Underage stories

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by AngelEyes15

Read the OP:
"Now I'm not condoning or saying pedophilia is ok.

I'm just saying no one gets hurt making stories, unlike videos pictures and actions."

Patronising and wrong, so often go together.

So what's the point? You're not the OP. However you came on here as though you considered under-16 as paedophilia. Read through the posts and you will find I was not the only one to think that. If you're now saying that under 16 is OK and that, say, under 13 should be considered as paedo then I agree with you. However I find it sad that writers do not have the possibility to write stories from the,point of view of victims younger than that condemning the actions of paedos. Perhaps a few more stories of that type might make paedos think about the damage they are doing to their victims.

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by ahorsewithnoname

Sure you can, dude. You just can't post it here (yet). You can write it and post it in the Stories section. So, um, do it.

Can anyone explain why, after all the shit it caused nearly a year ago, this age-limit was withdrawn from the Stories Site? Was it just because of the number of authors who withdrew their many stories from the site?

[ahorsewithnoname]

Originally Posted by Wee Hector

Can anyone explain why, after all the shit it caused nearly a year ago, this age-limit was withdrawn from the Stories Site?

Don't have an effin' clue on that one. Bizarre.

For what it's worth...Angel Eyes has "signed" her name to the petition.

[ejls]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ejls
And by making that statement:

Murderers would go out and murder after reading the likes of Patricia Cornwell and James Patterson. Rapists would rape, thieves would steal more, terrorists would be blowing up whole cities all over the world. You really give too much credit to the power of the written word. If you know the difference between fantasy and reality, why would you think that pedos would not. That sick thing that's in them is in them when they see a child at the zoo. Should we close every business that caters to children? After all, by looking at them, it will cause pedos to want to commit acts.

Quote by AngelEyes15:

I would be giving too much credit to the power of the written word if I believed what you say I believe! 'Thieves would steal more' than what?

I'm just saying it has AN influence. You're saying because you're not a pedo a story isn't going to turn you into one. 100% true but taking a complete extreme and saying there that proves there's no effect. But why would there NOT be an effect?

People encourage or discourage each other with what they write, we see it everywhere. In England people have been jailed for posting on Facebook urging people to riot. That's quite extreme as well, but true!

You obviously give a lot of credit to the written word because you said pedos will read underaged stories and it will influence them to commit acts. Yet you did not address murders, rapist or terrorists that read publishing by famous authors.

You are very right that people are encouraged and discouraged by others every single day of their lives. It's what causes us to make good decisions, to help an elder across the road, to stop our cars when there is an animal in the road. We also see those sickos who yell JUMP! when someone is on a ledge, contemplating suicide. There are those who scream during sports matches to "Kill the son-of-a-bitch". Yes, there are influences every day.

More importantly, we have been influenced by our parents and relatives. We have been influenced by authority figures since we were very young. Just admit that it's not a story that makes a pedo commit his or her crimes. It's so much deeper than that. And it's not from sites like this - it's from other places.

You're very intelligent and you put up a good argument.

By the way, I saw that you messaged a member simply telling them that you had posted a new chapter or story. I saw it because I was banning that 14 year old member who was on here reading porn.

Are you to blame for anything that young lady does sexually for the rest of her life? I don't think so.

[Cheltenham]

Originally Posted by AngelEyes15

Stories don't make a critical difference to every pedo, sure. The question is do promoting-type stories increase pedo activity overall? Even for one child?

We have to infer. But since media generally influences people, I infer that promotion promotes it.

If someone writes about baby-eating as a bad thing that's art I have no problem with it. Likewise with pedo sex, as a bad thing.

What I object to is people writing stories that pedos enjoy and cluster round, telling each other it's great (and they should do more).

"If someone writes about baby-eating as a bad thing that's art I have no problem with it."

If someone writes about baby eating, it is art and you have no problem with it?

I'm guessing the people of Switzerland have a loosened restriction on cannibalism. Maybe? I don't know, I've never been there. Enlighten me.

[ejls]

This is called going off? Maybe I misunderstood what you said.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelEyes15
People are inspired to support charities and do sports and so on by reading about other people doing those things. Writing is one of the main ways people influence each other in fact.

So why wouldn't pedo stories have that influencing effect, if they're written in a way that approves it?

"This little boy feels great on my cock" is promoting it, isn't it? Makes it seem enjoyable and acceptable.

That's similar to the excuses they used for the Columbine shootings. It never would have happened if the families hadn't had shotguns (for hunting) in the house. My father had guns. We knew where they were, we knew where the ammo was kept and we were taught how to load, cock and shoot. Would we ever have touched them on our own? Hell no!

Are you going to say if we watch Silence of the Lambs we will become serial killers? If we watch cartoons we are apt to hit a coyote in the head with a frying pan? If a girl watches Pretty Woman she'll become a hooker?

