Guns out of control

[amateurgifs]

agreed

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tim929

Again...you mis the point. The point I have been making is that there are other things in our society besides guns that come with inherent risks. Thos risks in many cases are substantialy greater than the risks posed by firearms. But because we percieve that there is some kind of personal benefit to these things we are willing to ignor the obvious risks and carry on as if everything were okay. Cars are just one example but doctors are another example. Roughly one quarter of a million people die every year as a result of medical accidents and malpractice. Yet we accept the risk. Far more people are permanently injured by doctors...again, the risk is deemed acceptable. Pharmasuiticals kill even more people still.In 2008, prescription pain meds alone killed over 15,000 people. And thats just pain meds...but the risk is regarded as neglegable. Alcohol related illness kills more people than traffic deaths and smoking combined and yet we stock our store shelves with it because the risk realy isnt that high.

What I am after here is the simple admission that guns are not in and of themselves the problem. There are a host of other issues that must be addressed first, befor the whole "lets ban the guns" argument can reasonably take place.



No...its not shocking at all. Guns, as I mentioned earlier were designed to kill people. Cars were not. They were designed for transportation and yet they are more efficient killers and maimers of people than guns are. Thats whats shocking. Something we regard as safe and harmless is in fact a blood thirsty killing machine bent on grinding men, women and children into a fine bloody pulp every day on our nations highways and roads. That should be fucking shocking. Sure, I find firearms deaths unacceptable unless they are resonably justified...but it doesnt come as any kind of shock that a gun would kill. They are supposed to do that. Cars arent. But the risks that are associated with cars dont even get mentioned on the news most of the time. Just a couple days after the theater shooting seven people died in a car accident in texas and it wasnt even a blip on the radar. Five more died the same day in another car crash and nobody batted an eye. Thats fucking sociopathic!



Again, people have learned to accept that risks becaus its something they like. Just like gun owners will defend guns because they like them. The only people who realy want to ban guns or institute harsh gun control measures are people who dont like them. Everyone else understands that just like a car, there are risks. If people didnt like their cars there would be no problem getting those murderous steel death boxes off the roads and replaced with busses and trains.



I forgot to point out above that there isnt "roughly the same amount of gun and traffic fatalities every year." There are MORE traffic fatalities every year and vastly more injuries every year. Two million plus to be more exact. The death toll from cars makes guns look safe by compairison.



There is no state in the united states that doesnt have some kind of mass transit opperating within its borders. Even Alaska has mass transit within the major cities. I live in a suburb and we have mass transit. My sister and her former room mate also live in the suburbs of other cities within the same state and they have busses too. Not as many as they could or should have...but they are there. And again. Take all the money spent on cars and spend it on mass transit instead and what do you have? Busses...lots of them...everywhere. Not that its something I actulay advocate. The point again is that we are willing to accept certain risks as long as we perceive that there is some benefit to the risk. If we dont perceive a benefit, we reject the risk. Simple human logic. Even if the risk is very slight we would reject it if there was no noticable benefit.



Again, the extreme right gets its fuel from the extreme left. The harder the extreme left gun control advocates fight, the harder the NRA wil pull the opposite direction. As long as the extremes are controling the discussion there will be no answers. I have always advocated that guns need to be licensed and that gun owners need to be trained and properly equiped with safes and locks befor they should be allowed to own a gun. But I will say again...it shouldnt make any difference what they own...just who owns it.

If this turns out to be true, and there's plenty of reason to doubt it is, I think this might defeat one of our earlier points about people using fully automatic weapons.

Shooter in custody, several injured after shooting near Texas A&M

COLLEGE STATION, TX (KLTV) - Several people, including law enforcement officers, are reported shot after an incident near the Texas A&M campus in College Station.

The shooting happened around the noon hour at the intersection of Fidelity and Highlands Street, just two blocks southeast of the Texas A&M University campus.


Texas A&M's Code Maroon Alert system issued an alert around 12:45p.m. saying police had the shooter in custody and urged the public to continue to avoid the area.


KBTX-TV reports the shooter was firing from a house with automatic weapons. They have also confirmed law enforcement are some of those reported shot in the incident.


For the latest emergency alerts from Texas A&M University: Click here.

http://www.kltv.com/story/19264793/s...exas-am-campus

[origen01]

Originally Posted by stumbler

If this turns out to be true, and there's plenty of reason to doubt it is, I think this might defeat one of our earlier points about people using fully automatic weapons.

Shooter in custody, several injured after shooting near Texas A&M




http://www.kltv.com/story/19264793/s...exas-am-campus

this deserves it's own thread. "Surprise! ANOTHER US Shooting"

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by origen01

this deserves it's own thread. "Surprise! ANOTHER US Shooting"

This one is pretty sketchy yet. They are claiming multiple people wounded including police but I've seen several different numbers so who knows. Apparently however there are no fatalities yet.

They are also claiming the shooter used automatic weapons which would be more like a machine gun than a semi automatic weapon. But that could just be the press now knowing anything about gun terminology.

[stumbler]

One fatality. He was a "Constable," one civilian woman wounded as well as two police officers.

[stumbler]

Update: Three fatalities now including the shooter.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by origen01

this deserves it's own thread. "Surprise! ANOTHER US Shooting"

Yep, another Obama supporter that is angry because he can't get a job. So he picks up a gun and does this....

Scumbag libtards with guns... A very dangerous combination.....

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Update: Three fatalities now including the shooter.

