People that dont like FOX news

[swingerj]

Originally Posted by stumbler

All we're talking about here is a simple little" Buffet Rule." Which is people as rich as him should at least being paying as much taxes as his secretary does.

If this is the case then why are the democrats not pursuing a flat tax rate and removing all deductions? Then EVERYONE could pay the same tax rate and all loopholes would vanish. The most likely answer is to continue making those that have worked hard to succeed look like the enemy to those that have not had the same drive or luck in their lives. (It really takes both honestly)

I for one would be happy to pay more in taxes as long as my rate is the same as those making more or less than me and that the government also makes sacrifices and reduces spending by quite a bit.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by swingerj

If this is the case then why are the democrats not pursuing a flat tax rate and removing all deductions? Then EVERYONE could pay the same tax rate and all loopholes would vanish. The most likely answer is to continue making those that have worked hard to succeed look like the enemy to those that have not had the same drive or luck in their lives. (It really takes both honestly)

I for one would be happy to pay more in taxes as long as my rate is the same as those making more or less than me and that the government also makes sacrifices and reduces spending by quite a bit.

Because the progressive tax has always served this country well. Or at least until President Bush cut taxes, started two wars, kept the cost of them off the federal budget, and doubled the national debt by adding $5 Trillion to it and leaving President Obama with a $1.3 trillion budget deficit.

And also because while most our wages have stayed stagnant the wages for the top 5% have increased about 400%.

Also like Elizabeth Warren said:

Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own"

In the video (at left), which was filmed at an event in Andover, Mass., Warren rebuts the GOP-touted notion that raising taxes on the wealthy amounts to "class warfare," contending that "there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody."


Warren rejects the concept that it is possible for Americans to become wealthy in isolation.



"You built a factory out there? Good for you," she says. "But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."


She continues: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...42-503544.html

[ace's n 8's]

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Because the progressive tax has always served this country well.

Not today,,it is NOT serving our country well enough.

Or at least until President Bush cut taxes, started two wars, kept the cost of them off the federal budget, and doubled the national debt by adding $5 Trillion to it and leaving President Obama with a $1.3 trillion budget deficit.

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.........

Also like Elizabeth Warren said:

Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own"



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...42-503544.html

She's right, it took the free market, capitalism, risk taking, personal responsibility along with individualism for those to get wealthy. The over bearing government regulations that promote socialism should not be a reason to give up your wealth as the federal government see's fit.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.........

That comment is more intelligent than 73 percent of your comments.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Because the progressive tax has always served this country well.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Not today,,it is NOT serving our country well enough.

That is because it is not progressive enough. When it fluctuated between 94 to 70 percent the national debt was paid down. It was only when Reagan cut taxes for the rich that the national debt started rising.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

That is because it is not progressive enough. When it fluctuated between 94 to 70 percent the national debt was paid down. It was only when Reagan cut taxes for the rich that the national debt started rising.

Do you pay federal income taxes?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Do you pay federal income taxes?

DL,,,DL,,, answer please?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Not today,,it is NOT serving our country well enough.

Only because Bush cut taxes when we could not afford it and we actually started borrowing money to pay for those tax cuts ten years ago.

That right there is proof positive of the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced in this nation.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.........

You know its true. But its Ok if a conservative doubles the national debt by adding $5 Trillion to it.

Its only something to be hysterical about when a Democrat is president.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

She's right, it took the free market, capitalism, risk taking, personal responsibility along with individualism for those to get wealthy.

Plus the Constitution of the United States of America and the federal government that enforces it. Without those, as history has proven, we would have no commerce because of greed and corruption.

But Warren's other points are also true. No one got wealthy just by the things you mention alone Ace. Our government helped them every step of the way.

However, just like deficits and national debts, its only welfare to poor people you object to. But never object to corporate welfare. Or millionaires paying lower taxes than the people who work for them.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

The over bearing government regulations

Show me some of them Ace. Because I like having safe food and water and medicines. I'm real fond of clean air. So which regulations are you talking about.

But lets not forget the last time the conservative/Repubican/Tea Baggers were in power the regulations they eliminated allowed the bankers, insurers, and stock brokers rip the world economy off for $18 Trillion and caused the US Great Recession.

And now you think we can afford to cut some more?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

that promote socialism

Give me some examples of those too will you Ace? I'd really like to see some examples of socialism promoting regulations.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

should not be a reason to give up your wealth as the federal government see's fit.

Nobody, least of which President Obama, is asking anyone to give up their wealth. He's asking that everyone pay their fair share which the top 5% have been ducking out on for more than 10 years.

That seems fair to me. But not to someone who gets brainwashed by Fox News which is actively spreading the false claim (in fact debunked right here on our own little forum) that the rich are paying their fair share.

[swingerj]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

That is because it is not progressive enough. When it fluctuated between 94 to 70 percent the national debt was paid down. It was only when Reagan cut taxes for the rich that the national debt started rising.

So by this logic, tax rates going down is the sole cause of the national debt raising? Oh come on! Tax receivables were higher durning the Bush administration than in most of Clinton's. Business spending was way up from where it is now. also there can't be a dept without spending more than you take in. The overspending during bush and multiplied under Obama is insane. Cut spending first, show you can responsibly spend money and then you can look at raising taxes.

Secondly, you honestly think it is far for the government to take 94% of a person's income!?!?!?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Only because Bush cut taxes when we could not afford it and we actually started borrowing money to pay for those tax cuts ten years ago.

That right there is proof positive of the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced in this nation.



You know its true. But its Ok if a conservative doubles the national debt by adding $5 Trillion to it.

Its only something to be hysterical about when a Democrat is president.



Plus the Constitution of the United States of America and the federal government that enforces it. Without those, as history has proven, we would have no commerce because of greed and corruption.

But Warren's other points are also true. No one got wealthy just by the things you mention alone Ace. Our government helped them every step of the way.

However, just like deficits and national debts, its only welfare to poor people you object to. But never object to corporate welfare. Or millionaires paying lower taxes than the people who work for them.



