Mitt Romney, man of mystery

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

once people see past your glamour they realise what your really are, some are surprised others shocked but they all see the poison in you, they all see your bigotry and many do not like it.

Thank you for saying I am glamorous.

What you consider to be my poison and bigotry are conclusions logically derived from well documented facts. This is what I have to say to those who are offended by my opinions:

[stumbler]

Here's another Mitt Romney mystery. How can he say something one day and deny it the next and expect no one to notice he's flat out lying?

Romney: ‘I Did Not Speak About The Palestinian Culture’

Mitt Romney caused a stir in Jerusalem by suggesting Israel’s economic superiority over the Palestinian territories was a product of “culture” and “providence,” but the Republican candidate insists that he was misunderstood.


FOX News’s Carl Cameron grilled Romney on his remarks, which top Palestinian officials immediately denounced as “racist,” in an interview from Poland on Tuesday. The Obama campaign also accused Romney of needlessly inflaming tensions in the region.


Romney responded that he “did not speak about the Palestinian culture or the decisions made in their economy,” while adding broadly that a nation’s “choices” affect their outcomes.



“That is an interesting topic that perhaps can deserve scholarly analysis but I actually didn’t address that,” Romney said. “I certainly don’t intend to address that during my campaign. Instead I will point out that the choices a society makes have a profound impact on the economy and the vitality of that society.”


Romney’s insistence that he was not addressing Palestinian culture seems at odds with his lengthy and detailed speech at a fundraiser in which he offered up a direct comparison between the per capita GDP of Israel and the Palestinian territories before launching into an explanation of why he thinks culture and perhaps a little divine help are so important to the stronger Israeli economy.


“I was thinking this morning as I prepared to come into this room of a discussion I had across the country in the United States about my perceptions about differences between countries,” Romney said at the time. “As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality.”


Romney grossly overstated the Palestinian per capita GDP (it’s about $1,500) while underestimating the per capita Israeli GDP (about $31,000), but the juxtaposition was clear as he segued into an explanation of his “perceptions about differences between countries” based on a Harvard history professor’s book.


“Culture makes all the difference,” Romney said. “And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things.” One of the additional factors he cited was “the hand of providence.”


Palestinian officials said Romney’s remarks were offensive not only because they implied the Israelis were inherently superior as a people, but because they ignored that the Palestinian territories have been under military occupation for decades and residents face major restrictions on their movement and ability to conduct trade.


Romney’s campaign noted he has made similar comparisons of neighboring countries’ economic strength in previous speeches, including Israel and Egypt. His book No Apology also mentions the disparity between the Israeli and Palestinian economies in a passage referencing the same academic research. In the same Jerusalem speech he mentioned “Chile and Ecuador, Mexico and the United States,” as other examples where culture might help explain “such enormous disparities in the economic success of various countries.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...re.php?ref=fpa

[stumbler]

I don't think its any mystery that the Romney campaign is beginning to crack under the pressure of his constant fuck ups.

Romney Aide to Reporters: 'Kiss My *ss; This Is a Holy Site'

A Romney aide frustrated by questions about a series of gaffes the former Massachusetts governor made while Britain, Israel and Poland exploded on Monday and told reporters to "shove it."
During a visit to a memorial to Pope John Paul II in Poland, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney ignored questions from reporters about his overseas gaffes and his suggestion that Israelis were culturally superior to Palestinians, but traveling press secretary Rick Gorka responded with rage.
"This is a holy site for the Polish people," Gorka said. "Show some respect."
"We haven't had another chance to ask some questions," the reporter explained.
"Kiss my ass; this is a holy site for the Polish people," Gorka shot back, adding, "Shove it."
The aide later called two of the reporters to apologize, according to Politico.
"It was inappropriate," Gorka admitted.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...y-ss-holy-site

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by clarise

Captain,

For that past couple weeks I've been battling DistantLover, Baller, Stumbler and others. Trying to make the case that Obama is a pinko red diaper doper communist, and most likely an Indonesian citizen to boot. Your one picture says it better than I ever could. I am going to borrow it, but I'll give you credit for finding it.