I've read tons of books in my many years. None of the fiction has influenced me to do anything other than want to continue reading. No - just because it's written and someone reads it doesn't make them think it's okay in real life. Will there be a small few that might? Oh yeah, but that's true of anything in society.

[learning_girl]

I will give a comparison that leaves a little of the emotion aside. There is an alternative sex story site, at one point it was the largest and contained the largest library on the internet.

It has no policy on content, ie no banned topics.

Over the past 3-4 years stories regarding pedophilia have become do dominant in their postings the site is now regarded by many past users as unenjoyable.

While dozens of fetishes exist it is not the existance but the hugely disportionate numbers of postings on the topic which has made users who do not subscribe to the as arousing feel uncomfortable.

In this case it was an issue of because of itds acceptance it had become a huge drawcard for all with an interest in that and this congregation of users has thus far dominated the site topics.

Because of its illegality, anywhere that condones it draws that community in larger numbers because of its scarcity of possible sites. Whereas other topics draw only s very small proportion of the total number intersted becasue of the wide variety of sites available.

I personally hope it continues to be a banned topic here.

[ejls]

Originally Posted by learning_girl

I will give a comparison that leaves a little of the emotion aside. There is an alternative sex story site, at one point it was the largest and contained the largest library on the internet.

It has no policy on content, ie no banned topics.

Over the past 3-4 years stories regarding pedophilia have become do dominant in their postings the site is now regarded by many past users as unenjoyable.

While dozens of fetishes exist it is not the existance but the hugely disportionate numbers of postings on the topic which has made users who do not subscribe to the as arousing feel uncomfortable.

In this case it was an issue of because of itds acceptance it had become a huge drawcard for all with an interest in that and this congregation of users has thus far dominated the site topics.

Because of its illegality, anywhere that condones it draws that community in larger numbers because of its scarcity of possible sites. Whereas other topics draw only s very small proportion of the total number intersted becasue of the wide variety of sites available.

I personally hope it continues to be a banned topic here.

Welcome, new person. But, it's not a banned topic here. Go view the Sex Stories Site - there are plenty of underaged stories over there.

[JoeDirty]

Can we stop it with the "reading-pedo-stories-is-the-same-as-reading-murder-mysteries" argument?

It's the same old bullshit that I've heard heard here from the day I first joined.




Here are some facts and logic....

1. NOBODY reads a murder mystery to "root" for the killer. They're "rooting" for the killer getting his ass caught.

2. NOBODY is "getting off" to the murder in a murder mystery. They're "getting off" to the mystery being solved.

3. OTOH EVERYONE who "gets off" on pedo stories is beating off to depictions of pedophilia. Hence, they have a pedo fetish...and are thus pedos in the deep recesses of their sick, depraved minds.

[Cheltenham]

Originally Posted by AngelEyes15

Stories don't make a critical difference to every pedo, sure. The question is do promoting-type stories increase pedo activity overall? Even for one child?

We have to infer. But since media generally influences people, I infer that promotion promotes it.

If someone writes about baby-eating as a bad thing that's art I have no problem with it. Likewise with pedo sex, as a bad thing.

What I object to is people writing stories that pedos enjoy and cluster round, telling each other it's great (and they should do more).

Originally Posted by AngelEyes15

Enlighten you? lol. As if I could. When all you can manage is a cheap xenophobic shot, not understanding the very simple point I made.

Repugnance toward foreigners?

Enlighten me. What is your simple point? That you support the creation of stories that involve babies being eaten because you feel it is art?

I haven't modified your quote other than enlarging the text and making it bold.

If I don't understand then you must be partially at fault.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Can we stop it with the "reading-pedo-stories-is-the-same-as-reading-murder-mysteries" argument?

It's the same old bullshit that I've heard heard here from the day I first joined.




Here are some facts and logic....

1. NOBODY reads a murder mystery to "root" for the killer. They're "rooting" for the killer getting his ass caught.

2. NOBODY is "getting off" to the murder in a murder mystery. They're "getting off" to the mystery being solved.

3. OTOH EVERYONE who "gets off" on pedo stories is beating off to depictions of pedophilia. Hence, they have a pedo fetish...and are thus pedos in the deep recesses of their sick, depraved minds.

Valid points. So let's move away from murder mysteries and onto something where you really are rooting for the "bad guy."

Have you ever watched a heist movie? If so, how many banks did you rob afterward?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

Valid points. So let's move away from murder mysteries and onto something where you really are rooting for the "bad guy."

Have you ever watched a heist movie? If so, how many banks did you rob afterward?

Still apples and turnips. A pedo sex story is written to titillate the reader.