Show me some of them Ace. Because I like having safe food and water and medicines. I'm real fond of clean air. So which regulations are you talking about.

But lets not forget the last time the conservative/Repubican/Tea Baggers were in power the regulations they eliminated allowed the bankers, insurers, and stock brokers rip the world economy off for $18 Trillion and caused the US Great Recession.

And now you think we can afford to cut some more?



Give me some examples of those too will you Ace? I'd really like to see some examples of socialism promoting regulations.



Nobody, least of which President Obama, is asking anyone to give up their wealth. He's asking that everyone pay their fair share which the top 5% have been ducking out on for more than 10 years.

That seems fair to me. But not to someone who gets brainwashed by Fox News which is actively spreading the false claim (in fact debunked right here on our own little forum) that the rich are paying their fair share.

Sorry man, the only thing that you have done here, is supply me with the leftists empty rhetoric..This is all the leftists talking points and leftists lies that are told on the campaign trail.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Sorry man, the only thing that you have done here, is supply me with the leftists empty rhetoric..This is all the leftists talking points and leftists lies that are told on the campaign trail.

I gonna have to call a bullshit and your bluff on that one Ace.

If those are lies then you should have no trouble what so ever posting them and proving them to be just that.

But since you can't we both know you're only bullshitting about that.

[stumbler]

This was so fucking hilarious I had to search this thread to post it.

But just to show you what a joke Fox News is the editors of Guns and Patriots came up with a completely bogus claim that the government had backed another loan for SunPower and tried to compare it to Solyndra.

But when an editor for Guns & Patriots magazine (yes, you read that correctly) strung together a completely bogus “scandal” about SunPower using disparate pieces of information, the network was all over it — allowing this “bigger than Solyndra” story about a $1.2 billion loan guarantee to take over the prime time airwaves.


Here’s the catch: None of this punditry is based on reality. SunPower isn’t even getting the loan guarantee. Although it was offered a conditional commitment originally, it is simply constructing a 250-MW project using its high-efficiency modules — and it has already sold the project to the massive energy company NRG while establishing an agreement to purchase the power. But that didn’t stop the hopelessly misinformed pundits and “business reporters” at Fox News to jump on the story.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...ndal-fox-news/


I'll tell ya the Fox Misinformed supporters really crack me up to defend brainwashing amateurs like Fox because it tells them what they want to hear.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

This was so fucking hilarious I had to search this thread to post it.

But just to show you what a joke Fox News is the editors of Guns and Patriots came up with a completely bogus claim that the government had backed another loan for SunPower and tried to compare it to Solyndra.




http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...ndal-fox-news/


I'll tell ya the Fox Misinformed supporters really crack me up to defend brainwashing amateurs like Fox because it tells them what they want to hear.

Your libtard blogs are anything but a reliable unbiased source of information.

Do you ever post ANYTHING credible?

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

This was so fucking hilarious I had to search this thread to post it.

But just to show you what a joke Fox News is the editors of Guns and Patriots came up with a completely bogus claim that the government had backed another loan for SunPower and tried to compare it to Solyndra.




http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...ndal-fox-news/


I'll tell ya the Fox Misinformed supporters really crack me up to defend brainwashing amateurs like Fox because it tells them what they want to hear.

ty.

SunPower: Twice As Bad As Solyndra, Twice As Bad For Obama


Congressman's son lobbied for failing solar panel company



How did a failing California solar company, buffeted by short sellers and shareholder lawsuits, receive a $1.2 billion federal loan guarantee for a photovoltaic electricity ranch project—three weeks after it announced it was building new manufacturing plant in Mexicali, Mexico, to build the panels for the project.
The company, SunPower (SPWR-NASDAQ), now carries $820 million in debt, an amount $20 million greater than its market capitalization. If SunPower was a bank, the feds would shut it down. Instead, it received a lifeline twice the size of the money sent down the Solyndra drain.
Two men with insight into the process are SunPower rooter Rep. George R. Miller III, (D.-Calif.), the senior Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee and the co-chairman of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee, and his SunPower lobbyist son, George Miller IV.

According to the SunPower PAC filings for its activities in the 2010 midterm election campaign cycle, it donated more than $36,000. Of the $15,650 donated to House and Senate candidates, $14,650 went to Democrats, with these top recipients: $4,000 to Sen. Harry Reid (D.-Nev.), $3,000 to Rep. Gabrielle Gifford (D.-Ariz.) and $2,900 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D.-Calif.). The congressman was not forgotten either. The SunPower PAC remembered him with $500 for his 2010 campaign. While SunPower was a financial partner in the congressman’s reelection campaign, it straight-out hired his son.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46761

Quite a story,,you might want to read it,, rather than that other shit for brains media sources that you tend to advocate and use.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

ty.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46761

Quite a story,,you might want to read it,, rather than that other shit for brains media sources that you tend to advocate and use.

Ace you poor gullible fool. All you did is re-post the same false story that Fox News ran with.

There is no federal loan to SunPower. Its hoax. Its all made up. And Fox News, you and your blogger have all fallen for a bullshit tale. How embarrassing is that?

[stumbler]

And here's a little clip of President Obama dismissing Fox Correspondent Ed Henry during a press conference yesterday even after giving him the opportunity to ask the first question while President Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak during a visit to a GM plant.

I happened to catch it live and could not help but laugh out loud.

Here's Henry's question:

"what specific steps will you take to hold Iran accountable? Especially when Mitt Romney charged last week, quote, 'If you do not want America to be the strongest nation on Earth, I am not your President. You have that president today.'"

And here's president Obama's response:

"Well I did not know you were the spokesman for Romney," and smiled down at Henry.

And the press corp laughed.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato...news-stripes-u

For me it was just another one of those laughable Fox moments when they are so blatantly campaigning for Mitt Romney only willing fools could overlook it.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Ace you poor gullible fool. All you did is re-post the same false story that Fox News ran with.

