So why should I vote for Romney?

[NoOneFamous]

Serious question folks.

[ace's n 8's]

SERIOUS ANSWER;

We already know what the present president ''CAN'T DO'', let's find out what Romney will try to do,,,I dont care much for Romney, but I care even less for Obama as president,, but I bet Obama is a swell fella.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

SERIOUS ANSWER;

We already know what the present president ''CAN'T DO'', let's find out what Romney will try to do,,,I dont care much for Romney, but I care even less for Obama as president,, but I bet Obama is a swell fella.

Ok Ace, I'll agree to look at this with you. So you go ahead and tell me what Mitt Romney "will do" if he gets elected president?

[Yikes_Run!!]

They both suck.... but our current C.I.C. hasnt had too much decent domestic policy. Illegaly forcing healthcare adjendas, and doing more for Illinois than the rest of populus. and he spends more time flaunting that he is in office more than he does actually doing the job.

Romney's healthcare in massachusets is bankrupt... and he sucks as a person.
atleast Mit keeps his head in the game, rather than on the links

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Yikes_Run!!

They both suck.... but our current C.I.C. hasnt had too much decent domestic policy. Illegaly forcing healthcare adjendas, and doing more for Illinois than the rest of populus. and he spends more time flaunting that he is in office more than he does actually doing the job.

Romney's healthcare in massachusets is bankrupt... and he sucks as a person.
atleast Mit keeps his head in the game, rather than on the links

OK then maybe you can tell me. What specifically is Romney saying he would do if elected?

[richief]

what are Romney's policies, we all know of Obama's but what as Mitt promised, and what do you believe is his hidden agenda because some of his religious views bother me and I don't live there.

One thing for sure though, Mitt will not get a "No Peace Prize" if he gets elected in.

[Yikes_Run!!]

Originally Posted by stumbler

OK then maybe you can tell me. What specifically is Romney saying he would do if elected?

Nope! not a damn thing I can say about what he wants to do besides beat all the other guys in the election. lol... when september hits and he is the desided candidate. then I will look for what he wants to promis. but nothing as of now.

Obama just needs to go if all he is going to do is sit arround and have "beer summits" and appoligise for being American to the middle east.

No president has EVER bowed to a dignitary from anywhere... something our respected C.I.C does all the time its disgracefull

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

SERIOUS ANSWER;

We already know what the present president ''CAN'T DO'', let's find out what Romney will try to do,,,I dont care much for Romney, but I care even less for Obama as president,, but I bet Obama is a swell fella.

OK, but we also saw what he did to Massachusetts, why allow him to do that on a national level?

Will he cut the defense budget?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Yikes_Run!!

Nope! not a damn thing I can say about what he wants to do besides beat all the other guys in the election. lol... when september hits and he is the desided candidate. then I will look for what he wants to promis. but nothing as of now.

Obama just needs to go if all he is going to do is sit arround and have "beer summits" and appoligise for being American to the middle east.

No president has EVER bowed to a dignitary from anywhere... something our respected C.I.C does all the time its disgracefull

I don't want to derail this thread but you are believing and spouting out and out lies about President Obama. Obviously only believing the false propaganda cranked out by the right wing noise machine.

Facts Puncture The Myth That Obama "Apologies" Have Ruined U.S. Standing

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202280007

Ted Cruz says Obama made “a worldwide apology tour”

Our ruling

Obama made no secret during the campaign that he intended to set a different course on foreign policy than Bush -- a committed unilateralist -- had pursued.

Yet it’s incorrect to portray these early speeches as part of a global apology tour. Using this standard, you could argue that any change in foreign policy that’s undertaken after a presidential transition and announced to the world would constitute an "apology" for the previous policy.

Obama's speeches contained criticisms of past U.S. actions, but not one full-throated apology. Cruz’s debate claim is so far off the mark, it’s ridiculous. Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...-apology-tour/

And if you can't believe what Romney says now who can you possibly believe what he says later? That just seems like a really irrational and illogical approach to me.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by Yikes_Run!!

They both suck.... but our current C.I.C. hasnt had too much decent domestic policy. Illegaly forcing healthcare adjendas, and doing more for Illinois than the rest of populus. and he spends more time flaunting that he is in office more than he does actually doing the job.

Romney's healthcare in massachusets is bankrupt... and he sucks as a person.
atleast Mit keeps his head in the game, rather than on the links

Obamacare is illegal? Have you heard something from the USSC that no one else has?

[umpire2]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Serious question folks.

Serious answer:

If you are totally un-American, don't give a rats ass about economic recovery for anyone but multi-millionaires and you don't mind have a brainless twat in the White House, Romney is your boy.

We did this once in recent memory: Had an intelligent, well-intentioned President (Bill Clinton) and followed him with a boob who could not find his way out of an elevator with a map.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by richief

what are Romney's policies, we all know of Obama's but what as Mitt promised, and what do you believe is his hidden agenda because some of his religious views bother me and I don't live there.

One thing for sure though, Mitt will not get a "No Peace Prize" if he gets elected in.

