The Real Barack Hussein Obama

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

That is the fault of the voters. An honest politician will not win an election.

Oh, I don't know.

Paul Ryan has been talking about reforming Social Security and Medicare for years, for which the pundits have declared him unelectable. Yet he has won at least six statewide election and now runs the budget committee.

Mark Rubio has been openly talking about gutting entitlements such as Medicare, which should have made him unelectable in Florida. Yet he is still holding office in Florida.

Meanwhile, Obama is lying about taxation, and at the present time he is the only politician who is actually gutting Medicare. To the tune of $716 billion. That's billion with a 'b'. (I gave him the benefit of the doubt last week and said he was only gutting it to the tune of a half trillion. I had given him too much credit. It is closer to three quarters of a trillion.)

Yet bitter clingers such as Stumbler, Mr. --ahem-- SpJames, and yourself still swear by the party that is gutting your entitlements.

Why?

Because you just can't seem to get it through your heads that your opponents are not compartmentalizing history and current events into convenient little four year election cycles anymore. Your opponents realize that this recession is like no other, and they realize that Obama is instituting deferred liabilities that ensure a future much worse than the present.

When Medicare verges on collapse in the next decade, you will no doubt blame a Republican, because the man who is creating the problem, today, will be long gone.

And if you are alive twenty years from now, and if XNXX still exists, you will trot out a little graph to show how in the year 2017 a Republican destroyed Medicare. Because you will still be pigeonholing history into election cycles.

But Obama could lose in November. Because Ryan is winning elections, and Rubio is winning elections. The Tea Party is winning elections everywhere, because people are ready to take a harder look at sacred cows like Medicare and Social Security.

Not to gut them, as Obama is doing now, but to sustain them for the future.

If you and your little minions had any sense, you would get behind the Tea Party yourselves. But you won't. Because you're blind.

[RandyKnight]

If you and your little minions had any sense, you would get behind the Tea Party yourselves. But you won't. Because you're blind.
__________________

They are not blind...

They want something for nothing...

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

your opponents realize that this recession is like no other...

If you and your little minions had any sense, you would get behind the Tea Party yourselves. But you won't. Because you're blind.

What I see is that millions of Americans face long term unemployment. The message of the Tea Party is that the government should do nothing which in the past has reduced unemployment, and that it should do nothing to help the unemployed.

What has not reduced unemployment in the past are tax cuts for the rich. That is what the Tea Party, and the Romney - Ryan ticket recommend.

[spjames]

oops posted something in the wrong thread. At least I caught it in time to edit this stupid little missive in it's place.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by spjames

oops posted something in the wrong thread. At least I caught it in time to edit this stupid little missive in it's place.

I know the feeling well. And I do mean precisely.

[Tommiecd]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

What I see is that millions of Americans face long term unemployment. The message of the Tea Party is that the government should do nothing which in the past has reduced unemployment, and that it should do nothing to help the unemployed.

What has not reduced unemployment in the past are tax cuts for the rich. That is what the Tea Party, and the Romney - Ryan ticket recommend.

There you go again with the talking points. Do you read any financial papers? Do you have money invested in a 401K? Are you saving anything for retirement? This country is in dire financial straits. Our government recognizes this and is currently preparing for riots in every major city. You like to research, research the fact that Fema recently put out an order for 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition( which by the way is banned by all countries for warfare) Even the US weather bureau ordered a large order of hollow point ammo ( I can't really figure out why, unless they plan on training them) Fema has contracted for detention camps to be built across the entire country. One big enough to hold 100,000 people. If you depend on a pension, whether SS or a private pension, you will be lucky to get 1/5 of it. This is what the government is preparing for. You better hope Obama is defeated in November, AND that he surrenders authority without provoking some calamity and declaring marshal law. This is not to say Mitt Romney can prevent this inevitable economic collaspe. We can only hope investors see a light at the end of the tunnel with Obama gone. If not, and you wind up starving in a Fema detention camp, remember I warned you.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by Tommiecd

There you go again with the talking points. Do you read any financial papers? Do you have money invested in a 401K? Are you saving anything for retirement? This country is in dire financial straits. Our government recognizes this and is currently preparing for riots in every major city. You like to research, research the fact that Fema recently put out an order for 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition( which by the way is banned by all countries for warfare) Even the US weather bureau ordered a large order of hollow point ammo ( I can't really figure out why, unless they plan on training them) Fema has contracted for detention camps to be built across the entire country. One big enough to hold 100,000 people. If you depend on a pension, whether SS or a private pension, you will be lucky to get 1/5 of it. This is what the government is preparing for. You better hope Obama is defeated in November, AND that he surrenders authority without provoking some calamity and declaring marshal law. This is not to say Mitt Romney can prevent this inevitable economic collaspe. We can only hope investors see a light at the end of the tunnel with Obama gone. If not, and you wind up starving in a Fema detention camp, remember I warned you.

