very much to erect barriers to the primary tool that Americans who are not CEOs have to influence the politics and the government of the nation: voting.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/165077...ault-democracy

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Little by little the light begins to shine.

Updated: January 4, 2012, 3:39PM

An investigation released this week says that Virginia lawmakers take a “disturbing” number of cues from a conservative group that pushes model bills on state legislatures nationwide.



The Virginia General Assembly introduced at least 50 bills since 2007 that appear to be near carbon copies of legislation first imagined by the American Legislative Exchange Council, more widely known as ALEC, the report found.


The investigation was paid for and released by ProgressVA, a liberal organization affiliated with the national advocacy group ProgressNow. The organization said the results demonstrate that ALEC holds a “disturbing level of influence” over Virginia’s elected officials.


The report also said taxpayers spent more than $230,000 to send state lawmakers to ALEC conferences, where they then met with corporate lobbyists behind closed doors. Of the bills apparently drafted by ALEC, three became law, the report said.


ProgressVA’s executive director Anna Scholl said her state is particularly vulnerable to the influence of a group like ALEC because the general assembly only meets for a short time each year. Legislative sessions last only 45 or 60 days a year, depending on whether a budget is in the works.


“There’s not an extensive amount of time for research,” Scholl told TPM. “One of the reasons that ALEC has been able to build so much influence here is that it’s an easy resource for legislators.”


The legislation, she said, is “just handed to them.”


Another reason, she said, is because the state’s Speaker of the House, Bill Howell, serves on ALEC’s board and was once its national chairman. Howell did not respond to a request for comment.


A spokeswoman for for the group hit back against ProgressVA on Wednesday, saying the organization’s views were “extreme” and often put it on the opposite side of ALEC.


“ALEC members share a common philosophy of limited government, free markets and federalism,” spokeswoman Kaitlyn Buss wrote in an email to TPM. “We understand that organizations like ProgressVA and its ally, People for the American Way, oppose these principles, and they are free to do so.”


ALEC has come under increased scrutiny in recent months after the Center for Media and Democracy published a leak of more than 800 model bills and resolutions crafted by the conservative organization.


Scholl said ProgressVA used that leak as the basis for its investigation. First, the group figured out which lawmakers had attended ALEC conferences and then compared bills those lawmakers sponsored to the leaked model bills.


Although ALEC is officially nonpartisan, most of its members are Republican because of its bent toward free-market and limited-government issues.


Scholl said ProgressVA was able to link a few of the state’s Democrats to the organization, but the lawmakers who were influenced most by ALEC were “overwhelmingly Republicans.”


Scholl said her group plans to watch for ALEC bills throughout this year’s legislative session, which convenes Jan. 11.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Little by little the light begins to shine.



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed

WELL,,,HOT DAMN.............

You have no idea how happy I am about this new ''NEWS''....

I wonder who assisted on righting the Frank/Dodd bill and Obamacare..

I'll check.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

WELL,,,HOT DAMN.............

You have no idea how happy I am about this new ''NEWS''....

I wonder who assisted on righting the Frank/Dodd bill and Obamacare..

I'll check.

And I'll be right here.

[stumbler]

Oops: Florida Republican Forgets To Remove ALEC Mission Statement From Boilerplate Anti-Tax Bill

Progressives have long tried to expose the influence the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) wields in state house across the country, but one Florida lawmaker is making it too easy.



Funded almost entirely by large corporations, ALEC produces “model legislation” favorable to industry that state lawmakers can introduce as their own bills. Usually, the legislators tweak the language of the bills to make them state-specific or to obfuscate their origins. Usually, but apparently not always.


In November, Florida state Rep. Rachel Burgin (R) introduced a resolution (PDF here) that would officially call on the federal government to reduce corporate taxes, but she apparently forgot to remove ALEC’s mission statement from the top of the bill, which she seems to have copied word-for-word from ALEC’s model bill:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...p-alec-forget/

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Oops: Florida Republican Forgets To Remove ALEC Mission Statement From Boilerplate Anti-Tax Bill




http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...p-alec-forget/

Is ALEC lobbying illegal.??

