Stressed to the Max About Money?

[Distant Lover]

By Michelle Wilson
The 700 Club

CBN.com - For twenty years, Ken Teel has been self-employed as a music teacher and his wife Debbie has worked in human resources. With their combined incomes, they felt financially secure freely charging vacations...

Then Debbie lost her full time job and the couple had to rely on Ken’s income alone. That’s when it hit them just how deeply in debt they were...

One day after watching a teaching on 700 Club, Ken and Debbie decided to tithe and give from the money Ken made as a music teacher. One place they gave was to CBN...

Within months of their decision to tithe, Debbie got a new job, and soon after that her first bonus check.
http://www.cbn.com/partners/profiles/Lead342_Teel.aspx

[Rixer]

Just think how much better they could do if they signed over their house to cbn also..

[michael saint]

[deviousdave]

I predict that they would be 10% better off if they carried on as before.

[Distant Lover]

I get e-mails from the 700 Club every few days. Most of the stuff is at best inspirational, and at worst harmless. If someone is able to quit dysfunctional behavior because of religious conversion they have my approval.

Nevertheless, every now and then there is a story about someone in desperate economic straits who decides to give ten percent of his or her income to the 700 Club and has marvelously good fortune soon afterwards.

If I was a political columnist I would write several columns about this. I would ask readers to write to me who had followed Pat Robertson's advice, and I would ask them to tell me what had happened.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I get e-mails from the 700 Club every few days. Most of the stuff is at best inspirational, and at worst harmless. If someone is able to quit dysfunctional behavior because of religious conversion they have my approval.

Nevertheless, every now and then there is a story about someone in desperate economic straits who decides to give ten percent of his or her income to the 700 Club and has marvelously good fortune soon afterwards.

If I was a political columnist I would write several columns about this. I would ask readers to write to me who had followed Pat Robertson's advice, and I would ask them to tell me what had happened.

It works...

But you do not have to give to the 700 club...

I know tons of stories including my own...

It is Karma...what you sow so shall you reap...

sow the wind reap the whirlwind..

sow good deeds and good will come...

when you help someone they may never repay you but sometime out of the blue you will receive some help you may need...

Give where you get your spiritual vision from and I dont mean God or Religion type....

There is a higher power even if it is just some type of electrons or atoms that connect us all.....help others you help yourself.

Those with lots of money know the only way to keep it is to give it away...

Kind of strange I know......give it away to keep it....

[69magpie]

If it is as worst harmless as you say, then why don't you give them up to $10,000 per year to join their little club?, imagine how much better off you'd be financially if you did.
https://www.cbn.com/giving/700club/o...p=gvsl0036&c=1

Originally Posted by distant lover

If I was a political columnist I would write several columns about this. I would ask readers to write to me who had followed Pat Robertson's advice, and I would ask them to tell me what had happened.

I would think most of the answers would be that they got ripped off, and Pat Robertson is more wealthier than before.

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I get e-mails from the 700 Club every few days. Most of the stuff is at best inspirational, and at worst harmless. If someone is able to quit dysfunctional behavior because of religious conversion they have my approval.

Nevertheless, every now and then there is a story about someone in desperate economic straits who decides to give ten percent of his or her income to the 700 Club and has marvelously good fortune soon afterwards.

If I was a political columnist I would write several columns about this. I would ask readers to write to me who had followed Pat Robertson's advice, and I would ask them to tell me what had happened.

The thing is, you are only going to hear from the situations where things have turned out for the better. There will be people that remain the same, and others that end up in an even worse position, but those are not the stories that are going to get shouted about.

Anybody who thinks God is going to take care of them if they give money are deluding themselves. Not only that, they believe in a deity that has the power to intervene in the world and help people who are struggling, yet that god lets millions of children die each year in horrendous conditions. Children that have deeply religious families that prayed their hearts out, but prayers that were unanswered.

It's not only immoral, I find it sickening.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

The thing is, you are only going to hear from the situations where things have turned out for the better. There will be people that remain the same, and others that end up in an even worse position, but those are not the stories that are going to get shouted about.