If you think Obama is planning a dictatorship you are delusional. I do not accuse Romney and Ryan of planning a fascist dictatorship. I simply think they want to skew things more in favor of the well to do.

[spjames]

Originally Posted by Tommiecd

There you go again with the talking points. Do you read any financial papers? Do you have money invested in a 401K? Are you saving anything for retirement? This country is in dire financial straits. Our government recognizes this and is currently preparing for riots in every major city. You like to research, research the fact that Fema recently put out an order for 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition( which by the way is banned by all countries for warfare) Even the US weather bureau ordered a large order of hollow point ammo ( I can't really figure out why, unless they plan on training them) Fema has contracted for detention camps to be built across the entire country. One big enough to hold 100,000 people. If you depend on a pension, whether SS or a private pension, you will be lucky to get 1/5 of it. This is what the government is preparing for. You better hope Obama is defeated in November, AND that he surrenders authority without provoking some calamity and declaring marshal law. This is not to say Mitt Romney can prevent this inevitable economic collaspe. We can only hope investors see a light at the end of the tunnel with Obama gone. If not, and you wind up starving in a Fema detention camp, remember I warned you.

Don't forget to use real TIN foil for your protective hats as Aluminum foil enhances the signals the government beams into your brain.

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by spjames

Don't forget to use real TIN foil for your protective hats as Aluminum foil enhances the signals the government beams into your brain.

You can always tell at the Tin Foil Hat Society meetings because their hats are Shiny side down.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

You are stupid if you think your disability policy will survive Republican efforts to reduce domestic spending. Your legal team does not pay for your disability checks. The government pays for those checks.

Moreover, if you were not so stupid and poorly educated you would know how to spell "throbbing," and you would know how to spell "damn."

Finally, writing sentences using large print does not make them impressive; it draws attention to how poorly written those sentences are.

The disability is through an insurance company NOT the government, how fucken stupid are you. Did you even read what I said, I said I could not be covered by workers comp being an owner so they said I should get an insurance policy from an insurance company for disability just in case. You moron.


You know what I think your just stupid. And I can spell the name any way I want like your name DICK LICK And if all you have is that I did spell one word wrong and did not catch it that shows what a fucken moron you are.

And as I posted IF you post the profile then post the photo.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by BigTrobbing

The disability is through an insurance company NOT the government, how fucken stupid are you. Did you even read what I said, I said I could not be covered by workers comp being an owner so they said I should get an insurance policy from an insurance company for disability just in case. You moron.


You know what I think your just stupid. And I can spell the name any way I want like your name DICK LICK And if all you have is that I did spell one word wrong and did not catch it that shows what a fucken moron you are.

And as I posted IF you post the profile then post the photo.

I concede your point about the private insurance company.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

If you think Obama is planning a dictatorship you are delusional. I do not accuse Romney and Ryan of planning a fascist dictatorship. I simply think they want to skew things more in favor of the well to do.

What obumbnuts is doing is taking America down a few pegs, he thinks we need to be on a level playing field BUT instead of bringing poor countries up he will take America down.

And that is true because why else would he make it hard for companies with all the regulations and the EPA closing coal mines down and electric generating plants.

Then obumbnuts says he wants us off foreign oil, all well and good but how when he refuses to issue permits for drilling?? The only drilling that is started is on private land, take a look at Nebraska's unemployment rate it is 4% so why is obumbnuts not allowing us to drill??? It would help solve the unemployment problem and get him reelected. But no he is screwing every American.

LINK::: http://www.dol.nebraska.gov/

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I concede your point about the private insurance company.

Thank you

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

What I see is that millions of Americans face long term unemployment. The message of the Tea Party is that the government should do nothing which in the past has reduced unemployment, and that it should do nothing to help the unemployed.

If your reality was not as skewed as it actually is, you would sensibly realize that the federal government is not the care takers for the people of this nation, the people are their own care takers, and are not and should not be reliant on the federal government to place the bandaid on their little papercut.

We have a massive national debt, due to those that truly believe that the federal government is exactly what it was not intended to be,,,,and you are one of those that have put this nation in the debt that this nation has.

What has not reduced unemployment in the past are tax cuts for the rich. That is what the Tea Party, and the Romney - Ryan ticket recommend.

TAX CUTS FOR ALL..........

Shrinking the federal government will create wealth, prosperity and economic stability for this nation.

Only a leftist fool as you leftists are at times, would believe, deep down in your sanctimonious hearts, that the federal government is the keeper of the people,,it's not,,the federal government is the single entity that is placing the plastic bag over the heads of the people and watching the people gasp for oxygen.