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Is ALEC lobbying illegal.??

Not at all. But if their activities get widely known, the Republican Party will pay a price. Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant...a lesson recently learned by the Susan G. Komen Foundation, it seems. Your side seems to have success only when you can fly under the radar, out of public view. Once your activities are revealed, along with who is paying for them and who benefits from them, you're in big trouble.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Not at all. But if their activities get widely known, the Republican Party will pay a price. Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant...a lesson recently learned by the Susan G. Komen Foundation, it seems.

What's the odds of G.E. influencing some forms of legislation?

Or Solyndra?

George Soros?

AARP??

AIG?

CITIGROUP?

The list goes on and on, if ALEC would in fact cause the GOP to 'pay the price',,,what is the price to be paid?..I see nothing wrong with Jeffersonian type legislation .

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

What's the odds of G.E. influencing some forms of legislation?

Or Solyndra?

George Soros?

AARP??

AIG?

CITIGROUP?

The list goes on and on, if ALEC would in fact cause the GOP to 'pay the price',,,what is the price to be paid?..I see nothing wrong with Jeffersonian type legislation .

"Jeffersonian-type legislation"? Is that what Rush Limbaugh is feeding you guys these days?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Is ALEC lobbying illegal.??

Of course not but most people don't even know ALEC let alone know they might be writing the bulk of their state laws in favor of businesses and industries.

So every little bit helps like some dumb legislator forgetting to take ALEC's name off of what was supposed to be her bill.

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Not at all. But if their activities get widely known, the Republican Party will pay a price. Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant...a lesson recently learned by the Susan G. Komen Foundation, it seems. Your side seems to have success only when you can fly under the radar, out of public view. Once your activities are revealed, along with who is paying for them and who benefits from them, you're in big trouble.

Ain't it the truth. And the truth has been biting them in the ass quite a bit lately.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

"Jeffersonian-type legislation"? Is that what Rush Limbaugh is feeding you guys these days?

I think Jefferson just turned over in his grave.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by stumbler

So every little bit helps like some dumb legislator forgetting to take ALEC's name off of what was supposed to be her bill.

Yeah, that was pretty funny. And it got even funnier when she withdrew the bill, scrubbed the ALEC reference, and re-introduced it with a different name and number. Too late, sweetie.

[ace's n 8's]

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Of course not but most people don't even know ALEC let alone know they might be writing the bulk of their state laws in favor of businesses and industries.

Versus what?,,State Capitalism,,let me tell you a secret,,people like business and industry, especially when they work for those businesses and indusrties

So every little bit helps like some dumb legislator forgetting to take ALEC's name off of what was supposed to be her bill.

She sure helped the left out here,,is she one of your spies?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Yeah, that was pretty funny. And it got even funnier when she withdrew the bill, scrubbed the ALEC reference, and re-introduced it with a different name and number. Too late, sweetie.

And to go back to the point you made a great deal of ALEC's success is that few outside the conservatives they are advocating for knew about them or had any idea just how influential they are at writing pro-business laws and pushing their conservative agenda.

But now they are getting outed by their own incompetents. I'm loving that.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

"Jeffersonian-type legislation"? Is that what Rush Limbaugh is feeding you guys these days?

I have never heard Daddy Rush even speak of ALEC...You leftists better send him a memo.

If you leftists are totally against ALEC,,they do in fact have fabulous ideas, and I endorse them.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Versus what?,,State Capitalism,,let me tell you a secret,,people like business and industry, especially when they work for those businesses and indusrties

Don't try to pretend that they're carrying out the will of the people, Ace. They're carrying out the will of the corporations who provide their funding.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I have never heard Daddy Rush even speak of ALEC...You leftists better send him a memo.

Oh, then you DO listen to Rush. As if that was in doubt.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And to go back to the point you made a great deal of ALEC's success is that few outside the conservatives they are advocating for knew about them or had any idea just how influential they are at writing pro-business laws and pushing their conservative agenda.

But now they are getting outed by their own incompetents. I'm loving that.

