Mitt Romney, man of mystery

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by ladygodiva123

It became standard operating procedure for presidential candidates to release several years of tax returns when GEORGE ROMNEY first did it in 1968. It is NOT standard procedure to examine candidates college records. The only records that have come out in recent memory were George W. Bush's records from Yale. Those were leaked illegally.

Obama graduated with a JD, magna cum laude. He was selected to be an editor of the Harvard Law Review his first year and made the president his second year. How much fucking documentation do you need? He was elected president. You didn't vote for him and you won't vote for him again. Give it a rest.

See, you missed my point. The point is, they are both hypocrites; it's fine to demand the other fellow show his, but when it comes to mine, no way; that's private.

Then all the pundits start hopping up and down, claiming the "other" guy is hiding something, else why wouldn't he just show it, while bitching about the invasion of privacy for "their" guy.

The hell. Why don't they just tell us why we should vote for them, rather than why we Shouldn't vote for the other guy?

I award 100 poop units to the issue. To each of them.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shootersa

See, you missed my point. The point is, they are both hypocrites; it's fine to demand the other fellow show his, but when it comes to mine, no way; that's private.

Then all the pundits start hopping up and down, claiming the "other" guy is hiding something, else why wouldn't he just show it, while bitching about the invasion of privacy for "their" guy.

The hell. Why don't they just tell us why we should vote for them, rather than why we Shouldn't vote for the other guy?

I award 100 poop units to the issue. To each of them.

Really, but the other guy, Barack Obama did release his tax returns like all other candidates except Mitt Romney since his daddy did just like ladygodiva123 said.

And you talk about two faced hypocrites demanding things they won't produce themselves once again you need go no further than Mitt Romney who has demanded the tax returns of all his political opponents including even the spouse of one of his opponents.

So you're going to defend that glaring hypocrisy??

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Really, but the other guy, Barack Obama did release his tax returns like all other candidates except Mitt Romney since his daddy did just like ladygodiva123 said.

And you talk about two faced hypocrites demanding things they won't produce themselves once again you need go no further than Mitt Romney who has demanded the tax returns of all his political opponents including even the spouse of one of his opponents.

So you're going to defend that glaring hypocrisy??

(sigh)
I AM NOT DEFENDING EITHER ONE OF THESE HYPOCRITES. OBAMA IS A HYPOCRITE AND ROMNEY IS A HYPOCRITE.

I said the irony leaves me speechless........I specifically said "Without commenting on the whole "What's he got to hide" thing. Meaning both of them. Not defending one while bashing the other. Bashing both. They are both fucking hypocrites. That is the only point I was trying to make.

Got it now??

Why is that so hard to understand, and why the FUCK are you people so quick to defend your hypocrite and bash the other hypocrite?

THEY ARE BOTH FUCKING HYPOCRITES!

Understand?

[clarise]

Originally Posted by anon_de_plume

You know, why not find some of his classmates that were in school with him and ask them... or how about his instructors? I'm sure you will find someone willing to "swiftboat" Obama.

So far all that has been raised about this crap is just naysayers that don't like the man. And, yes, some of them are birthers, and some of them are even in Congress.

Also, your bias against him shows by your repeated use of the word "idiot"... I'm sure that someone such as yourself should be able to debate circles around an idiot. I doubt you could debate Obama.

Wrong.

So I suppose you do not know that his campaign spent more than $4million just to broom his college records?

Tell you what. Go back to dreamland, all the way to November. Don't think. That could lead to doubt. And doubt could lead to indecision. You have a job. Don't think. Just wake up in November, and do your job.

Sheesh.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by shootersa

(sigh)
I AM NOT DEFENDING EITHER ONE OF THESE HYPOCRITES. OBAMA IS A HYPOCRITE AND ROMNEY IS A HYPOCRITE.

I said the irony leaves me speechless........I specifically said "Without commenting on the whole "What's he got to hide" thing. Meaning both of them. Not defending one while bashing the other. Bashing both. They are both fucking hypocrites. That is the only point I was trying to make.

Got it now??

Why is that so hard to understand, and why the FUCK are you people so quick to defend your hypocrite and bash the other hypocrite?

THEY ARE BOTH FUCKING HYPOCRITES!

Understand?

Step 7: DON'T USE ALL CAPS IN YOUR POST
EVER. ‘Shouting' through the written word is pointless and annoying, clearly.
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-...internet-forum

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

Wrong.

So I suppose you do not know that his campaign spent more than $4million just to broom his college records?

An assertion like that should be documented using a credible source. If you learned that from Rush Limbaugh or FOX News it is almost certainly not true.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

An assertion like that should be documented using a credible source. If you learned that from Rush Limbaugh or FOX News it is almost certainly not true.

It is more true than Granny Warren's assertion that she is 1/32nd Cherokee.

It is more true than Barack Obama's assertion that he landed Editor of the Law Review by merit, after having written zero articles.

It is more true than Stockholm's assertion that Obama won the Peace Prize on merit after eleven days in office.

It is more true than Barry's assertion that he attended primary school in Jakarta as an American citizen.

It is more true than Barry's assertion that his whore mother worked for tax felon Tim Geithner's father in Pakeestahn as an American citizen, or that Barry obtained an American Visa on a U.S. passport as a Columbian student to slum it in Pakeestahn with his whore mother and Tim Geithner's gigolo father.

It is more true than Barry's assertion that Columbia accepted his dumb ass for matriculation as a U.S. citizen with zero academic credentials and nothing on his secondary school record bu a self-avowed credit as a charter member of his high school's Choom Gang.

It is more true than Barry's campaign's assertion that his whore mother is part slave. Sure, his whore mother most likely has had the filthy sperrm of a hundred slaves in her dirty clap infested twat over the years-- maybe even thousands-- but that doesn't mean she's any more black than Granny Warren is 1/32nd Cherokee.

