Obama frees the dream kids

[shootersa]

So I see here where Obama issued an edict that illegal immigrants, brought here by their parents when they were younger than 16 can get a work visa good for 2 years if they meet other requirements.

He emphasizes; this is not a road to legal status.

Huh. I guess this is what he means by "hope and change"

To borrow a phrase from Rich........................


























































TWAT

[clarise]

Originally Posted by shootersa

So I see here where Obama issued an edict that illegal immigrants, brought here by their parents when they were younger than 16 can get a work visa good for 2 years if they meet other requirements.

He emphasizes; this is not a road to legal status.

Huh. I guess this is what he means by "hope and change"

To borrow a phrase from Rich........................



TWAT

Where are all the blowhards now, eh shooter???

But that's not what I want to know.

I don't even want to know where Obama gets off trying to rule, by decree, on a policy that he couldn't even pass when he had both houses of Congress in his pocket.

Here's what I want to know:

How the bleep can this dipweed, who supposedly studied Constitutional Law at Harvard and edited the Harvard Law Review--- how the bleep-- no, screw the nicey-nice language-- how in goddamned fucking hell can this cognitively deprived jerkoff not know that this country has a system of laws AND IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE MONARCHY?

(breathe)

There. That is what I want to know.

[CFH420]

So the people who work have to pay for school, but the people who come here illegally get a free ride? This is only happening in Cali I assume, that shit wouldn't fly over here.

[shootersa]

Oh no...........this is nationwide...........Dream Kids won't be deported. unless they are criminals. Says so right here in the paperwork..............

Course, by criminal they mean felons. You know, "bad" dream kids. And miscreants.......you know, the ones who spit onna sidewalk a lot. Or sumpin. I dunno how they're going to work this out. Except that being here illegally in the first place doesn't count. You know. Cause it isn't their fault.

I mean, how does this fit into your definition of "hope and change"?

The prez is gonna mess around and loose this election, he doesn't get his poop inna group. Fast.

[richief]

So you moan when they work in the black economy and pay no taxes and moan when they work in the open and pay taxes.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by richief

So you moan when they work in the black economy and pay no taxes and moan when they work in the open and pay taxes.

But we don't moan when they are mowing the yard for 3 bucks an hour....

[McDick]

This is an act of desperation by Obama who is seeing his chances of reelection go down the toilet. He knows amnesty for illegals isn't popular. Normally he wouldn't do this as it will likely do him more harm than good. It's not likely that giving up to 800,000 work visas to illegals at this time will be very popular amongst people looking for work. Maybe he figures he's lost the support of anyone looking for work anyway.

But he's terribly desperate right now. Everything has been going wrong for him. He's running out of good options so he's now trying stuff like this to get the numbers to move in his direction. So although this will probably hurt him in the polls, he has try something.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by McDick

This is an act of desperation by Obama who is seeing his chances of reelection go down the toilet. He knows amnesty for illegals isn't popular. Normally he wouldn't do this as it will likely do him more harm than good. It's not likely that giving up to 800,000 work visas to illegals at this time will be very popular amongst people looking for work. Maybe he figures he's lost the support of anyone looking for work anyway.

But he's terribly desperate right now. Everything has been going wrong for him. He's running out of good options so he's now trying stuff like this to get the numbers to move in his direction. So although this will probably hurt him in the polls, he has try something.

He is getting everything ready to rebuild the army so Mitt can invade Iran....

Right now they are committing suicide as fast as we can sign them up......

[NoOneFamous]

Saint Ronnie Raygun granted amnesty to a few million illegal aliens. It was wrong for him to do it and it is wrong for Obama to do it.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Saint Ronnie Raygun granted amnesty to a few million illegal aliens. It was wrong for him to do it and it is wrong for Obama to do it.

Ahh, hell.

Whenever someone points out that our Glorious Leader does not walk on water, there always seems to be someone eager to show us that the rightwing conservative teabagger republicans did it first.

But forget the old bit about two wrongs making a right. That's not the point.

