German court rules on circumcision

[Hank5]

Mankind is progressing as the level of civilization increases and an human rights are recognised. A German court's ruling on routine non-consensual male circumcision marks a turning point and may yet be followed by similar rulings in other countries. Click here for the full story.

[Pandorius999]

yeah i support this. religious beliefs can cause serious physical harm coz all bodies and all ages cannot adapt to it equally. Personally i find circumcision stupid, and I'm happy nobody put that idea in my parents' head.

[deviousdave]

I was circumcised about 3 or 4 years ago for medical reasons. It was done under general anaesthetic, thankfully. Let me tell you, the following 2 or 3 weeks of discomfort is not something a child should be forced to go through to satisfy some ancient religious nonsense. It hurts.

People are saying it discriminates against the Jewish community. Well this is the one time I can side with the Germans against the Jews !

Kids shouldn't be indoctrinated into religion period, let along by barbaric practices. Wait till they are 18 years of age, let them make their own decision.

[Not That Guy]

What fucking difference does it make anyway, cut or uncut they both still perform the same function.

[N.E. Woman]

Both my boys are circumcised and I would consent to it again if given the choice!

Just like I want everyone to stay out of my bedroom.... Stay out of my babies diapers!

As for doing it during/ for religious ceremonies, I hope someone appeals stating this ruling is religious persecution.

[michael saint]

I would like to know the reasons for this outrage.
I am not circumcised, my body is still as nature intended it to be.

I think that it's nothing short of child abuse.

[ejls]

I think you'll find more objections come from the US. Here, it has been pretty much the norm. It continues to be, because you don't want Johnny to think he's different than the other boys or have him wonder why he doesn't look like his father. I never had boys, but I think back then I would have had them circumcised.

I don't see them ruling on having little girls ears pierced, until they are mature enough and old enough to make an educated decision.

The government should just stay out of it.

[clarise]

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

[Cheltenham]

These organizations need to riot against female circumcision

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by clarise

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

How do you feel about female circumcision? Should that be allowed? Just because women endure pain during childbirth, that makes it okay to cause intentional pain on babies?

You could scold a baby with boiling water, the baby wouldn't remember it, the only evidence would be a scar. would scolding babies be an okay practice ?

I feel being circumcised as an adult gives me a position of authority to comment on this. I can't explain how painful it is to be circumcised, but it is the second worst thing I have had to endure. There are medical reasons for an adult to have a circumcision, and there are religious reasons. There are no reasons for a child to needlessly be put through it.

[ejls]

Okay, I hate to sound like an idiot, but what is female circumcision?

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by ejls

Okay, I hate to sound like an idiot, but what is female circumcision?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_...h_consequences

[Cheltenham]

Originally Posted by ejls

Okay, I hate to sound like an idiot, but what is female circumcision?

It is a horrible practice and pales in comparison to male circumcision.

Female Circumcision: Rite of Passage Or Violation of Rights?
By Frances A. Althaus

Female circumcision, the partial or total cutting away of the external female genitalia, has been practiced for centuries in parts of Africa, generally as one element of a rite of passage preparing young girls for womanhood and marriage. Often performed without anesthetic under septic conditions by lay practitioners with little or no knowledge of human anatomy or medicine, female circumcision can cause death or permanent health problems as well as severe pain. Despite these grave risks, its practitioners look on it as an integral part of their cultural and ethnic identity, and some perceive it as a religious obligation.

Opponents of female genital cutting, however, emphasize that the practice is detrimental to women's health and well-being. Some consider female circumcision a ritualized form of child abuse and violence against women, a violation of human rights.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html

[clarise]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

How do you feel about female circumcision? Should that be allowed?

Female circumcision is barbaric, confers no health benefits whatsoever, serves solely to assert male superiority and subjugate women, and it should be abolished.

Listen, I know circumcision must hurt like a bleepity-bleep, but all I'm saying is why can't boys use soap and water once in a while?

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by clarise

Listen, I know circumcision must hurt like a bleepity-bleep, but all I'm saying is why can't boys use soap and water once in a while?