Obama did nothing to deserve his Peace Prize

[clarise]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Obama did nothing to deserve his Peace Prize

I hate Romney. I won't belabor the damage he did to Massachusetts. I will not vote for him.

However, you asked for a reason to vote for him, and I'll give you one.

He says on his campaign plank that he will cut federal bureaucracy and pare down redundancy, and you can believe him on that one. I doubt he will get much accomplished, but he really does intend it. For instance, in Massachusetts he slashed hundreds of pork jobs by merging two hack agencies, the Metro District Commission Police (MDC) and the Department of Environmental Management Police (DEM) into the State Police. Perhaps there were even four agencies involved, because there was a special state police detachment called the Capitol Police, which essentially staffed the State Superior Court, and that agency is gone now, too.

These were phenomenally unpopular measures with the state workers, as you can perhaps imagine, and he burned most of his local political capital doing it.

He also waged a crusade (pardon the expression) against the local highway czar, Matthew "Fat Matt" Amarillo. The Big Dig budget prior to Romney had ballooned from $5 billion to $17 billion, and Amarillo wanted to jack it up again with new bond issues to the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority, but Romney held the line. Costs went up somewhat under his term, but nowhere near what they would have done.

And then, when concrete started falling from the ceiling of the new $17 billion tunnel and killed a woman, Romney took charge, publicly and visibly, in a way that briefly boosted his popularity. His leadership and crisis management skills during that period were, dare I say it, reminiscent of Giuliani.

But he waffles, and he screws up as a result. He dithered on the Civil Unions issue until the state Supreme Court had to intervene, and that is why the nation now has gay marriage. He screwed around with healthcare and deferred overmuch to so-called "experts" who were in fact heavily leaning theoretical economists at MIT with no experience whatsoever in health cost mitigation, and thus we have Romneycare and its gigantic big brother, Obamacare (though hopefully not for long).

He is doing the same thing now with the immigration issue. Taking too much time to sit back and see the way the wind is blowing. Missing opportunities.

As I said, I hate the man. I don't know what I will do in November. But I won't vote for Romney. If the country is going to tank, I would rather see Obama carry us into the abyss than a so-called Republican.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by umpire2

Serious answer:

If you are totally un-American, don't give a rats ass about economic recovery for anyone but multi-millionaires and you don't mind have a brainless twat in the White House, Romney is your boy.

We did this once in recent memory: Had an intelligent, well-intentioned President (Bill Clinton) and followed him with a boob who could not find his way out of an elevator with a map.

I won't vote for Romney, and I think he'd make a poor president, and I could go on forever as to why. But this pablum-puking crap is not it. Not even close. Romney in fact is a nice guy. And so is his wife. And so are their kids.

[Empress Lainie]

He is a member of the Mormon cult that practices hatred of minorities.
He is opposed to freedom of choice in anything, the gov should tell you what to do.
He is a billionaire and everything he will do will help the corporations at the expense of the middle class which they want to eliminate.
He will use his religious views in his office as other religious bigots also do.
You might see prohibition again, and coffee could be banned as too unhealthful and addictive.
Maybe the non Mormons will be sent to the Mohave Death Camp.

(This is maybe the most inflammatory post I ever made.....BUT my livelihood and life were destroyed by this very so-called religion's members, one of whom used his religion in his office at EEOC to stop my very valid suit against the City of Las Vegas where another M person had me fired for no other reason except my transition. They preach that we are abominations, and I am sure would like to burn us and all gays and lesbians and intersexed people at the stake, and don't forget their official bias against black members until it was made illegal. They had to accept gay members finally because they had so many of them. So will Romney if elected turn back the Civil Rights Act too?)

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Ok Ace, I'll agree to look at this with you. So you go ahead and tell me what Mitt Romney "will do" if he gets elected president?

I have no idea what Romney will do,, you have no idea what Romney will do,,finally,, Romney has no idea what Romney will do.. I do know, if the right takes the senate and keeps the house, the left is fucked.

The left has not full filled their 'promise' of a recovery, but the funding of those food stamps and unemployment benefits keep on comin'

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

OK, but we also saw what he did to Massachusetts, why allow him to do that on a national level?

You mean that Romney has a past,, a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed??,, what past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, for Obama, before he was elected as president??,, Obama damned sure has a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, today, as a failure.

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Will he cut the defense budget?

I have no idea, campaign rhetoric is cheap talk.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by umpire2

Serious answer:

If you are totally un-American, don't give a rats ass about economic recovery for anyone but multi-millionaires and you don't mind have a brainless twat in the White House, Romney is your boy.

We did this once in recent memory: Had an intelligent, well-intentioned President (Bill Clinton) and followed him with a boob who could not find his way out of an elevator with a map.

STOP THAT SHIT. Voting for Romney or Obama will NOT make you anti-American, it makes you an American voter.

[NoOneFamous]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I have no idea what Romney will do,, you have no idea what Romney will do,,finally,, Romney has no idea what Romney will do.. I do know, if the right takes the senate and keeps the house, the left is fucked.