The outrage here is not that 800,000 sons and daughters of wetbacks are going to push legal immigrants to the back of the line.

The real outrage is how he did it.

"Ronny Raygun" did not grant amnesty to illegals.

President Ronald Reagan, working in cooperation with the House and Senate, drafted and passed constitutionally consistent legislation that granted amnesty to illegals.

Our Glorious Leader has defied the Judicial Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the will of the people by declaring policy through imperial fiat, just days before the Supreme Court is expected to overturn Eric Holder's bullshit challenge to Arizona's new inspection laws.

Who the fuck does he think he is?

[Heyesey]

Y'know, I never realised there were so many Native Americans posting on this board.

[Heisenberg]

That guy is toast... Every moves he makes, he steps on his own dick! The union guys are starting to get pissed now, because they are the ones that are going to suffer. Jobs,jobs,jobs!!!! He just doesnt get it...too many dead brain cells.

[Heisenberg]

Check your facts!

[Heisenberg]

Originally Posted by richief

So you moan when they work in the black economy and pay no taxes and moan when they work in the open and pay taxes.

I believe this is an American matter...You are not allowed to dictate American policy or we would be totally fucked!

[NoOneFamous]

George W Bush issued almost 300 Executive Orders, were you outraged then?

[ericblue]

Originally Posted by clarise

The real outrage is how he did it.

"Ronny Raygun" did not grant amnesty to illegals.

President Ronald Reagan, working in cooperation with the House and Senate, drafted and passed constitutionally consistent legislation that granted amnesty to illegals.

Our Glorious Leader has defied the Judicial Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the will of the people by declaring policy through imperial fiat, just days before the Supreme Court is expected to overturn Eric Holder's bullshit challenge to Arizona's new inspection laws.

Who the fuck does he think he is?

Presidents are allowed to do a lot of things simply by executive order. You can't not know that. Eisenhower federalizing the troops, Nixon taking us off the gold standard. Not one consultation with Congress. Shocking!

Since I don't believe any of the news stories is questioning the legality of the move, you appear to be barking up the wrong tree. You might remember the recess appointments he recently made, arguably something he couldn't do because Republicans were technically keeping Congress in session. Republicans were up in arms...and the press reported it right along. Until you see real-life Republicans questioning the legality of this move, feel free to shelve your pretend-life position as a constitutional expert.

[Distant Lover]

I disapprove of what President Obama did, and think it is a bad move politically.

A plurality of Americans want immigration to be decreased. A rather small minority favor an increase.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx#1

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Saint Ronnie Raygun granted amnesty to a few million illegal aliens. It was wrong for him to do it and it is wrong for Obama to do it.

Nice of you to insert your two cents,on this issue,,,,NOW,, tell the rest of the story,,Obama is doing it to gain votes for leftists,,Reagan did it, because the leftists pulled the wool over his eyes.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Nice of you to insert your two cents,on this issue,,,,NOW,, tell the rest of the story,,Obama is doing it to gain votes for leftists,,Reagan did it, because the leftists pulled the wool over his eyes.

Reagan did it because the employer - investor class which determines Republican policy likes to import cheap labor in order to drive down wages of Americans who were born here.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Nice of you to insert your two cents,on this issue,,,,NOW,, tell the rest of the story,,Obama is doing it to gain votes for leftists,,Reagan did it, because the leftists pulled the wool over his eyes.

Just goes to show how mentally incompetent Reagan was doesn't it?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shootersa

So I see here where Obama issued an edict that illegal immigrants, brought here by their parents when they were younger than 16 can get a work visa good for 2 years if they meet other requirements.

He emphasizes; this is not a road to legal status.

Huh. I guess this is what he means by "hope and change"

To borrow a phrase from Rich........................

Is a work visa "amnesty"?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Nice of you to insert your two cents,on this issue,,,,NOW,, tell the rest of the story,,Obama is doing it to gain votes for leftists,,Reagan did it, because the leftists pulled the wool over his eyes.