Anybody who thinks God is going to take care of them if they give money are deluding themselves. Not only that, they believe in a deity that has the power to intervene in the world and help people who are struggling, yet that god lets millions of children die each year in horrendous conditions. Children that have deeply religious families that prayed their hearts out, but prayers that were unanswered.

It's not only immoral, I find it sickening.

If I was a political commentator, and allowed those I wrote about to be anonymous, I think I would get quite a few accounts of people who started giving the 700 Club ten percent of their meager incomes and lost their homes as a result.

Their might be legal issues. Pat Robertson would want to sue me for slander. I would need to be able to verify that the negative accounts I wrote about really happened, even if I did not identify the people to whom they happened.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

If I was a political commentator, and allowed those I wrote about to be anonymous, I think I would get quite a few accounts of people who started giving the 700 Club ten percent of their meager incomes and lost their homes as a result.

Their might be legal issues. Pat Robertson would want to sue me for slander. I would need to be able to verify that the negative accounts I wrote about really happened, even if I did not identify the people to whom they happened.

There are all kind of accounts of people going broke getting swindled by some of these so call religious leaders....

but the principal works...

You get what you give.....

[RandyKnight]

Perception of scarcity is a mentality that can limit your potential. When you view things as scarce, you hoard it for yourself which doesn’t open up the opportunities that is needed to lead a successful life. Many have this perception, and that is the downfall of the many since one cannot make a connection with others when you don’t share or give. Nobody wants to help those who don’t help others.

People remember you when you give. It is much easier to make a connection with others when they have a positive image about you. Giving and sharing helps build trust which is so easily neglected. Your perception of scarcity makes you become isolated and hated by people all around you. The negativity of scarcity of your own individual self makes you a loner.

Opportunity knocks once you throw out the perception of scarcity since you are opening channels of communication and connection with others. To take, you must first give. If you have the scarcity mentality, it is hard to give and painful to separate from what you are attached to. The negative elements of scarcity destroys all opportunities that comes your way.

The hoarding mentality is a negative mindset, the perception of scarcity is a powerful setback from rising. To know and understand the limitations when you view everything in your life as scarce is the first step to break off that mentality. It is hard for many to embrace it, but this is the truth. If you can’t give or help in one way, there is always another way.

What you give, you will receive in the end with bonus.

[Distant Lover]

RandyKnight,

Your comments reveal the interior of a beautiful mind.

[CS natureboy]

For a small fee of course......

[susi_squeeze]

Wut about the 666 club????

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

For a small fee of course......

LOL...that is what I do when I meet these real religious people of all faiths....I check and make sure my wallet is still in my pocket.

In fact when you shake their hands you might want to count your fingers when they let go of it.

[AZRIEL]

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[richief]

So if I give 10% of my income to god he will improve my life, will he go out and kill someone so I can have his or her heart? Or is this only a monetary consideration.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by richief

So if I give 10% of my income to god he will improve my life, will he go out and kill someone so I can have his or her heart? Or is this only a monetary consideration.

Who knows Rich....the only reason you are still alive now might be all the good things you have done for others in the past...Cancer treatment does not work for everyone.

From reading your posts the last 4 years I kinda think you Paid It Forward....

Who the fuck knows if a God has anything to do with it...I feel like it is some sort of Universal thing that ties all things on the Earth together.

[richief]

If I am relying on past deeds to get me a free pass from "god" then I am cataclysmaly fucked. I guess I had better hope for more bad weather and poor bikers.

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by richief

If I am relying on past deeds to get me a free pass from "god" then I am cataclysmaly fucked. I guess I had better hope for more bad weather and poor bikers.

I'm a biker, weather has been bad lately. You never know rich, you might end up with mine !

[smcaaphd]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

I'm a biker, weather has been bad lately. You never know rich, you might end up with mine !

Do you have a donor card? Have you informed your nearest and dearest to give their permission when and if?

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by richief

If I am relying on past deeds to get me a free pass from "god" then I am cataclysmaly fucked. I guess I had better hope for more bad weather and poor bikers.