It is more true than the Hawaiian governor's insistence that an authentic copy of his birth certificate exists in Hawaii's records, even though the Hawaiian governor has never found it, and even though the "official" version produced for Donald Trump after a three year wait has been doctored by Photoshop and is loaded with dozens of crop masks.

It is more true than Barry's assertion that he personally wrote Dreams of My Ghostwriter, even though the prose matches the syntactical and semantical style of the prose of William Ayers to near perfect correlation.

It is more true than Barry's assertion that he is not a communist, even though Frank Marshall Davis is his mentor, and it is more true than his assertion that Barry is a lover of Israel, even though he has kowtowed to Arabian shieks and has told the world that Israel should relinquish its territories back to the 1967 borders and even though Barry cannot name the capital city of Israel aloud.

It is more true than Barry's insistence that he does not have anarchistic tendencies, even though the terrorist William Ayers launched his political career in Chicago and ghostwrote his autobiography.

It is more true than Barry's insistence that he can stand on his record, even though David Axelrod finds a distraction on every Friday of every newsweek, so that the press will not dwell on Barry's record for a single solitary newsday, and even though Barry has no record to speak of, having voted "present" nearly two hundred times as a state senator, and despite having done absolutely nothing as a U.S. senator except run for El Presidente and win the Nobel Peace Prize.

Moral: You want to know about how Barry broomed his past life? Take a breather, get off this fucking hell hole for a single solitary day, and read a newspaper.

[ladygodiva123]

Originally Posted by shootersa

See, you missed my point. The point is, they are both hypocrites; it's fine to demand the other fellow show his, but when it comes to mine, no way; that's private.

Then all the pundits start hopping up and down, claiming the "other" guy is hiding something, else why wouldn't he just show it, while bitching about the invasion of privacy for "their" guy.

The hell. Why don't they just tell us why we should vote for them, rather than why we Shouldn't vote for the other guy?

I award 100 poop units to the issue. To each of them.

Obama has not asked to see Romney's birth certificate or his college records. That's the difference. He has asked Romney to reveal the same thing that ALL presidential candidates have been asked to reveal for decades - their tax returns.

It's especially telling that it was Mitt's own father that started the precedent. Showing his tax returns would clear up his income, how long he was with Bain (that seems to be in question) and how much he paid in taxes. Again, he has people in his own party that are asking him to do this, so why isn't he? It's SOP for presidential candidates. He gave McCain over 20 years worth of tax returns when he was being vetted to be VP. Then McCain chose Palin. Doesn't that concern you? I don't know if you supported Romney from the beginning or if you're just stuck with him now because you're a Republican, but be honest with yourself even if you aren't with us. The man is hiding something or he wouldn't be hiding it! Plain and simple. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

[spjames]

Originally Posted by clarise

It is more true than the Hawaiian governor's insistence that an authentic copy of his birth certificate exists in Hawaii's records, even though the Hawaiian governor has never found it, and even though the "official" version produced for Donald Trump after a three year wait has been doctored by Photoshop and is loaded with dozens of crop masks.

Whoa did you just crap birtherisms all over this thread?

[clarise]

Originally Posted by spjames

Whoa did you just crap birtherisms all over this thread?

Nope. Not a birther. Barry Hussein Soetoro is an American, born in U.S.A. Barry is born to a whore mother who conceived at seventeen to a Kenyan national polygamist. Down with that.

But I want to know if his whore mother abrogated his citizenship by making him an Indonesian citizen when his name changed to Soetoro.

And I want to know if, at Occidental, he checked any boxes. Namely, did he compensate for his idiocy by claiming to be Kenyan, as he plainly did throughout his college career, since he somehow failed to broom his publication marketing CV back at Harvard.

And I want to know if, during his Columbia days, he went to Pakeestahn to live with his whore mother and tax felon Tim Geithner's gigolo father as an American citizen, on a fraudulent U.S visa, or as an Indonesian citizen on his Indonesian passport, or as a Kenyan citizen.

Because if any of those scenarios are true, he abrogated his citizenship, which would explain why he's a filthy conniving mendacious calumnous little liar who can't put two extemporaneous words together without his teleprompter.

You got a passport, James? Have you ever read the fine print on that passport? If you have a passport and have ever read it, you might have a clue as to why this "birther" accusation from the brainwashed is growing a bit tired.

You can take your "birther" shit, shove it right up your needle-tight ass, and take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. (Apologies to Kurt Vonnegut. )

[spjames]

Originally Posted by clarise

Nope. Not a birther. Barry Hussein Soetoro is an American, born in U.S.A. Barry is born to a whore mother who conceived at seventeen to a Kenyan national polygamist. Down with that.

But I want to know if his whore mother abrogated his citizenship by making him an Indonesian citizen when his name changed to Soetoro.

And I want to know if, at Occidental, he checked any boxes. Namely, did he compensate for his idiocy by claiming to be Kenyan, as he plainly did throughout his college career, since he somehow failed to broom his publication marketing CV back at Harvard.

And I want to know if, during his Columbia days, he went to Pakeestahn to live with his whore mother and tax felon Tim Geithner's gigolo father as an American citizen, on a fraudulent U.S visa, or as an Indonesian citizen on his Indonesian passport, or as a Kenyan citizen.

Because if any of those scenarios are true, he abrogated his citizenship, which would explain why he's a filthy conniving mendacious calumnous little liar who can't put two extemporaneous words together without his teleprompter.

You got a passport, James? Have you ever read the fine print on that passport? If you have a passport and have ever read it, you might have a clue as to why this "birther" accusation from the brainwashed is growing a bit tired.

You can take your "birther" shit, shove it right up your needle-tight ass, and take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. (Apologies to Kurt Vonnegut. )

Did you get all that from World Net Daily or Rush or Fox News? Inquiring minds want to know. Or maybe you had a secret fling with Andrew Brietbart who wispered sweet sweet birther crap in your ear.