The left has not full filled their 'promise' of a recovery, but the funding of those food stamps and unemployment benefits keep on comin'

You mean that Romney has a past,, a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed??,, what past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, for Obama, before he was elected as president??,, Obama damned sure has a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, today, as a failure.

I have no idea, campaign rhetoric is cheap talk.

This is not about Obama. If you want to convince people to vote for ROmney, then you need to give them a reason to.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

This is not about Obama. If you want to convince people to vote for ROmney, then you need to give them a reason to.

If people need to be convinced to vote or Romney,, Romney needs to give them a reason to vote for him,,NOT ME..........And the same goes for Obama, although I'm quite certain Obama has given several reasons not to vote for Obama again.

[umpire2]

Originally Posted by Empress Lainie

He is a member of the Mormon cult that practices hatred of minorities.
He is opposed to freedom of choice in anything, the gov should tell you what to do.
He is a billionaire and everything he will do will help the corporations at the expense of the middle class which they want to eliminate.
He will use his religious views in his office as other religious bigots also do.
You might see prohibition again, and coffee could be banned as too unhealthful and addictive.
Maybe the non Mormons will be sent to the Mohave Death Camp.

(This is maybe the most inflammatory post I ever made.....BUT my livelihood and life were destroyed by this very so-called religion's members, one of whom used his religion in his office at EEOC to stop my very valid suit against the City of Las Vegas where another M person had me fired for no other reason except my transition. They preach that we are abominations, and I am sure would like to burn us and all gays and lesbians and intersexed people at the stake, and don't forget their official bias against black members until it was made illegal. They had to accept gay members finally because they had so many of them. So will Romney if elected turn back the Civil Rights Act too?)

Didn't you read the post above yours, Lainie? Romney's a nice guy and so is his family.

Nice guys ALWAYS screw over everyone but their friends.

[Pussy Shark]

I think that Romney lacks the wherewithal to defeat Obama. The President inherited a real mess, and he's tried I suppose, but he's not shown much. I think Romney would show even less.

[Old Tool]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

So why should I vote for Romney?

You shouldn't.

[CS natureboy]

Yeah Romney sucks. He is a liar and a cheat. But show me a politician that isn't?

The only reason to vote for a POS like Romney is he stinks just a little less than that POS Obama right now.

Another reason to vote for Romney would be the thought of O-butthole appointing another Supreme Court Justice.

[Rixer]

I wouldn't want a mormon president anymore than I'd want a taliban president taking away my personal rights. I don't want any more obama either.

I'm voting libertarian and how it turns out, so be it.

[Intern]

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Serious question folks.

Pedro: Do you think people will vote for me?

Napoleon Dynamite: Heck yes! I'd vote for you.

Pedro: Like what are my skills?

Napoleon Dynamite: Well, you have a sweet bike. And you're really good at hooking up with chicks. Plus you're like the only guy at school who has a mustache.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Old Tool

You shouldn't.

Lemme guess,,,Ron Paul??

[AZRIEL]

[richief]

If what I am seeing here is a slice of your national consensus then I think you are going to be stagnating for another four years when you will either be trying to vote Romney out or deciding who is going to replace Obama the Peaceful. What as happened to the American go getters the people who led the world in the last half of the 20th century? Have you become fat and lazy because of your former glories?
I do believe we need a strong US out in the world leading with a shining example, but at the moment all I can see is a repeat of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I have no idea what Romney will do,, you have no idea what Romney will do,,finally,, Romney has no idea what Romney will do.. I do know, if the right takes the senate and keeps the house, the left is fucked.

So what actually happens. What is right or wrong. What solves problems or creates them. In other words the actual physical and fiscal reality is not important at all. The only thing that counts is you and your side wins? Is that it Ace?

Because I've already pointed out so many times that only a brainwashed parrot can't answer simple questions like that.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

The left has not full filled their 'promise' of a recovery,

Lets stop right here for a second and allow me to point out we are only talking about 10 words there and you are telling approximately a lie every third word.

1. The left, ( president Obama or the democrats) never promised anything.

2. This was the worst economic collapse and recession since the great depression. But despite that the stock market has regained all their losses. The Banks are saved and more profitable than ever. And all the jobs the Bush Administration lost has been regained with 4 million jobs in the past thee years. And we've had more than 10 quarters of growth and record corporate profits. So the recovery from what you conservative/Republican/Tea Party liars inflicted on us has been great.

3. No telling what we could have done, however, had the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress not done everything possible to make the nation fail and the people suffer just so President Obama and the Democrats didn't succeed.

(You know that still seems treasonous to me and I mean that as a no bullshitter).

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

but the funding of those food stamps and unemployment benefits keep on comin'

Yeah because your private sector greedy lying hypocritical CONSERVATIVE bankers, stock brokers, hedge fund managers, and insurers sucked $13 TRILLION out of our economy and reduced the 'wealth" of people like me by about 40% and got to keep their bonuses.