Well I can't speak for all guys, but I shower daily !

[clarise]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

Well I can't speak for all guys, but I shower daily !

...okay.......so maybe you don't have bugs. But it's a crap shoot, let me tell you. Pun intended.

Maybe some help from NEW, ejls, et. al. Have any of you ever put your nose within two inches of an uncut one that didn't smell like a restroom floor? 'Cause I haven't. Just saying.

[ejls]

Okay, I thought female circumcision was something that parents today chose to do to their babies. Glad to see it's not.

Boys are dirty. When I taught childbirth classes, a lifetime ago, that was the main reason given by parents. Little boys aren't clean. There comes a point where mom is no longer welcomed in the bathroom. It's not like checking behind their ears to see if they washed.

[LatinaLisha]

:D

[LatinaLisha]

sorry

[Dizzyworks673]

Originally Posted by ejls

Okay, I thought female circumcision was something that parent today chose to do to their babies. Glad to see it's not.

Boys are dirty. When I taught childbirth classes, a lifetime ago, that was the main reason given by parents. Little boys aren't clean. There comes a point where mom is no longer welcomed in the bathroom. It's not like checking behind their ears to see if they washed.

I was cut for basicly this reason when I was about 3 years old. I don't remember their being much pain. I'm just fine with how I look today and I've never been with a girl who had any problem with me being cut. I don't see what the big issue is.

[CS natureboy]

Germany takes another shot at the Jews.......

[N.E. Woman]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

As for doing it during/ for religious ceremonies, I hope someone appeals stating this ruling is religious persecution.

Why don't all you "purists" take this into consideration? I have been to a Briss (sp?), and it is a very big deal in the Jewish religion. For the government to step in and ban this practice.... Isn't that the definition of religious tyranny?

Originally Posted by ejls

I think you'll find more objections come from the US. Here, it has been pretty much the norm. It continues to be, because you don't want Johnny to think he's different than the other boys or have him wonder why he doesn't look like his father. I never had boys, but I think back then I would have had them circumcised.

The government should just stay out of it.

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by clarise

Sheesh.

For all the pain and suffering women have to endure, what is it with all this whining from men over a little discomfort that most of them don't even remember?

Circumsized ones are nicer. Uncut ones are smelly and icky, like gouda cheese left on the porch for a few days. Icky. I know, I know, it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. Boys are slobs. Boys don't wash. They're dirty and smelly, and some of them even have bugs.

I think this is too harsh. If you pull the foreskin back and wash there should be no odor and I have no idea where yout correlation with bugs came from. Having said that, I think circumcised penises look better, but that may be a factor of living in the US and it being what I'm used to.

Originally Posted by Cheltenham

These organizations need to riot against female circumcision

female circumcisions are not in any way comparable to men's. This is a barbaric practice which should be banned from every country!

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

female circumcisions are not in any way comparable to men's. This is a barbaric practice which should be banned from every country!

In what way is it not comparable ?

[Cheltenham]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

female circumcisions are not in any way comparable to men's. This is a barbaric practice which should be banned from every country!

By noting what I did, I think female circumcision is in some ways worse than its male counterpart and should be a bigger issue. It is done without anesthesia, during pubescence and is performed without bias across an entire female population. Not all males are circumcised. There is an initial choice involved on the part of the parents.

I understand how politicians would prefer to fight the easier battle first. It's typical.

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

female circumcisions are not in any way comparable to men's. This is a barbaric practice which should be banned from every country!

I have rarely disagreed with anything more.

Genital mutilation of either gender is completely unacceptable.

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by clarise

Female circumcision is barbaric, confers no health benefits whatsoever, serves solely to assert male superiority and subjugate women, and it should be abolished.

Listen, I know circumcision must hurt like a bleepity-bleep, but all I'm saying is why can't boys use soap and water once in a while?

Name me the "health benefits" of circumcision.

You must attract some real fucking slobs.
Congratulations.

[susi_squeeze]

I never met a kuttfuk who hated being kutt i wont fuk unkutt myself mmm no

[richief]

Originally Posted by clarise

Female circumcision is barbaric, confers no health benefits whatsoever, serves solely to assert male superiority and subjugate women, and it should be abolished.