As much as the Republicans despise the guy don't you think by now they'd have drummed up some crap along those lines? There are Republican people and lawyers with 100 times your brain power and they ain't got shit. So what makes you think a few racist rubes who live in Arizona or someone who drills teeth in California are going to prove anything?

Remember use real tin foil because aluminum foil enhances the signals the government beams into your brain.

[ridgerunner]

clarise you are about as ignorant as a tree stump left to rot in the woods

and at the same time congrats for knowing the birth name
now onto the point
you call his mother a whore? and what are you?
do you not infact trade sex for some form of compensation?
all women do to some degree
while dating the guy pays for dinner, movies, drinks, etc..
and is hoping to get laid
is that prostitution?
then men buy ladies jewelry and houses and cars
is that prostitution?

take your head out of your ass and grow up life is prostitution
if you dont like obama just fucking say so and end the debate hell admit you are a racist

[clarise]

Originally Posted by ridgerunner

clarise you are about as ignorant as a tree stump left to rot in the woods

and at the same time congrats for knowing the birth name
now onto the point
you call his mother a whore? and what are you?
do you not infact trade sex for some form of compensation?
all women do to some degree
while dating the guy pays for dinner, movies, drinks, etc..
and is hoping to get laid
is that prostitution?
then men buy ladies jewelry and houses and cars
is that prostitution?

take your head out of your ass and grow up life is prostitution
if you dont like obama just fucking say so and end the debate hell admit you are a racist

There it is. The last word of your post. Blaspheme the Messiah, and you're a racist.

This racist wants Condee Rice for vice president. So sit down and work on your schtick, dude.

[stumbler]

Remember when Mitt Romney said corporations are people too.

Romney won’t release taxes because ‘I’m not a business’

Mitt Romney says corporations are people, but people are not corporations — at least when it comes to releasing his tax returns.



In an interview with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said he would not be releasing more than two years of tax returns because “I am not a business.”


Executive editor Josh Tyrangiel asked Romney why the American people shouldn’t be entitled to the same information from a presidential candidate that he would have required as the CEO of Bain Capital before investing in a company.



“If you’re an investor and you’re looking at a company, and that company says that its great strength is wise management and fiscal know-how, wouldn’t you want to see the previous, say, five years’ worth of its financials?” Tyrangiel wondered.



“I’m not a business,” Romney insisted. “We have a process in this country, which was established by law, which provides for the transparency which candidates are required to meet. I have met with that requirement with full financial disclosure of all my investments, but in addition have provided and will provide a full two years of tax returns.”


“This happens to be exactly the same as with John McCain when he ran for office four years ago. And the Obama team had no difficulty with that circumstance,” the former Massachusetts governor continued. “The difference between then and now is that President Obama has a failed economic record and is trying to find any issue he can to deflect from the failure of his record. ”


In recent days, Democrats have turned up the pressure on Romney to release more than two years of tax returns. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has gone so far as to claim that the candidate “didn’t pay any taxes for 10 years.”


Speaking to ABC’s David Muir last month, Romney said that he wouldn’t be qualified to be president if he paid “more than are legally due.”


“I haven’t looked at the tax rate paid year by year,” Romney explained. “I know that I pay a very substantial amount of taxes and every year since the beginning of my career so far as I can recall.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/0...ot-a-business/

[clarise]

Originally Posted by spjames

Did you get all that from World Net Daily or Rush or Fox News? Inquiring minds want to know. Or maybe you had a secret fling with Andrew Brietbart who wispered sweet sweet birther crap in your ear.

As much as the Republicans despise the guy don't you think by now they'd have drummed up some crap along those lines? There are Republican people and lawyers with 100 times your brain power and they ain't got shit. So what makes you think a few racist rubes who live in Arizona or someone who drills teeth in California are going to prove anything?

Remember use real tin foil because aluminum foil enhances the signals the government beams into your brain.

Dont' watch Fox. Don't read Breitbart. Don't listen to Rush. (But he will be back to Boston soon! )

Can't prove a negative, as Reid is learning now. Or maybe he isn't. He doesn't have much for brains, either.

Obama himself claims to have been born in Kenya. It is on his promotional material. He claims to have attended primary school in Jakarta. He claims to have spent time in Pakeestahn during his Columbia years.

Read Dreams of My Ghostwriter, for godssakes. I know you have a copy. Read it.

But you are right. None of it can be corroborated, because all we have are Obama's own claims, and he lies as he breathes.

All we have are the liar's own claims, because all of the relevant primary documentation is suppressed. From his baptismal and birth records all the way down to his thesis, and everything in between. All but the few trace snippets that failed to get broomed, like the promo pieces for his books.

What I find curious is the utter lack of curiosity on the part of the left, as to why none of his records will be released. Four years ago, the Associated Press put several reports, for weeks on end, literally going through dumpsters, sifting through Sarah Palin's trash, to try to prove that she was a subversive.

For an inconsequential nit like Palin, cost was no object, and they went through her life with a sieve.

But Obama? Nope. Nothing to see here, folks. Not even a stitch of curiosity.

But that is the way of true believers. The defining characteristic of a true believer: the refusal to think.

[stumbler]

I swear Mitt Romney proves himself more of a phony everyday.

Analysis: Most of Romeny’s new Twitter followers are fake

Most of Mitt Romney‘s newest Twitter followers are fake, according to an investigation of bogus social media accounts.


A pay-for-follower service most likely drove the presumptive Republican nominee’s recent and dramatic spike in online followers, concluded Baccardua Labs, a digital security company.


The widely reported surge in tens of thousands of new followers for@mittromney from 21 July – which provoked commentary and suspicion – appeared to have been purchased from a dealer, it said: “We believe most of these recent followers of Romney are not from a general Twitter population but most likely from a paid Twitter follower service.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/0...wers-are-fake/

[stumbler]

Now this is some funny shit here. Which ol' Rush sure isn't laughing at.