I see that in my brief absence you've gone from being just an ordinary conservative to being a mindless, brain-dead conservative. I guess it isn't that much of a stretch.

[Kimiko]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I don't think its any mystery that the Romney campaign is beginning to crack under the pressure of his constant fuck ups.

Romney Aide to Reporters: 'Kiss My *ss; This Is a Holy Site'




http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...y-ss-holy-site

You know a campaign is in big trouble when these train wrecks happen on a daily basis.

[richief]

Originally Posted by CS natureboy

But, but, but, he's Obama...... So that makes it ok........

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Thank you for saying I am glamorous.

What you consider to be my poison and bigotry are conclusions logically derived from well documented facts. This is what I have to say to those who are offended by my opinions:

Try a different definition, one that suggests at hiding or masking.

glamour
1720, "magic, enchantment" (especially in phrase to cast the glamour), a variant of Scot. gramarye "magic, enchantment, spell," alt. of Eng. grammar (q.v.) with a medieval sense of "any sort of scholarship, especially occult learning." Popularized by the writings of Sir
Walter Scott (1771-1832). Sense of "magical beauty, alluring charm" first recorded 1840. Glamorous is 1882 (slang shortening glam first attested 1936); glamorize is 1936.

And please show me some facts where it shows that it is appropriate to use cancer as a joke, or where it is fine to wish someone an horrible death.

[shyguyy2]

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[stumbler]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

You know a campaign is in big trouble when these train wrecks happen on a daily basis.

I also know its a great day any time I see you.

But as you say this has been one long rolling disaster and the responses to those disasters for the most part only makes it worse or more controversial.

[stumbler]

I think this just about says it all.



In all, not Mitt Romney’s best week:

[stumbler]

It was just painfully obvious that Mitt Romney was patronizing Israel in an attempt at garnering a larger share of the US Jewish vote while the right wing false propaganda machine tried to claim President Obama was not a friend to Israel because he had not personally visited the country.

But I don't think anyone in the right wing false propaganda machine or even Romney's Campaign bothered to ask the Israelis what they thought of President Obama's relationship with Israel.

Israeli Defense Minister Undermines Right-Wing Narrative That Obama Is Anti-Israel

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak threw cold water on the right-wing media narrative that President Obama is anti-Israel, praising Obama for doing "more" for Israeli security than any other U.S. president.


In an interview with Wolf Blitzer that aired yesterday on CNN's The Situation Room, Barak responded to a question about the state of the current U.S.-Israeli relationship by saying, "I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing, in regard to our security, more than anything that I can remember in the past."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07...ht-wing/189039

[stumbler]

OH MAN this is even better.

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'

WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has what he says is an informed explanation for why Mitt Romney refuses to release additional tax returns. According a Bain investor, Reid charged, Romney didn't pay any taxes for 10 years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1724027.html

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

I see that in my brief absence you've gone from being just an ordinary conservative to being a mindless, brain-dead conservative. I guess it isn't that much of a stretch.

I am sure Frank Marshal Davis and William Ayers agree with you.

Welcome back, Kimiko! Missed you!

For mindless and brain-dead, you have to at least admit that I have all your boys spitting!

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Just another hint I was going to give you. Anyone insecure enough to shamelessly keep plugging their own writing is pretty obviously not much good at writing.

"Not very good" is an understatement. I suck at writing. But what else is there to do here? It sure as hell beats the stimulating company.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by stumbler

OH MAN this is even better.

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney 'Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years'



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1724027.html

I'm only re-quoting this because I got to thinking on the Willie Horton and Swift Boating, and the false accusations against George Bush that got Dan Rather fired and suddenly went Oh My God have we set ourselves up again. Are we the party of self-Destruction?

What if the information Reid got is actually just another one of those "Rat Fucking" missions to suck him in with false information. Allow Reid to put himself on the political gallows by making such an outrageous statement, and then the Romney Campaign pulls the lever on the trap door by producing his tax returns for the past 10 years and proving Reid and by extension the Democrats nothing more than liars and scoundrels.

That would be political Armageddon for the Democrats.

