Why we are fat

[cijababe]

Just throwing this out there

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-making-us-fat

In brief, there was a programme on Channel 4 as well on UK TV all about the food industry. Our food is pumped full either of sugar or in the case of the US, with high fructose corn syrup made from all the maize that would in the past have gone to waste. The food industry is making money hand over fist and has an invested interest in suppressing and denying information as to how harmful sugar and particularly fructose is to the body, just as the tobacco industry suppressed and denied information on lung cancer. It explains the rise in obesity since the 1950s.

It's not just the increase in our reliance on processed food, but the increase in the amount of soft drinks we consume. I haven't researched it thoroughly myself but correct me if I'm wrong; Coca Cola in the US is made using corn syrup, whereas here in Europe it is still made with sugar. In any case it's a moot point as we still consume way more of it than is healthy.

I'd be extremely interested to start a debate here.

[knoxvillainswife]

I honestly thought that it was because we simply do not get enough exercise. I've eaten fairly healthy my whole life, wild meat, home grown vegetables all summer, and I don't like sugary sweet drinks. When I'm working the way I prefer to work, which is usually a physically active job, I slim down to a weight that while still overweight is fine by me because I definitely have muscle tone. When I'm not working, I can go up to 220, even though my diet doesn't change. Ok, it was worse then not working, I got put on bed-rest for a year, but I was certainly not staying in the damn bed ALL day. To me, it seems directly related to how much we do everyday.
Cars, TVs, and computers plus the rabid fear of the outside world that is prevalent among mothers...and my husband...have done just as much to make us fat as any specific food we eat.
I do have to agree though, I outlawed pop within my house, and my man has lost 20 lbs so far. I think we watched the same program, because it was one like that about the corn syrup in most foods that I saw.

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by knoxvillainswife

I honestly thought that it was because we simply do not get enough exercise. I've eaten fairly healthy my whole life, wild meat, home grown vegetables all summer, and I don't like sugary sweet drinks. When I'm working the way I prefer to work, which is usually a physically active job, I slim down to a weight that while still overweight is fine by me because I definitely have muscle tone. When I'm not working, I can go up to 220, even though my diet doesn't change. Ok, it was worse then not working, I got put on bed-rest for a year, but I was certainly not staying in the damn bed ALL day. To me, it seems directly related to how much we do everyday.
Cars, TVs, and computers plus the rabid fear of the outside world that is prevalent among mothers...and my husband...have done just as much to make us fat as any specific food we eat.
I do have to agree though, I outlawed pop within my house, and my man has lost 20 lbs so far. I think we watched the same program, because it was one like that about the corn syrup in most foods that I saw.

It is. I went from a sedentary job to an outdoors one and the pounds just fell off me. I drank soft drink all day long too.

We just aren't active enough in our everyday lives and it has to be something involving a real physical effort not just ,say, walking. I did that after I went back to an office job (about 3 miles a day) but the pounds went back on.

If anyone has any ideas on cheap exercise not involving gym memberships or expensive machines I'd be very interested to know of them.

[cijababe]

There are of course many other factors as you say, such as lack of exercise, but this is kind of a hidden cause. I too struggle with my weight and have reached a point where I really need to do some serious exercise to get to what is termed a healthy weight. It's mainly around my middle that I carry excess now, and thanks to this and other recent information, I know that's the very worst kind of fat to carry; the fat that accumulates around the internal organs (visceral), not just under the skin (subcutaneous).

I cook food from scratch, which thanks to modern lifestyles is becoming less common. My own kids barely know how to cook - being boys they aren't as interested in cooking and I always had a struggle with my youngest to get him to eat any vegetables. I've noticed him put on a lot of weight since he left home; he's probably existing on cheap processed food so next time he comes back I will be helping him to improve his skills in the kitchen.

Next time you reach for a ready made meal, read the list of ingredients - I'll bet sugar is in there somewhere, even if it's a savoury meal.