Oh bullshit Ace. Sometimes I can't help but laugh at your paranoid delusions and political ignorance. Alan K Simpson was one of the sponsors of the amnesty act and it was a conservative/Republican drive to once and for all end the illegal immigration problem.

Of course back then Ronald Reagan had ran the economy off a cliff and allowed the looting of the savings and loan industry and unemployment was rising so naturally they blamed illegal immigration.

However, as soon as the economy picked up, and there were distinct advantages to a low paid illegal work force those same Republicans turned around and cut Immigration funding by 90% and threw the borders wide open again.

And so we find ourselves right back where we were before. Trying to blame immigrants because the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers allowed out economy to be looted and caused the Great Recession.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Is a work visa "amnesty"?

If they are here illegally then the answer is YES

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Oh bullshit Ace. Sometimes I can't help but laugh at your paranoid delusions and political ignorance. Alan K Simpson was one of the sponsors of the amnesty act and it was a conservative/Republican drive to once and for all end the illegal immigration problem.

Of course back then Ronald Reagan had ran the economy off a cliff and allowed the looting of the savings and loan industry and unemployment was rising so naturally they blamed illegal immigration.

However, as soon as the economy picked up, and there were distinct advantages to a low paid illegal work force those same Republicans turned around and cut Immigration funding by 90% and threw the borders wide open again.

And so we find ourselves right back where we were before. Trying to blame immigrants because the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers allowed out economy to be looted and caused the Great Recession.

Reagan signed amnesty by leftists trickery,,,Reagan
signed the amnesty bill based on the promise of secured borders. The left failed to even want to try,,,all the left did was secure more illegal votes for themselves

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Just goes to show how mentally incompetent Reagan was doesn't it?

NO,,,it just shows us today,,,the leftists were lying bastards even back then.

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Reagan did it because the employer - investor class which determines Republican policy likes to import cheap labor in order to drive down wages of Americans who were born here.

Thats a thorough leftist/socialist concocted talking point,,try again.


All in all,, Reagan DID NOT use 'executive order' to enact the bill,,like the dictator/communist/leftist/socialist pansy ass did.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

George W Bush issued almost 300 Executive Orders, were you outraged then?

Oh. Not Reagan, then. So let's do the "two wrongs make a right thing" with 'W'. Fine.

You mean the 300 orders that he executed as Commander of Chief, under the aegis of war powers, in the conduct of two wars? And the approval of which he received by overwhelming majority not only by both chambers of Congress but also by the United Nations? Those orders? No. Not outraged by them.

Or are you referring to the stipulations of the Patriot Act, which despite arguably falling under War Powers, he also created in cooperation with Congress (on which its implementation depends for funding) and for which the Supreme Court provided vetting at every stage? No. Not enraged by that. Although I do have to admit I'm kind of pissed off these days, since neither the lamestream press nor the leftist moonbats complain about the Patriot Act anymore, even though under Obama it has bloated to fifty times the size and is being housed in facilities, currently under construction, that will dwarf the Pentagon, the NSA headquarters, and the CIA quarters combined.

Now we have pulled out of Iraq, and we are in the process of withdrawing from Afghanistan. W's "illegal wars" are ending, yet the government is persisting an apparatus that will allow it to watch and control every single American, as we sleep in our beds. The Patriot Act has morphed into a monster that W and Cheney did not intend and never could have conceived. Yet it is racist to talk about it, and no one covers it, because criticism of Our Beloved Messiah is unseemly.

Shout-out to Eric-Blue: yes, I know presidents have executive powers. What's your point? (see above)

[clarise]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

If they are here illegally then the answer is YES

+1

Sheesh. I'm ranting at you, and I think we actually agree.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Thats a thorough leftist/socialist concocted talking point,,try again.

It just happens to be the truth. The Republican Party exists to advance the economic interests of the richest ten percent of the country. What else they talk about is designed to win the votes of white who are not rich, and who consequently do not benefit from Republican economic policies.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

It just happens to be the truth. The Republican Party exists to advance the economic interests of the richest ten percent of the country. What else they talk about is designed to win the votes of white who are not rich, and who consequently do not benefit from Republican economic policies.