There is no federal loan to SunPower. Its hoax. Its all made up. And Fox News, you and your blogger have all fallen for a bullshit tale. How embarrassing is that?

It seems to me that the monies are already allocated to this 'green jobs' platform the the left is so envious of.

Energy Department Offers $1.187 Billion Conditional Commitment for Loan Guarantee Supporting the 250-Megawatt California Valley Solar Ranch

Solar Ranch Expected to Inject $315 Million of Economic Benefit to San Luis Obispo County



"The offer of a conditional commitment for a loan guarantee from the DOE's Loan Programs Office is a significant milestone for this project, which will make a substantial contribution to California's effort to generate 33 percent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2020," said Tom Doyle, president of NRG Solar. "In addition to creating hundreds of jobs and displacing carbon dioxide emissions, the California Valley Solar Ranch will demonstrate photovoltaic technology at a large scale."
"With this loan guarantee, San Luis Obispo County is one step closer to benefiting from more than $315 million of economic development from the California Valley Solar Ranch, while protecting thousands of acres of local habitat," said Howard Wenger, president of the utility and power plants business group at SunPower. "The Department of Energy is driving innovative technology deployment to reduce the cost of central station solar power plants. Together with NRG, this is a transformative investment that the federal government can uniquely deliver to nurture innovation, create immediate jobs and stimulate the economy."



http://us.sunpowercorp.com/about/new...s/?relID=31725

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

ty.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46761

Quite a story,,you might want to read it,, rather than that other shit for brains media sources that you tend to advocate and use.

Just to make sure that no one else falls for the bullshit story about SunPower and the loan that does not exist here's a story in great detail about what's really going on and all the idiotic things Fox News Reported without even checking their sources.

http://www.grist.org/solar-power/201...-solar-scandal

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It seems to me that the monies are already allocated to this 'green jobs' platform the the left is so envious of.

Why do you say "left" Ace? It was the conservative/Republicans who controlled both houses of congress and the Presidency in 2005 when the Title XVII of the 2005 Energy Policy Act established these DOE Loans.

https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=368

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And here's a little clip of President Obama dismissing Fox Correspondent Ed Henry during a press conference yesterday even after giving him the opportunity to ask the first question while President Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak during a visit to a GM plant.

I happened to catch it live and could not help but laugh out loud.

Here's Henry's question:

"what specific steps will you take to hold Iran accountable? Especially when Mitt Romney charged last week, quote, 'If you do not want America to be the strongest nation on Earth, I am not your President. You have that president today.'"

And here's president Obama's response:

"Well I did not know you were the spokesman for Romney," and smiled down at Henry.

And the press corp laughed.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato...news-stripes-u

For me it was just another one of those laughable Fox moments when they are so blatantly campaigning for Mitt Romney only willing fools could overlook it.

YEAH,,, the President of the United States showing the upmost admirable respect for the people that live in this nation.. What a show of fucking disgrace, displayed by the president, and you wonder why I dont respect him..

It was all good when Eddie worked for CNN..

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4496342]

Why do you say "left" Ace? It was the conservative/Republicans who controlled both houses of congress and the Presidency in 2005 when the Title XVII of the 2005 Energy Policy Act established these DOE Loans.

https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=368

Yeah, something else that Bush did that I will disagree with..More government intervention.

Let the private sector fund these technologies,,like the big oil companies,, they can surely afford to fund these new technologies, and profit from it.

The tax payers do not profit from these government subsidies.

So with that, here we have the reason why I say the leftists.

Two men with insight into the process are SunPower rooter Rep. George R. Miller III, (D.-Calif.), the senior Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee and the co-chairman of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee, and his SunPower lobbyist son, George Miller IV.

Miller the Elder is a strong advocate for SunPower, which converted an old Richmond, Calif., Ford plant in his district to a panel-manufacturing facility.

The congressman hosted an Oct. 14, 2010, tour of the plant with company CEO Thomas H. Werner and Interior Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar to promote the company’s fortunes.

“The path to a clean energy economy starts here, in places like SunPower’s research and development facility,” said Salazar during the tour.

“The work that comes from these facilities transforms renewable energy ideas into a reality. When renewable energy companies continue to invest in places like California, the realization of a new energy future is within our reach,” he said.

[stumbler]

First lets review just how far we are off topic here and how we got there. The actual topic is Fox News and one of the latest examples of Fox News misinforming their viewers. And especially grievous in this case since Fox Reported a false scandal about a loan that does not exist and another supposed failing company. None of that is true.

But now since Ace managed to find the actual fabricated article and posted it. The one Fox News reported as facts we are far afield.

Anyway, here we go.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

YEAH,,, the President of the United States showing the upmost admirable respect for the people that live in this nation.. What a show of fucking disgrace, displayed by the president, and you wonder why I dont respect him..

You're trying to say President Obama pointing out that Ed Henry who is supposed to be a "fair and balanced" reporter was actually acting like Mitt Romney's Campaign spokesman is more disrespectful than Henry actually being a spokesperson for Romney during a national press conference with a visiting head of state?

I'd say you'd have to be a brainwashed fool to believe that.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

It was all good when Eddie worked for CNN..

Eddie was not under the directions from managers to promote conservative propaganda when he worked at CNN and he is under Fox as the news director admitted.

But even so that one was just such obvious puff to support Romney it was literally laughable.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Yeah, something else that Bush did that I will disagree with..More government intervention.

And are you still referring to the non-existent loan that Fox falsely reported SunPower received?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Let the private sector fund these technologies,,like the big oil companies,, they can surely afford to fund these new technologies, and profit from it.

Let's see new technologies don't need any government assistance. The oil companies can do that. But the oil companies do need government assistance in the form of tax subsidies which they still get.

I think that's a ridiculous way to look at things Ace.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

The tax payers do not profit from these government subsidies.

The oil companies sure do. They've been getting US Tax subsidies for decades and the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress protect them every time.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

So with that, here we have the reason why I say the leftists.