Surely the Romney Campaign will not miss that opportunity will they?

Because if they do then in stead of political Armageddon in those tax returns its Mittageddon and he knows it.

So now let's see if Mitt can knock Harry out or not. Because Reid has damn sure stepped into the ring.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I'm only re-quoting this because I got to thinking on the Willie Horton and Swift Boating, and the false accusations against George Bush that got Dan Rather fired and suddenly went Oh My God have we set ourselves up again. Are we the party of self-Destruction?

What if the information Reid got is actually just another one of those "Rat Fucking" missions to suck him in with false information. Allow Reid to put himself on the political gallows by making such an outrageous statement, and then the Romney Campaign pulls the lever on the trap door by producing his tax returns for the past 10 years and proving Reid and by extension the Democrats nothing more than liars and scoundrels.

That would be political Armageddon for the Democrats.

Surely the Romney Campaign will not miss that opportunity will they?

Because if they do then in stead of political Armageddon in those tax returns its Mittageddon and he knows it.

So now let's see if Mitt can knock Harry out or not. Because Reid has damn sure stepped into the ring.

Maybe Reid is just prejudiced against Mormons.

Mitt won't bother with Reid. Reid is a gnat. Sheesh. Mitt barely even bothers with Obama.

The damning thing about Romney is that he won't just keep his damned mouth shut and let Obama lose all on his own.

[RusHasCock]

[QUOTE;Speaking of total frauds. The conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers are nothing but. Remember when President Obama brushed off Russian President Putin with the comment that any new discussions would be better after the election?

Well where the fuck if the outrage over this?

Mitt Romney Says Israel Settlements 'Should Be Discussed In Private'




HOW MANY bales of 420 you been thru this week, Stumble-Gut ?
Today is only Tuesday, the 31st , I advise you cut back a bit, or your semi-trailer load will never last you thru the week !

Of course an ooooold liberal Democrat bastard like you won't care, you can always petition your little black bastard Daddy in D.C. for another "baleout" .


Now , y'all have a real nice week.

[AZRIEL]

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[stumbler]

Have you ever considered asking the mods to combine these to threads?

I've seen them do that for other members and this is one case when it actually might be less confusing.

Just a suggestion because I really like the thread but never know which one I'm on.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by clarise

Maybe Reid is just prejudiced against Mormons.

Mitt won't bother with Reid. Reid is a gnat. Sheesh. Mitt barely even bothers with Obama.

The damning thing about Romney is that he won't just keep his damned mouth shut and let Obama lose all on his own.

Reid is Mormon and the LDS church is one of the largest voting blocks in Nevada. And you remain an intellectual and academic fraud.

[Jamie90]

Hope the merging was ok...I thought the OP requested it, but he didn´t and I don´t know if I can re seperate them now

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by tommyturtle

I'm still waiting for Obama's college transcripts and IQ. I don't question his birth place. Bill O'Reilly showed the copy of the Honolulu newspaper announcing his birth.

How many presidents have released their college transcripts or even been asked to?

Originally Posted by tommyturtle

How many tax returns did Obama make public before his election? I don't think there is a law requiring any.

More than ten years worth. Here you can check them for yourself.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/websit...tialtaxreturns

[ladygodiva123]

"Mitt Romney Taxes for 2010 Not Fully Disclosed"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1683084.html

"Romney released his 2010 tax return in January of this year, a document that first informed voters about the existence of his Swiss bank account and financial activities in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. But people who own foreign bank accounts are required to file a separate document with the IRS that provides additional details on such overseas bank holdings, and Romney has not released that form to the public."

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by Kimiko

I see that in my brief absence you've gone from being just an ordinary conservative to being a mindless, brain-dead conservative. I guess it isn't that much of a stretch.

clarise's decline has been unsettling, like the meltdown of a parent.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Reid is Mormon and the LDS church is one of the largest voting blocks in Nevada. And you remain an intellectual and academic fraud.

Gee. Thanks for the revelation, Einstein. (You fool, didn't you catch the wink at the end?)

I think you ought to calm down a little bit and collect your breath. You are trying far too hard to spin this thread.