Stop thinking God...and if a lot of my past life was factored in I would already be in Hell if there is one.....

We all have play the cards we are dealt....I have heard some of your war stories and your kids and as much a bad ass as you might want us to think you are/were you have also showed that you have a damn big heart.

[CS natureboy]

I drive by the homeless sleeping on a cold dark street
Like bodies in an open grave
Underneath the broken old neon sign
That used to read JESUS SAVES

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by smcaaphd

Do you have a donor card? Have you informed your nearest and dearest to give their permission when and if?

Yes and yes. Donating everything usable to those that need it, and everything that doesn't work to science.

[richief]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Stop thinking God...and if a lot of my past life was factored in I would already be in Hell if there is one.....

We all have play the cards we are dealt....I have heard some of your war stories and your kids and as much a bad ass as you might want us to think you are/were you have also showed that you have a damn big heart.

I always forget god. What I am saying is that life owes me nothing, I have taken more from it than I will ever return, most of the time it was quid pro quo so there is no debt owed by either side. But if I can find some idiotic biker who like to ride in the snow and the rain then I will not refuse his gift.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

Yes and yes. Donating everything usable to those that need it, and everything that doesn't work to science.

Do you wear a brain bucket? (helmet)

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by richief

I always forget god. What I am saying is that life owes me nothing, I have taken more from it than I will ever return, most of the time it was quid pro quo so there is no debt owed by either side. But if I can find some idiotic biker who like to ride in the snow and the rain then I will not refuse his gift.

Oh Oh Sorry, I must have forgotten I have been addressing the

King Of The Humble People.....

[richief]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

Yes and yes. Donating everything usable to those that need it, and everything that doesn't work to science.

All my organs are compromised so of no use except for research or teaching, they can have what is left of my body at the local medical school, that way I will at least make it to a decent uni.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by richief

I always forget god. What I am saying is that life owes me nothing, I have taken more from it than I will ever return, most of the time it was quid pro quo so there is no debt owed by either side. But if I can find some idiotic biker who like to ride in the snow and the rain then I will not refuse his gift.

If a person's only mode of transportation is a motorcycle, than it may be necessary to ride in less than favorable weather conditions.

A person trying to get to work and make a living is not an idiot.

If all you have is a bike and it's time to go to work, that's what you ride rain or shine.

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

Yes and yes. Donating everything usable to those that need it, and everything that doesn't work to science.

All bikers should have one !

edited barcode, don't trust everyone with my details

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Do you wear a brain bucket? (helmet)

Yes. 3 Reasons. I don't have a death wish. I don't want some poor sod having the job of mopping my brains up off the floor. It's the law.

[richief]

Originally Posted by deviousdave

Yes. 3 Reasons. I don't have a death wish. I don't want some poor sod having the job of mopping my brains up off the floor. It's the law.

Can you point some of the more idiotic riders to the West Midlands area.

[deviousdave]

Originally Posted by richief

Can you point some of the more idiotic riders to the West Midlands area.

Sure

[Distant Lover]

My affection for Pat Robertson is similar to my affection for Bill Clinton. It is visceral. I like what I see on television.

The adjective that I would use to describe Pat Robertson is "avuncular."

Definition of AVUNCULAR

1 : of or relating to an uncle
2 : suggestive of an uncle especially in kindliness or geniality <avuncular indulgence>

a man known for his avuncular charm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avuncular

It is easy for me to see Uncle Pat showing up with gifts for all the kids, and stories they love to hear.

He has a reputation for saying some outrageous things, but I never heard him when I watched The 700 Club.

[69magpie]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

It is easy for me to see Uncle Pat showing up with gifts for all the kids, and stories they love to hear.

He has a reputation for saying some outrageous things, but I never heard him when I watched The 700 Club.

Uncle Pat seems a bit suss to me...gifts for the kiddies , I hope they don't have to sit on his lap to get them.

[richief]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

My affection for Pat Robertson is similar to my affection for Bill Clinton. It is visceral. I like what I see on television.

The adjective that I would use to describe Pat Robertson is "avuncular."