Yeah well I don't think you can call a Senate with a majority of Republicans, a House of Representatives with a majority of Republicans, and a Republican President can be considered leftist.

They can however be considered hypocrites in the extreme I believe.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4496499]

You're trying to say President Obama pointing out that Ed Henry who is supposed to be a "fair and balanced" reporter was actually acting like Mitt Romney's Campaign spokesman is more disrespectful than Henry actually being a spokesperson for Romney during a national press conference with a visiting head of state?

Henry ''QUOTED'' what Romney stated, that is far from being a ''SPOKESMAN''.

I'd say you'd have to be a brainwashed fool to believe that.

You that defend Obama and his immature response to Henry's question are the brainwashed..I noticed that Obama never actually answered the question, he only dodged it, as usual.

Eddie was not under the directions from managers to promote conservative propaganda when he worked at CNN and he is under Fox as the news director admitted.

I wonder what the repercussions would be like, if CNN asked that question?

And are you still referring to the non-existent loan that Fox falsely reported SunPower received?

Title XVII of the 2005 Energy Policy Act is what I'm talking about.

Let's see new technologies don't need any government assistance. The oil companies can do that. But the oil companies do need government assistance in the form of tax subsidies which they still get.

I'd say that tax breaks are not government loans, and new technologies can be funded by the private sector,, when the tax code gets reformed. No capital gains taxes.

The oil companies sure do. They've been getting US Tax subsidies for decades and the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress protect them every time.

Tax subsidies for the oil companies are to fund R&D.
What are the government backed subsidies for ethanol used for?

Yeah well I don't think you can call a Senate with a majority of Republicans, a House of Representatives with a majority of Republicans, and a Republican President can be considered leftist.

I can certainly call these 2 jokers leftists, I made it bigger this time so you can see it.

Two men with insight into the process are SunPower rooter Rep. George R. Miller III, (D.-Calif.), the senior Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee and the co-chairman of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee, and his SunPower lobbyist son, George Miller IV.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Henry ''QUOTED'' what Romney stated, that is far from being a ''SPOKESMAN''.

Right. In a national press conference with the Korean President at a GM Plant in Michigan, with the new Trade agreement with South Korea just passed by congress any fool can see the most important question is what Mitt Romney said in a campaign speech.

Fuck you've got to just pretending to be that much of an idiot to believe that Ace but don't expect me to role play that bullshit with you.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You that defend Obama and his immature response to Henry's question are the brainwashed..I noticed that Obama never actually answered the question, he only dodged it, as usual.

No I said quite clearly I laughed right along with the rest of the Washington press corp and the audience and especially at the stunned look on Henry's face when he himself realized how ridiculous the question was.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I wonder what the repercussions would be like, if CNN asked that question?

I'm sure it would have been the same response from President Obama no matter who said it.

But the point is it was not CNN. It was once again Fox News and their cheer-leading for conservative causes and the for gone Republican Mitt Romney.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Title XVII of the 2005 Energy Policy Act is what I'm talking about.

Which was a conservative/Republican controlled congress not leftists.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'd say that tax breaks are not government loans, and new technologies can be funded by the private sector,, when the tax code gets reformed. No capital gains taxes.

If you ever watched anything except Fox News you might know that what the oil companies receive their billions in tax subsidies is for new technologies Ace. But that's how misinformed you really are.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Tax subsidies for the oil companies are to fund R&D.
What are the government backed subsidies for ethanol used for?

And R and D is for new technologies tenguy, ......... I mean Ace.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I can certainly call these 2 jokers leftists, I made it bigger this time so you can see it.

And I'm glad you did that because that's one big red lie Ace you poor misinformed and ever gullible fool.

The final bit of "scandal" comes from a connection between SunPower and the son of California Rep. George Miller (D). As McCabe writes, Miller supported the development of a SunPower manufacturing facility in his district in 2010:

The congressman was not forgotten either. The SunPower PAC remembered him with $500 for his 2010 campaign. While SunPower was a financial partner in the congressman's reelection campaign, it straight-out hired his son.
Miller the Younger is not registered to lobby in Washington, but he is a member of its bar. He is not a member of the California bar, home of his lobbying firm, Lang, Hansen, O'Malley and Miller (LHOM), of which he is a founding partner.

Yes, $500 to his campaign. That's what constitutes being a "financial partner."
Moreover, as Media Matters reports:

In Fact, Rep. Miller's Son Does Not Lobby For SunPower
Firm Did Not Lobby For SunPower At The Federal Level. SunPower stated that it "utilizes the services of Lang, Hansen, O'Malley and Miller" -- the firm that George Miller IV works for -- "in California on a wide range of state-level issues. The company does not retain this firm for any activity at the federal level." [E-mail correspondence, 10/12/11]
Rep. Miller's Son Did Not Handle SunPower's Account. George Miller IV stated that he did not work on SunPower's account. [Phone conversation, 10/12/11]

The big questions are whether the solar industry will push back hard on the disinformation and whether the rest of the media will fall for another fake scandal.

http://www.grist.org/solar-power/201...-solar-scandal

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;4496715]

Right. In a national press conference with the Korean President at a GM Plant in Michigan, with the new Trade agreement with South Korea just passed by congress any fool can see the most important question is what Mitt Romney said in a campaign speech.

I'm not defending the question that Henry asked, I am however defending Henry's right to ask that question in any manner that he wished.

Henry just wanted to know how Obama and his crony administration was going to handle the issue,, and no answer was given.

No I said quite clearly I laughed right along with the rest of the Washington press corp and the audience and especially at the stunned look on Henry's face when he himself realized how ridiculous the question was.

Of course you did.. I said,,HELL YEA..

I'm sure it would have been the same response from President Obama no matter who said it.

OH,,I'm quite sure.

But the point is it was not CNN. It was once again Fox News and their cheer-leading for conservative causes and the for gone Republican Mitt Romney.