We will probably be reading out you one of these days stumbler....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Yep, another Obama supporter that is angry because he can't get a job. So he picks up a gun and does this....

Scumbag libtards with guns... A very dangerous combination.....

Let me show you once again just what a stupid and ignorant (two different things) brainwashed parrot you really are.

In an interview with KPRC, a local television station, Caffall’s stepfather, Richard Weaver, said Caffall was a “ticking time bomb” who quit his job nine months ago and vowed never to work again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1774282.html

[ridgerunner]

todays shooter was already mentaly unstable
the constable that was killed a good person and was loved within the community and will be very much missed

the shooter did quit his job and stopped paying al bills and even leaving the house
the police were there to evict the family when the man began firing from inside the house

sadly the officer was hit and died from his wounds
the shooter was also hit and died before medical could arrive

but this was not an issue of gun control, this was an example of family and friends not taking the steps to report mental illness

[xoxoxo3922]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

todays shooter was already mentaly unstable
the constable that was killed a good person and was loved within the community and will be very much missed

the shooter did quit his job and stopped paying al bills and even leaving the house
the police were there to evict the family when the man began firing from inside the house

sadly the officer was hit and died from his wounds
the shooter was also hit and died before medical could arrive

but this was not an issue of gun control, this was an example of family and friends not taking the steps to report mental illness

i thought there were three dead. the police officer, the gunman and somebody else.

i also saw reports saying the gunman was taken into custody but then died.

who was the other person? asking as we don't get much info here.

[ridgerunner]

the 3rd as an occupant of the home
and the few i do know of in the bryan pd say the shooter was dead before they would allow medical near him

so far reports are saying that that the constable and the shooter were pronounced dead at the hospital because in texas it requires either a doctor or a JP/judge to officialy pronounce death
the 3rd person was a 43 year old male
1 woman and 2 other officers were injured in the incident are are still in the hospital, the woman is in critical condition

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tim929

Again...you mis the point. The point I have been making is that there are other things in our society besides guns that come with inherent risks. Thos risks in many cases are substantialy greater than the risks posed by firearms. But because we percieve that there is some kind of personal benefit to these things we are willing to ignor the obvious risks and carry on as if everything were okay. Cars are just one example but doctors are another example. Roughly one quarter of a million people die every year as a result of medical accidents and malpractice. Yet we accept the risk. Far more people are permanently injured by doctors...again, the risk is deemed acceptable. Pharmasuiticals kill even more people still.In 2008, prescription pain meds alone killed over 15,000 people. And thats just pain meds...but the risk is regarded as neglegable. Alcohol related illness kills more people than traffic deaths and smoking combined and yet we stock our store shelves with it because the risk realy isnt that high.

What I am after here is the simple admission that guns are not in and of themselves the problem. There are a host of other issues that must be addressed first, befor the whole "lets ban the guns" argument can reasonably take place.



No...its not shocking at all. Guns, as I mentioned earlier were designed to kill people. Cars were not. They were designed for transportation and yet they are more efficient killers and maimers of people than guns are. Thats whats shocking. Something we regard as safe and harmless is in fact a blood thirsty killing machine bent on grinding men, women and children into a fine bloody pulp every day on our nations highways and roads. That should be fucking shocking. Sure, I find firearms deaths unacceptable unless they are resonably justified...but it doesnt come as any kind of shock that a gun would kill. They are supposed to do that. Cars arent. But the risks that are associated with cars dont even get mentioned on the news most of the time. Just a couple days after the theater shooting seven people died in a car accident in texas and it wasnt even a blip on the radar. Five more died the same day in another car crash and nobody batted an eye. Thats fucking sociopathic!



Again, people have learned to accept that risks becaus its something they like. Just like gun owners will defend guns because they like them. The only people who realy want to ban guns or institute harsh gun control measures are people who dont like them. Everyone else understands that just like a car, there are risks. If people didnt like their cars there would be no problem getting those murderous steel death boxes off the roads and replaced with busses and trains.



I forgot to point out above that there isnt "roughly the same amount of gun and traffic fatalities every year." There are MORE traffic fatalities every year and vastly more injuries every year. Two million plus to be more exact. The death toll from cars makes guns look safe by compairison.



There is no state in the united states that doesnt have some kind of mass transit opperating within its borders. Even Alaska has mass transit within the major cities. I live in a suburb and we have mass transit. My sister and her former room mate also live in the suburbs of other cities within the same state and they have busses too. Not as many as they could or should have...but they are there. And again. Take all the money spent on cars and spend it on mass transit instead and what do you have? Busses...lots of them...everywhere. Not that its something I actulay advocate. The point again is that we are willing to accept certain risks as long as we perceive that there is some benefit to the risk. If we dont perceive a benefit, we reject the risk. Simple human logic. Even if the risk is very slight we would reject it if there was no noticable benefit.



Again, the extreme right gets its fuel from the extreme left. The harder the extreme left gun control advocates fight, the harder the NRA wil pull the opposite direction. As long as the extremes are controling the discussion there will be no answers. I have always advocated that guns need to be licensed and that gun owners need to be trained and properly equiped with safes and locks befor they should be allowed to own a gun. But I will say again...it shouldnt make any difference what they own...just who owns it.

tim I think you have a fatal statistical flaw in your comparison to cars to guns. Take me for example. We only have two vehicles but I have seven guns. One friend of mine has only one vehicle and more than 15 guns. Now a good friend of mine does have five vehicles but he also has more than 100 guns. And there's at least one person on this thread claims he owns 400 guns and I know collectors that have more than 1,000 guns.