[Exxxie]

I have such a delicate digestive system I can barely eat most food out there without becoming sick!

That doesn't stop me from eating it though. Sometimes I wonder what additives are in the food. I definitely feel most of the food and drink out there on the shelves are unhealthy and full of additives slowly killing us.

I try my best to stick to fresh fruits and salads, but, damn, some food tastes so delicious! What do they put in it...*grumble*

[Prurient Purveyer]

Originally Posted by cijababe

There are of course many other factors as you say, such as lack of exercise, but this is kind of a hidden cause. I too struggle with my weight and have reached a point where I really need to do some serious exercise to get to what is termed a healthy weight. It's mainly around my middle that I carry excess now, and thanks to this and other recent information, I know that's the very worst kind of fat to carry; the fat that accumulates around the internal organs (visceral), not just under the skin (subcutaneous).

I cook food from scratch, which thanks to modern lifestyles is becoming less common. My own kids barely know how to cook - being boys they aren't as interested in cooking and I always had a struggle with my youngest to get him to eat any vegetables. I've noticed him put on a lot of weight since he left home; he's probably existing on cheap processed food so next time he comes back I will be helping him to improve his skills in the kitchen.

Next time you reach for a ready made meal, read the list of ingredients - I'll bet sugar is in there somewhere, even if it's a savoury meal.

If you can afford it get involved in doing iron man events. Seriously. Exercising for the sake of exercising is boring and most of us stop fairly quickly but the guy i worked for went from over 100 kgs to 78 ( he's about five eleven) and he is so damn fit. He's like that because he started training to do an iron man and he's never looked back.

And you're right, where you have it is the worst place.

[cijababe]

According to research, different parts of the brain are activated when looking at certain types of food - we react differently to 'comfort food' that is high in fat and sugar than to healthy food. Not rocket science, but quite literally food for thought.

[Pandorius999]

Originally Posted by cijababe

Just throwing this out there

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-making-us-fat

In brief, there was a programme on Channel 4 as well on UK TV all about the food industry. Our food is pumped full either of sugar or in the case of the US, with high fructose corn syrup made from all the maize that would in the past have gone to waste. The food industry is making money hand over fist and has an invested interest in suppressing and denying information as to how harmful sugar and particularly fructose is to the body, just as the tobacco industry suppressed and denied information on lung cancer. It explains the rise in obesity since the 1950s.

It's not just the increase in our reliance on processed food, but the increase in the amount of soft drinks we consume. I haven't researched it thoroughly myself but correct me if I'm wrong; Coca Cola in the US is made using corn syrup, whereas here in Europe it is still made with sugar. In any case it's a moot point as we still consume way more of it than is healthy.

I'd be extremely interested to start a debate here.

i thought semen consisted of sperms floating in a solution made primarily of sugars like fructose. does that mean blowjobs are harmful ?just asking for the women.

though seriously any industry that wants to make profit will at some time use stuff that's better for their pocket than your body. here we get serioulsy bad stuff like brick dust in chilli powder. that's for profit too.

[cijababe]

If you read the article, it says that sugar even sticks to the sperm of obese men. Here's an extract

According to Professor Jean-Marc Schwarz of San Francisco hospital, who is currently studying the precise way in which the major organs of the body metabolise sugar, this momentum creates "a tsunami" of sugar. The effect this has on different organs in the body is only now being understood by scientists. Around the liver, it coalesces as fat, leading to diseases such as type-2 diabetes. Other studies have found that sugar may even coat semen and result in obese men becoming less fertile. One researcher told me that, ultimately, perhaps nothing needs to be done about obesity, as obese people will wipe themselves out.

[Pandorius999]

ah um i meant err consuming semen ? you know through the buccal cavity down the throat sphincter eventually into the pool of HCl ? never mind obese men, they can wipe themselves out. :D

[cijababe]

I know Pandy, I'm just trying to keep the thread on track as I think it's extremely important..........