[ridgerunner]

fuck left right republican democrat bipartisain antisocial antpolotics

the chances that any government actualy would listen to the people is 0%
so cut off the rightwing and fry it
cut off the left wing and bake it
smoke the rest

you might want to look into the fact that 1.6billion rounds are being ordered by several agencies

are they jacking prices up or preparing

and you republican lovers tell your spokesman dave mustain that he can stay in sri lanka

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

If you think Obama is planning a dictatorship you are delusional. I do not accuse Romney and Ryan of planning a fascist dictatorship. I simply think they want to skew things more in favor of the well to do.

WTF!?!?,,,have you ever heard Obama say,,''If congress will not do something, I will.''

That is the words of a dictatorship,,,Obama's Czars report to no one,they in fact by pass congress on everything that they do,in reality, they bypass US, and do what THEY want to see this nation be.

[ridgerunner]

ace seriously pull your head out of rush limbaughs ass and get a fucking clue you semiretarded piece of shit

you spill the same lies everywhere you can and expect to get a different response everytime

insanity=doing the exact same thing the eaxct same way and expecting a different result

so on that why no response to the evidence that paul ryan lied about requesting stimulus funds
or the fact that even romney wants him to shut the hell up and only speak of hunting and milking cows?

also for what reason will romney not release the tax info?
and why wont ryan?
even romneys dad who set the precident released 12 years













the retard is now googeling the answers as he steams in rage that someone that hates both sides points it out again

[spjames]

[QUOTE=ace's n 8's;5311073]

If your reality was not as skewed as it actually is, you would sensibly realize that the federal government is not the care takers for the people of this nation, the people are their own care takers, and are not and should not be reliant on the federal government to place the bandaid on their little papercut.

We have a massive national debt, due to those that truly believe that the federal government is exactly what it was not intended to be,,,,and you are one of those that have put this nation in the debt that this nation has.


TAX CUTS FOR ALL..........

Shrinking the federal government will create wealth, prosperity and economic stability for this nation.

Only a leftist fool as you leftists are at times, would believe, deep down in your sanctimonious hearts, that the federal government is the keeper of the people,,it's not,,the federal government is the single entity that is placing the plastic bag over the heads of the people and watching the people gasp for oxygen.

Yes yes shrink the Federal government and put millions of government workers out on the street. Great thinking there Einstein. Kinda like the stupidity of letting GM die because capitalisms. Despite the fact that if GM dies there would have been almost a million lost jobs overnight. You righties are great at thinking up stupid ideas but you never seem to take the time to assess their impact.

Kind of like the Ryan plan to turn medicare into a boon for insurance companies. Reduced care for the those under 58 when the become medicare eligible and more money to the already rich insurance company stock holders.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Shrinking the federal government will create wealth, prosperity and economic stability for this nation.

When has that happened in the past?

When the government grew after the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 America's middle class grew with it.

American conservatives like to talk about eternal truths, but they do not like to study the past. They ignore what worked in the past, and what did not work.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

LIMBAUGH: "Banks take the risks in issuing student loans and they are entitled to the profits." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Banks take no risks in issuing student loans, which are federally insured.

LIMBAUGH: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America [in the '80s] resulted in a bigger gap between the haves and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth." (Ought to Be, p. 70)

REALITY: CBO figures do nothing of the sort. Its numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980, the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20 to one.

LIMBAUGH: Comparing the 1950s with the present: "And I might point out that poverty and economic disparities between the lower and upper classes were greater during the former period." (Told You So, p. 84)

REALITY: Income inequality, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, fell from the 1940s to the late 1960s, and then began rising. Inequality surpassed the 1950 level in 1982 and rose steadily to all-time highs in 1992. (Census Bureau's "Money Income of Households, Families and Persons in the United States")

LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Huh? The average cash income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans is $5,226; the average cash income of four major European nations--Germany, France, United Kingdom and Italy--is $19,708.

LIMBAUGH: "There's no such thing as an implied contract." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Every first-year law student knows there is.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895/

I was going to go over these one at a time and then I saw your reference, You are just like stumbleshit you both use nothing but far left loon sites as references. I give you credit at-least you did not use a late night comedian like stumblshit dies.

[spjames]

Originally Posted by BigTrobbing

I was going to go over these one at a time and then I saw your reference, You are just like stumbleshit you both use nothing but far left loon sites as references. I give you credit at-least you did not use a late night comedian like stumblshit dies.

I suppose you consider sites like FOX, Redstate, American Thinker and Brietbart to be unbiased news sources then.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by BigTrobbing

I was going to go over these one at a time and then I saw your reference, You are just like stumbleshit you both use nothing but far left loon sites as references. I give you credit at-least you did not use a late night comedian like stumblshit dies.

These are specific statements made by Rush Limbaugh followed by documented facts that demonstrated that the statements are not true.

Rush Limbaugh is a man who has made a career telling white men things many of them want to believe, even though they are not true.