I don't have a granny fetish. Thus I'm not "into" granny porn. So no amount of good writing would make me whip it out and whack off to a story about a young dude with a 96 year old woman.

The very fact that one goes looking for pedo stories proves that one has an interest in or fetish related to pedophilia. And the fact that one jerks off to a story of a man molesting a child proves that one is a pedo.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Ah! there is the rub I knew it was there... If a Grown woman molests a boy its okay? What about if a girl molests a boy and say they are reasonably close to the same age? what about if a boy molests a girl and they are reasonably close to the same age? If A. is okay then why is it not okay for a Man to molest anyone... and if B and C are okay do you call it pedo porn or is it just a story? What do you call it?

I mean I just got a new copy of Justine, wonder if there is any of your so called pedo porn in there... I know there was in 120 nights of Soddom... shit that was dirty as fuck, did not make me want to go out and rape children... made me kinda sick feeling really some of the parts... You know the part where they knock out all the kid's teeth so he give's a better blowjob... or while they jerked while pruning the kids fingers off? Yeah not my cup of kool-aid.

Can we get a quantification on that? if two girls are making out does it matter how old they are? what about two boys...we are of course talking about fictional stories and not movies or what you see when you glance into your neighbors window.

Just wondering ....

[scotsmitch2001]

How does that work?..the thinking of it?....the if you get off on it you must be.....
If...and I am only saying if...I slowly peeled the panties off a 16 year old girl..thats ok......
but
if I slowly peel the panties off a 15 year old girl, it isn't?
I know the rules to Xnxx..I accept them....Most stories I have written about older/ younger relationships have been in response to that very edict.
my "Katie" series was a classic example, In my use of words and imagery, there is very little doubt how young she is meant to be....I leave it up to the readers thoughts to go with it, if they so wish.
I wrote a story about the sexual molestation of a young boy...and there was no backlash.
The truth is, it is the reader who dictates what the story is meant to convey.
When I read a book, after I have finished, I toss it aside and move on to the next.
When I read the stories on Xnxx, same thing applies..some stimulate, some don't...No matter the topic nine times out of ten, it is the style and in the words of the author that make it work not the content as such.

[scotsmitch2001]

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

Ah! there is the rub I knew it was there... If a Grown woman molests a boy its okay? What about if a girl molests a boy and say they are reasonably close to the same age? what about if a boy molests a girl and they are reasonably close to the same age? If A. is okay then why is it not okay for a Man to molest anyone... and if B and C are okay do you call it pedo porn or is it just a story? What do you call it?

I mean I just got a new copy of Justine, wonder if there is any of your so called pedo porn in there... I know there was in 120 nights of Soddom... shit that was dirty as fuck, did not make me want to go out and rape children... made me kinda sick feeling really some of the parts... You know the part where they knock out all the kid's teeth so he give's a better blowjob... or while they jerked while pruning the kids fingers off? Yeah not my cup of kool-aid.

Can we get a quantification on that? if two girls are making out does it matter how old they are? what about two boys...we are of course talking about fictional stories and not movies or what you see when you glance into your neighbors window.

Just wondering ....

+1

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Can we stop it with the "reading-pedo-stories-is-the-same-as-reading-murder-mysteries" argument?

It's the same old bullshit that I've heard heard here from the day I first joined.




Here are some facts and logic....

1. NOBODY reads a murder mystery to "root" for the killer. They're "rooting" for the killer getting his ass caught.

2. NOBODY is "getting off" to the murder in a murder mystery. They're "getting off" to the mystery being solved.

3. OTOH EVERYONE who "gets off" on pedo stories is beating off to depictions of pedophilia. Hence, they have a pedo fetish...and are thus pedos in the deep recesses of their sick, depraved minds.

At last one of the Fuck Wits turns up.

This debate was far too civilized without a sock hurling insults at anyone who reads stories he decides are pedo.

If I hold your rock up for you would you like to crawl back under it?

We had the restrictions foisted on us a year ago and we were pissed because the forum was strict in what was fantasy was OK what was real was not and bloody no one had a problem but suddenly the sky would fall if these stories were allowed.

Lots are still there and has anyone seen any legal proceedings against the owners? It would be front page news world wide if they were.
Anyone claimed they were influenced by Little Lisa Part 63 in the young category.

Good luck with the petition btw, I'm sure Lemark has already cleared a space in File 13 for it.

[GingerCat]

I personally have no problem with a story involving two 14 year olds having sex. They are technically underaged but it doesn't bother me as no abuse is taking place. On the other hand i would find a story involving a 14 year old having sex with a 18 year old to be rather unpleasent reading.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

I learned today that in Greece, pedophilia is a disability... and so should we not cater to those disabled people?
Whats the What bothers me most is what do you call someone who loves feet... a Pedo - phile? Hmmm troubling...