Conservatives are supporting Romney, the moderates, the media and the establishment republicans are in support of Romney and his rhino-type policies.

Which was a conservative/Republican controlled congress not leftists.

You're right,,I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the 'now' not the past,,I know how you leftists always want to place blame on Bush.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment act of 2009, funded this, Bush did not fund it.

If you ever watched anything except Fox News you might know that what the oil companies receive their billions in tax subsidies is for new technologies Ace. But that's how misinformed you really are.

I know they receive ''TAX SUBSIDIES'', they rarely receive loans, especially loans funded by the ARRA of 2009.

And R and D is for new technologies tenguy, ......... I mean Ace.

Smartass.

And I'm glad you did that because that's one big red lie Ace you poor misinformed and ever gullible fool.


http://www.grist.org/solar-power/201...-solar-scandal

Why, would you of anyone else on this forum think for one fucking minute, that I would believe a fucking word uttered by the Soros funded 'MEDIA MATTERS'. The money is allocated for green energy, and it is allocated for SUNPOWER.

Whether or not,if they have it yet, it is for that company.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I'm not defending the question that Henry asked, I am however defending Henry's right to ask that question in any manner that he wished.

You know that doesn't even make sense don't you?

The question was nothing more than an obvious attempt to promote the Mitt Romney campaign and President Obama calling him on that.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Henry just wanted to know how Obama and his crony administration was going to handle the issue,, and no answer was given.

Bullshit. Henry was doing what Fox has been doing nearly every hour of every day trying to brainwash and manipulate Americans into supporting Mitt Romney.

Except Henry was like Helen Thomas. Lost in his own phony bullshit when President Obama illustrated what a joke he was being. And it was a good one Ace. I have not seen a better response and let's say placement in years.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Of course you did.. I said,,HELL YEA..

Again, it was a really good live moment TV laugh. Something unpredictable and off the cuff with President Obama thinking and responding on his feet and Henry I think suddenly realizing just how far out of any normal bonds he was.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

OH,,I'm quite sure.
Conservatives are supporting Romney, the moderates, the media and the establishment republicans are in support of Romney and his rhino-type policies.

But not you Ace, huh? No sir you're going to write in Herman Cain aren't you? Something I was wondering about is if you can't come up with a candidate you "conservatives" can agree on what fucking chance do you have of winning a presidential election?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You're right,,I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the 'now' not the past,,I know how you leftists always want to place blame on Bush.

You know Ace I think its more of a case of you brainwashed parrots not even being willing to look at the facts, let alone debate the facts. Because you lose every time because its all based on a bunch of lies and emotional responses.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

The American Recovery and Reinvestment act of 2009, funded this, Bush did not fund it.

No it was part of the unfunded $1.4 Trillion budget deficit President Bush handed to President Obama as he walked out with the economy crashing and the Great Recession threatening to turn into another great Depression.

Again Ace why can't you ever look at the facts instead of just wondering around in these endless circles all the time?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I know they receive ''TAX SUBSIDIES'', they rarely receive loans, especially loans funded by the ARRA of 2009.

What's that got to do with your illogical and irrational statements that the government shouldn't fund this kind of R&D Subsidy it should be funded by the private sector oil com[anies who already receive subsidies for R&D while they rake in the largest profits in the history of business?

Sure wondering off the reservation let alone the topic aren't you?

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Smartass.

All just part of the therapy.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Why, would you of anyone else on this forum think for one fucking minute, that I would believe a fucking word uttered by the Soros funded 'MEDIA MATTERS'. The money is allocated for green energy, and it is allocated for SUNPOWER.

Yet you'd believe Fox News all day don't you Ace?

And it does not change the fact that you, a really bad editor, and Fox News are all still trying to promote a story that is absolutely false on multiple levels. A hoax you're trying to make real/.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Whether or not,if they have it yet, it is for that company.

You're not even making sense.

[stumbler]

Once again I can only laugh and shake my head at anyone who can still take Fox News seriously on any level what's so ever. In fact I believe Fox is descending ever deeper into amateurish levels of ridiculousness.

And what I base that on is things like claiming Liz Cheney is some kind of International expert with the subtitle Former State Department employee to give her some kind of pretended credibility.

That was on Chis Wallace just a few minutes ago and I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the utter propaganda and can't believe any thinking person would not do the same.

[Anonymous Master]

Originally Posted by Norty Dog

And you are stupid, so where does that leave us?

Who are you to judge that? You wrongly attacked him on his grammar when he typed all that using his phone. Yes it can be hard to type on phones sometimes. Typo's are common when it comes to hand helds.

[stumbler]

Once again I'm sitting here watching Fox News and am amazed that anyone who actually knows what news and unbiased reporting is can actually watch this propaganda for more than a few minutes at a time.

I just watched about 10 minutes of Fox's Gretta something and one of their evening anchors running anti Obama propaganda about Democrats along his American Jobs Act route not wanting to have anything to do with him.

Not a word about what is in the American Jobs Act. Not so much as a hint that about two/thirds of Americans support all the elements of the American Jobs Act. Not even a report of where the President of the United States of America would be speaking.

It was almost as hilarious as watching them conduct Mitt Romney's presidential campaign for him.

[stumbler]

After watching the absolutely glaring and unprecedented promotion of the Tea Party on Fox News (which essentially invented the Tea Party in the first place) I see this laughable lie told often of Fox even though they always end getting it rammed right back down their throats.

Loesch Overlooks Fox's Relentless Promotion To Claim Media Did Not Aid Tea Party

Following a post by Slate's Dave Weigel in which Weigel pointed out that CNN contributor Dana Loesch's criticism of liberal journalists' coverage of the Occupy Wall Street protests is hypocritical given her coverage of the tea parties, Loesch complained that the media has "been mostly hostile to the [tea party] movement." Loesch went on to claim, "The media did not 'aid' the tea party; the tea party grew in spite of it."