Radio Silence From Romney As Conservatives Demand Answers On Health Care

Mitt Romney’s press secretary Andrea Saul turned heads this week by glowingly citing the former governor’s Massachusetts health care reforms, a taboo topic during the Republican primaries. But the Romney campaign has gone silent amid conservative outcry, leaving it unclear whether touting the law was part of a new strategy or an accidental aside.



On Tuesday and Wednesday, Saul correctly noted in TV interviews that a man featured in a Democratic attack ad who lost his insurance would have been able to obtain coverage under Romney’s health care law had he lived in Massachusetts.



Right-wing pundits recoiled in horror, frightened that Saul’s remarks could be a sign the candidate might start promoting the law despite the party’s continued push to repeal Obama’s similar law, the Affordable Care Act.


“What conservatives are doing re Andrea Saul’s comment is the same as how you housebreak your dog,” RedState editor Dan McClaughlin tweeted. “Romney needs to know not to go there.”
Many interpreted Saul’s remarks as a mistake. Ann Coulter demanded that she be fired.



But it’s still not clear whether Saul was off message. For one thing, she said almost the same thing twice within 24 hours in separate interviews, suggesting it was more than just an offhand comment. For another, Romney mentioned his health care law in a speech Wednesday too, claiming that his work in Massachusetts would help him fix health care in Washington.



The Romney campaign itself might not be entirely sure whether it’s going to push a renewed appreciation for universal health care and mandates, either. As of Thursday afternoon, Romney aides and surrogates had offered no explanation to soothe conservative tempers, nor had they indicated that the move was intended to court independents and moderates.



Romney officials did not respond to requests for comment from TPM. Meanwhile, the Rush Limbaughs of the world are calling for blood.

[shootersa]

Shooter shakes his head in resignation.

These people have their heads so far up their candidates ass they forgot what shit smells like.

But, they claim they can smell the other guys shit from 10 miles away.

We are all of us in deep shit!

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by shootersa

Shooter shakes his head in resignation.

These people have their heads so far up their candidates ass they forgot what shit smells like.

But, they claim they can smell the other guys shit from 10 miles away.

We are all of us in deep shit!

I can smell bullshit all the way from Arizona I can tell you that.

[SalineSolution]

,

[stumbler]

Obama Up Over Romney By Seven As Negative Ads Take A Toll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1761713.html

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Obama Up Over Romney By Seven As Negative Ads Take A Toll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1761713.html

Really, Stumbler. I am sitting here, fooling around with VBulletin formatting in preview mode (long story) and occasionally lurking on your posts, in the hopes of being entertained.

Try harder, boss man. Sheesh.

A CNN poll?

This momentous news will make your good pal, DistantLover, applaud. That's about it.

If CNN even pretended to report news, it would have a market share greater than 2%.

And you really ought to be looking beyond Huffington these days. No one cares about whether Bain Capital closed the steel mill. Everyone wants to know whether the Obama Campaign broke federal law by furnishing the Super-PAC with the Soptic footage, because in the ad his wardrobe exactly matches the garb he wore for a televised conference with Obama's re-election campaign senior staff back in May.

And Mr. Soptic is a filthy liar and a tool, because he has appeared in ads before, and never mentioned his wife. TWO YEARS AGO, IN FACT.

That man is a liar and a tool, and this little tempest in a teapot is hurting Obama much more than it is hurting Romney. (Apologies to Soptic's darling wifey. Shame she had to die. But fact is, she had her OWN insurance, and was never on HIS insurance, and Soptic got another job a couple years after the steel mill laid him off, which provided him with NEW insurance, and his darling wife contracted cancer a couple years after that, so Romney had nothing to do with it, above and beyond which, if Bain Capital hadn't bought that distressed company, it would have closed all on its own several years before they managed to keep it on life support!)

But you won't get any of that on Huffington.

Because darling "Don't-Cry-for-Me-Ariana" is an Obama TOOL, too.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by clarise

Really, Stumbler. I am sitting here, fooling around with VBulletin formatting in preview mode (long story) and occasionally lurking on your posts, in the hopes of being entertained.

Try harder, boss man. Sheesh.

A CNN poll?

This momentous news will make your good pal, DistantLover, applaud. That's about it.

If CNN even pretended to report news, it would have a market share greater than 2%.

And you really ought to be looking beyond Huffington these days. No one cares about whether Bain Capital closed the steel mill. Everyone wants to know whether the Obama Campaign broke federal law by furnishing the Super-PAC with the Soptic footage, because in the ad his wardrobe exactly matches the garb he wore for a televised conference with Obama's re-election campaign senior staff back in May.

And Mr. Soptic is a filthy liar and a tool, because he has appeared in ads before, and never mentioned his wife. TWO YEARS AGO, IN FACT.

That man is a liar and a tool, and this little tempest in a teapot is hurting Obama much more than it is hurting Romney. (Apologies to Soptic's darling wifey. Shame she had to die. But fact is, she had her OWN insurance, and was never on HIS insurance, and Soptic got another job a couple years after the steel mill laid him off, which provided him with NEW insurance, and his darling wife contracted cancer a couple years after that, so Romney had nothing to do with it, above and beyond which, if Bain Capital hadn't bought that distressed company, it would have closed all on its own several years before they managed to keep it on life support!)

But you won't get any of that on Huffington.

Because darling "Don't-Cry-for-Me-Ariana" is an Obama TOOL, too.

Yeah but if only he'd been in Massachusetts he wouldn't have lost his insurance just because Bain Capitol closed the steel mill. Because he and his wife would have had Romneycare. At least that's what a senior Romney Campaign official said twice the other day.

But when it comes to polls which admittedly change all the time the only one I've seen where Obama is not leading is Rasmussen.

Must be a nice view from your plastic bubble though.