[Pandorius999]

okay sorry. i'll err....take a walk.

[cijababe]

Good idea. Raise your heart rate, burn some calories

[umpire2]

Originally Posted by cijababe

If you read the article, it says that sugar even sticks to the sperm of obese men. Here's an extract

You're extracting sperm from obese men???

[cijababe]

Errm that's not given me a very nice image Ump

[umpire2]

Seriously, I find exercise 'to exercise' boring, but I walk a lot. I wish I could still play spots the way I used to, but that is out, so I am admittedly not as 'fit' as I used to be, but I'm not fat.

A lot of this simply has to do with genes and metabolism, but I also do not drink soft drinks, I rarely eat junk food and I hardly ever eat candy (If pussy was fattening, I'd be doomed).

I would not at all call myself a health-food type, but I do like to cook my own food most of the time and I almost never buy processed dinners. I think that is where most of the problems are for people.

[umpire2]

Originally Posted by cijababe

Errm that's not given me a very nice image Ump

If you want nicer images, go to my profile page.

[thecaptian]

I am not a big sweets guy but I do eat my fair share of them. I have always been one to rather eat a home cooked meal then eat out. I just need to exercise more. Not that I am some fat ass of course.

[cijababe]

Originally Posted by umpire2

Seriously, I find exercise 'to exercise' boring, but I walk a lot. I wish I could still play spots the way I used to, but that is out, so I am admittedly not as 'fit' as I used to be, but I'm not fat.

A lot of this simply has to do with genes and metabolism, but I also do not drink soft drinks, I rarely eat junk food and I hardly ever eat candy (If pussy was fattening, I'd be doomed).

I would not at all call myself a health-food type, but I do like to cook my own food most of the time and I almost never buy processed dinners. I think that is where most of the problems are for people.

Sounds like you are doing things the right way Ump. But many of us lead sedentary lifestyles; we work at desks, we drive to work, and spend our leisure hours sitting at computers, games consoles or watching TV. Exercise should be part of life, not something we have to make time for.

[petenv]

I have lost weight by walking every 2 days. I walk on Las Vegas Blvd South from Treasure Island Hotel/Casino to Mandalay Bay and back. I lose a pound or two everytime.


pete

[thecaptian]

During the day or at night Pete?

Not exactly the coolest of places during the day.

[petenv]

Captian , I like to walk after 9:00 pm. It still hot at that time.

pete

[thecaptian]

That is very true. According to Google the temp is 87* right now.

Over here we are at 58*.

[umpire2]

Originally Posted by petenv

I have lost weight by walking every 2 days. I walk on Las Vegas Blvd South from Treasure Island Hotel/Casino to Mandalay Bay and back. I lose a pound or two everytime.


pete

Gambling with English money, eh?

[petenv]

Another good thing is watching the tourists make fools of them selves and bragging how they will own all the casinos, Yeah right.

pete

[sullygom]

A great subject here cija, one that I was very involved in when I was a wine importer...
Sugar + yeast = alcohol......pretty simple eh, but very rarely do winemakers let the all the sugar get converted as it would do naturally, they artificially stop the process often by adding sulphur in some form or other which kills the yeast. The end result being sugar remains in the wine as residual sugar....the amount of RS defines the dryness or sweetness of a wine, guess what level of sugar the most popular still table wines sold in supermarkets have.....yep highish,

for a French wine to be thought of as dry, it must contain no more than 2gms of residual sugar in the finished product....New World wines typically have between 3 to 6 times more and are still perceived to be dry !!!

Bad news for the "healthier" winos is that a lot of the bigger French producers are regaining market share by increasing sugar levels......this style of wine is often misleadingly called "fruit driven" when to be accurate it is "sweetened fruit driven".

A few years back it was agreed that any wine containing sulphites must be clearly labeled so....(something to do with the chance of a very bad anaphylactic reactions)
I suggest a healthier lifestyles could be further enhanced by the addition of sugar levels in wine.