Sorry to butt in here, but this needs-be-said: sometimes I am mystified that you and Stumbler no longer get along, because you're like frick and frack.

When President Ronald Reagan and two houses of Congress legislate amnesty, it's to line the pockets of the 1% and fill their stables with slaves.

Yet when President Barack Obama defies the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the people by waving his scepter and pronouncing amnesty, as though he were Napoleon Bonaparte reborn, it's because of the goodness of his big-ol' heart.

Sheesh. For once in your lives, listen to yourselves.

[clarise]

And one more thing.

Three years ago, Obama, Pelosi and Reid had complete control over the executive and legislative branches, and they could not get this done under our system of laws.

Now, three years later, it did not have to be this way.

Obama and his people could have worked with Congress and could have come to a bipartisan agreement. Rubio is working on an amnesty bill that is substantially similar to Obama's edict.

But Herr Barack did not want to work with Congress, and he did not want to share a bipartisan success. He did this, now, to snub Rubio, so he would be able to use this issue as a wedge in his campaign, later this summer, to kiss the ass of Larazza and the Hispanic vote.

That is why he did it.

That is the ONLY reason why he did it.

To call him Napoleon Bonaparte is unfair, because he is too fucking stupid to have the slightest comprehension of what he has done. The man is a cynical, narcissistic, hypocritical moron with an Affirmative Action law degree who knows nothing about the Constitution of this country and has only the barest comprehension of the roles of the Judicial and Legislative branches.

But, he'll be getting a hard education this week. Arizona Monday, and Obamacare next week. Hang onto your hats, folks. We are about to see the Messiah go into an ungodly tizzy.

[ericblue]

Originally Posted by clarise

Shout-out to Eric-Blue: yes, I know presidents have executive powers. What's your point? (see above)

None of 'the above' did anything to mitigate my point.

Originally Posted by clarise

Although I do have to admit I'm kind of pissed off these days, since neither the lamestream press nor the leftist moonbats complain about the Patriot Act anymore, even though under Obama it has bloated to fifty times the size and is being housed in facilities, currently under construction, that will dwarf the Pentagon, the NSA headquarters, and the CIA quarters combined.

The 'leftist moonbats' don't get to go on Meet the Press. Centrist DCCC weasels do. Try and learn the difference. We actually had a couple of 'lm's'* running for prez in '08, but of course they were marginalized every bit as much as Ron Paul was.

The media? Cowards, mostly, in the face of the rise of the security state, as if you saw them put up much of a stink during W's years. But there was a good series by the WaPost in about '07 on how enormous the security state had grown since 9/11. A horrific story not followed up by the Sunday shows. But it negates your 'Obama grew the security state' nonsense. Obama is no friend of civil liberties. But it doesn't help, you being so ignorant of the chronology, and the culprits. Oh wait, your fantasy narrative is just getting started...

Originally Posted by clarise

W's "illegal wars" are ending, yet the government is persisting an apparatus that will allow it to watch and control every single American, as we sleep in our beds. The Patriot Act has morphed into a monster that W and Cheney did not intend and never could have conceived.

You must think you're talking to children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_I...tion_Awareness

I like where it says at the bottom that Safire, that right-wing douchebag, 'has been credited with triggering the anti-TIA movement.' Yeah, THAT'S how it went. TIA so shocked the public that the right wing must've put Safire up to 'protesting' it under the old adage, 'if you're being run out of town, make it look like you're leading a parade.'

*p.s. I saw my error of writing 'lc' instead of 'lm' for leftist moonbat. Corrected, and hope I didn't confuse anybody.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by clarise

+1

Sheesh. I'm ranting at you, and I think we actually agree.

Can I help it if I have liberal and conservative views?

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

When President Ronald Reagan and two houses of Congress legislate amnesty, it's to line the pockets of the 1% and fill their stables with slaves.

Yet when President Barack Obama defies the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the people by waving his scepter and pronouncing amnesty, as though he were Napoleon Bonaparte reborn, it's because of the goodness of his big-ol' heart.