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Yeah but if only he'd been in Massachusetts he wouldn't have lost his insurance just because Bain Capitol closed the steel mill. Because he and his wife would have had Romneycare. At least that's what a senior Romney Campaign official said twice the other day.

But when it comes to polls which admittedly change all the time the only one I've seen where Obama is not leading is Rasmussen.

Must be a nice view from your plastic bubble though.

Not at all. I can't stand Romney and hope he loses, but when you speak of polls, the Rasmussen balances all the others, because it is one of the few that uses statistically valid samples of likely voters, instead of skewed subscriber bases of registered voters. There are a couple of other decent polls being run at universities. Suffolk has a reliable one. I think Quinnipeac's poll is okay. The rest are not worth a glance.

Rasmussen had McCain beat by this time four years ago, didn't it?


But back to Soptic. His wife wasn't even on his mill insurance. She had her own, and kept after he lost is job. So he's full of shit. He's a lying tool. Condolences to the wife, but the widower is a turd.

As for that bigmouth in the Romney campaign-- what is her name? Allison? Audrey? Well, whatever it is, you're right. Leave it to those morons to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'm done fooling around in VBulletin. Waste of time. Thanks for the posts. Going to dinner.

[stumbler]

Maybe you guys will like this poll better after all its from Fox News.

Fox poll: Obama 49, Romney 40

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/?hp=bh

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Maybe you guys will like this poll better after all its from Fox News.

Fox poll: Obama 49, Romney 40

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/?hp=bh

Lets see here,,could I accept Obama over Romney in the White House,,I guess I could under certain conditions and terms.

I could accept Obama winning re-election as president, especially when the GOP is running congress, the Senate and the House.

POLLS ARE IRRELEVANT!!!!!,,next month Romney will be up by 6%..

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by stumbler

I can smell bullshit all the way from Arizona I can tell you that.

! You're in Arizona??!!??
Hell, swing by, I'll buy you a beer.......

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Lets see here,,could I accept Obama over Romney in the White House,,I guess I could under certain conditions and terms.

I could accept Obama winning re-election as president, especially when the GOP is running congress, the Senate and the House.

POLLS ARE IRRELEVANT!!!!!,,next month Romney will be up by 6%..

Well I'll just sit here and watch it with you Ace especially since right now at least the polls are showing Democratic gains in the House and Senate as well as the Presidential Race.

Originally Posted by shootersa

! You're in Arizona??!!??
Hell, swing by, I'll buy you a beer.......

No I can smell your bullshit from here and don't want to get any closer to you than that.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Well I'll just sit here and watch it with you Ace especially since right now at least the polls are showing Democratic gains in the House and Senate as well as the Presidential Race.

No doubt in my mind buddy..

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Maybe you guys will like this poll better after all its from Fox News.

Fox poll: Obama 49, Romney 40

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/?hp=bh

Nope. That one's trash, too, but good try.

The Wall St. Journal this morning cites Rasmussen, putting Obama ahead by 1%, which is within the margin of error and therefore puts them at a tie.

That is the only poll lately that is reasonable.

CNN and Fox are about equal: trash.

[clarise]

What I find interesting about the race at this point is that Rasmussen has the Democrats and Republicans in a dead heat, despite the fact that Obama has burned through much of his warchest. Romney has spent very little over the past few months, because he is still only the "presumptive" candidate and therefore can't spend party funds.

Obama has burned through many tens of millions and has not achieved sufficient lift to raise himself into a clear lead.

In September, unless Obama comes up with a big score from Hollywood and Wall Street, Romney is going to go on the offensive and take him to the cleaners in every major media market.

The same thing is happening right now in Massachusetts, between Scott Brown and Granny. Scott Brown is biding his time, and Granny is burning through millions with saturation television, yet she hasn't been able to buy herself a lead. Brown is just sitting back and letting her burn through her funds.

As for the presidential race, I detest Romney so intensely that I honestly do not care who wins. I will probably vote libertarian.

But I do very much want Scott Brown to win, because Granny is a mendacious, calumnous little liar, fraud, and plagiarist. I want her to lose, so I can knock on her door at the Harvard Law School and say, "Well, Granny, the Peoples Republic isn't ready for a Cherokee senator yet, but you still got this cushy little tenure gig at the Cambridge Moonbat Factory. John Harvard must be proud. GOOD FOR YOU."

[Whitey44]

Now that more people are being hired for new jobs in the USA, me included, I think President Obama will be seen favorably in terms of recovery from the recession. On the other handy, Romney has a reputation for promoting the outsourcing of US jobs overseas.

From that most important perspective, Obama should clearly come out ahead of Romney in this election.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by clarise

Nope. That one's trash, too, but good try.

The Wall St. Journal this morning cites Rasmussen, putting Obama ahead by 1%, which is within the margin of error and therefore puts them at a tie.

That is the only poll lately that is reasonable.

CNN and Fox are about equal: trash.

So you're saying Rasmussen and the WSJ aren't biased sources?

You remain both an academic and intellectual fraud.

RCP Average7/11 - 8/9----48.444.0Obama +4.4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1171.html

[stumbler]

Nice move Mitt. This will show how well you relate to the middle class and farmers.

Romney Visits Iowa ‘Farmer’ Who Is Also A Millionaire Real Estate Mogul With A Spaceship House And Personal Car Wash

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...onal-car-wash/

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

Nope. That one's trash, too, but good try.

The Wall St. Journal this morning cites Rasmussen, putting Obama ahead by 1%, which is within the margin of error and therefore puts them at a tie.

That is the only poll lately that is reasonable.

CNN and Fox are about equal: trash.

The New York Times November 4, 2010

On Tuesday, polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates.