[sullygom]

Originally Posted by sullygom

A great subject here cija, one that I was very involved in when I was a wine importer...
Sugar + yeast = alcohol......pretty simple eh, but very rarely do winemakers let the all the sugar get converted as it would do naturally, they artificially stop the process often by adding sulphur in some form or other which kills the yeast. The end result being sugar remains in the wine as residual sugar....the amount of RS defines the dryness or sweetness of a wine, guess what level of sugar the most popular still table wines sold in supermarkets have.....yep highish,

for a French wine to be thought of as dry, it must contain no more than 2gms of residual sugar in the finished product....New World wines typically have between 3 to 6 times more and are still perceived to be dry !!!

Bad news for the "healthier" winos is that a lot of the bigger French producers are regaining market share by increasing sugar levels......this style of wine is often misleadingly called "fruit driven" when to be accurate it is "sweetened fruit driven".

A few years back it was agreed that any wine containing sulphites must be clearly labeled so....(something to do with the chance of a very bad anaphylactic reactions)
I suggest a healthier lifestyles could be further enhanced by the addition of sugar levels in wine.

I tried to edit this, but was timed out by multiple pc crashes.....2gms RS in a litre of the finished product

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by petenv

I have lost weight by walking every 2 days. I walk on Las Vegas Blvd South from Treasure Island Hotel/Casino to Mandalay Bay and back. I lose a pound or two everytime.


pete

Now that is an interesting walk as long as you don't stop and watch the dancing fountains at the Bellagio.. or drop into Caesar's to bet a game and have a beer...

[L+R]

From 1:42

[petenv]

Randy , I sometimes will walk through the casinos if it's still to hot outside. That gives me a chance to talk to friends who I know that are working.

pete

[sullygom]

Originally Posted by sullygom

A great subject here cija, one that I was very involved in when I was a wine importer...
Sugar + yeast = alcohol......pretty simple eh, but very rarely do winemakers let the all the sugar get converted as it would do naturally, they artificially stop the process often by adding sulphur in some form or other which kills the yeast. The end result being sugar remains in the wine as residual sugar....the amount of RS defines the dryness or sweetness of a wine, guess what level of sugar the most popular still table wines sold in supermarkets have.....yep highish,

for a French wine to be thought of as dry, it must contain no more than 2gms of residual sugar in the finished product....New World wines typically have between 3 to 6 times more and are still perceived to be dry !!!

Bad news for the "healthier" winos is that a lot of the bigger French producers are regaining market share by increasing sugar levels......this style of wine is often misleadingly called "fruit driven" when to be accurate it is "sweetened fruit driven".

A few years back it was agreed that any wine containing sulphites must be clearly labeled so....(something to do with the chance of a very bad anaphylactic reactions)
I suggest a healthier lifestyles could be further enhanced by the addition of sugar levels in wine.

I tried to edit this, but was timed out by multiple pc crashes.....2gms RS in a litre of the finished product

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by petenv

Randy , I sometimes will walk through the casinos if it's still to hot outside. That gives me a chance to talk to friends who I know that are working.

pete

I do that also when I am out there....

Strange I go to las vegas for a week and always lose weight..
with all the food and all the booze I lose weight...

btw my condo is in the Jockey Club...

I have always liked being able to walk from the Luxor to NY NY almost all inside.

How many miles is it between Treasure Island and the Mandalay..

[knoxvillainswife]

Originally Posted by cijababe

According to research, different parts of the brain are activated when looking at certain types of food - we react differently to 'comfort food' that is high in fat and sugar than to healthy food. Not rocket science, but quite literally food for thought.

Have you seen the documentary explaining we're hardwired to want high calorie, high fat food? It was bred into us, as the more we got the bigger our brains got, and the easier it was to get rich food in the next generation.