Yeah, it's kind of like when Scott Walker got punked by the faux-Koch Brothers phone call. BUSTED!!!

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Oh, then you DO listen to Rush. As if that was in doubt.

I have never denied it,,I dont tell everyone, everything,,you feel special now,,,dont ya......

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Don't try to pretend that they're carrying out the will of the people, Ace. They're carrying out the will of the corporations who provide their funding.

Get off of it,, are you trying to say, that G.E.,has interests in what Mary needs,, or do you actually think that G.E. has interests ''ONLY'' in G.E.??

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Don't try to pretend that they're carrying out the will of the people, Ace. They're carrying out the will of the corporations who provide their funding.

And not just corporations. In many cases its entire industries they've helped create and then pass laws to provide customers to them like the private prison industry.

Which many studies show actually cost more than public prisons.

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Yeah, it's kind of like when Scott Walker got punked by the faux-Koch Brothers phone call. BUSTED!!!

Speaking of getting punked, again. Walker has lawyered up to meet voluntarily with the prosecutor in the investigation of working on campaigns on state time.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Speaking of getting punked, again. Walker has lawyered up to meet voluntarily with the prosecutor in the investigation of working on campaigns on state time.

Not to be overly cynical or anything, but I'm guessing he's getting ready to throw everyone under the bus...except, of course, himself.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

Not to be overly cynical or anything, but I'm guessing he's getting ready to throw everyone under the bus...except, of course, himself.

But that's just it. All of this either happened with Walker's approval and possibly supervision or it was just absolutely rampant and happening right under his nose and he was too incompetent to see it.

The problem though that I see is the snitch and the child molester. I'll bet they are singing like American Idol.

By the way the Democrats are going ahead with recalls of several other Republican Senators who are just becoming eligible.

But the Walker camp has launched a "write in Walker in the Democratic Primary" campaign to try and confuse voters and win by a dirty trick. You know like they are political virgins in Wisconsin at this point

[stumbler]

Here's another recent example of ALEC's agenda being rejected which I think is in part because they and their overall agenda are being gradually exposed.

GOP Legislators Spooked By Pro-Voter Referendum Join Democrats To Kill Maine Voter ID Proposal

Though Republicans enjoy full control over Maine’s lawmaking process, they’ve dropped a push to require certain photo identification in order to vote.

Though Maine Republicans were considering voter ID legislation at the beginning of the year, Democrats vociferously objected because the bill could prevent thousands of Mainers from voting, particularly elderly individuals. On Friday, Republicans acceded to those objections, striking the voter ID language from an election law bill. This is the second time voter ID has failed to pass the GOP-controlled Maine legislature. Last year, a voter ID bill failed in the Senate after first being passed by the House.


In 2011, half a dozen states passed similar voter ID measures, from Texas to Wisconsin to South Carolina. As a result, millions of poor, rural or minority voters could be barred from voting in the 2012 election, a level of disenfranchisement not seen since the Jim Crow era.


Maine Republicans were chastened during the 2011 session after they passed a bill to eliminate the state’s 38 year-old law allowing for Election Day registration, only to see their move overturned by a citizens veto in November. More than 60 percent of Mainers rebuked the legislature and voted to restore Election Day registration.


State Rep. Diane Russell (D) pointed to this episode to explain why Republicans opted against pursuing voter ID again this year. “Last November, 60% of Maine voters overwhelmingly rejected the Republican election suppression agenda,” Russell, who sits on the committee that removed the voter ID language, told ThinkProgress. “It is a real testament to Maine voters that Republicans decided against pursuing another failed election suppression policy by killing voter ID.”


Former state Sen. David Trahan (R), who served until December 2011, agreed with this take. “I do think that the referendum question–Question 1–changed that dynamic,” Trahan told the Maine Public Broadcasting Network. “And I think you’re going to see some gun-shy folks revisiting something to do with voting.”


Friday’s move likely puts voter ID to rest in Maine for 2012.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...kill-voter-id/

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Here's another recent example of ALEC's agenda being rejected which I think is in part because they and their overall agenda are being gradually exposed.