Definition of AVUNCULAR

1 : of or relating to an uncle
2 : suggestive of an uncle especially in kindliness or geniality <avuncular indulgence>

a man known for his avuncular charm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avuncular

It is easy for me to see Uncle Pat showing up with gifts for all the kids, and stories they love to hear.

He has a reputation for saying some outrageous things, but I never heard him when I watched The 700 Club.

Would those outrageous things be of a sexual nature?

What is in the "gifts" you imagine, and I for one am sure I would not like my kiddies to listen to his "stories".

You surely get weirder and weirder as the days go by, maybe we need deidre to come back and get you back in line.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

My affection for Pat Robertson is similar to my affection for Bill Clinton. It is visceral. I like what I see on television.

The adjective that I would use to describe Pat Robertson is "avuncular."

Definition of AVUNCULAR

1 : of or relating to an uncle
2 : suggestive of an uncle especially in kindliness or geniality <avuncular indulgence>

a man known for his avuncular charm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avuncular

It is easy for me to see Uncle Pat showing up with gifts for all the kids, and stories they love to hear.

He has a reputation for saying some outrageous things, but I never heard him when I watched The 700 Club.

Main rule of giving...pay yourself first....
If one can not financially take care of themselves they can never take care of others...

Send them 20 bucks in cash and see what happens...

That is how I check them out...
If I get no reply and no receipt fuck them....

But in most of my cases like this I get on their mailing list and start getting Magazines about them as well as letters but IF you do not have the money do not let them suck you in and break you....

Go find a local organization where you can help with your time...
You can get the same results...

[69magpie]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Main rule of giving...pay yourself first....
If one can not financially take care of themselves they can never take care of others...

Send them 20 bucks in cash and see what happens...

That is how I check them out...
If I get no reply and no receipt fuck them....

But in most of my cases like this I get on their mailing list and start getting Magazines about them as well as letters but IF you do not have the money do not let them suck you in and break you....

Go find a local organization where you can help with your time...
You can get the same results...

One problem with that, I doubt if doggo has 20 bucks to spare..

[richief]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

Main rule of giving...pay yourself first....
If one can not financially take care of themselves they can never take care of others...

Send them 20 bucks in cash and see what happens...

That is how I check them out...
If I get no reply and no receipt fuck them....

But in most of my cases like this I get on their mailing list and start getting Magazines about them as well as letters but IF you do not have the money do not let them suck you in and break you....

Go find a local organization where you can help with your time...
You can get the same results...

Why the fuck would you give your hard earned cash to TV/internet scammers? Do you drop a $20 bill into the hands of every beggar you see on the street?

I give to three registered charities.

Asthma UK
British Heart Foundation
Myeloma UK.

I urge all of you to drop a few quid into their needy coffers and not into the hands of some religious scam such as the catholic church all the way down to some store front faith healer.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by 69magpie

One problem with that, I doubt if doggo has 20 bucks to spare..

LOL!!!!!!

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by richief

Why the fuck would you give your hard earned cash to TV/internet scammers? Do you drop a $20 bill into the hands of every beggar you see on the street?

I give to three registered charities.

Asthma UK
British Heart Foundation
Myeloma UK.

I urge all of you to drop a few quid into their needy coffers and not into the hands of some religious scam such as the catholic church all the way down to some store front faith healer.

No, I drop 5 and $10 bills in the hands of beggars.....sad part about our country is about 30% of the homeless are vets. I have seen grown men cry when I handed them the money...I will then explain where they can go to get help...(fresh start-homeless center). In fact I like that kind of giving as I see where it is going even if it is only good for a day, but I think it gives them a little faith in others.

I agree most TV preachers are just plain con artist even if they believe what they are saying (sociopaths maybe)...although I don't much believe in the God they want to talk about but I have run across a few where their approach to faith ends up giving some good ways to deal with the practical way to handle life's problems.

AND I SEE you seem to give where you get you spiritual help from as I noted in one of my posts above. You need to stop hating yourself.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by 69magpie

One problem with that, I doubt if doggo has 20 bucks to spare..