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Still apples and turnips. A pedo sex story is written to titillate the reader.

I disagree that there's a real difference. Both pedo stories and heist movies put you into the mind of a fictional character engaging in antisocial behavior. Enjoying the thrill of molesting a fictional child is sick and disturbing, but I don't see how it's categorically different from enjoying the thrill of pulling off a fictional heist.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I don't have a granny fetish. Thus I'm not "into" granny porn. So no amount of good writing would make me whip it out and whack off to a story about a young dude with a 96 year old woman.

Fine; I'm with you there. I don't get the point you're trying to make, though.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

The very fact that one goes looking for pedo stories proves that one has an interest in or fetish related to pedophilia. And the fact that one jerks off to a story of a man molesting a child proves that one is a pedo.

True enough. But all that shows is that reading those stories is a symptom of pedophilic tendencies, not that it is a contributing factor in the causation of sexual crimes against children.

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

I disagree that there's a real difference. Both pedo stories and heist movies put you into the mind of a fictional character engaging in antisocial behavior. Enjoying the thrill of molesting a fictional child is sick and disturbing, but I don't see how it's categorically different from enjoying the thrill of pulling off a fictional heist.



Fine; I'm with you there. I don't get the point you're trying to make, though.



True enough. But all that shows is that reading those stories is a symptom of pedophilic tendencies, not that it is a contributing factor in the causation of sexual crimes against children.

Its not true enough at all; most people who read these stories, all stories on this site, are voyeurs,that's all, they don't have some deep rooted desire to do any of the actions.

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

I learned today that in Greece, pedophilia is a disability... and so should we not cater to those disabled people?
Whats the What bothers me most is what do you call someone who loves feet... a Pedo - phile? Hmmm troubling...

Apparently they're called a pOdophile. I wondered about that as well with the confusion over pedo- and paedo-, but pedo- also refers to soil so what do you call someone who likes rolling around in the dust? A pedo-phile?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Prurient Purveyer

At last one of the Fuck Wits turns up.

This debate was far too civilized without a sock hurling insults at anyone who reads stories he decides are pedo.

If I hold your rock up for you would you like to crawl back under it?

We had the restrictions foisted on us a year ago and we were pissed because the forum was strict in what was fantasy was OK what was real was not and bloody no one had a problem but suddenly the sky would fall if these stories were allowed.

Lots are still there and has anyone seen any legal proceedings against the owners? It would be front page news world wide if they were.
Anyone claimed they were influenced by Little Lisa Part 63 in the young category.

Good luck with the petition btw, I'm sure Lemark has already cleared a space in File 13 for it.

I'm not a sock, asshole.

Also, I've always argued this point. Even before the current ban.

For you to say with a straight face that these stories aren't meant to be pornographic and thus arousing to the reader is a big, massive pile of bullshit.

The truth is that to be aroused by such a thing there must be a desire for it somewhere. Either one already has pedo tendencies and one goes actively looking for such material...or one stumbles upon it by accident and discovers that they have a pedo tendency that they didn't know about before.

Originally Posted by Daddycums

I disagree that there's a real difference. Both pedo stories and heist movies put you into the mind of a fictional character engaging in antisocial behavior. Enjoying the thrill of molesting a fictional child is sick and disturbing, but I don't see how it's categorically different from enjoying the thrill of pulling off a fictional heist.

Big difference IMO.

True enough. But all that shows is that reading those stories is a symptom of pedophilic tendencies, not that it is a contributing factor in the causation of sexual crimes against children.

I never said that all pedos will actually commit a crime against a child. That idea is BS.

Originally Posted by Prurient Purveyer

Its not true enough at all; most people who read these stories, all stories on this site, are voyeurs,that's all, they don't have some deep rooted desire to do any of the actions.

See my last comment above, asswipe.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

What part of no one was harmed in the writing of this story doesn't anyone understand? in fact nothing happened except for that wet spot... um yeah get a rag or something to clean that up. I would even go so far as to say that all of the writers who have posted have never claimed any of their stories are true... Same as if I wrote a story where a mass murderer was the hero.. right?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

What part of no one was harmed in the writing of this story doesn't anyone understand? in fact nothing happened except for that wet spot... um yeah get a rag or something to clean that up. I would even go so far as to say that all of the writers who have posted have never claimed any of their stories are true... Same as if I wrote a story where a mass murderer was the hero.. right?

Utterly point missing. The fact of the matter is that it's still porn for pedos. (The same goes for the computer generated stuff.) It's designed to appeal to those with pedo tendencies. It gives them an outlet to fantasize sexually about children and to "get off" on those disturbing, sick, and evil desires.

[ejls]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Still apples and turnips. A pedo sex story is written to titillate the reader.