GOP Legislators Spooked By Pro-Voter Referendum Join Democrats To Kill Maine Voter ID Proposal




http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...kill-voter-id/

For the love of god,,you think this has something to do with ALEC,,hell no it doesn't,,it has everything to do with Maine's political system and their politicians, it's the bluest of blue states and Maine is just as blue as California, along with most of the east/west coastal states.

It's nothing more than the typical scare tactics that the left is notorious for.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

For the love of god,,you think this has something to do with ALEC,,hell no it doesn't,,it has everything to do with Maine's political system and their politicians, it's the bluest of blue states and Maine is just as blue as California, along with most of the east/west coastal states.

It's nothing more than the typical scare tactics that the left is notorious for.

Ace are you contending that ALEC did not write the "model legislation" for the rash of new voter registration and voter ID laws?

Just tell me if that's what you're saying.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Ace are you contending that ALEC did not write the "model legislation" for the rash of new voter registration and voter ID laws?

Just tell me if that's what you're saying.

I'm not saying that at all,,,I'm saying that it was voted down because of the republicans in office in the State of Maine are more moderate, and it had nothing to do with ALEC writing the legislation.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'm not saying that at all,,,I'm saying that it was voted down because of the republicans in office in the State of Maine are more moderate, and it had nothing to do with ALEC writing the legislation.

Nope. The conservative/Republican/Tea party in Mane was damn sure pushing the ALEC party line and had the votes to just run over the opposition. But they (unlike the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in Congress) got their nose wiped with a voter referendum and voted against political suicide.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Nope. The conservative/Republican/Tea party in Mane was damn sure pushing the ALEC party line and had the votes to just run over the opposition. But they (unlike the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in Congress) got their nose wiped with a voter referendum and voted against political suicide.

You sure have a skewed way of looking at this..It was not voted down because of ALEC being involved. It's because the left screamed like babies.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You sure have a skewed way of looking at this..It was not voted down because of ALEC being involved. It's because the left screamed like babies.

Ace you already admitted that these voter oppression laws are coming directly out of ALEC. Fuck the other day some Florida legislator even forgot to take their name off her bill for Christ's sake.

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ALEC and the Florida puppet made Keith Olbermann's Countdown tonight.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Ace you already admitted that these voter oppression laws are coming directly out of ALEC. Fuck the other day some Florida legislator even forgot to take their name off her bill for Christ's sake.

There's not one mention of ALEC, not one,,,,,,,the only one mentioning ALEC is you and your hysterical assumptions.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

There's not one mention of ALEC, not one,,,,,,,the only one mentioning ALEC is you and your hysterical assumptions.

Oh bullshit Ace.

Color of Change Launches Campaign Against ALEC-Inspired Voter ID Laws


http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-qu...es-campaign-ag

Why the Koch Brothers and ALEC Don't Want You to Vote

http://www.thenation.com/blog/164453...-want-you-vote

NAACP Denounces Role of ALEC in "Jim Crow, Esquire" Voting Laws


http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/12/...re-voting-laws

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Oh bullshit Ace.

Color of Change Launches Campaign Against ALEC-Inspired Voter ID Laws


http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-qu...es-campaign-ag

Why the Koch Brothers and ALEC Don't Want You to Vote

http://www.thenation.com/blog/164453...-want-you-vote

NAACP Denounces Role of ALEC in "Jim Crow, Esquire" Voting Laws


http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/12/...re-voting-laws

How fucking typical,,it's always an issue deflected back to a race issue, it's never discussed as being a legitimate attempt to prevent voter fraud from the left,,,you leftists are so pathetic,,I'm so glad and proud to be a conservative/republican.....

By the way, you and I were discussing MAINE,,another nice deflection from you.

The deflections from the left, are getting tiresome and predictable.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

How fucking typical,,it's always an issue deflected back to a race issue, it's never discussed as being a legitimate attempt to prevent voter fraud from the left,,,you leftists are so pathetic,,I'm so glad and proud to be a conservative/republican.....