But Loesch is ignoring the fact that the tea party had a dedicated cable news network in Fox News devoted to aggressively promoting and providing uniformly positive coverage of the events and protests. Fox even branded 2009 tea party protests as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties":


In fact, the Tea Party Express highlighted Fox's positive coverage numerous times, even using Fox's friendly coverage to raise money and later admitting that "there would not have been a tea party without Fox."


And not only did the Tea Party Express praise Fox's tea party coverage, but it also cited the "great television news coverage" from CNN -- now Loesch's cable news home -- as well.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110180008


PS Fox is now pushing the idea that Herman Cain, while leading in the polls, is actually more on a book promotion tour than really campaigning for President.

[Alanna]

and you answered it,...................

[stumbler]

OH HOLY SHIT THIS IS GREAT. WHAT A DAY. WHAT A DAY

Glenn Beck-Approved Goldline Charged With 19 Criminal Counts Of Fraud And Theft

Goldline International, the precious metal retailer that has capitalized on conservatives’ anxiety about the economy by forging synergistic relationships with right wing TV and radio hosts, is facing a new series of legal challenges after authorities filed criminal charges against the company and its executives yesterday. Several major conservative talkers — including two former GOP presidential candidates — have endorsed and recommended Goldine, which critics have long contended is little more than a scam.

After more than a year of investigating, the city attorney in Santa Monica, California, where the company is based, has filed 19 criminal charges of fraud and theft against the company, in addition to charges against top executives and salesmen, ABC News reports:

The complaint alleges that Goldline “runs a bait and switch operation in which customers, seeking to invest in gold bullion, are switched to highly overpriced coins by using false and misleading claims,” according to a statement released by the consumer affairs division of the Santa Monica City Attorney’s office.


The company has been charged in the court filing with misdemeanors that include theft by false pretenses, false advertising, and conspiracy, the City Attorney’s office said. In addition to the charges against the company, the complaint accuses former CEO Mark Albarian, executives Robert Fazio and Luis Beeli, and salespeople Charles Boratgis and Stephanie Howard of defrauding customers. Current CEO Scott Carter is accused of making false or misleading statements.

Each of the charges carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail and maximum fines of between $1,000 and $10,000 per offense.



While former Fox News conspiracy-theorist Glenn Beck is most closely associated with Goldline, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Mark Levin, former GOP presidential candidates Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson, and several Fox News hosts, among others, have all endorsed the company.



Indeed, conservative talk radio is central to the company’s success, as Goldline employs a business model based not on mere advertising, but full integration with the content of conservative talk show hosts’ messages. The company’s website prominently features these endorsers, suggesting the talkers’ backing gives Goldline “credibility.” The company has said it will vigorously contest the charges.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ational-fraud/

[stumbler]

Some News Leaves People Knowing Less

According to the latest results from Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind Poll, some news sources make us less likely to know what’s going on in the world. In the most recent study, the poll asked New Jerseyans about current events at home and abroad, and from what sources – if any – they get their information.

The conclusion:

Sunday morning news shows do the most to help people learn about current events, while some outlets, especially Fox News, lead people to be even less informed than those who they don’t watch any news at all.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Some News Leaves People Knowing Less

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

Your libtard links just show how over the top stupid you really are.

Do you ever post anything credible or worth reading?

[stumbler]

Fox News Business: The Muppets Are ‘Brainwashing’ Young People To Hate The Oil Industry

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/...-oil-industry/

[stumbler]

Fox Graphics Department's Failure Hat Trick (Obamney Edition)

December 14, 2011 1:42 pm ET by Terry Krepel
The Fox News graphics department is having a very bad week.


On Monday, it displayed a chart showing unemployment during the Obama administration that portrayed the 8.6 percent rate in November higher than the 8.8 percent rate in March.



On Tuesday, in a pair of graphics, Fox News misidentified Utah as Nevada and Vermont as New Hampshire.


Now, on today's edition of America Live, a graphic showing poll results for Republican presidential candidates included a picture of President Obama over Mitt Romney's name:

Here's the video clip:



There's a couple seconds of dead air and blank screen, but it's unclear whether Fox News recognized the error and quickly pulled down the graphic or if it was a transmission problem due to Megyn Kelly hosting the show from Sioux City, Iowa, where she will take part in tomorrow night's Fox News Republican presidential debate.



UPDATE: Later in the show, Kelly apologized for the error and displayed a graphic correctly displaying a picture of Romney.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201112140015

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Fox Graphics Department's Failure Hat Trick (Obamney Edition)

December 14, 2011 1:42 pm ET by Terry Krepel
The Fox News graphics department is having a very bad week.


On Monday, it displayed a chart showing unemployment during the Obama administration that portrayed the 8.6 percent rate in November higher than the 8.8 percent rate in March.



On Tuesday, in a pair of graphics, Fox News misidentified Utah as Nevada and Vermont as New Hampshire.


Now, on today's edition of America Live, a graphic showing poll results for Republican presidential candidates included a picture of President Obama over Mitt Romney's name:

Here's the video clip:



There's a couple seconds of dead air and blank screen, but it's unclear whether Fox News recognized the error and quickly pulled down the graphic or if it was a transmission problem due to Megyn Kelly hosting the show from Sioux City, Iowa, where she will take part in tomorrow night's Fox News Republican presidential debate.



UPDATE: Later in the show, Kelly apologized for the error and displayed a graphic correctly displaying a picture of Romney.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201112140015

Yeah, Obuma sure is ugly!

[stumbler]

Fox Falsely Claims ‘Mickey Mouse’ And ‘Adolf Hitler’ Are On Scott Walker Recall Petition (VIDEO)

Fox News reporter Eric Shawn told viewers on Thursday that signatures from “Mickey Mouse” and “Adolf Hitler” were “allegedly on petitions in Wisconsin in the recall for Governor Scott Walker.” Fun little story with the potential to go viral? Absolutely. True? Not so much.