Listen, I know circumcision must hurt like a bleepity-bleep, but all I'm saying is why can't boys use soap and water once in a while?

A massive generalisation, I have a turtle neck and I wash it daily, at least three times, to decide that you can chop of bits of another person for religious reasoning gives rise to lots of abuse, how many lads have been cut and suffered poor post op care resulting in scaring.

It is if not barbaric pretty close to allow your child to be mutilated for religious considerations and there is no reason now or then for it apart from the church asserting control of the individual.

If you wish to follow the rabbi or iman then you can always get cut later.

[smcaaphd]

Originally Posted by michael saint

Name me the "health benefits" of circumcision.

You must attract some real fucking slobs.
Congratulations.

Well, one of the health benefits of circumcision is...the development of viable skin grafts onto burn victims (for one). The foreskin is treated with a chemical/organic compound and stretched daily. These 'wood shavings' are then carefully (and medically) attached to the affected burn area, treated again with a different chem/orga compound.

Of course, where they're treating a body with, say 90% burns, it takes an awful lot of foreskins...but, I believe the next NHS health drive is for adult foreskin donors - a bit like blood donors at the minute, but the focus will be more around bonfire night.

Soo, will you be joining the donating drive?

[richief]

Originally Posted by smcaaphd

Well, one of the health benefits of circumcision is...the development of viable skin grafts onto burn victims (for one). The foreskin is treated with a chemical/organic compound and stretched daily. These 'wood shavings' are then carefully (and medically) attached to the affected burn area, treated again with a different chem/orga compound.

Of course, where they're treating a body with, say 90% burns, it takes an awful lot of foreskins...but, I believe the next NHS health drive is for adult foreskin donors - a bit like blood donors at the minute, but the focus will be more around bonfire night.

Soo, will you be joining the donating drive?

The doctors prefer to work with donated foreskins as if it does not cover the wound all they need to do is give it a gentle rub.

[AZRIEL]

Tabber Nackle.png

[deviousdave]

Having stitches stretched when you get an erection to the point of bleeding is not as fun as it sounds. Not being able to relieve yourself after 2 weeks or so is agony enough. Being in a state of permanent arousal for 2 weeks after surgery does not help with the healing !

[CS natureboy]

Aside from anyone's thoughts on circumcision, it's not really painful with today's new methods. The PrePex is a good example.

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by smcaaphd

Well, one of the health benefits of circumcision is...the development of viable skin grafts onto burn victims (for one). The foreskin is treated with a chemical/organic compound and stretched daily. These 'wood shavings' are then carefully (and medically) attached to the affected burn area, treated again with a different chem/orga compound.

Of course, where they're treating a body with, say 90% burns, it takes an awful lot of foreskins...but, I believe the next NHS health drive is for adult foreskin donors - a bit like blood donors at the minute, but the focus will be more around bonfire night.

Soo, will you be joining the donating drive?

No, I like my Penis just the way it is, sorry about the burns victims but it seems there will be a plentiful supply from these child abusers.

The funny thing is that these fucking people will probably talk to their children about how uncivilised people in Africa and other such places are and how they are lucky to live in an "advanced" country.


Having already cut the end of their newborn babies penis off.

[richief]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Aside from anyone's thoughts on circumcision, it's not really painful with today's new methods. The PrePex is a good example.

That looks like something found in the sexuality threads, a nice way to spend an afternoon if you wear a gimp mask.

[richief]

Originally Posted by michael saint

No, I like my Penis just the way it is, sorry about the burns victims but it seems there will be a plentiful supply from these child abusers.

The funny thing is that these fucking people will probably talk to their children about how uncivilised people in Africa and other such places are and how they are lucky to live in an "advanced" country.


Having already cut the end of their newborn babies penis off.

But the savages in Africa cut bits off their newborns also, not the sort of behaviour for a western country, oh wait........