So yes unless we want people dying and starving in the streets we have to figure out how to feed about 14% of our nation because all you conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have shipped out fucking jobs over seas because corporations are people not people.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You mean that Romney has a past,, a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed??,, what past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, for Obama, before he was elected as president??,, Obama damned sure has a past that can be measured, looked upon and analyzed, today, as a failure.

Well there's where I think you just prove youself a brainwashed parrot Ace. And let me prove that to you. You damn sure know who President Obama's pastor was. Who is Mitt Romney's Pastor? What does Mitt Romney's "Pastor" say about government as opposed to Religious beliefs?

You don't know that I bet and yet you know all that about Obama right down to the fucking sermons his paster preached. But you're too emotionally invested and brainwashed to even see those truths.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I have no idea, campaign rhetoric is cheap talk.

Sure doesn't keep you from calling the ones who do liars just because you don't like what they say though does it Ace?

Originally Posted by NoOneFamous

Obamacare is illegal? Have you heard something from the USSC that no one else has?

This is almost off topic but if anyone has heard you tell me OK because I have never seen a more unpredictable and yet sadly predictable decision in my life and watching the Supreme Court is another one of my hobbies.

But this one appears to be anyone's guess.

[Pussy Shark]

Originally Posted by richief

If what I am seeing here is a slice of your national consensus then I think you are going to be stagnating for another four years when you will either be trying to vote Romney out or deciding who is going to replace Obama the Peaceful. What as happened to the American go getters the people who led the world in the last half of the 20th century? Have you become fat and lazy because of your former glories?
I do believe we need a strong US out in the world leading with a shining example, but at the moment all I can see is a repeat of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

Richie, I hate to admit that I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's kind of embarrassing to be honest. I have many veteran friends from the World War II era that often voice their displeasure at how the country has gone. I overheard one question "What the hell did we fight for if they're going to piss it all away?"

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE=stumbler;5157229]

So what actually happens. What is right or wrong. What solves problems or creates them. In other words the actual physical and fiscal reality is not important at all. The only thing that counts is you and your side wins? Is that it Ace?

You damned right, that is all that matters,,Romney is no conservative, I'm not to convinced that he is even a moderate.

Honestly I think he is about 10 degrees left of center.

Because I've already pointed out so many times that only a brainwashed parrot can't answer simple questions like that.

Well,, if your crystal ball gives you a solid forecast of what Romney ''will do'',,, good for you. I damn sure have no idea what is rhetoric, and congress controls everything a president does,,unless your Obama, who loves to slide right on by congress.

Lets stop right here for a second and allow me to point out we are only talking about 10 words there and you are telling approximately a lie every third word.

1. The left, ( president Obama or the democrats) never promised anything.

Then why in the fuck is Obama and the left running this country. Last I checked that's why we elect those mother fuckers, to run the country as the people want it run,, the people want jobs, a prosperous economy, a better nation than we have, for jobs and a prosperous economy and world wide peace..Do yourself a favor and tell someone else that horseshit

2. This was the worst economic collapse and recession since the great depression. But despite that the stock market has regained all their losses. The Banks are saved and more profitable than ever. And all the jobs the Bush Administration lost has been regained with 4 million jobs in the past thee years. And we've had more than 10 quarters of growth and record corporate profits. So the recovery from what you conservative/Republican/Tea Party liars inflicted on us has been great.

BLAH BLAH BLAH,, Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and a host of others are not conservative/Republican/Tea Party politicians.

3. No telling what we could have done, however, had the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress not done everything possible to make the nation fail and the people suffer just so President Obama and the Democrats didn't succeed.

Well then,, What about the first 2 years when Obama got everything he wanted, how much of that would you like to blame on the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers

(You know that still seems treasonous to me and I mean that as a no bullshitter).

BULLSHIT,,,,,, who started a war without the consent of congress,,,who is president, who's both parents are NOT U.S.citizens..There is a 2 party system in this country for a reason DEAL WITH THAT SHIT,,,SON..

Yeah because your private sector greedy lying hypocritical CONSERVATIVE bankers, stock brokers, hedge fund managers, and insurers sucked $13 TRILLION out of our economy and reduced the 'wealth" of people like me by about 40% and got to keep their bonuses.

YEPPERS,,private sector greedy lying hypocritical CONSERVATIVE bankers, stock brokers, hedge fund managers, and insurers, did everything that the politicians lining their own pockets let them do.

So yes unless we want people dying and starving in the streets we have to figure out how to feed about 14% of our nation because all you conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have shipped out fucking jobs over seas because corporations are people not people.

Get the spending under control, cut taxes, make all states, right to work states,,all for global competition and those jobs WILL come back, where they belong

Well there's where I think you just prove youself a brainwashed parrot Ace. And let me prove that to you. You damn sure know who President Obama's pastor was. Who is Mitt Romney's Pastor? What does Mitt Romney's "Pastor" say about government as opposed to Religious beliefs?

Dont give a damn,, I really dont. Did the leftist media care about what was said, or what was being preached when Obama went to a church for 20 years

Sure doesn't keep you from calling the ones who do liars just because you don't like what they say though does it Ace?