So while almost everyone is going to take their vehicle out on the road millions and millions of those guns your talking about don't even get shot let alone taken out in public where they could kill and/or injure someone.

That means your comparison to there being more auto deaths and inuries doesn't really hold water does it?

[tim929]

And here we go, yet again with the same old problem...

Thomas "Tres" Caffall, the man who police say killed two people—including a Texas constable—in a shooting near the Texas A&M University campus Monday was a "ticking time bomb," his stepfather says.

"He was crazy as hell," Richard Weaver, Caffall's stepfather, told KPRC-TV. "At one point, we were afraid that he was going to come up here and do something to his mother and me."

"We are devastated for the families that this SOB killed," Weaver said. "He was a ticking time bomb."

"It breaks our hearts his illness led to this," the statement read. Weaver told KPRC that Caffall had not spoken to his mother in several months.

[ridgerunner]

tim that idiotic statement only proves to show that the family of 1 deranged asshole failed to do thier civic duty to report someone that they believed to be unstable

and for the act of educating you it was 3 killed
1 was someone i knew brian bachman the constable
show an iota of fucking respect

the other innocent killed was chris northcliff and he was simply walking down the street

i do agree that certian changes need to made to the regulations on firearms but attempting to remove them from the legitimate owners is futile

and simply for not showing the proper respect for a falen officer i say fuck you you would probably piss on a soldiers grave you idiot

[shyguyy2]

Anyone concerend with government agencies that have little ot do with the military buying BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition lately?

[shyguyy2]

I ment MILLIONS, Typo sorry

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tim929

And here we go, yet again with the same old problem...

Thomas "Tres" Caffall, the man who police say killed two people—including a Texas constable—in a shooting near the Texas A&M University campus Monday was a "ticking time bomb," his stepfather says.

"He was crazy as hell," Richard Weaver, Caffall's stepfather, told KPRC-TV. "At one point, we were afraid that he was going to come up here and do something to his mother and me."

"We are devastated for the families that this SOB killed," Weaver said. "He was a ticking time bomb."

"It breaks our hearts his illness led to this," the statement read. Weaver told KPRC that Caffall had not spoken to his mother in several months.

And he stockpiled guns. You forgot to mention that. Just like you ignore that according to your report the crazies and keep them from buying guns is as useless as tits on a bore.

[stumbler]

Board Member Grover Norquist Repudiates NRA's "Massive Obama Conspiracy"

National Rifle Association board member Grover Norquist undermined the NRA's conspiracy theory that President Obama would use his second term to destroy the Second Amendment during a radio appearance on Monday. The NRA has used that claim as the centerpiece of their election efforts.


Citing the ability of Congress and the Supreme Court to check the power of the Executive Branch, Norquist stated, "So if Obama was king would he go after your guns? Probably. He ain't king." Norquist's comments came during the inaugural edition of Media Matters' new radio program, The Agenda:

ARI RABIN-HAVT, HOST: Now according to the [NRA's] CEO Wayne LaPierre, this is has all been part of -- and this is a quote -- "a massive Obama conspiracy" to quote "lull gun owners to sleep" so he can eliminate the Second Amendment in his second term. You know, you're a very reasonable guy. Frankly that statement seems unreasonable, that it's all part of a secret plot. Do you agree with Wayne LaPierre on that? That Barack Obama is trying to lull America to sleep so he can ban guns in his second term? Something I don't think is even legislatively possible at this point?


GROVER NORQUIST: I think in his heart of hearts Obama is not a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and would limit gun rights to the extent that he can. Now the good news for people who care about the Second Amendment is that the House and the Senate have strong support for the Second Amendment. So one of the reasons Obama has been reasonable is that he doesn't have the votes to do something other than be reasonable. And the Supreme Court has also come down on the side of an individual right to be armed. So if Obama was king would he go after your guns? Probably. He ain't king.

Norquist's statement that Obama "ain't king" stands in sharp contrast to the musings of NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, who has been warning NRA adherents about an Obama plot to end private gun ownership. The theory was first aired out at a political rally in September 2011, when LaPierre suggested that the president's inaction on the gun issue evidenced a "massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country." He went on to claim:

We see the president's strategy crystal clear: get re-elected, and with no other re-elections to worry about, get busy dismantling and destroying our firearms freedom. Erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and exorcise it from the U.S. Constitution. That's their agenda.

The theory has been widely ridiculed since its conception. Jon Stewart characterized it as "so crazy, it's f--king crazy." MSNBC host Rachel Maddow summed up the outlandish nature of the theory nicely in October 2011, stating, "The NRA says the way you can tell Obama is coming for your guns, is that he's not coming for you guns. It's genius! That is the insane paranoid message from the NRA this year." Hardball's Chris Matthews reacted to LaPierre's speech by calling him "another strain of the crazy far right."


But so far the mockery has done little to dampen the NRA's enthusiasm for pushing the conspiracy as the paramount theme of the organization's campaign against Obama's re-election.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08...nras-ma/189371

[shyguyy2]

I still want to know what the fuck the Social Security Admistration is doing buying 170,000+ rounds of ammunition. They have nothing to do with deffense.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

I still want to know what the fuck the Social Security Admistration is doing buying 170,000+ rounds of ammunition. They have nothing to do with deffense.