Ace if you can show me documented cases of massive voter fraud you have a point but if you can't you don't. So either put up or shut up on that one pardner.

And you are the one trying to claim this is a racial issue not me. Because this is an issue of conservative/Republican/Tea Party trying to pass laws that discriminate against progressive/liberal/Democratic voters who tend to be minorities, elderly, and college students.

Its not racial. Its mathematical. And its ALEC inspired and promoted and passed off to Republican Legislatures. Just like the union busting laws. And the efforts to promote private prisons and more and more laws to keep them filled.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

By the way, you and I were discussing MAINE,,another nice deflection from you.

The deflections from the left, are getting tiresome and predictable.

There's no deflection at all. Below is my statement and I not only stand by it I believe I have proven it beyond reasonable doubt.

Originally Posted by stumbler

Here's another recent example of ALEC's agenda being rejected which I think is in part because they and their overall agenda are being gradually exposed.

GOP Legislators Spooked By Pro-Voter Referendum Join Democrats To Kill Maine Voter ID Proposal




http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...kill-voter-id/

1. I've proven and you have agreed that the voter registration and voter ID laws were written by ALEC and are part of ALEC's agenda.

2. The conservative/Republican/Tea Party controlled legislature passed a law ending same day voter registration and 60% of Maine voters issued a citizens veto.

3. Since the vast majority of Maine voters had already rejected even the first part of the ALEC inspired agenda the rest of the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have also rejected the ALEC agenda because the public is getting wise to their tricks.

[ace's n 8's]

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Ace if you can show me documented cases of massive voter fraud you have a point but if you can't you don't. So either put up or shut up on that one pardner.

I'll propose the other side of the argument,, you show me, where in fact, that voters were unable to vote because they were ''hindered'' by a law that required a voter I.D....

And you are the one trying to claim this is a racial issue not me. Because this is an issue of conservative/Republican/Tea Party trying to pass laws that discriminate against progressive/liberal/Democratic voters who tend to be minorities, elderly, and college students.

No it was not me,,it's the screaming moonbats that are using the race card,the screaming moonbats that oppose voter I.D....Comprehension is not your strong suit lately,,is it.

Its not racial. Its mathematical. And its ALEC inspired and promoted and passed off to Republican Legislatures. Just like the union busting laws. And the efforts to promote private prisons and more and more laws to keep them filled.

It's not a math issue, it's about securing a vote for you leftists.

There's no deflection at all. Below is my statement and I not only stand by it I believe I have proven it beyond reasonable doubt.

Like I said,,typical leftists deflection,,there's not one humble hint of ALEC being involved in that particular legislation,,not one.....

1. I've proven and you have agreed that the voter registration and voter ID laws were written by ALEC and are part of ALEC's agenda.

Would yopu like to show me where you have proven such a thing??

You leftists are jumping high for those straws.

2. The conservative/Republican/Tea Party controlled legislature passed a law ending same day voter registration and 60% of Maine voters issued a citizens veto.

It's a state issue,,let the citizens of Maine decide what they want,,unless of course you live in California, where the people do not have a voice any longer, and the activists take the issue to a very liberal court, where the court makes a decision against the will of the people of California.

3. Since the vast majority of Maine voters had already rejected even the first part of the ALEC inspired agenda the rest of the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have also rejected the ALEC agenda because the public is getting wise to their tricks.

So be it,,BUT,,you have NOT even proven that ALEC wrote that legislation,,you are basing it on your assumptions.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'll propose the other side of the argument,, you show me, where in fact, that voters were unable to vote because they were ''hindered'' by a law that required a voter I.D...

No first you'll admit by omission that just like I said you cannot provide examples of voter fraud these laws are supposed to protect against.

And then I'll call your stupid bluff.

Walker to close 10 DMV offices after passing voter ID law

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/2...-voter-id-law/

93-Year-Old Tennessee Woman Who Cleaned State Capitol For 30 Years Denied Voter ID

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...nied-voter-id/

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

No it was not me,,it's the screaming moonbats that are using the race card,the screaming moonbats that oppose voter I.D....Comprehension is not your strong suit lately,,is it.