NAH,,,that's you leftists that fall in that line.

[tim929]

To be perfectly blunt, we have been voting for these losers for just about two hundred and forty years, plus or minus a couple and this is where we are as a result. seventeen trillion dollars in debt, wages in real dollars less than half of what they were thirty years ago, record numbers of uninsured families, record high gasoline prices, record high education costs, record high health care costs, record home forclosures...The records just keep being broken and rebroken.

What shocks me is that when you consider all that has gone wrong as the result of corrupt mismanagment by our elected representatives that anybody still actualy takes the time to bother voting. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? How long do you expect those accomplishments to last befor another elected representative dismantles those accomplishments and runs things back into the ground? How many times will you listen to their campagne propoganda and actualy believe it? Seriously...do you actualy think you are doing something useful? Again...the record speaks for its self.

[RandyKnight]

So are any of you Nigger Haters gonna tell me why I should vote for the white man?

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

So are any of you Nigger Haters gonna tell me why I should vote for the white man?

Hmmm, very classy....... But then again, this is what I have come to expect from the left.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tim929

To be perfectly blunt, we have been voting for these losers for just about two hundred and forty years, plus or minus a couple and this is where we are as a result. seventeen trillion dollars in debt, wages in real dollars less than half of what they were thirty years ago, record numbers of uninsured families, record high gasoline prices, record high education costs, record high health care costs, record home forclosures...The records just keep being broken and rebroken.

What shocks me is that when you consider all that has gone wrong as the result of corrupt mismanagment by our elected representatives that anybody still actualy takes the time to bother voting. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? How long do you expect those accomplishments to last befor another elected representative dismantles those accomplishments and runs things back into the ground? How many times will you listen to their campagne propoganda and actualy believe it? Seriously...do you actualy think you are doing something useful? Again...the record speaks for its self.

Wait Tim ............ I've got a shit load of fighting to do on this thread. And usually you and I agree. And you're very good at in-depth thinking and analyzing. So I mean this in all honesty and respect.

As bad as our form of government is; do you know of a better one? Can you think of a better form of government? Has there ever been one?

And the last thing I'm looking for is a pissing contest. I'm looking for someone with both insight and realistic solutions. What can we do besides piss all over each other?

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

So are any of you Nigger Haters gonna tell me why I should vote for the white man?

No because all they know is hate and hate ain't nothing but fear and a nervous man can't think let alone a scared and angry human.

They talk about "Monkeys." Let me tell you about chimpanzees. They might go out to gang up on some unsuspecting male from another troop hoping to kill and eat him. But if he gets away those same males may turn on a lower ranking female and her baby just because they are pissed off the missed.

There's not a day goes by on this forum I don't think I see that same primitive thinking on the part of the Obama haters.

But what is both sickening and frightening is to see how much hate and anger their own inner fears can generate. Like a troop of chimpanzees.

[clarise]

As an atheist, I am indifferent to Romney's Mormonism. But I just have to ask this: why is it okay for that dirtbag, Harry Reid, to be a Mormon?

I'm not playing the "two wrongs make a right" game here. I think Mormonism is hunky-dory, and no less bizarre than any other religion. I'm just asking why one is permissible, and not the other.



And I have this to say, too: why is it suddenly okay for the looney left, ACLU-loving editorial staff and op-ed writers of the New York Times to be questioning Romney's Christianity, when those godless bastards so openly and blatantly despise Christians and Christianity 364.5 days out of the year?

I'm fine with Christianity, and as an atheist, I'm fine with atheism. So this isn't the "two wrongs make a right" game, either. I'm just asking why moonbats are so consistently inconsistent.



And I have this to say, also: Romney is not a billionaire. He is worth around $140 million, give or take. That's a fine haul, don't get me wrong. I wish I were worth that much. Most of us do. I don't begrudge him.

Just like I don't mind the fact that the "thinking man's loser candidate," Senator John Forbes "the gigolo" Kerry is worth about six or seven times that much. Don't mind it a bit.

And I don't mind that Al Gore is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that Bill Clinton is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that President Barack Hussein "Barry" Obama is worth around $80 million, last I checked (though it has no doubt changed).

So this isn't the "two wrongs" game either. These people are rich. It's cool. But why is it that Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Barry, et. al. are spending their millions for the good of mankind, while that evil nasty robber baron, Romney, is gutting the poor to pander to the 1%? Why is that the official sociopolitical narrative, according to Pinchy Sulzberger, Al Franken and Rachael Maddow?

How many Ph.D.'s in the humanities do I have to earn from Columbia and Harvard, before that will make sense?

Just asking.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by clarise

As an atheist, I am indifferent to Romney's Mormonism. But I just have to ask this: why is it okay for that dirtbag, Harry Reid, to be a Mormon?

I'm not playing the "two wrongs make a right" game here. I think Mormonism is hunky-dory, and no less bizarre than any other religion. I'm just asking why one is permissible, and not the other.