[RandyKnight]

Good Article...I have know for a while that corn syrup in our food was bad but the article put it together nicely....

it is amazing how many of these train tanks move the stuff....I have seen mile long trains of it...

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by knoxvillainswife

Have you seen the documentary explaining we're hardwired to want high calorie, high fat food? It was bred into us, as the more we got the bigger our brains got, and the easier it was to get rich food in the next generation.

from the article...

the former head of the US government's most powerful food agency, the FDA, and the person responsible for introducing warnings on cigarette packets in the early 90s, believes that sugar, through its metabolisation by the gut and hence the brain, is extremely addictive, just like cigarettes or alcohol. He believes that sugar is hedonic – eating it is "highly pleasurable. It gives you this momentary bliss. When you're eating food that is highly hedonic, it sort of takes over your brain."

That is so true...I love chocolate Ice Cream and also fresh baked pastries...

Where I live there are way too many Mexican Bakeries and even when I fight to not eat Ice Cream there is a Mexican guy with his Ice Cream cart ringing the bell outside of my front gate....The damn stuff comes to me...

[arripio]

The bottom line is people eat too much and exercise too little. We take in more calories than our bodies use and the excess becomes fat. It's always easy to blame the corporations - and I agree that there are serious problems with the stuff we put into our foods - but the 'obesity epidemic' is caused by overconsumption and underexertion. There is a nutrition professor who lost almost 30 lbs. on a Twinkie diet (google it - I can't post links because I only have a few posts). Of course he had to take vitamin supplements, but it proved (to me at least) that your weight just has to do with how many calories you take in vs. how many you use.

As far as weight loss is concerned, it really doesn't matter what you eat, but how much of it.

Where the additives and fructose come into play are going to be in diabetes and cancer and that sort of thing.

[Lurch]

I think that sometimes obesity is inherited.

Check out this family reunion.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Lurch

I think that sometimes obesity is inherited.

Check out this family reunion.

But, But,...I prefer to inherit money....

[subboy]

Originally Posted by cijababe

Just throwing this out there

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-making-us-fat

In brief, there was a programme on Channel 4 as well on UK TV all about the food industry. Our food is pumped full either of sugar or in the case of the US, with high fructose corn syrup made from all the maize that would in the past have gone to waste. The food industry is making money hand over fist and has an invested interest in suppressing and denying information as to how harmful sugar and particularly fructose is to the body, just as the tobacco industry suppressed and denied information on lung cancer. It explains the rise in obesity since the 1950s.

It's not just the increase in our reliance on processed food, but the increase in the amount of soft drinks we consume. I haven't researched it thoroughly myself but correct me if I'm wrong; Coca Cola in the US is made using corn syrup, whereas here in Europe it is still made with sugar. In any case it's a moot point as we still consume way more of it than is healthy.

I'd be extremely interested to start a debate here.

I agree with what you say about the processed food, although I do enjoy Mc donalds and such, as rule of thumb I eat healthy, I used to be a 42 waist I am now a 29 waist, I run a lot, swim, work out in the gym etc, I think also peoples life styles have changed, cars are more popular, so were an office girl / bloke may have got the train or bus to work and gained from the walking to and from the station/ stop, the convenience of a car has removed that bit of exersise out of the life style.

If you walk for 1 hour every day (500 - 900 calories approximately) at a reasonable pace you will be able to maintain a slim figure, also, despite the food being un healthy, processed and so on, again it is convenience I think, we should make the effort to consiously eat better, but no one forces us to over eat or eat junk food, a good E.G is this.

Mc donalds, big mac, fries and coke for the drink is about 800 calories, after about an hour of having eaten you will feel hungry again. (as Cij said about sugared up sweetend foods)
although most of Mc Donalds calories are in the bread (being white bread it takes a long time for us to digest and isnt very filling.