Bullshit Ace here's what you said:

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

How fucking typical,,it's always an issue deflected back to a race issue, it's never discussed as being a legitimate attempt to prevent voter fraud from the left,,,you leftists are so pathetic,,I'm so glad and proud to be a conservative/republican.....

See you're the one who's trying to turn it into a racial issue. Not me and not the supposed moonbats your hallucinating about.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It's not a math issue, it's about securing a vote for you leftists.

Yes which is the same as trying to stop the conservative/Republican/Tea Party with the help of ALEC form passing laws with the real intent of keeping minority, elderly, and college students from voting.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Like I said,,typical leftists deflection,,there's not one humble hint of ALEC being involved in that particular legislation,,not one.....

Oh Bullshit Ace.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/d/d9...CT_Exposed.pdf

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Would yopu like to show me where you have proven such a thing??

Not until after you admit by omission once again that you actually did not deny this fact yourself.

Let's review:

Originally Posted by Stumbler

Ace are you contending that ALEC did not write the "model legislation" for the rash of new voter registration and voter ID laws?

Just tell me if that's what you're saying.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'm not saying that at all,,,I'm saying that it was voted down because of the republicans in office in the State of Maine are more moderate, and it had nothing to do with ALEC writing the legislation.

Can you see it this time?

But in addition to all the other sources I've provided here's a copy of ALEC's actual "model legislation."

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/d/d9...CT_Exposed.pdf

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You leftists are jumping high for those straws.

Leftists aside Ace it looks to me like you're jumping in quicksand.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It's a state issue,,let the citizens of Maine decide what they want,,unless of course you live in California, where the people do not have a voice any longer, and the activists take the issue to a very liberal court, where the court makes a decision against the will of the people of California.

Well its a state issue to a certain extent unless you're one of those states that are already under voter rights restrictions because of past discrimination.

And the people of California actually just got run over by Mitt Romney and the Mormon church before they knew what hit them and actually support gay marriage since. But even if they don't the majority does not have the right to deny the majority their constitutional rights not the ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

What's stupid is to watch the conservative/Republican/Tea Party commit political suicide over gay rights when the majority of Americans already agree they have rights just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

So be it,,BUT,,you have NOT even proven that ALEC wrote that legislation,,you are basing it on your assumptions.

Stop being so chickenshit Ace.

Here once again read the legislation for yourself.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/d/d9...CT_Exposed.pdf

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4794769]

No first you'll admit by omission that just like I said you cannot provide examples of voter fraud these laws are supposed to protect against.

And then I'll call your stupid bluff.

Walker to close 10 DMV offices after passing voter ID law

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/2...-voter-id-law/

Fuck,,shutting down 10 DMV's in the entire state,, you and your fellow leftists must think it's a crisis, I have 4 DMV'S within a 20 minute drive.

With only 20% of the voters not showing an I.D. means nothing to me,,they can go get a state I.D.......

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...nied-voter-id/

One instance,,good job,, they should of allowed her old I.D........

Bullshit Ace here's what you said:



See you're the one who's trying to turn it into a racial issue. Not me and not the supposed moonbats your hallucinating about.

Bullshit,,it was the leftists moonbats claiming it was all about race. Perhaps you did not read your own linked page.

Yes which is the same as trying to stop the conservative/Republican/Tea Party with the help of ALEC form passing laws with the real intent of keeping minority, elderly, and college students from voting.

College students get a state I.D.,as well as the others that the leftists claim to be defending,,some states give them out free..

Oh Bullshit Ace.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/d/d9...CT_Exposed.pdf

Fantastic!!!!!!!!! I hope every state adopts this legislation,,,every one.......

Not until after you admit by omission once again that you actually did not deny this fact yourself.

Let's review:

I did not deny it,,or admit it........as you claim that I did......

Leftists aside Ace it looks to me like you're jumping in quicksand.

Not a chance........

Well its a state issue to a certain extent unless you're one of those states that are already under voter rights restrictions because of past discrimination.