In fact, the original story that Shawn evidently built his report off of is about a strictly hypothetical situation discussed by members of the Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board who were asked what would happen if someone signed the petition as Mickey Mouse. There’s been no actual allegation that anyone actually signed the petition against Walker that way.


To be fair to Shawn, the original story about the hypothetical signatures was pretty unclear. It claims the signatures of Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler “will be counted on recall petitions” — as if such signatures had already been or were guaranteed to be collected instead of a theoretical possibility — “as long as they are properly dated and include a Wisconsin address.”


In fact, Government Accountability Board member David Buerger said that suspicious signatures would be flagged and that parties would be able to challenge the signatures. The local news report notes that Hitler’s name was struck from a previous recall petition immediately because the address given was in Germany.


Petitioners who wish to take down Walker have until Jan. 17 to collect 540,208 signatures to force a recall election. On Thursday they announced they were nearly there. View Fox’s report below.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed


What a bunch of rank amateurs.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Fox Falsely Claims ‘Mickey Mouse’ And ‘Adolf Hitler’ Are On Scott Walker Recall Petition (VIDEO)




http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed


What a bunch of rank amateurs.

You are just making a bigger fool of yourself with every post you make LMAO!!!

Perhaps you should watch the video in the link you posted. Then look up the word "alleged"

You are an imbecile

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

You are just making a bigger fool of yourself with every post you make LMAO!!!

Perhaps you should watch the video in the link you posted. Then look up the word "alleged"

You are an imbecile

No you are. stumbler can be a belligerent flamer, but he knows what he is talking about. You give little indication of any knowledge at all.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

No you are. stumbler can be a belligerent flamer, but he knows what he is talking about. You give little indication of any knowledge at all.

You should learn how to read fool.....

Oh, I'm sorry, I shouldn't ask you to do things that you aren't capable of.

[Sir dingly dang]

I just dont care what happens to the little ginger fuckers .

[Marius X]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Fox Falsely Claims ‘Mickey Mouse’ And ‘Adolf Hitler’ Are On Scott Walker Recall Petition (VIDEO)




http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed


What a bunch of rank amateurs.

I do not know about Wisconsin, however, I do know that in Washington State, where I am registered to vote "Mickey Mouse" AH, and "Absolutely Nobody" have had their votes count in several elections, while votes of many soldiers based at Fort Lewis (now JBLM) who were registered to vote in the State of Washington, while serving in Iraq, had their votes 'disapear'! The State of Washington has I think passed the City of Chicago (at least for now) in terms of vote fraud.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Marius X

I do not know about Wisconsin, however, I do know that in Washington State, where I am registered to vote "Mickey Mouse" AH, and "Absolutely Nobody" have had their votes count in several elections, while votes of many soldiers based at Fort Lewis (now JBLM) who were registered to vote in the State of Washington, while serving in Iraq, had their votes 'disapear'! The State of Washington has I think passed the City of Chicago (at least for now) in terms of vote fraud.

You know what I don't really believe a word of this. Just because a name appears on a voter registration card does not mean anyone voted under that name.

And if you've got military votes that are not being counted that needs to be taken up with the FEC or Defense department.

Because so far despite all the claims of voter fraud no one has really found any yet and it seems to be the Republican activist that are getting caught trying to illegally register to vote.

O'Keefe May Have Committed Voter Fraud

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...ire-polls.html

Indiana Secretary Of State Goes On Trial For Voter Fraud

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...r-voter-fraud/

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by Marius X

I do not know about Wisconsin, however, I do know that in Washington State, where I am registered to vote "Mickey Mouse" AH, and "Absolutely Nobody" have had their votes count in several elections, while votes of many soldiers based at Fort Lewis (now JBLM) who were registered to vote in the State of Washington, while serving in Iraq, had their votes 'disapear'! The State of Washington has I think passed the City of Chicago (at least for now) in terms of vote fraud.

Almost all such cases follow the same pattern. People who are out registering voters, and who are often paid on a per-registration basis, have a financial incentive to fill out falsified registration cards. Often, the phony registrations are caught by the people supervising them, or by county election officials. But even if they're not, there's almost no chance that an individual listed on the form will actually try to vote, let alone succeed, because that person does not exist, nor does the address or any other information on the form.

The bottom line is, this is a completely bogus issue. There are almost NO documented cases nationwide in which ineligible people have voted in large numbers.

[Marius X]

AFN the Armed Forces Network has on channel dedicated to news. It has an interesting schedule, it runs 1 hour of ABC, 1 Hour of PBS, 1 Hour of Fox, on hour of CNN, 1 hour of MSNBC, etc. on a rotating basis. CNN & Fox as '24 hour news (and opinion shows)' get more coverage than ABC/CBS/NBC. Also shows like Today, Charlie Rose, Bill O'Reilly, and Rachel Madow are on AFN.

Mostly I would watch the news shows, rather than the opinion shows. I do not like everyone on Fox news, but some of my favorites are Brit Hume, Bret Baier, Catherine Herridge, and Stuart Varney. I also respect Juan Williams, Sheppard Smith, Lis Wiehl, Kelly Wright, and, yes, Alan Colmes. I have met, and like Sean Hannity, I respect what he does with his 'Freedom Concerts' and other fund raisers to support wounded veterans and the children of soldiers, sailors, airmen, Mariens, and 'first responders' who have died since 11 September 2001, however, I almost never watch his opinion show. War Stories, hosted by former USMC LTC Oliver North is usually quite good too.

I also get my news from PBS (especially the News Hour, Frontline, and the Washington Week in Review), as well as the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.). I no longer have much respect in 'The Beeb' (BBC) which has really gone to hell over the last 20 years!

In my opinion Fox News was significantly better at covering events in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other world events like the terrorist attack in Mumbai than ABC/CBS/NBC, and still better than CNN, although IMHO CNN has been getting better over the last few years. MSNBC is just full of 'Hot Sick'! For Opinion shows I would rather watch the PBS shows I listed above.