Change that to Tuna Salad with Pasta, 600 calories (approx) fresh orange juice and a cup of tea 740 calories, this will keep you full and content for most of the day,

Buscuits 60 - 80 calories per biscuit ..... 4 buscuits 280 calories

Change that to grapes / orange and apple, strawberrys, far more tasty and you could eat hand fulls of fruit and not reach 280 calories also you will be much more content, your mood and concentration will be better, although yes I do love a chocolate buscuit with my cup of tea.

I enjoy working out and looking good, I don't exspect my girlfriend to look good for me and me not convern myself with how I look for her

Eat less move more !

I hope this give some food for thought (pardon the pun) I will keep track of this debate and will be happy to contribute on this topic.

If you do have a chocolate buscuit try this.

Get a Penguin, KitKat, or club type buscuit, bite both ends off the buscuit then suck your tea or coffe up through it like a straw, as it softens flip it in to your mouth using your tongue .......... Enjoy

[cijababe]

Originally Posted by arripio

The bottom line is people eat too much and exercise too little. We take in more calories than our bodies use and the excess becomes fat. It's always easy to blame the corporations - and I agree that there are serious problems with the stuff we put into our foods - but the 'obesity epidemic' is caused by overconsumption and underexertion. There is a nutrition professor who lost almost 30 lbs. on a Twinkie diet (google it - I can't post links because I only have a few posts). Of course he had to take vitamin supplements, but it proved (to me at least) that your weight just has to do with how many calories you take in vs. how many you use.

As far as weight loss is concerned, it really doesn't matter what you eat, but how much of it.

Where the additives and fructose come into play are going to be in diabetes and cancer and that sort of thing.

I still think it's more complex than simple food/exercise balance- see this extract.

Why are we so fat? We have not become greedier as a race. We are not, contrary to popular wisdom, less active – a 12-year study, which began in 2000 at Plymouth hospital, measured children's physical activity and found it the same as 50 years ago. But something has changed: and that something is very simple. It's the food we eat. More specifically, the sheer amount of sugar in that food, sugar we're often unaware of.

[cijababe]

The next time you go grocery shopping, look for hidden sugars in processed foods. Today I bought a pack of flavoured rice cakes - they weren't the most popular brand and I assumed that they were a healthy option, so I often use them for a snack when I'm feeling empty. Lo and behold fructose was in the list of ingredients. There are so many different forms of sugar - dextrose, glucose, fructose, sugar syrup to name a few, and I'd like to know how they affect the human body.

I've struggled with my weight since I had children, and one of my first thoughts on 'low fat' foods was - as is pointed out in the article - what replaces the fat? Foods labelled low fat are often tasteless, and if you are in the manufacturing industry you have to replace it with something, and that something is sugar, in one form or another.

I have a friend who a while ago was very ill, with typhoid of all things. It was a while before it was diagnosed and it did quite some damage to his digestive system. He was lucky to survive, and his eating habits are strange now to say the least. He can't tolerate sugar, and I well remember him coming to a party and asking me to check the pizza I was serving for sugar. I was astonished to find that it was indeed in the list of ingredients. I know that sugar is used to help the yeast in the dough grow, but I always assumed that it was all used up. Whether extra was added anyway to the sauce as well as to the dough I don't know, but it is alarming to think that it's added routinely to make it more palatable, and cheap.

[RandyKnight]

Corn Syrup is getting a bad name here in the US....



and maybe it should.....so the industry decided to rename it..

BUT............

Corn-based-sweetener manufacturers may be singing a sour tune today. The Food and Drug Administration just ruled that the ubiquitous high fructose corn syrup that sweetens many of our candies, sodas and snacks cannot be called "corn sugar." But much like Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator character, they'll probably be baaack.

Way back in September 2010, the Corn Refiners Associationpetitioned the FDA to allow it to call HFCS corn sugar instead, arguing that consumers have a bad impression of HFCS because of its complicated name.

The FDA, which decides what food labels can say, ruled that consumers would be too confused by the name change.