Sheesh. For once in your lives, listen to yourselves.

Please read this slowly, until you are aware of what I mean by every syllable:

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I disapprove of what President Obama did, and think it is a bad move politically.

A plurality of Americans want immigration to be decreased. A rather small minority favor an increase.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx#1

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sorry to butt in here, but this needs-be-said: sometimes I am mystified that you and Stumbler no longer get along, because you're like frick and frack.

stumbler used to be on my Friends' List. He left in a huff when I praised deidre79, Israel, or Charles Murray. I forget which. Still, I like the guy, and would miss him if he left.

[richief]

Originally Posted by McDick

This is an act of desperation by Obama who is seeing his chances of reelection go down the toilet. He knows amnesty for illegals isn't popular. Normally he wouldn't do this as it will likely do him more harm than good. It's not likely that giving up to 800,000 work visas to illegals at this time will be very popular amongst people looking for work. Maybe he figures he's lost the support of anyone looking for work anyway.

But he's terribly desperate right now. Everything has been going wrong for him. He's running out of good options so he's now trying stuff like this to get the numbers to move in his direction. So although this will probably hurt him in the polls, he has try something.

So if I get a work visa for a 2 year period I can vote in US elections?

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I believe this is an American matter...You are not allowed to dictate American policy or we would be totally fucked!

I believe this is an open forum so expect people of all nations to post here, if you don't like it you can always fuck off.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I believe this is an American matter...You are not allowed to dictate American policy or we would be totally fucked!

Even richief's opinion occasionally has value.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by richief

So if I get a work visa for a 2 year period I can vote in US elections?



I believe this is an open forum so expect people of all nations to post here, if you don't like it you can always fuck off.

No a work visa does not allow the holder to vote in US elections or take advantage of many other rights and privileges afforded to citizens.

Which makes the hysterics calling this "amnesty" just laughable.

[xnxxbob]

So...........we can still deport the wetback parents........right?

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sorry to butt in here, but this needs-be-said: sometimes I am mystified that you and Stumbler no longer get along, because you're like frick and frack.

When President Ronald Reagan and two houses of Congress legislate amnesty, it's to line the pockets of the 1% and fill their stables with slaves.

Yet when President Barack Obama defies the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the people by waving his scepter and pronouncing amnesty, as though he were Napoleon Bonaparte reborn, it's because of the goodness of his big-ol' heart.

Sheesh. For once in your lives, listen to yourselves.

it is all for the vote...

When Romney said he would build a border fence high as the sky and as dangerous as an electric eel the Latinos were listening...

seems Latinos might just be the swing vote...

Obama figured this out..

Let's see what Romney's next move is....

[xnxxbob]

Older, legal immigrants tend to vote GOP. Younger,illegal immigrants tend to vote democrat.

Dead people ALWAYS tend to vote democrat.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by xnxxbob

Older, legal immigrants tend to vote GOP. Younger,illegal immigrants tend to vote democrat.

Illegal immigrants tend not to vote at all because their names won't be on the electoral register, because they're illegal.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by clarise

Oh. Not Reagan, then. So let's do the "two wrongs make a right thing" with 'W'. Fine.

You mean the 300 orders that he executed as Commander of Chief, under the aegis of war powers, in the conduct of two wars? And the approval of which he received by overwhelming majority not only by both chambers of Congress but also by the United Nations? Those orders? No. Not outraged by them.

Or are you referring to the stipulations of the Patriot Act, which despite arguably falling under War Powers, he also created in cooperation with Congress (on which its implementation depends for funding) and for which the Supreme Court provided vetting at every stage? No. Not enraged by that. Although I do have to admit I'm kind of pissed off these days, since neither the lamestream press nor the leftist moonbats complain about the Patriot Act anymore, even though under Obama it has bloated to fifty times the size and is being housed in facilities, currently under construction, that will dwarf the Pentagon, the NSA headquarters, and the CIA quarters combined.