What are you so furious about? Can't it be that Romney gives credit to Israel for its successes, and gives credit to the Palestinians for their failures? (credit to Bret Stephens)

Maybe it all boils down to this: Mitt Romney knows the name of Israel's capital. And he can say it. In public.

Can Obama do that, Stumbler? Huh, you intellectual fraud? Do it now. Say it aloud.

You can't.

And neither can Obama.

Memo to Jay Carney: Tell your boss that Israel's capital city has a name, and that it is spelled J-E-R-U-S-A-L-E-M.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

clarise's decline has been unsettling, like the meltdown of a parent.

You're another one. You bolted from that other thread with your tail between your legs, because I have shown that the intellectual underpinning of all your racist bullshit, Dr. Charles Murray, is a Randian objectivist and a fan of Milton Friedman.

But go ahead and yuck it up. Be my guest.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

You're another one. You bolted from that other thread with your tail between your legs, because I have shown that the intellectual underpinning of all your racist bullshit, Dr. Charles Murray, is a Randian objectivist and a fan of Milton Friedman.

But go ahead and yuck it up. Be my guest.

When did I bolt with my tail between my legs?

Post the web address of where that happened, and the comment number or numbers.

I agree with Charles' Murray's biology while disagreeing with other aspects of his thinking. Because I believe in the primacy of genetics in determining rewards, I see little moral significance in the distribution of wealth and income.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

How many presidents have released their college transcripts or even been asked to?

George W. Bush did. And so did John Kerry.

That is one of the many reasons why we know that Bush is brighter than Kerry, despite hundreds of millions spent on marketing to try to convince us otherwise.

Yet Bush and Kerry didn't attend primary public school in Jakarta, which is open only to Indonesian citizens, and we have exhaustive history of their secondary school grades and scholastic aptitude scores, to verify that both men earned their matriculation at Yale and belonged there.

All we know about Obama is that he toked through his secondary education experience as a charter member of the Choom Gang.

But he's wicked smaaahhhhtttt.

Riggghhhhttttt. Just ask besotted Chris Matthews, and he'll tell you all about Obama's 160 IQ. LOL.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

When did I bolt with my tail between my legs?

Post the web address of where that happened, and the comment number or numbers.

I agree with Charles' Murray's biology while disagreeing with other aspects of his thinking. Because I believe in the primacy of genetics in determining rewards, I see little moral significance in the distribution of wealth and income.

As a scholar of Greek classics and an afficionado of the Socratic method, you should know that one cannot prove a negative. I cannot give you the web address and comment number of your absence. Sheesh.

Moral: stop the name-calling, already. It is unbecoming. I had words to say about Obama, but I have not written a single untoward word about you personally. (Okay, given your week-long artillery barrage, I may have slipped once or twice. )

[RandyKnight]

Originally Posted by AZRIEL

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too funny...

[ace's n 8's]

I have not seen the leftists so frothy mouthed rabid in all my days,, you yo-yo's must know the shit is flying to the fan.

[lenben]

Originally Posted by richief

Why the brouhaha over his tax returns, surely if he has done something dishonest the IRS will be chasing him, the fact that he may be richer than he says is nothing really, aren't most politicos richer than the electorate.

Here is why Romney is hiding his tax returns. Remember he is a big league Mormon (a bishop no less) and is obligated to tithe 10% of his income to the Mormon church. But - he has hidden money for years in Switzerland and the Grand Caymans. $Millions and $ Millions. So his "beloved" church does not get its payoff. Some might forgive him hiding from the tax man - but Mormons cannot forgive the cheating of their church. How embarrassing; how sneaky; how corrupt. That is why those returns will be be made public.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

As a scholar of Greek classics and an afficionado of the Socratic method, you should know that one cannot prove a negative. I cannot give you the web address and comment number of your absence. Sheesh.

Moral: stop the name-calling, already. It is unbecoming. I had words to say about Obama, but I have not written a single untoward word about you personally. (Okay, given your week-long artillery barrage, I may have slipped once or twice. )

I prefer to deal with facts and logic. When you devolved into a typical right wing nut case I reluctantly concluded that there was no point in feigning a respect for you that I was no longer able to feel.