And I have this to say, too: why is it suddenly okay for the looney left, ACLU-loving editorial staff and op-ed writers of the New York Times to be questioning Romney's Christianity, when those godless bastards so openly and blatantly despise Christians and Christianity 364.5 days out of the year?

I'm fine with Christianity, and as an atheist, I'm fine with atheism. So this isn't the "two wrongs make a right" game, either. I'm just asking why moonbats are so consistently inconsistent.



And I have this to say, also: Romney is not a billionaire. He is worth around $140 million, give or take. That's a fine haul, don't get me wrong. I wish I were worth that much. Most of us do. I don't begrudge him.

Just like I don't mind the fact that the "thinking man's loser candidate," Senator John Forbes "the gigolo" Kerry is worth about six or seven times that much. Don't mind it a bit.

And I don't mind that Al Gore is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that Bill Clinton is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that President Barack Hussein "Barry" Obama is worth around $80 million, last I checked (though it has no doubt changed).

So this isn't the "two wrongs" game either. These people are rich. It's cool. But why is it that Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Barry, et. al. are spending their millions for the good of mankind, while that evil nasty robber baron, Romney, is gutting the poor to pander to the 1%? Why is that the official sociopolitical narrative, according to Pinchy Sulzberger, Al Franken and Rachael Maddow?

How many Ph.D.'s in the humanities do I have to earn from Columbia and Harvard, before that will make sense?

Just asking.

Just wonderin' why,oh why do you need to ask those questions,,when you already know the answer,,,,,,,,,,,,,the answers to those questions are as old and reliable as the sun rising in the East;,,''DEMOCRATS-do as I say, not as I do''

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by clarise

As an atheist, I am indifferent to Romney's Mormonism. But I just have to ask this: why is it okay for that dirtbag, Harry Reid, to be a Mormon?

I'm not playing the "two wrongs make a right" game here. I think Mormonism is hunky-dory, and no less bizarre than any other religion. I'm just asking why one is permissible, and not the other.



And I have this to say, too: why is it suddenly okay for the looney left, ACLU-loving editorial staff and op-ed writers of the New York Times to be questioning Romney's Christianity, when those godless bastards so openly and blatantly despise Christians and Christianity 364.5 days out of the year?

I'm fine with Christianity, and as an atheist, I'm fine with atheism. So this isn't the "two wrongs make a right" game, either. I'm just asking why moonbats are so consistently inconsistent.



And I have this to say, also: Romney is not a billionaire. He is worth around $140 million, give or take. That's a fine haul, don't get me wrong. I wish I were worth that much. Most of us do. I don't begrudge him.

Just like I don't mind the fact that the "thinking man's loser candidate," Senator John Forbes "the gigolo" Kerry is worth about six or seven times that much. Don't mind it a bit.

And I don't mind that Al Gore is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that Bill Clinton is worth more than Romney.

And I don't mind that President Barack Hussein "Barry" Obama is worth around $80 million, last I checked (though it has no doubt changed).

So this isn't the "two wrongs" game either. These people are rich. It's cool. But why is it that Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Barry, et. al. are spending their millions for the good of mankind, while that evil nasty robber baron, Romney, is gutting the poor to pander to the 1%? Why is that the official sociopolitical narrative, according to Pinchy Sulzberger, Al Franken and Rachael Maddow?

How many Ph.D.'s in the humanities do I have to earn from Columbia and Harvard, before that will make sense?

Just asking.

Now Clarise, you know you shouldn't ask the liberals about their double standards or hypocrisy.

It's just makes them run and hide.

[Ed Itor]

Forget those other two, vote pour moi. I'm over 35 and was born in America, or does it say The U.S.A.?
I promise to at least do one of the following before I screw you;
1.) Kiss you.
2.) Buy you a cheap bottle of wine for your dinner.

[tim929]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Wait Tim ............ I've got a shit load of fighting to do on this thread. And usually you and I agree. And you're very good at in-depth thinking and analyzing. So I mean this in all honesty and respect.

As bad as our form of government is; do you know of a better one? Can you think of a better form of government? Has there ever been one?

And the last thing I'm looking for is a pissing contest. I'm looking for someone with both insight and realistic solutions. What can we do besides piss all over each other?

Interestingly, our form of government is entirely and completely independent of our participation. The method of selecting those who will become candidates for us to vote on insures that regardless of who we vote for, the greater mission of the lobbyists and special interests will remain unchalenged. The corruption that we have will continue regardless of your participation, so why bother?

As for better systems, there has never been a truely "good" system that takes enough variables into account to actualy be called "good." Once you develope a system that takes the most things into account and has what seems to be the most equitable and fair sets of laws and rules, you must then introduce the arch enemy of decency, morality, efficiency and fairness. HUMANS. Once people begin to function withing the framework of the governemnt system of your choosing, they will always manage to completely fuck it up beyond all repair.