All stories written for a porn site are written to titillate readers. That's the point. That's the reason naked pics are on a porn site. That's why over 18 yr old girls pose in school girl clothes. That's why there are videos here. To titillate.

No one is forced to read, look, or watch. They come here because it's allowed - it's legal. Should we ban pictures of legal-aged women who look and pose as underaged teens? I personally think that pedos are more likely to get off on pics, or watching kids at play, than reading a story. I have not data on that - it's just my opinion.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by ejls

All stories written for a porn site are written to titillate readers. That's the point. That's the reason naked pics are on a porn site. That's why over 18 yr old girls pose in school girl clothes. That's why there are videos here. To titillate.

No one is forced to read, look, or watch. They come here because it's allowed - it's legal. Should we ban pictures of legal-aged women who look and pose as underaged teens? I personally think that pedos are more likely to get off on pics, or watching kids at play, than reading a story. I have not data on that - it's just my opinion.

So can we just stop it then with the heist movie and murder mystery bullshit justifications and just admit that the underage stories are for pedos?

[ejls]

No - just like everyone blamed Columbine on the families owning guns. That is not why those kids killed.

If you are saying that reading a story will set off a pedo, then I say that a book about terrorism will put the thoughts of bomb building in the mind of an already warped person. If there is a book about murder, or hurting people by throwing acid in their faces, there is a chance someone will emulate what they've read. You can't say it's only the pedos who will read something and it will set them off. Sorry, not buying it. Anyone can be set off by anything at any given moment. Why don't you admit that?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by ejls

No - just like everyone blamed Columbine on the families owning guns. That is not why those kids killed.

If you are saying that reading a story will set off a pedo, then I say that a book about terrorism will put the thoughts of bomb building in the mind of an already warped person. If there is a book about murder, or hurting people by throwing acid in their faces, there is a chance someone will emulate what they've read. You can't say it's only the pedos who will read something and it will set them off. Sorry, not buying it. Anyone can be set off by anything at any given moment. Why don't you admit that?

Not every pedo acts on his or her desires. The idea that all pedos act out on their desires is BS.

One can be a pedo and never ever molest a child.

[MasterAlexxxx]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Utterly point missing. The fact of the matter is that it's still porn for pedos. (The same goes for the computer generated stuff.) It's designed to appeal to those with pedo tendencies. It gives them an outlet to fantasize sexually about children and to "get off" on those disturbing, sick, and evil desires.

If you don't like it don't read it. Who are we (Any of us) to judge what is appropriate and what is not... the last group of people to do such a thing was the Nazis.

Censorship = Bad = SOPA

[ELaken-Palmer]

Originally Posted by MasterAlexxxx

If you don't like it don't read it. Who are we (Any of us) to judge what is appropriate and what is not... the last group of people to do such a thing was the Nazis.

Censorship = Bad = SOPA

It's being done. Right here. Right now.

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

And one can be an idiot without saying a word... the difference between them and you Joe is that you let everyone know. A fantasy doesn't make you something... If a thought did God where did I put my tin foil hat?

What's next thought police? for having an unclean thought ... it's fucking ridiculous.

[clarise]

Time for me to chime in here.

I oppose censorship. Period. And would take offense, on that principle, if LemarkXXX were to come online and set a hard, explicit minimum age, as Lush has done, and as LuLu has done, and as Literotica has done, and as many others have done.

I would take offense, on principle, if the hard, explicit rule were age 13. Or age 16. Or age 18.

While I am against censorship, I have not signed the petition. I know ELP means well, and I understand the benefits of signing it. I understand why many of the other writers have signed it. Yet I cannot do so, because if a hard, explicit minimum age of 13 is enacted, the moderators will be required to enforce it verbatim, without being able to exercise their judgment.

For instance:

Now, this very moment, I am posting material on this forum that features an eleven year old girl. People are reading it. No one is reporting it. The story is not erotic. It is not meant to titillate. In fact, it is meant to appall. It is a horrible, tragic story.

I would go so far as to say that any reader capable of being aroused by it is a sick, twisted fuck who must have both the desire and the capacity to rape, torture, and maim, with or without short fiction for fuel.

Since the forum has guidelines, and not explicit rules, the moderators have the power to exercise discretion. Stroke stories involving eleven year olds, they have the power to remove. Dramatic fiction involving eleven year olds, they have the power to let stand.

If the guidelines are converted to rules, that latitude disappears. As it has disappeared at Lush, LuLu, Literotica, and many other places.

Now, this is all IMHO. Please don't report my latest two Greta threads ("Greta Watches...") out of spite!

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I'm not a sock, asshole.

Also, I've always argued this point. Even before the current ban.

For you to say with a straight face that these stories aren't meant to be pornographic and thus arousing to the reader is a big, massive pile of bullshit.