Other polling firms, like SurveyUSA and Quinnipiac University, produced more reliable results in Senate and gubernatorial races. A firm that conducts surveys by Internet, YouGov, also performed relatively well.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rmed-strongly/

Quinnipiac has Obama ahead by three percent.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1171.html

Real Clear Politics has Obama comfortably ahead in the Electoral College.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

[stumbler]

Jon Huntsman Sr., longtime Romney backer, calls on him to release tax returns

But I just got off the phone with Huntsman, and he confirmed to me that he is not Reid’s source.


However, in a move that could be significant, Huntsman forcefully called on Romney to release his tax returns. This matters, because Huntsman is a longtime backer of Romney — he has long been close to Romney; he supported his early campaigns; he was the national finance chairman of Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign; and he has raised a lot of money for him over the years. (He backed his own son in the latest GOP primary.)



“I feel very badly that Mitt won’t release his taxes and won’t be fair with the American people,” Huntsman told me. In a reference to Romney’s father, who pioneered the release of returns as a presidential candidate, Huntsman said: “I loved George. He always said, pay your taxes for at least 10 or 12 years.” (See update below.)


“Mr. Romney ought to square with the American people and release his taxes like any other candidate,” Huntsman said. “I’ve supported Mitt all along. I wish him well. But I do think he should release his income taxes.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c106_blog.html

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Jon Huntsman Sr., longtime Romney backer, calls on him to release tax returns




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c106_blog.html

Is anyone on the left, who has been a longtime backer of Obama calling on Obama to release some school/college records??

[stumbler]

And if this doesn't amount to absolute surrender on Romney's part I'll be amazed.

Romney To Obama: Let’s Agree Not To Discuss My Business Record Or Tax Returns

Mitt Romney — who has placed his business record at the centerpiece of his presidential campaign — is now asking President Obama to stop discussing his tenure with Bain Capital.



During an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd, the former Massachusetts governor asked Obama to avoid discussing “business or family or taxes or things of that nature”:

“[O]ur campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature.” [...]


“[W]e only talk about issues. And we can talk about the differences between our positions and our opponent’s position.” Romney said of his own campaign: “[O]ur ads haven’t gone after the president personally. … [W]e haven’t dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven’t gone after the personal things.”

The Obama campaign has turned Romney’s business past into a campaign issue, noting that the the governor himself touts that experience as his “main calling card” for setting the country on the right track.



Until recently, Romney seemed to agree. “Look, I’m very proud of my experience at Bain Capital. I hope people understand that I was investing other people’s money for them and was compensated if we were highly successful,” he told CNBC’s Larry Kudlow on July 23. “That’s the kind of record which I’m pretty proud of.”



Top surrogate and adviser John Sununu echoed this argument during a Romney campaign conference in May, saying, “I think the Bain record as a whole is fair game, and what you have to do is do an honest evaluation.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...siness-record/

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

And if this doesn't amount to absolute surrender on Romney's part I'll be amazed.

Romney To Obama: Let’s Agree Not To Discuss My Business Record Or Tax Returns




http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...siness-record/

FUCK,,,actually I would love to hear Obama talk positively about Obama's own fucking record, rather than worrying about Romney's tax records and business experience,,ahhhh business experience,,do you hear the ring in that????,,,something Obama knows absolutely zilch about,,,but Obama sure knows how to redistribute the businesses wealth to the federal government.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

FUCK,,,actually I would love to hear Obama talk positively about Obama's own fucking record, rather than worrying about Romney's tax records and business experience,,ahhhh business experience,,do you hear the ring in that????,,,something Obama knows absolutely zilch about,,,but Obama sure knows how to redistribute the businesses wealth to the federal government.

I'll bet you would Ace. I bet you would.

[shootersa]

Originally Posted by stumbler

No I can smell your bullshit from here and don't want to get any closer to you than that.

then you are an old poopey head

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Well gee Ace you not only just proved Mitt Romney wrong you also just supported President Obama's position which is THE STATES SHOULD HAVE PERMISSION TO EXPERIMENT WITH THEIR WELFARE TO WORK PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF A SINGLE FEDERALLY MANDATED PROGRAM.

That's why the Obama administration is granting wavers for some states to try new and innovative programs.

You just really blew that one right your ass, Ace.

What the hell is wrong with you, other than voting for the extreme leftists.

The States do have the right to experiment with entitlement programs for their residence,,but under the thumb of the federal government,,I think not.

The federal government, as usual for the past 100 years have been the ''say all, know all''.

Tell me where the federal government has the power to dictate or grant waivers for individual states to practice with the implementation of states entitlements??

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

What the hell is wrong with you, other than voting for the extreme leftists.

The States do have the right to experiment with entitlement programs for their residence,,but under the thumb of the federal government,,I think not.

The federal government, as usual for the past 100 years have been the ''say all, know all''.

Tell me where the federal government has the power to dictate or grant waivers for individual states to practice with the implementation of states entitlements??

I'll have to get back to you on this one Ace. Right now I'm laughing too hard over Romney picking Paul Ryan for his VP to type right.

[stumbler]

Considering Mitt Romney's criticism of the London Olympics with that actual out come and performance of those Olympic Games I think its safe to say that had Romney actually been a horse in the Olympic dressage competition the judges would have noted he only had five gates; a walk, trot, stumble, fart, and fall.

[stumbler]

Anybody else notice that what Mitt Romney says depends on which audience he's talking to on any given day?

Mitt Romney Calls Paul Ryan’s Medicare Cuts ‘Extraordinary’

Mitt Romney described the Medicare cuts included in Paul Ryan’s budget as “extraordinary,” during his visit to a mining operation in Beallsville, Ohio on Tuesday — just days after his campaign claimed that he would have signed the reductions into law as part of the Ryan blueprint.


The Medicare reductions have become a political lightning rod since Romney named Ryan to the ticket on Saturday. The Affordable Care Act reduces future Medicare spending by $716 between 2013 and 2022 and Ryan maintains the savings in his Medicare proposal. The Romney campaign, however, has tried to gloss over the similarity and attack the president for approving reductions that the Republican runningmate also supports.