Comunism didnt get traction and take off like a wild fire because people thought it would be bloated, corrupt and oppressive. On paper it promised fairness and equality among everyone. On paper it promised that no one would want for anything and that the needs of the masses would always be met. In exchage, the people would give hard work and devotion to the state. As it worked out, the devotion and hard work were accomplished at gun point and the payoff was regular blackouts, lack of heat, lack of clothing, lack of food and a host of other deficiencies that ultimately led the people of the Soviet Union to say "no more." Most communist states arent realy communist. They are simply dictatorships with a fancy name.

As for "democracy," we dont have that. We have whats known as a representative democratic republic. We elect people do do what they believe to be whats in the best interests of the people and the nation and thats what they are supposed to do.

for example, we elected representatives to eliminate many import taxes on foreign good to allow domestic investors to make profits by investing in foreign companies who were importing goods to the U.S. that were priced significantly lower than domestically manufactured goods. Thus forcing U.S. companies to first reduce employee compensation and benefits and later to lay off millions of Americans and shift manufacturing off shore in an effort to compete with the bargain priced foreign products flooding our markets unchecked. We win!

The Japanese by contrast maintained extremely high import taxes on foreign made goods, some taxes running over 100% in an effort to protect domestic jobs and employee compensation. Losers!

We elected representatives to reduce and or eliminate important regulations that kept banks for making foolish and dangerous investment decisions and preventing them from extending credit to people and entities that were deemed too risky. Thus allowing corperate banks to rack up never befor seen losses on unbelieveably risky investments and bring our county to its knees economically. We Win!

We elect representatives to manipulate laws and regulations for the benefit of a handful of wealthy corperations and to grant lucrative government contracts to companies with long histories of fraud and corruption in spite of the fact that they will ultimately fail to produce what they have agreed to and get paid anyway. We win! (the history of the M-60A2 tank comes to mind as well as the MBT-70 project. Billions spent in the sixties and seventies and nothing at all to show for it.)

The sad reality is that if you vote...or not, you will get exactly the same thing, regardless. Sure, we have a pretty okay place to live and a halfway decent life here. We realy shouldnt complain...Except that what we have is a far cry from what it would be were it not for the massive fraud and corruption. We live in what is arguably the richest country the world has ever seen and yet working people strugle to make ends meet. Homeless people go without proper mental health care. Families have to chose between food and healthcare. People who retired had to go back to work in their sixties and seventies because an unregulated financial system wiped out their retirement. Disabled people have to strugle just to get enough help to pay their rent (I see that every day.) We have a national debt that will never be paid off. Ever. It exceeds the anual gross domestic product. The interest alone totals more money that the U.S. government recieves in revenue. Every penny that the U.S. government has spent since 2007 on anything besides the debt was borrowed. And heres the greatest part of it...we voted for it.

[Baddog_WOOF]

If you want the Elders of the Church of Latter Day Saints running America, vote for Romney.
Romney is owned by the Church.
He will make a good puppet for the Church of Latter Day Saints.
Not so good for America and what America stands for, but the "conservatives" are too dense to know the difference.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by tim929

Interestingly, our form of government is entirely and completely independent of our participation. The method of selecting those who will become candidates for us to vote on insures that regardless of who we vote for, the greater mission of the lobbyists and special interests will remain unchalenged. The corruption that we have will continue regardless of your participation, so why bother?

As for better systems, there has never been a truely "good" system that takes enough variables into account to actualy be called "good." Once you develope a system that takes the most things into account and has what seems to be the most equitable and fair sets of laws and rules, you must then introduce the arch enemy of decency, morality, efficiency and fairness. HUMANS. Once people begin to function withing the framework of the governemnt system of your choosing, they will always manage to completely fuck it up beyond all repair.

Comunism didnt get traction and take off like a wild fire because people thought it would be bloated, corrupt and oppressive. On paper it promised fairness and equality among everyone. On paper it promised that no one would want for anything and that the needs of the masses would always be met. In exchage, the people would give hard work and devotion to the state. As it worked out, the devotion and hard work were accomplished at gun point and the payoff was regular blackouts, lack of heat, lack of clothing, lack of food and a host of other deficiencies that ultimately led the people of the Soviet Union to say "no more." Most communist states arent realy communist. They are simply dictatorships with a fancy name.

As for "democracy," we dont have that. We have whats known as a representative democratic republic. We elect people do do what they believe to be whats in the best interests of the people and the nation and thats what they are supposed to do.

for example, we elected representatives to eliminate many import taxes on foreign good to allow domestic investors to make profits by investing in foreign companies who were importing goods to the U.S. that were priced significantly lower than domestically manufactured goods. Thus forcing U.S. companies to first reduce employee compensation and benefits and later to lay off millions of Americans and shift manufacturing off shore in an effort to compete with the bargain priced foreign products flooding our markets unchecked. We win!

The Japanese by contrast maintained extremely high import taxes on foreign made goods, some taxes running over 100% in an effort to protect domestic jobs and employee compensation. Losers!

We elected representatives to reduce and or eliminate important regulations that kept banks for making foolish and dangerous investment decisions and preventing them from extending credit to people and entities that were deemed too risky. Thus allowing corperate banks to rack up never befor seen losses on unbelieveably risky investments and bring our county to its knees economically. We Win!