Where's your source for this? Because I'm pretty sure you don't even know what you're talking about again but I suspect its something like this:

Chain email says Homeland Security purchasing many bullets perhaps in anticipation of civil unrest or an invasion

Our ruling

Homeland Security has contracted to buy up to 450 million .40-caliber bullets -- and that total exceeds the nation’s population. Significantly, though, the purchase contract covers five years; there’s no indication the agency is piling up the bullets in a hurry.

More significantly, we found nothing to support the email’s ominous suggestions. Rather, the large size of the contract is explained as a way for the government to buy in bulk to save money on ammunition used routinely for training officers in a wide variety of agencies.

We rate the email Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...rchasing-many/

Or maybe this:

Senator Rand Paul Touts False Claim From ’9/11 Truth’ Conspiracy Site

This story is false (a point that Business Insider, who also linked to the story, should correct). In reality, the ammunition was ordered by the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, but a clerical error in the paperwork indicated otherwise. Worse, the article that Paul linked to was published on the homepage of what the Anti-Defamation League calls “The Conspiracy King.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...aul-info-wars/

[shyguyy2]

Here you go stubler!
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...s-2452280.html

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shyguyy2

Here you go stubler!
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...s-2452280.html

Now that is interesting and its all over the internet. But I'm betting there will be an explanation within a couple days. And if it does I'll get back to you.

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Now that is interesting and its all over the internet. But I'm betting there will be an explanation within a couple days. And if it does I'll get back to you.

Oh yeah right, why don't you ask Obama about it tonight after you get done sucking his dick....

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Oh yeah right, why don't you ask Obama about it tonight after you get done sucking his dick....

You know if you weren't a stupid, ignorant (two different things) brainwashed parrot you might have known there was another gun attack today but in all probability this was a liberal attacking people at a conservative anti pornography crusaders at the Family Research Council.

And that's probably a good bet because this is an ultra-conservative Christian fundamentalist organization and the attacker only managed to wound two people and got arrested anyway.

Family Research Council Shooting Wounds Security Guard (UPDATED) (PHOTOS)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1779232.html

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

You know if you weren't a stupid, ignorant (two different things) brainwashed parrot you might have known there was another gun attack today but in all probability this was a liberal attacking people at a conservative anti pornography crusaders at the Family Research Council.

And that's probably a good bet because this is an ultra-conservative Christian fundamentalist organization and the attacker only managed to wound two people and got arrested anyway.

Family Research Council Shooting Wounds Security Guard (UPDATED) (PHOTOS)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1779232.html

Since when do you liberals care about life and death?

July 27, 2012
The Liberal 'Right' to Violence

Jeannie DeAngelis

Sports teams with Indian names, candy, the First and Second Amendment, and skull-smashing football are some of the things that offend and/or concern the left. Therefore, interdiction has become a favorite liberal pastime. So far lefties have successfully curtailed or outlawed: large sugary sodas, Caucasians uttering the "N" word, the word "terrorist," Muslim slurs of any kind, Christian prayer, Christmas carols and Nativity scenes, and smoking in public settings.
To convince those who would normally oppose relinquishing another constitutional freedom, 'ban-happy' liberals use scare tactics to persuade the resistant to submit to their edicts. Yet, with death and disease as the criteria, somehow the bloodshed that defines abortion has remained exempt from the hot lights of liberal scrutiny.
Democrats denounce gun violence while federally funding a genocidal industry responsible for the deaths of more women and unborn children since 1973 than Rwanda, Pol Pot, Nazi Germany, Stalin, Tojo, the Armenian slaughter in Turkey, and Leopold II of Belgium -- combined. At any stage and for any reason, Barack Obama, the most radically pro-choice president to ever quote Scripture and his merry band of pro-death supporters will rise to the occasion and defend abortion on demand.
Rest assured the do-gooders on the left would have no problem doing battle on behalf of abortion while gleefully confiscating all guns, junking SUVs, and smacking a Big Gulp right out of the hands of a corpulent soda drinker.
Supposedly, to save lives, liberals are now using the massacre in Aurora, Colorado to call for more stringent firearm restrictions. Salivating in anticipation of exploiting a crisis to further control the sale and ownership of guns, President Obama flew to Aurora to comfort the victims' families and injured survivors.
As Obama publicly lamented the 12 untimely deaths at the hands of a gun-wielding madman, 1,005 miles away on S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago a young black woman named Tonya Reaves exercised her reproductive rights by subjecting herself and her unborn child to a scalpel and suction-wielding clinician who vacuumed the child from her womb and scraped any remaining fetal tissue from the walls of her uterus.
The second trimester abortion was incomplete and during the procedure the abortionist perforated Tonya's uterus. After Planned Parenthood waited 5 hours to get her the care she needed, Reaves hemorrhaged to death in a local hospital. Planned Parenthood, the premier provider of women's health care services, called the young woman's death an "accident."
Four days after Tonya's death while campaigning in Portland, just as he acknowledged the dead in Colorado, Ban-Happy Barack also paid homage to Tonya Reaves' death when he said, "Mr. Romney wants to get rid of funding for Planned Parenthood. I think that's a bad idea. I've got two daughters. I want them to control their own health care choices."
While Democrat enablers malign gun ownership, babies and their mothers perish at the hands of those who view death as business and life a throwaway commodity. Outside the clinic's death chambers, where more blood is spilled than any gun-related massacre in history, Planned Parenthood markets itself primarily as a mammography and women's health screening center.
But the truth is, if the world could see behind the sunny smiles, pink balloons and fun "games and quizzes," the brutality against humanity that defines Planned Parenthood makes the innocent blood spilled in Aurora pale in comparison, and Christensen Farms, Wal-Mart's pork supplier, look like a day at the beach.
Moreover, despite the kitschy public service announcements and a cool "Safe is Sexy T-shirt design" contest, 24 -year-old Tonya Reaves and her never-to-be-born child found out the hard way that Planned Parenthood is neither safe nor sexy.
After Reaves' death went public, Carole Brite of Planned Parenthood of Illinois attempted to do damage control by issuing a statement: "We were shocked and saddened upon learning of a tragic development at a nearby hospital. Our hearts go out to the loved ones of this patient."
Ms. Not-So-Brite maintained the party line, saying, "While legal abortion services in the United States have a very high safety record, tragedy such as this is devastating to loved ones and we offer our deepest sympathies. Planned Parenthood of Illinois cares deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient."
If a "high safety record" is the standard for not banning the brutality of abortion, how can you ban guns for one tragic incident in a highly safe environment like a movie theatre?
Moreover, if Planned Parenthood really "cares that deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient," why do they stock up on all those fetus-sized biohazard bags, and in Tonya Reaves' case, the occasional full-sized body bag?
Forging ahead for women's health and in anticipation of the 2012 election, Planned Parenthood launched a Barack Obama-friendly "gutting women's health and rights" political action website called www.womenarewatching.org. The "Women are Watching" slogan warns that "Politicians need to know we will hold them accountable on women's health issues."
Planned Parenthood enthusiast and "Women are Watching" video star Representative Gwen Moore (D-WI) contends that "Planned Parenthood is healthy for women, is healthy for children, and is healthy for our society."
Contrary to Gwen Moore's argument, Tonya Reaves found out that Planned Parenthood is not healthy for women, children, or society and poses a threat more dire than a sole madman going berserk in a movie theater with a semi-automatic rifle. Yet, despite the peril it poses, Planned Parenthood remains blameless in the eyes of the patron saint of abortion, Barack Obama, who favors bloodshed in the name of the right to choose in one venue while trying to deny the right to bear arms in another.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._violence.html