I think it is the Opinion shows that turn so many people off to the Fox News channel. Despite Bill O'Reily being the most popular show on Fox, I find him hard to take, the same with that female lawyer who got popular from the OJ trial. I've watched 'Red Eye' on occasion, and it often makes me laugh. I think I would rather see Sean Hannity paired with Alan Colmes again, than watch either of their shows alone.

For what it is worth, Fox was the news channel that most service members in Iraq and Afghanistan like(d) to watch. But even among those who often watched news on AFN there were those who do not like Fox.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Marius X

AFN the Armed Forces Network has on channel dedicated to news. It has an interesting schedule, it runs 1 hour of ABC, 1 Hour of PBS, 1 Hour of Fox, on hour of CNN, 1 hour of MSNBC, etc. on a rotating basis. CNN & Fox as '24 hour news (and opinion shows)' get more coverage than ABC/CBS/NBC. Also shows like Today, Charlie Rose, Bill O'Reilly, and Rachel Madow are on AFN.

Mostly I would watch the news shows, rather than the opinion shows. I do not like everyone on Fox news, but some of my favorites are Brit Hume, Bret Baier, Catherine Herridge, and Stuart Varney. I also respect Juan Williams, Sheppard Smith, Lis Wiehl, Kelly Wright, and, yes, Alan Colmes. I have met, and like Sean Hannity, I respect what he does with his 'Freedom Concerts' and other fund raisers to support wounded veterans and the children of soldiers, sailors, airmen, Mariens, and 'first responders' who have died since 11 September 2001, however, I almost never watch his opinion show. War Stories, hosted by former USMC LTC Oliver North is usually quite good too.

I also get my news from PBS (especially the News Hour, Frontline, and the Washington Week in Review), as well as the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.). I no longer have much respect in 'The Beeb' (BBC) which has really gone to hell over the last 20 years!

In my opinion Fox News was significantly better at covering events in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other world events like the terrorist attack in Mumbai than ABC/CBS/NBC, and still better than CNN, although IMHO CNN has been getting better over the last few years. MSNBC is just full of 'Hot Sick'! For Opinion shows I would rather watch the PBS shows I listed above.

I think it is the Opinion shows that turn so many people off to the Fox News channel. Despite Bill O'Reily being the most popular show on Fox, I find him hard to take, the same with that female lawyer who got popular from the OJ trial. I've watched 'Red Eye' on occasion, and it often makes me laugh. I think I would rather see Sean Hannity paired with Alan Colmes again, than watch either of their shows alone.

For what it is worth, Fox was the news channel that most service members in Iraq and Afghanistan like(d) to watch. But even among those who often watched news on AFN there were those who do not like Fox.

Whoa, whoa ................ whoa pardner. I mean great dissertation and all that but what happened to all this personal knowledge, and we would think proof, of all this voter fraud?

Because I look at and regularly check about every news outlet you mentioned but I have not seen any real evidence of any kind of voter fraud.

[grig314]

The problem with Fox is that it isn't news. It is political commentary disguised as news.

[Marius X]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Whoa, whoa ................ whoa pardner. I mean great dissertation and all that but what happened to all this personal knowledge, and we would think proof, of all this voter fraud?

Because I look at and regularly check about every news outlet you mentioned but I have not seen any real evidence of any kind of voter fraud.

To Stumbler,

I was posting what you are responding to (what I liked about AFN usuing multiple news shows from multiple networks, while you were replying to my first vote about vote fraud/"missing" votes from deployed soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines). As you seem to infer, I am more interested about the issue of vote fraud, than I am about peoples opinions about what news shows/channles they like. I will try to get you information I am willing to share (some information I will not share because it could result in their RL name being linked to this site; and I will not do that without their permission). But I should be able to find, then post on here some open source information, and hopefully links to reports from the US Justice Department, and from the District Attorney's office.

I was talking about those anchors and other personalities on this thread, because the topic of this thread is about Fox News, and people who do not like Fox News. I was posting a divergent opinion, while agreeing that there are valid reasons to not like some of the opinion shows on the Fox News Channel. I do enjoy watching opinion shows, sometimes, and for those who like Rachel Maddow, there are those who would rather watch Bill O'Riley, or Sean Hannity; I do not care for any of those threee in particular, and preffer the Washington Week In Review, the Wall Street Journal Report (weekends on Fox), also news commentary by Neil Cavuto or

Must post now, will try to follow up by the weekend.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Marius X

To Stumbler,

I was posting what you are responding to (what I liked about AFN usuing multiple news shows from multiple networks, while you were replying to my first vote about vote fraud/"missing" votes from deployed soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines). As you seem to infer, I am more interested about the issue of vote fraud, than I am about peoples opinions about what news shows/channles they like. I will try to get you information I am willing to share (some information I will not share because it could result in their RL name being linked to this site; and I will not do that without their permission). But I should be able to find, then post on here some open source information, and hopefully links to reports from the US Justice Department, and from the District Attorney's office.

I was talking about those anchors and other personalities on this thread, because the topic of this thread is about Fox News, and people who do not like Fox News. I was posting a divergent opinion, while agreeing that there are valid reasons to not like some of the opinion shows on the Fox News Channel. I do enjoy watching opinion shows, sometimes, and for those who like Rachel Maddow, there are those who would rather watch Bill O'Riley, or Sean Hannity; I do not care for any of those threee in particular, and preffer the Washington Week In Review, the Wall Street Journal Report (weekends on Fox), also news commentary by Neil Cavuto or

Must post now, will try to follow up by the weekend.

Fine I've just got a real problem with the voter repression laws being pushed by ALEC and the conservative/Republican/Tea Party which is based on the false notion that voter fraud is rampant when in reality its hardly in existence.

And as far as Fox News I don't see any difference between their "opinion" people and what is supposed to be their actual news. As Jon Stewart points out even Fox's news actually copies the talking points issued by the Republican National Committee nearly word for word.

Also much further would one have to go than the studies that show Fox viewers are actually more misinformed than people who watch no news at all.