On Tuesday morning, following a barrage of questions from reporters, Romney campaign chair John Sununu announced that Romney would not cut Medicare in the next decade and the candidate himself pledged to restore the funding while stumping in Ohio. Watch it:



The campaign’s new “no cuts to Medicare” position significantly complicates Romney’s pledge to hold federal spending at 20 percent of GDP by 2016 and his promise to balance the budget at the end of his second term. It also contradicts what Romney told reporters in Miami on Monday.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...extraordinary/

[stumbler]

This should be on the hilarious thread but since its coming back to haunt Romney big time I'll put it here.

Today backed by Ohio coal miners Mitt Romney accused President Obama of trying to kill coal and then even went on to quote Joe Biden as saying Coal killed more people than terrorists.

And then it took about 90 seconds for this video to begin to appear.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BpgLYryI8g

[stumbler]

Republican Senator On Romney’s Anti-Wind Position: It Was ‘Like A Knife In My Back’

Wind energy draws strong bipartisan support, with more than 81 percent of installed wind capacity located in Republican congressional districts, bringing billions of dollars in private investment.

You wouldn’t know it based on Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign. Romney has called wind investments “boondoggles” and wind jobs “imaginary.” And the candidate doubled down on his anti-wind policies by announcing his opposition to extending the production tax credit for the industry.

This policy has infuriated some Republican voters and lawmakers from wind-driven states. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) explained his increasing frustration with the campaign at a recent town hall:

“I’m the author of the wind energy tax credit of 1992, and there were people from outside the state came into Iowa and issued a press release that the Republican candidate for president was opposed to wind energy, and I felt it was just like a knife in my back, as the author of the bill, without even being consulted about it,” he said during a town hall meeting at the Greater Burlington Partnership offices in Burlington.”

Grassley takes a much harsher tone now than when Romney’s campaign first announced the policy. Grassley was initially skeptical of Romney’s true position, saying in July, “I have got to get to the bottom of what they are doing, because I think people that didn’t know what they were doing said it, because [Romney] was over in Poland, he obviously wasn’t thinking about wind energy.” But Romney has maintained the position.


Romney’s campaign still hasn’t gotten the message from Grassley, or the dozens of other Republican supporters, wind businesses, and the majority of Americans who support wind investment. It hasn’t helped that Romney has been completely silent on what his policy would do to the 215 wind-related businesses in Iowa, and 75,000 jobs nationally. He offers no alternative to the 37,000 jobs that could be lost if the tax credit isn’t extended past 2012.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...fe-in-my-back/

[clarise]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Republican Senator On Romney’s Anti-Wind Position: It Was ‘Like A Knife In My Back’

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...fe-in-my-back/

Romney is a businessman with principles, liar. I know that is difficult to fathom.

Sometimes his principles rankle Republicans. GOOD.

The "wind industry" is like the "solar industry" and the "corn ethanol industry" and the "electric car industry." It would not exist without tax-funded corporate welfare.

It is impossible to formulate a profitable business model based on wind energy without taxpayer funded infusions into the bottom line.

[stumbler]

Maddow: Romney’s history shows he’s willing to lie about his taxes

Maddow said, in 2002 when Romney was running for governor of Massachusetts, it was demanded of him that he release tax returns to demonstrate a residency in that state of at least seven years. Romney refused and insisted that the public take his word for it.


Eventually it came out that Romney had lied. He was forced to pay Massachusetts taxes retroactively, because when he said that the public would have to take his word that he had paid taxes for seven years as a Massachusetts resident, it simply wasn’t true.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/1...out-his-taxes/

[stumbler]

Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XXX

Mitt Romney gave a speech Beallsville, Ohio, this week, and presented an unfortunate attack against President Obama. "How can you go out there and tell people things that just aren't true?" he asked rhetorically. He added, "This is a time for truths."


In context, Romney was referring to Obama's claim that "we're adding jobs in the coal industry." In reality, the nation really is adding jobs in the coal industry -- Romney was looking for an example of the president saying something that "just isn't true," and he pointed to an Obama quote that happened to be accurate, though he told his audience the opposite.


It's hard not to appreciate the ironic circle -- the president said something true, Romney lied when he said the accurate claim is false, and then he complained about falsehoods in the campaign.


I don't know the Republican candidate personally, but from a distance, it appears there's a part of his brain that allows him to create some kind of deliberate blind-spot. It's actually a little scary to think of a leader -- a man who'd be given enormous power and influence, literally making life and death decisions on a regular basis -- who can convince himself that his falsehoods are true, and that others' truths are falsehoods.


But here we are. If this is, as Romney claims, a "time for truths," I can only hope the Republican candidate will take a few moments to consider the 30th installment of my weekly series, chronicling Mitt's mendacity. (This is the biggest list I've ever done.)


1. At an impromptu event in South Carolina yesterday, Romney said on Medicare policy, "Our plan [has] no change for current seniors and those 55 and older."


That's plainly false. Romney's plan eliminates all new benefits for seniors under the Affordable Care Act, which necessarily means higher prescription drug costs for seniors, and more expensive preventive care.


2. At the same event, Romney argued, "Under the president's plan, [Medicare] goes bankrupt... Under the plan I propose, it is solvent."


That's the exact opposite of reality. Obama's policy strengthens Medicare's finances, and under Romney's plan, the system would be closer to insolvency faster.


3. In Chillicothe, Ohio, Romney said that under Obama, "We've got lower economic growth."


Actually, we got higher economic growth.


4. In the same speech, Romney said that under Obama, "We've got higher unemployment."


Actually, we got lower unemployment.


5. He went on to say the annual budget deficit has hit the $1 trillion mark under Obama for the "first time the history of our country."


Not true. The first time in the history of our country that the deficit hit $1 trillion was George W. Bush's last year in office, when the annual shortfall was $1.3 trillion.