High fructose corn syrup is cheaper than regular sugar, and it became a popular choice for food companies decades ago. But during the past few years, its reputation has taken a beating.

FDA Rules Corn Syrup Can't Change Its Name To Corn Sugar


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/05/30/154009682/fda-rules-corn-syrup-cant-change-its-name-to-corn-sugar

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by cijababe

The next time you go grocery shopping, look for hidden sugars in processed foods. Today I bought a pack of flavoured rice cakes - they weren't the most popular brand and I assumed that they were a healthy option, so I often use them for a snack when I'm feeling empty. Lo and behold fructose was in the list of ingredients. There are so many different forms of sugar - dextrose, glucose, fructose, sugar syrup to name a few, and I'd like to know how they affect the human body.

I've struggled with my weight since I had children, and one of my first thoughts on 'low fat' foods was - as is pointed out in the article - what replaces the fat? Foods labelled low fat are often tasteless, and if you are in the manufacturing industry you have to replace it with something, and that something is sugar, in one form or another.

.

try this link when you have time....Sugar the Bitter truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

[cijababe]

Strangely enough someone sent me a link to this a couple of months ago; I'm ashamed to say that I didn't watch it all as it's 90 mins long, and I found his delivery grated after a while. I will persevere, thanks Randy

[NoTopNoCollar]

okay...I've done this game in another thread and it just so happens, my room mate used to eat this crap all the time:
In front of me, I have a box of Pasta Roni, Butter & Garlic flavor. What goes in butter and garlic flavored pasta in your house? Butter, garlic, maybe a touch of salt? This is what Pasta Roni lists as it's ingredients:

Wheat flour, partially hydrogenated palm oil**, whey, salt, "natural flavors", corn syrup*, autolyzed yeast extract*, corn starch-modified, garlic*, onions*, parsley*, chicken broth*, chicken fat, sodium caseinate, monosodium glutamate (msg), turmeric, disodium guanylate, disodium inosinate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, yellow5, yellow 6 lake, yellow 6, soy, lecithin, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid.

*dried
**adds a dietarily insignificant amount of trans fat

Here's the kicker...at least for some people I know, they will eat the entire box as a meal, maybe adding a salad drenched in ranch to go along with it...
SERVING size is 2oz dry or 1 cup cooked....that's right...ONE single measuring cup.
Servings per box: 2.5
Amount of calories PER SERVING: 250 (eating the whole box, you have consumed 750 calories, without your salad)
Now how about the carbs, sugars and SODIUM
one serving: 38g carbs, 2g sugars and (hold on to your seat) 680mg sodium
eating a whole box: 95g carbs, 5g sugars and (yep, holy fuck is right) 1700 mg of sodium.
That's from ONE SINGLE BOX of the lowest calorie, lowest sodium, variety that Pasta Roni sells.
1700 mg is over half of your recommended daily intake (2400 mg)
Now look at what you usually consume over a day and start reading the labels...
It's not just the sugar we consume, but the salt as well and what exactly is disodium guanylate, hm?

[cijababe]

Originally Posted by sullygom

A great subject here cija, one that I was very involved in when I was a wine importer...
Sugar + yeast = alcohol......pretty simple eh, but very rarely do winemakers let the all the sugar get converted as it would do naturally, they artificially stop the process often by adding sulphur in some form or other which kills the yeast. The end result being sugar remains in the wine as residual sugar....the amount of RS defines the dryness or sweetness of a wine, guess what level of sugar the most popular still table wines sold in supermarkets have.....yep highish,

for a French wine to be thought of as dry, it must contain no more than 2gms of residual sugar in the finished product....New World wines typically have between 3 to 6 times more and are still perceived to be dry !!!

Bad news for the "healthier" winos is that a lot of the bigger French producers are regaining market share by increasing sugar levels......this style of wine is often misleadingly called "fruit driven" when to be accurate it is "sweetened fruit driven".