[richief]

No, you prefer to deal with vanilla questions, how about an answer to the question I posed earlier, or is it too difficult for you.

[anon_de_plume]

Originally Posted by richief

Why the brouhaha over his tax returns, surely if he has done something dishonest the IRS will be chasing him, the fact that he may be richer than he says is nothing really, aren't most politicos richer than the electorate.

Legally the IRS can't publish his tax returns, and the real issue about showing his returns stems from his claims about what his real relationship with Bain. He says one thing, public revords show something else. Nothing Romney has done is illegal, it just calls into question his credibility.

[smcaaphd]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Have you ever considered asking the mods to combine these to threads?

I've seen them do that for other members and this is one case when it actually might be less confusing.

Just a suggestion because I really like the thread but never know which one I'm on.

Please don't ever start shit about merging threads again. Because the evidence is here for all to see that you only object when it suits you

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

No, you prefer to deal with vanilla questions, how about an answer to the question I posed earlier, or is it too difficult for you.

Originally Posted by richief

And please show me some facts where it shows that it is appropriate to use cancer as a joke, or where it is fine to wish someone an horrible death.

I did not make a joke of your cancer. sockaraus did that.

I do not recall wishing you to die a horrible death. I seem to remember you wishing that for me, or perhaps it was only a prediction.

[richief]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I did not make a joke of your cancer. sockaraus did that.

I do not recall wishing you to die a horrible death. I seem to remember you wishing that for me, or perhaps it was only a prediction.

I call bull shit on that, you provided the ammunition and certainly endorsed his remarks, never once telling your friend that it was wrong, even after other members prompted you. As for the second item you can now see why I dismiss your claim to be M of F, but rather a dismal guy who cannot remember all he posts.

[anon_de_plume]

Originally Posted by cptjohnstone

man of mystery?

So, Michelle gave up her license for questionable reasons?

(Jesus, what a stupid rule... I have make 10 posts before I can put a link in one... look it up on Snopes, this is False!)

I didn't think so... just another right-wing lie.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

I call bull shit on that, you provided the ammunition and certainly endorsed his remarks, never once telling your friend that it was wrong, even after other members prompted you. As for the second item you can now see why I dismiss your claim to be M of F, but rather a dismal guy who cannot remember all he posts.

In pointing out that you have cancer I was only repeating what you have acknowledged yourself. I would be able to sympathize with you if you were not so abusive. You started the acrimony between us when you flamed me whenever I said something nice about deidre79. Until then I had not noticed you.

For the record, I do not want you to die. I would like for you to leave me alone, however.

[anon_de_plume]

I'll be your staunch ally for $3B a year...

Originally Posted by clarise

RE: Reagan and Bush to Israel: First of all, I am not a Republican, and I find this "two wrongs make a right" stuff tedious. You have to go all the way back to Reagan to justify the way Obama shoved one of our staunchest allies out of the White House through the kitchen door? Okay. Whatever.

But over and above that, I am not suggesting that presidents should make an obligatory trip to the Wailing Wall just to work on their tans. Reagan beat the living crap out of Iran and did Carter's job for him, within the first six months of office. So people did not exactly have anxiety as to where Reagan stood in terms of the Middle East.

And Reagan didn't have the Arab Spring to deal with, did he? He didn't empower the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and leave Israel without a secure southern border, did he?

I mean, Stumbler, could even you imagine where Reagan would stand today, if Israel were to come to him with a request to assist in taking out Iran's uranium purification facilities? Do you think Reagan would be stonewalling Israel and telling them to "let the sanctions work" for a couple more years?

Netanyahu and Israel have washed their hands of Obama. They cannot rely on us to have their back in a fight. You can't admit that?

Fine. Don't concede it, if you can't.





You are taking material from spinmeisters who really do want Romney to start a war. He's damned by them no matter what he says.

Not that I care. I won't vote for him.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

Reagan beat the living crap out of Iran.

What did Ronald Reagan do to Iran that was so horrible?