[tim929]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

tim that idiotic statement only proves to show that the family of 1 deranged asshole failed to do thier civic duty to report someone that they believed to be unstable

and for the act of educating you it was 3 killed
1 was someone i knew brian bachman the constable
show an iota of fucking respect

the other innocent killed was chris northcliff and he was simply walking down the street

i do agree that certian changes need to made to the regulations on firearms but attempting to remove them from the legitimate owners is futile

and simply for not showing the proper respect for a falen officer i say fuck you you would probably piss on a soldiers grave you idiot

Im not sure what you are upset about but it is pretty clear that you need to have your medications adjusted. Talk to your doctor as soon as possible.

[Lord_Coghill]

This thread has been great for finding out who all the anti-gun mouth breathing morons are and adding them to my ignore list. I like my guns and intend to keep them.

[ridgerunner]

better question is why did NOAA place an order for 46,000 rounds days before the SSA.
and tim i am not on any meds nor do i need them but you should show some respect for the dead and you dont and that was my issue

caffall was know to be mentaly unstable and those that did know did nothing
and do not refer to that scum by any nickname his lowclass family gave him

[shyguyy2]

I'm asuming they are buying all this ammo in loose form and loose ammo doesn't last as long as sealed "spam" cans or even ammo in USGI boxes. So they must be planning on using it and thats something I'd rather not think about.

[ridgerunner]

agencies are swapping the old issues for new issues and have to requalify
thats why my ammo suppliers are jacking up prices
and that was direct from winchester and ccc

[shyguyy2]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

agencies are swapping the old issues for new issues and have to requalify
thats why my ammo suppliers are jacking up prices
and that was direct from winchester and ccc

Makes better sence I guess and lessons my paranioa. I heard the military is switching back to a larger pistol insted of the M9. Maybe that has something to do with it to. I heard the army is looking at a .40S&W and the Marines are thinking of the 1911 again. I won't doubt if they all go back to .45ACP though.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

agencies are swapping the old issues for new issues and have to requalify
thats why my ammo suppliers are jacking up prices
and that was direct from winchester and ccc

I've still got some questions myself about this but this does sound like a logical explanation to me.

Also remember that due to President Obama's desire for government transparency orders like this are online now when before they would have been buried out of sight and out of mind.

But you just have to wonder about all those that are hoping for some kind of civil unrest or a civil war just because they lost an election and are fixin' to lose two.

[stumbler]

Louisiana 'ambush' kills 2 deputies, wounds 2

(CNN) -- Two sheriff's deputies died and two were wounded in a series of apparently linked shootings early Thursday in LaPlace, Louisiana, authorities said.


The first shooting happened in a parking lot at a steel plant in LaPlace, about 25 miles west of New Orleans, St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff Mike Tregre said. The second happened when the deputies went to a nearby trailer park to investigate the first shooting and were ambushed by a man armed with what Tregre described as an assault rifle, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/justic...hot/index.html

[subboy]

Originally Posted by Nymphette2

After the latest mass murder committed by a lawful gun carrying citizen in Denver. I guess the NRA , Ted Nudgent et al, will say its just another random thing, the maybe 50th random shooting/murder by a licensed gun owner this year alone.