[69magpie]

Originally Posted by smcaaphd

Well, one of the health benefits of circumcision is...the development of viable skin grafts onto burn victims (for one). The foreskin is treated with a chemical/organic compound and stretched daily. These 'wood shavings' are then carefully (and medically) attached to the affected burn area, treated again with a different chem/orga compound.

Of course, where they're treating a body with, say 90% burns, it takes an awful lot of foreskins...but, I believe the next NHS health drive is for adult foreskin donors - a bit like blood donors at the minute, but the focus will be more around bonfire night.

Soo, will you be joining the donating drive?

Or they could use "spray on skin", I would think that'd be a heck of a lot easier than cutting the rag ends of a whole lot of dicks.

http://www.biotechnology-innovation....y_on_skin.html

[Mike_Hawke]

Circumcision is like virginity. It's a big issue over a little tissue.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by michael saint

Name me the "health benefits" of circumcision.

You must attract some real fucking slobs.
Congratulations.

I bet there's a big "Grade-A" blue ribbon pinned to yours, though. Give me a break.

Most of the guys here stroke themselves to pix and vidz until they bleed, and I'm supposed to be sympathetic about something Mommy did to them before they knew how to spit up? Sheesh. Listen, to you guys out there who've gone through it as adults, ouch, okay? But, hell! For gods' sake, admit it: most of you have never tasted your own damned cum! YOU try sucking it for once! Sheesh!

[69magpie]

Originally Posted by clarise

I bet there's a big "Grade-A" blue ribbon pinned to yours, though. Give me a break.

Most of the guys here stroke themselves to pix and vidz until they bleed, and I'm supposed to be sympathetic about something Mommy did to them before they knew how to spit up? Sheesh. Listen, to you guys out there who've gone through it as adults, ouch, okay? But, hell! For gods' sake, admit it: most of you have never tasted your own damned cum! YOU try sucking it for once! Sheesh!

Ewww!!!...no thanks, I'll take your word for it.

[richief]

Originally Posted by clarise

I bet there's a big "Grade-A" blue ribbon pinned to yours, though. Give me a break.

Most of the guys here stroke themselves to pix and vidz until they bleed, and I'm supposed to be sympathetic about something Mommy did to them before they knew how to spit up? Sheesh. Listen, to you guys out there who've gone through it as adults, ouch, okay? But, hell! For gods' sake, admit it: most of you have never tasted your own damned cum! YOU try sucking it for once! Sheesh!

The religious argument fails as I find no need to mutilate kids in the bible, rape them and sacrifice them offer them as sex toys to strangers but no mutilation. Also as the theists have told me we are created in the big guys image, so how dare they think they can improve on the original design.

[N.E. Woman]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

In what way is it not comparable ?

Originally Posted by michael saint

I have rarely disagreed with anything more.

Genital mutilation of either gender is completely unacceptable.

Have the two of you seen pictures of female circumcisions? If nothing else, for males only a bit of skin is removed....

For females it depends on the region, but the practice is to remove/ disfigure
1. The entire clitorus
2. The inner and outer labia
3. Removal of some parts and the sewing together of the outer labia so the girl can just pee or menstrate


Do you really want to continue your claim that the "alterations" are equal? Some potential scarring for males is a lot different from potentially bleeding to death. Wouldn't you say?

[Private Rickmers]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Germany takes another shot at the Jews.......

The Germans should have learned to leave the Jews alone.

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

Do you really want to continue your claim that the "alterations" are equal? Some potential scarring for males is a lot different from potentially bleeding to death. Wouldn't you say?

Absolutely I do.

1. There is NO medical reason to remove the Foreskin.
2. All operations carry risk.
3. As Rich says who the fuck do men think they are to perform this barbaric act upon a perfect child.
4. The child is abused when he is at it's most vunerable by the very people that have a moral obligation to protect him.
5. It is simply against anybodies Human Rights.


This should be changed in a civilised society, when the boy is old enough to make an informed choice about what he should do to HIS body, then he can make his own mind up.

Like I said there is no real difference in gender, performing a non essential operation with no consent is abuse.

You will never change my opinion of this barbaric act.
Simply horrific.