The truth is that to be aroused by such a thing there must be a desire for it somewhere. Either one already has pedo tendencies and one goes actively looking for such material...or one stumbles upon it by accident and discovers that they have a pedo tendency that they didn't know about before.

I mostly agree with you, although I could see another argument that some people who enjoy this kind of story are just looking for an outlet for pent up desires due to a repressed or mundane sex life; it's all about the fantasy being as extreme as possible, and not about any fetish in particular.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

Big difference IMO.

You're welcome to your opinion, but if you disagree with my assertion that the thrill that comes from a heist movie and the thrill that comes from pedo stories are categorically the same, then simply reiterating your opinion isn't going to make me change my mind. I'd be interested in hearing how they differ.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I never said that all pedos will actually commit a crime against a child. That idea is BS.

See my last comment above, asswipe.

Once again I fail to understand what you're claiming. Getting back to the original author's premise that pedo stories are harmless, do you believe that or not?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by MasterAlexxxx

If you don't like it don't read it. Who are we (Any of us) to judge what is appropriate and what is not... the last group of people to do such a thing was the Nazis.

Censorship = Bad = SOPA

What you write above is relativistic drivel and bullshit.

We can (and do) judge all the time.

In fact, you just judged me. Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

And one can be an idiot without saying a word... the difference between them and you Joe is that you let everyone know. A fantasy doesn't make you something... If a thought did God where did I put my tin foil hat?

What's next thought police? for having an unclean thought ... it's fucking ridiculous.

If you have sexual fantasies about a 9 year old girl, you are a pedo. End of.

You may never actually do anything sexually to one in real life but the fact remains that you are sexually attracted to little girls.

I judge that...all sane, rational, civilized people judge that...to be sick.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

...Getting back to the original author's premise that pedo stories are harmless, do you believe that or not?

No. They aren't harmless. If one already knows that they're pedo it just adds fuel to the fire. If one accidentally finds it then it may start a fire in the first place.

No person reading such crap can come away unscathed to some extent or another. What we fill our minds with are the things that we think about. And the things that we think about are the things that make us who we are.

To deny the above is to deny reality.

[Daddycums]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

If you have sexual fantasies about a 9 year old girl, you are a pedo. End of.

You may never actually do anything sexually to one in real life but the fact remains that you are sexually attracted to little girls.

I judge that...all sane, rational, civilized people judge that...to be sick.

Keep that last line in mind, because I'm going to come back to it in a moment.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

No. They aren't harmless. If one already knows that they're pedo it just adds fuel to the fire.

Possibly. But using your fire metaphor, have you ever heard of a controlled burn? Firefighters sometimes use this method when they judge that putting out a fire is less optimal than just letting it burn. You channel the fire some place harmless so that it doesn't do any real damage, and it eventually burns itself out. Take a look at some of my previous comments on this post and you should see what I'm getting at here.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

If one accidentally finds it then it may start a fire in the first place.

Really? Because according to you, all sane, rational, civilized people should find it sickening and just move on. That means that the only ones who would read it would be insane, irrational, or uncivilized. In other words, the fire is already there.

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

No person reading such crap can come away unscathed to some extent or another. What we fill our minds with are the things that we think about. And the things that we think about are the things that make us who we are.

To deny the above is to deny reality.

I deny the above. You're only half right; what we think about and what we do are the things that make us who we are.

Would you rather have someone fantasize about a fictional 9-year-old girl, or go out and rape a real 9-year-old girl? Isn't it possible that reading stories like this will actually prevent some pedophiles from harming real children?

[crackedjaguar@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

No. They aren't harmless. If one already knows that they're pedo it just adds fuel to the fire. If one accidentally finds it then it may start a fire in the first place.

No person reading such crap can come away unscathed to some extent or another. What we fill our minds with are the things that we think about. And the things that we think about are the things that make us who we are.

To deny the above is to deny reality.

You would have people judged by their fantasies? REALLY... someone hand me the tin foil hat. First of all I try and make it a point not to make judgments on people... You my friend are a complete idiot if you believe that thoughts rather than actions are what makes a person. By your logic Stephen King is a Sociopath... or any other horror writer for that matter... Hell anyone who has the thought of strangling their boss to death puts them in the category of murderer... Think before you write something so inane and asinine as if you have a thought you are that thought. I have lots of thoughts not all of them good, yet I figure I'm a reasonably good person. By your argument one of the most popular Disney movies ever made was originally written by a pedophile.. you remember Lewis Carol... and I'm betting hundreds of kids went and watched the pedophile fantasy. You can't live life without getting a little dirty and you can't think or write or do anything without letting your mind wander, and if your really not a total self absorbed idiot you let your mind take you places you have never gone or never dare go. But I have come to the conclusion that with your psychology doctorate your able to diagnose all of us here. Now that we have our diagnosis we can apply for disability and we can continue to live our lives perhaps a bit happier. But having actually been in the nut house a time or two, I know better than your arm chair diagnosis.