However this one left 12 dead and 50 wounded, whats it going to take before Americans realize that their neighbor is NOT a responsible gun owner and it's better they all give up their guns, for every ones safety.

I dont dissagree with you regarding guns, i dont really see any need for someone to own ak47s of m16s and such, but if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them, I think the U.K is finding out at the momment that even though guns are banned people are still being shot, I myself with friends used to go shooting to a local gun club, military ranges etc and we allways have respected fire arms, the biggest issue is, well I have allways thought.... why do people feel the need to keep hundreds of rounds of ammo in the house, ..... why not only be able to aquire ammo on the days you go shooting ? you cant shoot anyone without bullets.
If you want to own a gun whats wrong with leaving it at the range

[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Louisiana 'ambush' kills 2 deputies, wounds 2




http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/justic...hot/index.html

Hey dick wad, did you hear? Another libtard with mental problems and a gun did it again today.

This is what stupid liberals do when they get their mentally deranged hands on a gun.


Accused gunman ripped Family Research Council policies before opening fire, sources say

Published August 16, 2012
FoxNews.com

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    FBI probing shooting at Family Research Council in DC
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    Deadly cop shooting outside of New Orleans

An FBI affidavit in the investigation of a shooting Wednesday at the downtown Washington, D.C., offices of the Family Research Council says the accused gunman uttered a statement to the effect of, "I don't like your politics," before reaching into a backpack for a handgun and opening fire.
Floyd Lee Corkins II, of Herndon, Va., 28, is charged with assault with intent to kill, in addition to federal firearms charges.
Corkins was wearing a white prison jumpsuit and showed no visible emotions or reactions at federal court Thursday.
When the judge asked if the 28-year-old could afford a private attorney, Corkins responded that he only had $300 to his name. The judge assigned a public defender.
He was ordered to be held without bond and a detention hearing was scheduled for next Friday. Prosecutors also asked for a mental evaluation.
Leo Johnson, an unarmed building operations manager, is being lauded by D.C. police as a hero for stopping and disarming Corkins before he could get into the building.
Surveillance video shows Johnson interacting with Corkins before he allegedly opened fire, striking Johnson in the arm. The security guard managed to wrestle Corkins to the ground and disarm him before he could get inside the group's offices.
"The security guard here is a hero, as far as I¹m concerned," D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said. "He did his job. The person never made it past the front."
Sources told Fox News that after Johnson disarmed Corkins, the gunman said: "Don't shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for."
Johnson underwent surgery late Wednesday. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, visited the hospital and said the surgery "went well" in a statement to Fox News.
"When I told him his actions were heroic in protecting his colleagues, he told me that he just reacted in the way he thought anyone at FRC would have responded," Perkins' statement read. "We are very grateful for the outpouring of prayers from literally around the world."
Perkins gave his first interview to Fox News' "America Live." He made it clear that he blamed the suspect for the shooting, but said he was "given a license" by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which labeled the Family Research Council as a hate group.
"I think it's time for people to realize what the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing with their reckless labeling of organizations that they disagree with," he said.
The Southern Poverty Law Center declined an interview request from the program.
Corkins had volunteered recently at a community center for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Two law enforcement officials said Corkins was carrying sandwiches from Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain whose chief executive¹s public opposition to same-sex marriage led to a heated national cultural debate, including boycotts and events held in support of the Atlanta-based chain.
Authorities say Corkins was carrying a 9-mm. Sig Sauer handgun that was purchased and owned legally, said Richard Marianos, special agent in charge of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Washington field office.
Corkins' backpack contained 50 rounds of ammunition and 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches, the FBI affidavit said.
The accused gunman's parents also told the FBI that their son held "strong opinions with respect to those who do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner," the affidvit said.
Authorities were investigating the attack as a case of domestic terrorism, although James McJunkin, the head of the FBI¹s Washington Field Office, said authorities do not yet know the gunman's motive.
"We don't know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group [the research council] or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing," McJunkin said Wednesday. "So we're going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can."
Corkins had been volunteering for roughly six months at The DC Center for the LGBT Community, according to David Mariner, executive director of the northwest Washington community center. Corkins usually staffed the center's front desk on Saturdays, and his most recent shift was about two weeks ago.
"He always struck me as a kind, gentle and unassuming young man," Mariner said. "I'm very surprised that he could be involved in something like this."
Mariner said he did not know Corkins well or have any conversations with him about the Chick-fil-A controversy or other political issues of interest to the gay community.
"I really only talked to him about volunteering, so I couldn't say anything about anything else," Mariner said.
The Family Research Council, according to its website, is a conservative nonprofit organization that seeks to advance "faith, family and freedom in public policy and public opinion." The group strongly opposes gay marriage and abortion and maintains a powerful lobbying presence on those causes, often testifying before Congress. The organization had also defended Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy for his remarks opposing gay marriage.
Meanwhile, advocacy groups across the ideological spectrum condemned the violence, with some casting it as a hate crime.
"Today's attack is the clearest sign we've seen that labeling pro-marriage groups as `hateful' must end," Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, said in a statement.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said President Obama, who was traveling in Iowa Wednesday, was informed of the 10:45 a.m. shooting shortly after 1 p.m.
"The president expressed his concern for the individual injured in the shooting and his strong belief that this type of violence has no place in our society," Carney said.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said in a statement that he was appalled.
"There is no place for such violence in our society," he said. "My prayers go out to the wounded security guard and his family, as well as all the people at the Family Research Council whose sense of security has been shattered by today's horrific events."
Authorities later seized Corkins' car at a northern Virginia Metro station and interviewed neighbors, several of whom spoke highly of his family.
"They were always so sweet and so nice," said Stephanie Meyer, who lives nearby Corkins' Virginia home. "They are awesome people. We never had any issues."
Corkins is not a member of the Air Force, but he may have lived at Andrews Air Force Base in some other capacity in the past, possibly as a dependent or family member, according to a U.S. Defense Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to provide personal information.
Amy Biondi and her husband Steve were visiting Washington from Long Island with their daughter and a friend and tried to ask officers for help with a parking meter when they were told there was a situation they had to deal with. The door to the FRC was opened, and an officer could be heard repeatedly shouting, "Put the gun down, put the gun down."
"Next thing you know there are police officers swarming the area," said Biondi, 45, a massage therapist from St. James, N.Y.
The family didn't get a close look inside, but they said the man that officers were talking to seemed to comply immediately.
Fox News' Mike Levine and The Associated Press contributed to this report.