And the people of California actually just got run over by Mitt Romney and the Mormon church before they knew what hit them and actually support gay marriage since. But even if they don't the majority does not have the right to deny the majority their constitutional rights not the ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

What the fuck,,,,,the people voted to ban gay marriage in the State of California, I'd say that is the majority,,,the majority had their right to voice their opinion, in a legal vote,,their rights are abandoned, but their pocket books wont be abandoned,, because they will be paying for the BENEFITS of the married gays..

What's stupid is to watch the conservative/Republican/Tea Party commit political suicide over gay rights when the majority of Americans already agree they have rights just like everyone else.

They have the right to be gay, along with the right to have a CIVIL UNION in some states,but, according to federal law, they do not have the right to be 'married'

Stop being so chickenshit Ace.

Here once again read the legislation for yourself.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/d/d9...CT_Exposed.pdf

I guess you didn't want me to miss this,,fuck,,you linked it 3 different times in this post.....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Fuck,,shutting down 10 DMV's in the entire state,, you and your fellow leftists must think it's a crisis, I have 4 DMV'S within a 20 minute drive.

With only 20% of the voters not showing an I.D. means nothing to me,,they can go get a state I.D.......


[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/26/395287/93-year-old-tennessee-woman-who-cleaned-state-capitol-for-30-years-denied-voter-id/"]One instance,,good job,, they should of allowed her old I.D........

What phony bullshit Ace. I gave you two examples when you can't even give me one example of the kind of voter fraud these laws are supposed to protect against.

And that's because the real intent of the law is to try and keep as many Americans as possible from exercising their most basic right to vote because they know better than to believe the lie of conservatism and tend to vote democratic.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Bullshit,,it was the leftists moonbats claiming it was all about race. Perhaps you did not read your own linked page.

You'll have to show me that Ace because everything I've seen said these laws will disproportionately effect minorities, the elderly, and college students. Those come in all races so this sure is fuck is not just trying to play the race card as you falsely contend.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

College students get a state I.D.,as well as the others that the leftists claim to be defending,,some states give them out free..

No they can't. That's what the big bitch is about. The law would keep students from voting in the states they are going to college in even though what happens in that state directly effects them.

And what about home bound elderly. I got absentee ballots and took them to my aunt and grandma until just before they died even though they couldn't make it past the front yard. Also lots of minorities, live in urban areas and don't have cars nor driver's licenses.

Also since when does it cost an American to cast their vote Ace? Since when is it legal to charge someone a fee for something required for voting?

And how much of a hypocrite does it take to run around screaming government is bad, and we pay too much in taxes, and the government charges too many fees and then turn right around and support more government intervention in our right to vote and making people pay for government issued IDs?

See the glaring and hypocritical contradiction there?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Fantastic!!!!!!!!! I hope every state adopts this legislation,,,every one.......

Just so you finally admit most these voter repression laws are ALEC inspired.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I did not deny it,,or admit it........as you claim that I did......

You've actually admitted it twice now.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Not a chance........



What the fuck,,,,,the people voted to ban gay marriage in the State of California, I'd say that is the majority,,,the majority had their right to voice their opinion, in a legal vote,,their rights are abandoned, but their pocket books wont be abandoned,, because they will be paying for the BENEFITS of the married gays..

Ace States also used to vote for slavery, and segregation, and against people of different races marrying. Not even everyone in a state has the legal right or authority to deny even one person their constitutional rights.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

They have the right to be gay, along with the right to have a CIVIL UNION in some states,but, according to federal law, they do not have the right to be 'married'

So what your saying is people have a right to be homosexual but they do not have a right to be equal under the law.

See there's another of your direct contradictions which shows how irrational and illogical your argument is.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I guess you didn't want me to miss this,,fuck,,you linked it 3 different times in this post.....

Its the only way I can get past your constant state of denial.

[stumbler]

This more than disgusting. This is another huge leap into a police state for profit.

Private prison company offers to buy 48 states’ prisons

In exchange for keeping at least a 90 percent occupancy rate, the private prison company Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) has sent a letter to 48 states offering to manage their prisons for the low price of $250 million per year, according to a letter obtained by the Huffington Post.