There is reason to believe that he cut a deal with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election in return for weapons.

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The October Surprise conspiracy theory refers to an alleged plot to influence the outcome of the 1980 United States presidential election between incumbent Jimmy Carter (D–GA) and opponent Ronald Reagan (R–CA).

One of the leading, national issues during that year was the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Iran since November 4, 1979.[1] Reagan won the election. On the day of his inauguration, in fact, 20 min after he concluded his inaugural address, the Islamic Republic of Iran announced the release of the hostages. The timing gave rise to an allegation that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the election to thwart President Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

According to the allegation, the Reagan Administration rewarded Iran for its participation in the plot by supplying Iran with weapons via Israel and by unblocking Iranian government monetary assets in US banks.

After twelve years of mixed media attention, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation.

Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably former Iranian President Abulhassan Banisadr,[2] former Naval intelligence officer and National Security Council member Gary Sick; and former Reagan/Bush campaign and White House staffer Barbara Honegger—have stood by the allegation. There have been allegations that the plane crash that killed the Portuguese Prime Minister, Francisco de Sá Carneiro, in 1980 was in fact an assassination of the Defence Minister, Adelino Amaro da Costa, who had said that he had documents concerning the October surprise conspiracy theory and was planning on taking them to the United Nations General Assembly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October...spiracy_theory

[anon_de_plume]

Originally Posted by clarise

Maybe Reid is just prejudiced against Mormons.

Mitt won't bother with Reid. Reid is a gnat. Sheesh. Mitt barely even bothers with Obama.

The damning thing about Romney is that he won't just keep his damned mouth shut and let Obama lose all on his own.

So, Romney "barely even bothers with Obama", and yet he "won't keep just his damned mouth shut" about it...

Jeez, even the Republican base is talking out of both sides of the face, all so that Romney doesn't have to.

[richief]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

In pointing out that you have cancer I was only repeating what you have acknowledged yourself. I would be able to sympathize with you if you were not so abusive. You started the acrimony between us when you flamed me whenever I said something nice about deidre79. Until then I had not noticed you.

For the record, I do not want you to die. I would like for you to leave me alone, however.

And I wish you to learn the definition of flaming, people disagreeing with you is not flaming, if you start a dialogue in a public forum you have to expect posts that disagree with yours, but no, all you see is flames.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by richief

And I wish you to learn the definition of flaming, people disagreeing with you is not flaming, if you start a dialogue in a public forum you have to expect posts that disagree with yours, but no, all you see is flames.

This is not a rational rebuttal of one of my arguments. It is a personal insult. As a result it is typical of what you post.

Originally Posted by richief

please stop putting yourself on a pedestal you only make your self a bigger and easier target, your behaviour does not disappoint me, it is what I expect of you, once people see past your glamour they realise what your really are, some are surprised others shocked but they all see the poison in you, they all see your bigotry and many do not like it.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

What did Ronald Reagan do to Iran that was so horrible?

I meant it figuratively, but any drubbing that Iran takes, from anyone, I see as a good thing. Since I do not think they are speaking figuratively when they say they would like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and since I happen to think that would be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

There is reason to believe that he cut a deal with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election in return for weapons.

There is also reason to believe that there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll.

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

The October Surprise conspiracy theory refers to an alleged plot to influence the outcome of the 1980 United States presidential election between incumbent Jimmy Carter (D–GA) and opponent Ronald Reagan (R–CA).

One of the leading, national issues during that year was the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Iran since November 4, 1979.[1] Reagan won the election. On the day of his inauguration, in fact, 20 min after he concluded his inaugural address, the Islamic Republic of Iran announced the release of the hostages. The timing gave rise to an allegation that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the election to thwart President Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

According to the allegation, the Reagan Administration rewarded Iran for its participation in the plot by supplying Iran with weapons via Israel and by unblocking Iranian government monetary assets in US banks.

After twelve years of mixed media attention, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation.

Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably former Iranian President Abulhassan Banisadr,[2] former Naval intelligence officer and National Security Council member Gary Sick; and former Reagan/Bush campaign and White House staffer Barbara Honegger—have stood by the allegation. There have been allegations that the plane crash that killed the Portuguese Prime Minister, Francisco de Sá Carneiro, in 1980 was in fact an assassination of the Defence Minister, Adelino Amaro da Costa, who had said that he had documents concerning the October surprise conspiracy theory and was planning on taking them to the United Nations General Assembly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October...spiracy_theory

Interesting theory. No one can prove it. It is equally likely that Reagan simply made the phone call to Iran his first order of business. Something to the effect of, "There's a new sheriff in town, podner."

[clarise]

Originally Posted by anon_de_plume

I'll be your staunch ally for $3B a year...

Yeah, yeah.

Israel has compulsory military service. We do not even have a draft. Israeli youth have bled for us since 1948.

That $3 billion per annum does not keep rockets from hitting the country from all sides.

That $3 billion per annum does not give Israel a reliable endgame, should they have to go it alone in Iran.

That $3 billion per annum is barely adequate to protect Israel's technological and intellectual capital exports, on which we desperately depend, since the majority of U.S. VLSI firmware is engineered there.

DistantLover attributes "genetic superiority" to Israeli dominance in physics, mathematics and engineering. I strongly disagree with him on causation, but no reasonable, educated person can deny Israel's contributions to what passes for Western civilization.

We owe Israel for our way of life, dweeb. At $3 billion per year, we are getting their services cheap.

The capital of Israel is Jerusalem, dweeb. Jerusalem.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by lenben

Here is why Romney is hiding his tax returns. Remember he is a big league Mormon (a bishop no less) and is obligated to tithe 10% of his income to the Mormon church. But - he has hidden money for years in Switzerland and the Grand Caymans. $Millions and $ Millions. So his "beloved" church does not get its payoff. Some might forgive him hiding from the tax man - but Mormons cannot forgive the cheating of their church. How embarrassing; how sneaky; how corrupt. That is why those returns will be be made public.

Personally I cannot stand Romney, and I won't vote for him, but I can't let this stand. More left-wing crap. The desperation intensifies.

Romney is said to be worth around $140 million. A 10% tithe on his worth would be about $14 million, right?

You say he has money off the Caymans. How much? Let's be generous. Let's double his worth. That would make the tithe $28 million. Right?

Below is a picture of the temple that the Mormons built in Romney's Massachusetts home-town of Belmont. No, Mitt and Ann did not single-handedly build it. Not quite.

They only contributed $30 million.



I sincerely doubt the Mormon elders will be dunning Mitt and Ann for another pound of flesh anytime soon.

[anon_de_plume]

It is nothing but opinion for anyone to claim we owe our way of life to Israel... kind of makes you wonder how we survived the first 150 of our existance without them.

Were you not complaining about others calling you names? Don't really practice whsat you pontificate...

Originally Posted by clarise

Yeah, yeah.

Israel has compulsory military service. We do not even have a draft. Israeli youth have bled for us since 1948.

That $3 billion per annum does not keep rockets from hitting the country from all sides.

That $3 billion per annum does not give Israel a reliable endgame, should they have to go it alone in Iran.

That $3 billion per annum is barely adequate to protect Israel's technological and intellectual capital exports, on which we desperately depend, since the majority of U.S. VLSI firmware is engineered there.

DistantLover attributes "genetic superiority" to Israeli dominance in physics, mathematics and engineering. I strongly disagree with him on causation, but no reasonable, educated person can deny Israel's contributions to what passes for Western civilization.

We owe Israel for our way of life, dweeb. At $3 billion per year, we are getting their services cheap.

The capital of Israel is Jerusalem, dweeb. Jerusalem.

[stevebrown]

The only man of mystery is Barry Soetero

you are all stupid. truly.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

I meant it figuratively, but any drubbing that Iran takes, from anyone, I see as a good thing. Since I do not think they are speaking figuratively when they say they would like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and since I happen to think that would be a bad thing.

It is not necessary to invade Iran. All we need to do is subject the country to a month or so of really hard bombing.

First we take out their anti aircraft facilities. Then we destroy their missile sites. Then we bomb every possible nuclear site.