You, hmmm I'm going to say go back to the General Forum and arm wrestle stumbler or something that will be as equally productive as your rant which has no logical or medical basis.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Daddycums

Keep that last line in mind, because I'm going to come back to it in a moment.

Possibly. But using your fire metaphor, have you ever heard of a controlled burn? Firefighters sometimes use this method when they judge that putting out a fire is less optimal than just letting it burn. You channel the fire some place harmless so that it doesn't do any real damage, and it eventually burns itself out. Take a look at some of my previous comments on this post and you should see what I'm getting at here.

Sexual urges don't work that way. Porn feeds those fires (urges) and makes them stronger. One needs stronger and stronger stimuli over time in order to get off. It's like a drug habit.

Really? Because according to you, all sane, rational, civilized people should find it sickening and just move on. That means that the only ones who would read it would be insane, irrational, or uncivilized. In other words, the fire is already there.

Sometimes people are repelled by something but still see it either out of curiosity or by accident. If something is presented in a certain way then that might lead one to start having certain fantasies and feelings....

This is how my shemale fetish started. So I know that it can happen.

I deny the above. You're only half right; what we think about and what we do are the things that make us who we are.

False. While it's true that normally one does as one thinks one may not do so for various reasons (e.g., fear of getting caught, being ostracized, etc.).

Would you rather have someone fantasize about a fictional 9-year-old girl, or go out and rape a real 9-year-old girl? Isn't it possible that reading stories like this will actually prevent some pedophiles from harming real children?

Of course, I'd rather that no actual kids be harmed. But the problem is that not every pedo keeps it all in his or her head. All that such stories do is feed the desire and make the urge stronger.

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I'm not a sock, asshole.

Also, I've always argued this point. Even before the current ban.

For you to say with a straight face that these stories aren't meant to be pornographic and thus arousing to the reader is a big, massive pile of bullshit.

The truth is that to be aroused by such a thing there must be a desire for it somewhere. Either one already has pedo tendencies and one goes actively looking for such material...or one stumbles upon it by accident and discovers that they have a pedo tendency that they didn't know about before.

Big difference IMO.

I never said that all pedos will actually commit a crime against a child. That idea is BS.

See my last comment above, asswipe.

You are just so full of it sock.

The stories on this forum are fantasies, the rule was always that real pictures of any child under 18 weren't allowed, even clothed- there was no place for them on a porn site.

You still labor the "if this then that" logic of the obsessed Pedophile hater.

It is quite possible to find erotic possibilities in certain stories without having deep rooted longings to do the bloody same you worm.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Prurient Purveyer

You are just so full of it sock.

I'm NOT a sock, dumbass. And even if I were...Big whoop! Like me you're just some anonymous person on the net. The difference between me and you is that you are an asshole that I couldn't care less about in real life. When I turn off my puter neither you nor any of the rest of you sexual deviants exist in my life. I only surround myself with decent people.

...It is quite possible to find erotic possibilities in certain stories without having deep rooted longings to do the bloody same you worm.

Bullshit.

To find a 9 year old girl in any way sexually arousing is to have sexual feelings for 9 year old girls. And that, you bonehead, is pedophilia.

[JoeDirty]

I was going to edit this in above but I ran out of time. ...

Originally Posted by crackedjaguar@hotmail.com

You would have people judged by their fantasies?...

Yes. When said fantasies involve sexual contact with 9 year old girls. I judge them to be what they are...pedos.

If someone told me in real life that they had such thoughts/feelings/fantasies they'd be staying the hell away from any kids that I know. That's for damn sure!

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I'm NOT a sock, dumbass. And even if I were...Big whoop! Like me you're just some anonymous person on the net. The difference between me and you is that you are an asshole that I couldn't care less about in real life. When I turn off my puter neither you nor any of the rest of you sexual deviants exist in my life. I only surround myself with decent people.

Bullshit.

To find a 9 year old girl in any way sexually arousing is to have sexual feelings for 9 year old girls. And that, you bonehead, is pedophilia.

No its not you idiot. Check out what a pedophile is, don't jut go "oh well I think we all know... Check it out.


No. Too hard for you so here it is:

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), pedophilia is a paraphilia in which a person has intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children and on which feelings they have either acted or which cause distress or interpersonal difficulty.

So if one is aroused by the thoughts of Little Mandy but doesn't have intense and recurrent sexual urges then one isn't a pedophile.

Game set and match to me, thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys.

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by Prurient Purveyer

No its not you idiot. Check out what a pedophile is, don't jut go "oh well I think we all know... Check it out.