The company says it’s a way for states to help manage their current budget crisis. “We believe this comes at a timely and helpful juncture and hope you will share our belief in the benefits of the purchase-and-manage model,” CCA chief corrections officer Harley Lappin said in the letter.


But reports indicate that private prisons do not actually save states money, since the average inmate costing more than in public prisons.


Worse yet, for-profit prisons have been accused of heightened levels of violence toward prisoners and have limited incentives to reduce future crimes by current inmates, through education and training programs, counseling or drug and alcohol rehabilitation, according to a report from the American Civil Liberties Union.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/1...tates-prisons/


Here's the background on just how private for profit prisons became one of our growth industries.

Although a wide variety of goods have long been produced by state and federal prisoners for the US government—license plates are the classic example, with more recent contracts including everything from guided missile parts to the solar panels powering government buildings—prison labor for the private sector was legally barred for years, to avoid unfair competition with private companies. But this has changed thanks to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), its Prison Industries Act, and a little-known federal program known as PIE (the Prison Industries Enhancement Certification Program). While much has been written about prison labor in the past several years, these forces, which have driven its expansion, remain largely unknown.


Somewhat more familiar is ALEC’s instrumental role in the explosion of the US prison population in the past few decades. ALEC helped pioneer some of the toughest sentencing laws on the books today, like mandatory minimums for non-violent drug offenders, “three strikes” laws, and “truth in sentencing” laws. In 1995 alone, ALEC’s Truth in Sentencing Act was signed into law in twenty-five states.



(Then State Rep. Scott Walker was an ALEC member when he sponsored Wisconsin's truth-in-sentencing laws and, according to PR Watch, used its statistics to make the case for the law.) More recently, ALEC has proposed innovative “solutions” to the overcrowding it helped create, such as privatizing the parole process through “the proven success of the private bail bond industry,” as it recommended in 2007. (The American Bail Coalition is an executive member of ALEC’s Public Safety and Elections Task Force.)


ALEC has also worked to pass state laws to create private for-profit prisons, a boon to two of its major corporate sponsors: Corrections Corporation of America and Geo Group (formerly Wackenhut Corrections), the largest private prison firms in the country. An In These Times investigation last summer revealed that ALEC arranged secret meetings between Arizona’s state legislators and CCA to draft what became SB 1070, Arizona’s notorious immigration law, to keep CCA prisons flush with immigrant detainees. ALEC has proven expertly capable of devising endless ways to help private corporations benefit from the country’s massive prison population.

http://www.thenation.com/article/162...d-prison-labor

[stumbler]

This is such happy news to me at least I'll Probably have to put up in a couple places.

Occupy Rallies Against Powerful Right-Wing Group You've Never Heard Of

Today, occupiers in 80 American cities will hold the movement's largest coordinated demonstration since fall: a huge protest against the American Legislative Exchange Council.

Never heard of it? That's the point.


"It's an extremely secretive organization," says David Osborn, an organizer with Occupy Portland's Portland Action Lab, which is spearheading the national protest (known on Twitter as #F29 and #ShutDownTheCorporations). "Our goal is to expose the destructive role that it plays in our society."


Founded in 1973 as a "nonpartisan membership organization for conservative state lawmakers," ALEC brings together elected officials and corporations like WalMart, Bank of America, and McDonald's to draft model legislation that often promotes a right-wing agenda. It claims to be behind 10 percent of bills introduced in state legislatures.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/...et-protest-f29

[stumbler]

Occupy protesters turned out by the dozen today at corporate offices in New Brunswick to protest Johnson & Johnson's support of ALEC.

Yeah, yeah I know I haven't missed one by this much since the Mike Lofgren incident.

Such is wishful thinking.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

This is such happy news to me at least I'll Probably have to put up in a couple places.

Occupy Rallies Against Powerful Right-Wing Group You've Never Heard Of




http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/...et-protest-f29

For more than 35 years, ALEC has been the ideal means of creating and delivering public policy ideas aimed at protecting and expanding our free society. Why are you leftists so against that??