[Druidoak]

I'm 53 and uncut as are both my boys. I have never ever had a woman complain about my fore skin. I was taught good hygiene and I passed that information on to my children.

I on the other hand, have run into several woman over the years who I can only describe as, Little Suzy Rotten Crotch. The stench from their pussy would of knocked a buzzard off a shit wagon at 50 yards. But I don't make a blanket statement that all women stink.

Most do have Cooties though!

[Friendly dog]

I opened this page by curiosity and found that is very interesting the positions of different people.

Nobody has put the thought that the circumcision is practiced, on religious grounds, by two main religions that hate one each other, Judaism and Muslims. Now, think that those groups have been living in the same territory for thousand of years. More than 6000 years ago, naturally we can think that soap did not exist and, if it did, soap without water is not very useful. We can only imagine how many people died just for lack of hygiene. For sure somebody, there is always a brain thinking ahead of the group, had the idea that if we cut a piece of the skin, the normal friction against the clothes may help. The problem is how to convince the population. The solution is for sure very simple. God told me. Are you going to go against God? That is the same argument that Mormons use when they decide to acquire another wife.

The female circumcision is just a form of slavery. Taking away the clitoris is only a step to be sure that the woman is not going to experiment pleasure from sex, therefore she is not going to look for another man.

[N.E. Woman]

Originally Posted by michael saint

Absolutely I do.

1. There is NO medical reason to remove the Foreskin.
2. All operations carry risk.
3. As Rich says who the fuck do men think they are to perform this barbaric act upon a perfect child.
4. The child is abused when he is at it's most vunerable by the very people that have a moral obligation to protect him.
5. It is simply against anybodies Human Rights.


This should be changed in a civilised society, when the boy is old enough to make an informed choice about what he should do to HIS body, then he can make his own mind up.

Like I said there is no real difference in gender, performing a non essential operation with no consent is abuse.

You will never change my opinion of this barbaric act.
Simply horrific.

Even if I conceded the point that there is no medical reason for male circumcision in every instance. There is NO WAY you can compare the male "operation" to the female mutilation.

I am posting the last guy's thread that was "interested" in female circumcisions. There are pictures included... One is a female with both her inner and outer labia removed. The other is a female whose labia has been sewn shut allowing for only urinating and menstrating. if you can stomach the whole article, find a way to open the link I provided within the thread.


http://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=294521



You claim you will never change your opinion about male and female circumcisions being equal.... But you would be wrong.

Have a nice day.

[michael saint]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

Even if I conceded the point that there is no medical reason for male circumcision in every instance. There is NO WAY you can compare the male "operation" to the female mutilation.

I am posting the last guy's thread that was "interested" in female circumcisions. There are pictures included... One is a female with both her inner and outer labia removed. The other is a female whose labia has been sewn shut allowing for only urinating and menstrating. if you can stomach the whole article, find a way to open the link I provided within the thread.


http://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=294521



You claim you will never change your opinion about male and female circumcisions being equal.... But you would be wrong.

Have a nice day.

You too.

http://www.cirp.org/library/death/

http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

At least they are starting to see sense.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0...n-the-decline/

[N.E. Woman]

Michael and other supporters of male skin,

Just because I'm curious, and slightly hard headed so I hate to lose an argument....

have you seen all the stories, including pictures of the females? Do you think that could ever be medically necessary?


Second point, do you agree/ disagree that male circumcisions are sometimes medically or due to the mental capacity of the male necessary?


Still, have a nice day ,

[richief]

Originally Posted by N.E. Woman

Michael and other supporters of male skin,

Just because I'm curious, and slightly hard headed so I hate to lose an argument....

have you seen all the stories, including pictures of the females? Do you think that could ever be medically necessary?


Second point, do you agree/ disagree that male circumcisions are sometimes medically or due to the mental capacity of the male necessary?


Still, have a nice day ,

Firstly your opening sentence is a little offensive. As for female circumcision I can find no reason for it and am against it and would put to death those that support it.

Male circumcision is sometimes needed for medical reasons and should only be performed for those reasons, they should not be carried out because of a persons mental capacity.