A few years back it was agreed that any wine containing sulphites must be clearly labeled so....(something to do with the chance of a very bad anaphylactic reactions)
I suggest a healthier lifestyles could be further enhanced by the addition of sugar levels in wine.

Very interesting Sully; I have dabbled in making country wines so I understand it a little. Are you saying that wine producers are adding sugar, or are they using the natural sweetness of the grapes, just stopping the fermentation earlier to make the wine sweeter?

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by cijababe

Strangely enough someone sent me a link to this a couple of months ago; I'm ashamed to say that I didn't watch it all as it's 90 mins long, and I found his delivery grated after a while. I will persevere, thanks Randy

I prefer reading answers as to video at times....


I have also fought weight and the older one gets it becomes a harder battle...I am 10 years older than you are.

I know what to eat and how much but to a lot of people they do not study and it just slips up on them....when I gain weight it is my own fault.
I have always, when over weight, said to myself stop and lose it....but it is harder the older I get....

Years ago it was found that one of the reasons kids liked McDonalds was because everything they served they added corn syrup to it ..... Their bread had twice the calories of normal bread.

[sullygom]

Originally Posted by cijababe

Very interesting Sully; I have dabbled in making country wines so I understand it a little. Are you saying that wine producers are adding sugar, or are they using the natural sweetness of the grapes, just stopping the fermentation earlier to make the wine sweeter?

Both cija....one of the wine regions that adds sugar quite often is California !!! The big producers worldwide are not very communicative about the subject of residual and added sugar !!
I wrote to several of them about 7 years ago regarding the subject and not one would tell me what if any were the levels of residual sugar let alone whether they added it.!! i wonder why?

[knoxvillainswife]

@ NTNC while everything you have listed is wrong and i don't mean you typed it wrong, I mean that there is no reason to add most of that stuff when you could make it at home...whats scares me is the "Natural Flavour" you find in so many products you buy. I did some research...this is materials they don't have to reveal to you, supposedly aren't harmful, and are considered flavour enhancing or filler.
This is where it gets wierd...did you know that the prepackaged donuts you can buy in any convienance (sp?) store contain wood as a Natural Filler? Wood? And that in certain juices, mostly orange, it's beetle shells for taste? Namely, it's stuff that we cannot digest, and while it fills the stomach, it has no nutritional value and we start to eat even more to get our daily intake of needed vitamins, and then intake even more of the sugars. This is part of why they eat the whole package and still feel hungry...it's not thier stomach sending the signal for food anymore, it's our entire body looking for Iron, or calcium or other day-to-day necessities.

[NoTopNoCollar]

Hiya Knoxy

I'm sooooo throwing my mini doughnuts in the trash...not really....if I think of all the saw dust I inhaled, working in the woods and cutting firewood most of my adult life, I think the last thing I'm worried about is the filler.
However, in some cases, the listed ingredients are, as you said, just NOT RIGHT.
I read the label on a box of Kraft Mac-n-cheese once. My kids LOVED the stuff, but there is no way in hell, I'll ever buy another box of it.

My nutritional concerns are with the salts and sugars, as they tend to make my arthritis flare, even in warm, dry weather, and I'd rather do with less salt and sugar than deal with the painful swelling of my joints.

I think that not burning the calories we consume, no matter what, is the biggest danger to being overweight. Few of us realize just how many calories we take in, and how much we actually burn off. Beside the genetic metabolism factor. Mine is unusually high, my little sister's even higher (and she doesn't do much of anything). My aunts and cousins on my dad's side are all overweight, some to the point of being grotesquely obese. And they try so hard to "eat right". Watching all the day time soaps and the afternoon talk shows, doesn't keep the weight off, nor does it help them lose it.

Also, in the exercise agenda...if you want to drop weight, you have to do more exercise in the beginning to kick start the burning of the fat you've already accumulated....that doesn't seem to register with a lot of people trying to drop the pounds.