We elect representatives to manipulate laws and regulations for the benefit of a handful of wealthy corperations and to grant lucrative government contracts to companies with long histories of fraud and corruption in spite of the fact that they will ultimately fail to produce what they have agreed to and get paid anyway. We win! (the history of the M-60A2 tank comes to mind as well as the MBT-70 project. Billions spent in the sixties and seventies and nothing at all to show for it.)

The sad reality is that if you vote...or not, you will get exactly the same thing, regardless. Sure, we have a pretty okay place to live and a halfway decent life here. We realy shouldnt complain...Except that what we have is a far cry from what it would be were it not for the massive fraud and corruption. We live in what is arguably the richest country the world has ever seen and yet working people strugle to make ends meet. Homeless people go without proper mental health care. Families have to chose between food and healthcare. People who retired had to go back to work in their sixties and seventies because an unregulated financial system wiped out their retirement. Disabled people have to strugle just to get enough help to pay their rent (I see that every day.) We have a national debt that will never be paid off. Ever. It exceeds the anual gross domestic product. The interest alone totals more money that the U.S. government recieves in revenue. Every penny that the U.S. government has spent since 2007 on anything besides the debt was borrowed. And heres the greatest part of it...we voted for it.

Hell of a post !!

Thank you for taking your time to write this and others as I agree with most of the points you make in them.

[tommyturtle]

Originally Posted by Baddog_WOOF

If you want the Elders of the Church of Latter Day Saints running America, vote for Romney.
Romney is owned by the Church.
He will make a good puppet for the Church of Latter Day Saints.
Not so good for America and what America stands for, but the "conservatives" are too dense to know the difference.

That was the same argument used in the 60's as a reason to not vote for Kennedy. He was Catholic thus the Pope would be running our country.

Didn't happen then. I doubt it will happen now.

[Distant Lover]

When I was nineteen two Mormon missionaries proselytized me for six months. I liked them, and I continue to like Mormon missionaries. During my investigation of Mormonism I proved that Joseph Smith was a religious charlatan. He was not deluded. He was certainly not a prophet.

Anyone who makes a dispassionate investigation of Mormonism will come to the same conclusion. This is why I would be reluctant to vote for a Mormon, even if he agreed with me on the issues. I want political leaders who are able to recognize unpleasant truths.

---------

Your recent inquiry concerning the Smithsonian Institution's alleged use of the Book of Mormon as a scientific guide has been received in the Smithsonian's Department of Anthropology.

The Book of Mormon is a religious document and not a scientific guide. The Smithsonian Institution has never used it in archeological research and any information that you have received to the contrary is incorrect. Accurate information about the Smithsonian's position is contained in the enclosed "Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon," which was prepared to respond to the numerous inquiries that the Smithsonian receives on this topic.

Because the Smithsonian regards the unauthorized use of its name to disseminate inaccurate information as unlawful, we would appreciate your assistance in providing us with the names of any individuals who are misusing the Smithsonian's name. Please address any correspondence to:

Public Information Officer
Department of Anthropology
National Museum of Natural History
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560

PREPARED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY
SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION





STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON



1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World--probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age--in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to hare occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/smithsonian.html

[CFH420]

Why the fuck would anyone consider romney or obama? Two millionaires who dont give two drops of piss about you.

[mt692007]

Originally Posted by CFH420

Why the fuck would anyone consider romney or obama? Two millionaires who dont give two drops of piss about you.

Good question. But what other choice do people have? There is no such thing of a non corrupt politician. They are all crooks, etc.

[crtnycl21]

i prefer obama

[richief]

Originally Posted by tim929

To be perfectly blunt, we have been voting for these losers for just about two hundred and forty years, plus or minus a couple and this is where we are as a result. seventeen trillion dollars in debt, wages in real dollars less than half of what they were thirty years ago, record numbers of uninsured families, record high gasoline prices, record high education costs, record high health care costs, record home forclosures...The records just keep being broken and rebroken.

What shocks me is that when you consider all that has gone wrong as the result of corrupt mismanagment by our elected representatives that anybody still actualy takes the time to bother voting. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? How long do you expect those accomplishments to last befor another elected representative dismantles those accomplishments and runs things back into the ground? How many times will you listen to their campagne propoganda and actualy believe it? Seriously...do you actualy think you are doing something useful? Again...the record speaks for its self.

The bi-partisan system you have is a lead weight around your ankles, you will only ever, or so it seems, you only ever get the Dems or the Repubs, and their agenda is set way before they hit office, pay back the interest groups who gave them money for the campaign.
What would happen if you ignored the two main parties and voted in a bunch of independents, people not tied to favours of the big companies, guys who will ignore lobbyists, people who will put forward bills that benefit people from their district and state. I think you may have the government you want if you did but it seems people are to scared to try.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Hmmm, very classy....... But then again, this is what I have come to expect from the left.

You have nerve talking about class. This is what we have come to expect from you:

http://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=292428