Twenty dollars is what I usually put into the collection plate at church. I do not expect it to make a difference in my life, however. I love Christianity. Nevertheless, telling financially desperate people that if they tithe to the 700 Club their fortunes will improve seems over the top.

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by 69magpie

One problem with that, I doubt if doggo has 20 bucks to spare..

DL seems to me to be a basically good type person....

If someone can not play their rent then hell no don't give 20 bucks...

People can give their time in all types of ways and you never know who you might run into that sparks something within you that changes your life for the better.

A man wrapped up in himself makes for a small package.

[richief]

Originally Posted by RandyKnight

No, I drop 5 and $10 bills in the hands of beggars.....sad part about our country is about 30% of the homeless are vets. I have seen grown men cry when I handed them the money...I will then explain where they can go to get help...(fresh start-homeless center). In fact I like that kind of giving as I see where it is going even if it is only good for a day, but I think it gives them a little faith in others.

I agree most TV preachers are just plain con artist even if they believe what they are saying (sociopaths maybe)...although I don't much believe in the God they want to talk about but I have run across a few where their approach to faith ends up giving some good ways to deal with the practical way to handle life's problems.

AND I SEE you seem to give where you get you spiritual help from as I noted in one of my posts above. You need to stop hating yourself.

I do not get spiritual help, I have neither a soul nor a spirit that needs help, my needs are basically medical and have nothing whatsoever to do with any belief system.
I do not hate myself, I rarely question my actions and when I do I realise that I can and will live with the results. The only thing I would change would be to spend less time away from my young family.

[69magpie]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Twenty dollars is what I usually put into the collection plate at church. I do not expect it to make a difference in my life, however. I love Christianity. Nevertheless, telling financially desperate people that if they tithe to the 700 Club their fortunes will improve seems over the top.

And what does your church do with your $20, put it in their own bank or hand it out to the needy?.

[watcher 21]

ever seen a poor vicar ? ever see a starving vicar ? ever see a vicar living in a tent ?

what is it they say about a fool and his money ?

[richief]

Originally Posted by 69magpie

And what does your church do with your $20, put it in their own bank or hand it out to the needy?.

Not for church repairs, the one I was baptised in burnt down six months later and they still haven't rebuilt it.

[Pussy Shark]

The few times I've been recently I put in $20. They say that you're supposed to tithe 20% of what you earn. I can't afford that!

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by watcher 21

ever seen a poor vicar ? ever see a starving vicar ? ever see a vicar living in a tent ?

what is it they say about a fool and his money ?

There is evidence that persons who enter the clergy are leaving early because the bills are piling up faster than the income from the job, making it untenable to remain in the clergy, while many of those who remain in the clergy are hindered in their ministry because of financial stress...

About 60 percent of Protestant pastors serve in small churches, with an average weekly attendance of 100 or less. It was in these churches where the impact of church polity -- and the free market -- was most apparent, according to McMillan and Price. The median salary, including housing, for pastors serving small churches was $36,000 in connectional churches and $22,300 in congregational churches.
http://revcamp.blogspot.com/2006/12/...-research.html

[Druidoak]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I get e-mails from the 700 Club every few days. Most of the stuff is at best inspirational, and at worst harmless. If someone is able to quit dysfunctional behavior because of religious conversion they have my approval.

Nevertheless, every now and then there is a story about someone in desperate economic straits who decides to give ten percent of his or her income to the 700 Club and has marvelously good fortune soon afterwards.

If I was a political columnist I would write several columns about this. I would ask readers to write to me who had followed Pat Robertson's advice, and I would ask them to tell me what had happened.

What a crock! Three years ago, I lost my job, was put on disability by the VA, lost my apt., lost my car, computer, everything I owned. Guess what, I did the foot work, filed all the paperwork. Today I have a car, an apt. And food on the table! My spiritual path has shown me that the gods will not do for you, what you won't do for yourself!

They over spent, they dug their own hole. I doubt Jesus filled out the job app. that got her the job! They would be off putting that 10% in stocks!