No. Too hard for you so here it is:

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), pedophilia is a paraphilia in which a person has intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children and on which feelings they have either acted or which cause distress or interpersonal difficulty.

So if one is aroused by the thoughts of Little Mandy but doesn't have intense and recurrent sexual urges then one isn't a pedophile.

Game set and match to me, thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Paedophilia

Your definition is bullshit and is just a justification for such abnormal feelings.

Children aren't sexual objects and shouldn't be treated as such.

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Paedophilia

Your definition is bullshit and is just a justification for such abnormal feelings.

Children aren't sexual objects and shouldn't be treated as such.

It isn't my definition,its a clinical definition and just because it doesn't fit with your preconceived idiotic view on the subject doesn't mean it is bullshit.

Does it sunshine?

[scotsmitch2001]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Paedophilia

Your definition is bullshit and is just a justification for such abnormal feelings.

Children aren't sexual objects and shouldn't be treated as such.

You are so right Joe...maybe you should spread the message to the advertisers, the media, PR firms..clothing firms, toy makers, parents ...etc etc

[ejls]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

What you write above is relativistic drivel and bullshit.

We can (and do) judge all the time.

In fact, you just judged me. Hypocrite.

If you have sexual fantasies about a 9 year old girl, you are a pedo. End of.

You may never actually do anything sexually to one in real life but the fact remains that you are sexually attracted to little girls.

I judge that...all sane, rational, civilized people judge that...to be sick.

Does that mean if I have a sexual fantasy about another woman, it makes me a lesbian?

I'm sorry - I don't think so.

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Paedophilia

Your definition is bullshit and is just a justification for such abnormal feelings.

Children aren't sexual objects and shouldn't be treated as such.

Neither are animals or corpses but I don't see you ranting on about bestiality and necrophilia. Surely they merit a ban as much as underage sex.

[Wee Hector]

Originally Posted by ejls

Does that mean if I have a sexual fantasy about another woman, it makes me a lesbian?

I'm sorry - I don't think so.

With people like Joe about we should take things to their logical conclusion. When we write a story we can give any age we want to the characters but in actual fact they are only hours or days old. If Joe had his way we would send in a story and wait 18 years for it to be published. After all these are "real" people we are writing about, aren't they Joe?

[JoeDirty]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

...Children aren't sexual objects and shouldn't be treated as such.

I meant to say "considered.'"

Originally Posted by Prurient Purveyer

It isn't my definition,its a clinical definition and just because it doesn't fit with your preconceived idiotic view on the subject doesn't mean it is bullshit.

Does it sunshine?

Let's take a poll, shall we? A poll of the general public outside of this den of depravity. I'd say that 99% will agree with me over your view which justifies such thinking about kids in a sexual way.

Head doctors are noted for being nutcases. So it doesn't shock me in the least that they would justify such feelings as being normal.

I gave a standard dictionary definition of being a pedo.

Originally Posted by ejls

Does that mean if I have a sexual fantasy about another woman, it makes me a lesbian?

I'm sorry - I don't think so.

It makes you "bi curious." It means that you have had sexual fantasies about other women.

If one has sexula fantasies about little kids it makes one "pedo curious."

One shouldn't even entertain such thoughts about little kids to begin with. As I said earlier children aren't sexual objects and should never be considered as such.

Originally Posted by Wee Hector

Neither are animals or corpses but I don't see you ranting on about bestiality and necrophilia. Surely they merit a ban as much as underage sex.

At least dead people aren't living and a dog is a dog and not a person. But both of those things are sick and against the law. (So is fucking your Mom BTW, you sick bastatrds. )

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by JoeDirty

I meant to say "considered.'"

Let's take a poll, shall we? A poll of the general public outside of this den of depravity. I'd say that 99% will agree with me over your view which justifies such thinking about kids in a sexual way.

Head doctors are noted for being nutcases. So it doesn't shock me in the least that they would justify such feelings as being normal.

I gave a standard dictionary definition of being a pedo.

It makes you "bi curious." It means that you have had sexual fantasies about other women.

If one has sexula fantasies about little kids it makes one "pedo curious."

One shouldn't even entertain such thoughts about little kids to begin with. As I said earlier children aren't sexual objects and should never be considered as such.

At least dead people aren't living and a dog is a dog and not a person. But both of those things are sick and against the law. (So is fucking your Mom BTW, you sick bastatrds. )

You really are quite the Little Moralist, aren't you?

Anything edgy will have a content that would disgust the general public but they're fantasies and they're written,in the main, for the purpose of "getting off to"

Why are you so concerned about the stories? We can deal with them; we're adults with free will and the ability to differentiate between real and fantasy.


And I'm delighted to see you cannot accept the definition of pedophile- it just proves how obsessed you are.