6. Romney added that Obama promised "he'd get the unemployment down to under 5.6 percent today if we pass that $1 trillion stimulus package."


That's actually two falsehoods wrapped as one. For one thing, the stimulus wasn't $1 trillion (Romney's off by over $200 billion, and that's real money). For another, that's not what Obama promised.


7. Romney added, "You see unlike President Obama, I won't raise taxes on small business."


Obama has repeatedly cut taxes on small businesses -- by some counts, 18 times -- and if given a second term, his tax plan would have no effect on 97% of small businesses.


8. In an interview with Fortune magazine, Romney said the president's stimulus measures "have not put Americans back to work."
Yes they have.


9. In the same interview, Romney said he would create jobs by "taking advantage of America's energy resources, particularly natural gas, as well as coal, oil, nuclear, solar, and wind."


Much of this is contradicted by Romney's own agenda. He opposes the wind production tax credit, no matter how many jobs it costs the nation, and has vowed to cut off investments in renewable energy programs (Romney has said wind and solar do not constitute "real energy.")


10. Romney went on to say, "A nation which is a highly productive nation as we are benefits by trade with others... The Obama administration has negotiated no new [trade] agreements."
Did Romney not hear about the trade agreements with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea?


11. Romney added, "We have to cut the deficit and get America on track to a balanced budget in order to convince investors that America is a good place to invest long term.... The president has done virtually nothing other than to propose a series of tax increases."


Actually, Obama proposed a massive, $4 trillion "grand bargain," most of which was made up of spending cuts. Congressional Republicans turned it down anyway.


12. Romney also said, "We're at a 30-year low in new business startups."
Still not true.


13. Romney went on to say, "I indicated as I announced my tax plan that the key principles included the following. First, that high-income people would continue to pay the same share of the tax burden that they do today."


At a minimum, this is ridiculously misleading. Under Romney's plan, high-income people would get an enormous tax break.


14. Romney added, "Obamacare is a tax. It's been so determined by the Supreme Court, and it falls predominantly on the middle class."
He's referring to an individual mandate that would apply to 1% of the population. And if President Obama's health care policy "raised taxes on the middle class," then Mitt Romney raised taxes on the middle class.


15. Romney also said, "President Obama raises taxes on the middle class. I will under no circumstances raise taxes on the middle class."
There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


16. Romney went on to say, "I will follow a model similar to Simpson-Bowles."
No he won't.


17. Romney also said, "I believe infrastructure is going to see very substantial investments over the coming decade."


He may believe that, but he's also endorsed a budget plan that drastically curtails infrastructure investments.


18. Romney argued, "I believe that you're going to see us having created 12 million new jobs."


If we do nothing, we're on track to create 12 million new American jobs over the next four years anyway.


19. In a televised ad, Romney said Obama "cut $716 billion dollars from Medicare ... to pay for Obamacare."
Oh, please.


20. The ad goes on to say, in reference to seniors, "So now the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is going to a massive new government program that's not for you."


That's plainly false. Under the Affordable Care Act, seniors pay less for prescription medication and preventive care -- meaning the policy is "for" them, too.


21. At a campaign stop in Ohio, Romney said under Obama we're not "adding jobs in the coal industry" and not "producing more coal."
Romney's lying. In reality, we're adding jobs in the coal industry and producing more coal.


22. Romney said this week that Paul Ryan reached out to Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) to "co-lead a piece of legislation that makes sure we can save Medicare."


According to Ron Wyden, that's ridiculously untrue.


23. In another attack ad this week, Romney once again accused Obama of "quietly ending work requirements" in the welfare law."
He's still blatantly lying.


24. In Beallsville, Ohio, Romney argued, "President said he'd cut the deficit in half. He's doubled it."


Maybe Romney doesn't know what "double" means. The deficit on Obama's first day was $1.3 trillion. Last year, it was also $1.3 trillion. This year, it's projected to be $1.1 trillion. When he says the president "more than doubled" the deficit, as he has many times, Romney's lying.


25. In the same speech, Romney added that Obama has "raided that [Medicare] trust fund."


Obama has strengthened the Medicare trust fund.


26. Romney went on to call the Affordable Care Act an "unproven federal government takeover to health care."


There is no universe in which this makes sense -- "Obamacare" relies on private insurers, not a government takeover. (Also, it's not "unproven" -- the policy works quite well in, ahem, Massachusetts.)


27. Romney also said, "My number four [goal] is to stop spending massively more than we take in to get America on track to have a balanced budget. And I'll do it."


No you won't.


Romney says his plan "can't be scored," but independent budget analysts have found his agenda would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add trillions to the national debt.


28. Romney went on to say, "Seventy-five percent of small businesses in this country surveyed by the Chamber of Commerce said that Obamacare makes it less likely for them to hire people."
The "survey" is a joke. The Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest.


29. Romney also said, "I'm going to put work back into welfare."
Work hasn't been taken out of welfare.


30. Romney went on to say, "[Obama] said if you have a business, you didn't build that. Someone else did that."


That's not even close to what the president said.


31. At an event in St. Augustine, Florida, Romney said the president "won't want to remind people of Greece because that's where he's taking our country if we don't get off the road we're on."
That's painfully untrue.


32. In the same speech Romney said of the president, "He said he'd measure progress also by whether people were able to have a good job that kept them in their home and paid their mortgage. Well, 8.5 million homes foreclosed, a record level, is not success, Mr. President."
Putting aside how dishonest it is for Romney to blame the housing crash on the president, let's also not forget that Romney intends to deliberately avoid any efforts to curtail foreclosures.


33. Romney added, "I'm going to take every government program and apply this test: Is this program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if it's not, we'll get rid of it."


This continues to be misleading. The implication here is that U.S. debt is financed by the Chinese, but this isn't true -- China only holds about 8% of the nation's debt.


Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity:

Vol. I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII,XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/20...y-vol-xxx?lite