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/16...#ixzz23kTMIXwV

[tim929]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

and tim i am not on any meds nor do i need them but you should show some respect for the dead and you dont and that was my issue.

I would appreciate it if you would post the quote where I was disrespectful of the dead. Im pretty sure you misread something. Im not in the habbit of disrespecting the dead unless they deserve it.

[ridgerunner]

i had some questions about why noaa, ssa, dhs would be purchasing .357 hollow points, .40jhp, .223

the DHS is moving its main offices to anacosta and ordered several check point booths, the 450million rounds ordered in march are just the tip of a 1.6 billion round total requisition
all departments are rearming to adapt the use of heavier (more lethal) firearms and ammunition that is normaly a 1 shot product

the .223 rounds are all set to be tungsten tipped

conspiracy theorists tend to believe its all to prep for civil unrest but now that the dhs is redacting order amounts it can be questioned

so stock up now
prices are about to go up massively

[Ed Itor]

Me I'm preparing for The Zombie Wars a/o Maya End Times, which ever comes first.

[AZRIEL]

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[ridgerunner]

nd the answer ti usgi boxes is yes
it is sealed case supply only
but the thought of ordering hollow pionts for "training and qualification" is disturbing and now i cannot even order any .40cal hanguns

[Druidoak]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

Hey dick wad, did you hear? Another libtard with mental problems and a gun did it again today.

This is what stupid liberals do when they get their mentally deranged hands on a gun.


Accused gunman ripped Family Research Council policies before opening fire, sources say

Published August 16, 2012
FoxNews.com

• 
  
  
• • 
    Family Research Council president speaks out on...
  • 
    FBI probing shooting at Family Research Council in DC
  • 
    Deadly cop shooting outside of New Orleans

An FBI affidavit in the investigation of a shooting Wednesday at the downtown Washington, D.C., offices of the Family Research Council says the accused gunman uttered a statement to the effect of, "I don't like your politics," before reaching into a backpack for a handgun and opening fire.
Floyd Lee Corkins II, of Herndon, Va., 28, is charged with assault with intent to kill, in addition to federal firearms charges.
Corkins was wearing a white prison jumpsuit and showed no visible emotions or reactions at federal court Thursday.
When the judge asked if the 28-year-old could afford a private attorney, Corkins responded that he only had $300 to his name. The judge assigned a public defender.
He was ordered to be held without bond and a detention hearing was scheduled for next Friday. Prosecutors also asked for a mental evaluation.
Leo Johnson, an unarmed building operations manager, is being lauded by D.C. police as a hero for stopping and disarming Corkins before he could get into the building.
Surveillance video shows Johnson interacting with Corkins before he allegedly opened fire, striking Johnson in the arm. The security guard managed to wrestle Corkins to the ground and disarm him before he could get inside the group's offices.
"The security guard here is a hero, as far as I¹m concerned," D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said. "He did his job. The person never made it past the front."
Sources told Fox News that after Johnson disarmed Corkins, the gunman said: "Don't shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for."
Johnson underwent surgery late Wednesday. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, visited the hospital and said the surgery "went well" in a statement to Fox News.
"When I told him his actions were heroic in protecting his colleagues, he told me that he just reacted in the way he thought anyone at FRC would have responded," Perkins' statement read. "We are very grateful for the outpouring of prayers from literally around the world."
Perkins gave his first interview to Fox News' "America Live." He made it clear that he blamed the suspect for the shooting, but said he was "given a license" by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which labeled the Family Research Council as a hate group.
"I think it's time for people to realize what the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing with their reckless labeling of organizations that they disagree with," he said.
The Southern Poverty Law Center declined an interview request from the program.
Corkins had volunteered recently at a community center for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Two law enforcement officials said Corkins was carrying sandwiches from Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain whose chief executive¹s public opposition to same-sex marriage led to a heated national cultural debate, including boycotts and events held in support of the Atlanta-based chain.
Authorities say Corkins was carrying a 9-mm. Sig Sauer handgun that was purchased and owned legally, said Richard Marianos, special agent in charge of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Washington field office.
Corkins' backpack contained 50 rounds of ammunition and 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches, the FBI affidavit said.
The accused gunman's parents also told the FBI that their son held "strong opinions with respect to those who do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner," the affidvit said.
Authorities were investigating the attack as a case of domestic terrorism, although James McJunkin, the head of the FBI¹s Washington Field Office, said authorities do not yet know the gunman's motive.
"We don't know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group [the research council] or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing," McJunkin said Wednesday. "So we're going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can."
Corkins had been volunteering for roughly six months at The DC Center for the LGBT Community, according to David Mariner, executive director of the northwest Washington community center. Corkins usually staffed the center's front desk on Saturdays, and his most recent shift was about two weeks ago.
"He always struck me as a kind, gentle and unassuming young man," Mariner said. "I'm very surprised that he could be involved in something like this."
Mariner said he did not know Corkins well or have any conversations with him about the Chick-fil-A controversy or other political issues of interest to the gay community.
"I really only talked to him about volunteering, so I couldn't say anything about anything else," Mariner said.
The Family Research Council, according to its website, is a conservative nonprofit organization that seeks to advance "faith, family and freedom in public policy and public opinion." The group strongly opposes gay marriage and abortion and maintains a powerful lobbying presence on those causes, often testifying before Congress. The organization had also defended Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy for his remarks opposing gay marriage.
Meanwhile, advocacy groups across the ideological spectrum condemned the violence, with some casting it as a hate crime.
"Today's attack is the clearest sign we've seen that labeling pro-marriage groups as `hateful' must end," Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, said in a statement.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said President Obama, who was traveling in Iowa Wednesday, was informed of the 10:45 a.m. shooting shortly after 1 p.m.
"The president expressed his concern for the individual injured in the shooting and his strong belief that this type of violence has no place in our society," Carney said.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said in a statement that he was appalled.
"There is no place for such violence in our society," he said. "My prayers go out to the wounded security guard and his family, as well as all the people at the Family Research Council whose sense of security has been shattered by today's horrific events."
Authorities later seized Corkins' car at a northern Virginia Metro station and interviewed neighbors, several of whom spoke highly of his family.
"They were always so sweet and so nice," said Stephanie Meyer, who lives nearby Corkins' Virginia home. "They are awesome people. We never had any issues."
Corkins is not a member of the Air Force, but he may have lived at Andrews Air Force Base in some other capacity in the past, possibly as a dependent or family member, according to a U.S. Defense Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to provide personal information.
Amy Biondi and her husband Steve were visiting Washington from Long Island with their daughter and a friend and tried to ask officers for help with a parking meter when they were told there was a situation they had to deal with. The door to the FRC was opened, and an officer could be heard repeatedly shouting, "Put the gun down, put the gun down."
"Next thing you know there are police officers swarming the area," said Biondi, 45, a massage therapist from St. James, N.Y.
The family didn't get a close look inside, but they said the man that officers were talking to seemed to comply immediately.
Fox News' Mike Levine and The Associated Press contributed to this report.