Now we have pulled out of Iraq, and we are in the process of withdrawing from Afghanistan. W's "illegal wars" are ending, yet the government is persisting an apparatus that will allow it to watch and control every single American, as we sleep in our beds. The Patriot Act has morphed into a monster that W and Cheney did not intend and never could have conceived. Yet it is racist to talk about it, and no one covers it, because criticism of Our Beloved Messiah is unseemly.

Shout-out to Eric-Blue: yes, I know presidents have executive powers. What's your point? (see above)

Minor nitpick - there is no such thing as Commander of Chief, now there is Commander-in-Chief.

[xnxxbob]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Illegal immigrants tend not to vote at all because their names won't be on the electoral register, because they're illegal.

Tell that to B1 Bob Dornan.

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by richief

So you moan when they work in the black economy and pay no taxes and moan when they work in the open and pay taxes.

No, I moan that they are here illegally and are not sent back where they came from, to stand in line with the rest of those who want to live here.

And your post about the ability to vote; no, they can't vote when here on a work visa. At least, that's what Obama said..............

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Reagan did it because the employer - investor class which determines Republican policy likes to import cheap labor in order to drive down wages of Americans who were born here.

How silly. Once someone took advantage of amnesty they would no longer be "cheap imported labor". But, you knew that.

[richief]

Originally Posted by shootersa

No, I moan that they are here illegally and are not sent back where they came from, to stand in line with the rest of those who want to live here.

And your post about the ability to vote; no, they can't vote when here on a work visa. At least, that's what Obama said..............

I agree with the repatriation, but like most countries there will be a drawn out appeals process, and while this is happening do you want them to be living off the states buck or out working and paying their way?

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

it is all for the vote...

When Romney said he would build a border fence high as the sky and as dangerous as an electric eel the Latinos were listening...

seems Latinos might just be the swing vote...

Obama figured this out..

Let's see what Romney's next move is....

The thing is, Latinos here legally; native born OR legal immigrants; pretty much universally oppose anything that gives illegal emigrants rights or breaks. Their attitude is pretty much that illegals give them a bad name, and they should go stand in line with the rest instead of sneaking in.

Obama's motivation for this one is a mystery to me. It can't be to garner votes; he already has the leftist vacuum head vote, this will cost him Latino votes without gaining any from the immigrant vote, and he has given the right a mighty big hammer to get whacked with.

If it ain't to garner votes, then what motivated him? His action is an "in your face" to congress, but he's already done that move several times.

It can't be money; illegals send their money home.

Its not about the "right thing" to do; it's like giving trespassers a free ticket to walk around our house, wearing our underwear, and eating our food.

So, I wonder, the fuck was he thinking?

[richief]

Originally Posted by shootersa

The thing is, Latinos here legally; native born OR legal immigrants; pretty much universally oppose anything that gives illegal emigrants rights or breaks. Their attitude is pretty much that illegals give them a bad name, and they should go stand in line with the rest instead of sneaking in.

Obama's motivation for this one is a mystery to me. It can't be to garner votes; he already has the leftist vacuum head vote, this will cost him Latino votes without gaining any from the immigrant vote, and he has given the right a mighty big hammer to get whacked with.

If it ain't to garner votes, then what motivated him? His action is an "in your face" to congress, but he's already done that move several times.

It can't be money; illegals send their money home.

Its not about the "right thing" to do; it's like giving trespassers a free ticket to walk around our house, wearing our underwear, and eating our food.

So, I wonder, the fuck was he thinking?

The trespassers are already wandering around your house and eating your food, this will stop them and force them into the arena where they pay taxes thus relieving you of the burden of feeding them.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by xnxxbob

Older, legal immigrants tend to vote GOP. Younger,illegal immigrants tend to vote democrat.

Dead people ALWAYS tend to vote democrat.

You are a liar.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by xnxxbob

Older, legal immigrants tend to vote GOP. Younger,illegal immigrants tend to vote democrat.

Dead people ALWAYS tend to vote democrat.

Yes, that is 100% true!

[RandyKnight]

BUT...BUT....we need them !!!