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/16...#ixzz23kTMIXwV

The FRC asswipes, need to be killed, to bad a smarter gunman did not step up!

[NewtonInk]

I googled "gun control"

first hit was

Ryan and Ted Nugent . . .

no judgement here.

[ridgerunner]

in local news today

PEARLAND, Texas—A suspect was shot in the stomach by police during an attempted bank robbery in Pearland Friday afternoon, according to authorities.
The incident happened around 1:30 p.m. in the 8700 block of W. Broadway near Cullen. Police say the suspect intended to rob Capital Bank.
An off-duty Houston police officer spotted the masked suspect carrying a shotgun in the parking lot and called 9-1-1. Pearland units quickly arrived on the scene. Pearland police headquarters is just a couple blocks away. Also, Pearland officers just happened to be in a training session. Many of them left to respond to the scene.
The suspect refused to drop the shotgun, according to Lt. Onesimo Lopez of the Pearland Police Department, when officers confronted him. Lt. Lopez said he began walking toward his SUV when officers opened fire, striking the armed suspect in the abdomen and thigh.
He was transported to Memorial Hermann Hospital with what Lt. Lopez said appeared to be non-life threatening injuries. His current condition is unknown.
No police officers were injured.
Those working in the strip center where the bank is located said they heard the shots and ran to the back of their offices to hide.
"We were scared," said a dentist who works in the center.

http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Polic...166565936.html




guns controled now get over it

[shyguyy2]

http://rt.com/usa/news/social-securi...t-bullets-968/
I don't even use hollow points. Because they are over kill.

[shyguyy2]

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[CS natureboy]

Originally Posted by Druidoak

The FRC asswipes, need to be killed, to bad a smarter gunman did not step up!

Spoken like a true hate filled, violent liberal democrat.

You represent the left and their way of thinking very well...

[stumbler]

Louisiana Ambush Suspect Tied To ‘Anti-Government Group’

A year ago, he was wanted by Nebraska authorities for allegedly making “terroristic threats” to law enforcement.


By Friday, investigators said Kyle Joekel, 28, was one of seven people involved in what was being described as a pair of ambushes on sheriff’s deputies outside of New Orleans. Two deputies were killed and two others wounded before it all came to an end early Thursday morning.


According to a report by the Shreveport Times, investigators in Louisiana had Joekel on their radar for months before the shooting and believed he was part of some sort of “anti-government group.”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ref=fpnewsfeed

[ridgerunner]

ok for once i am waiting on anyone to provide verifiable evidence of any of this years shooters political affiliations as either right or left, republican or democrat

prove that and then call anyone of them a libtard
for all we do know they could have been staunch republicans

[stumbler]

Old Bridge Shooting: Several Reportedly Killed In Mass Shooting At New Jersey Pathmark

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1845961.html