I usually enjoy investigating different points of view. I try to understand why other people disagree with me. I am aware that someone who disagrees with me on an issue that is important to me may know things I do not know about that issue, and may have insights about it or other matters that have escaped me.

I do believe that facts are important, and that deliberate lying is reprehensible.

[BigTrobbing]

[QUOTE=spjames;5311515]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Yes yes shrink the Federal government and put millions of government workers out on the street. Great thinking there Einstein. Kinda like the stupidity of letting GM die because capitalisms. Despite the fact that if GM dies there would have been almost a million lost jobs overnight. You righties are great at thinking up stupid ideas but you never seem to take the time to assess their impact.

Kind of like the Ryan plan to turn medicare into a boon for insurance companies. Reduced care for the those under 58 when the become medicare eligible and more money to the already rich insurance company stock holders.

Lets look at GM shall we.

They owe us 25BILLION The stock that obumbnuts owns (meaning we the people) 26% is valued at $20.00 a share and it needs to be $53.00 for us (we the people) to break even. We got screwed on that one did we not????? Lets all thank the golden nigger in the White House.

7 of 10 vehicles they build is built out of America, The reason they sold so many this year is because the only people buying them is the government (we the people, get a new car while you can)

The volt (yes the little car that bursts into flames) no one is buying it even with the $7,500 tax rebate

And they are talking about how GM might be going bankrupt once again, dam those union guys know how to run a company huh, not to mention how the obumbnuts administration screwed the bond and share holders and the people at Delphi and their retirement, they got like 30 cents on the dollar because they were NOT union.

And that was done by little timmy geitner the one that has trouble with Turbo Tax. And all the dealerships he put out of business and all those people HE FIRED, How come he does not brag about that on the campaign trail??

What is he so worried about let him start bragging how he shoved health care up America ass and still the majority do not want it.


I am not even going to get into the Medicare right now but will if you want. Just look at the 716BILLION obumbnuts took from it.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

These are specific statements made by Rush Limbaugh followed by documented facts that demonstrated that the statements are not true.

Rush Limbaugh is a man who has made a career telling white men things many of them want to believe, even though they are not true.

I usually enjoy investigating different points of view. I try to understand why other people disagree with me. I am aware that someone who disagrees with me on an issue that is important to me may know things I do not know about that issue, and may have insights about it or other matters that have escaped me.

I do believe that facts are important, and that deliberate lying is reprehensible.

The problem I have is your reference, When I give references I use middle of the road and at times a little to the left, You should do the same. The link "FAIR" is run by a far left loon so I will not consider it.

[BigTrobbing]

Originally Posted by spjames

I suppose you consider sites like FOX, Redstate, American Thinker and Brietbart to be unbiased news sources then.

I will tell you the same thing I told DL, When I give a reference i stay to the middle or to the left some you should be the middle or to the right some.
And the reference of the site "FAIR" is a far left loon so I will not consider it.

[spjames]

[QUOTE=BigTrobbing;5312281]

Originally Posted by spjames

Lets look at GM shall we.

They owe us 25BILLION The stock that obumbnuts owns (meaning we the people) 26% is valued at $20.00 a share and it needs to be $53.00 for us (we the people) to break even. We got screwed on that one did we not????? Lets all thank the golden nigger in the White House.

7 of 10 vehicles they build is built out of America, The reason they sold so many this year is because the only people buying them is the government (we the people, get a new car while you can)

The volt (yes the little car that bursts into flames) no one is buying it even with the $7,500 tax rebate

And they are talking about how GM might be going bankrupt once again, dam those union guys know how to run a company huh, not to mention how the obumbnuts administration screwed the bond and share holders and the people at Delphi and their retirement, they got like 30 cents on the dollar because they were NOT union.

And that was done by little timmy geitner the one that has trouble with Turbo Tax. And all the dealerships he put out of business and all those people HE FIRED, How come he does not brag about that on the campaign trail??

What is he so worried about let him start bragging how he shoved health care up America ass and still the majority do not want it.


I am not even going to get into the Medicare right now but will if you want. Just look at the 716BILLION obumbnuts took from it.

And yet to still avoid the point I tried to make. If GM had gone under and those jobs were lost that's 70,000 in just jobs at GM alone. Then another couple of hundred thousand in jobs at supplier companies from all sorts of auto parts to food supply and building maintenance companies. Then the repercussions in communities were some business's would have had a large downturn in places with GM plants. IE reduced staff etc. Estimates have put the jobs losses as high as 400,000 in the US alone. World wide the unemployment numbers would have topped 1 million people. Are you really that callous a person that you can sit there and say screw them I got mine?

Now lets get into the medicare issue because your spewing stupid all over this thread again. Ryans plan cuts medicare benefits to those under 55-58 depending on what day Romney opens his mouth. Obama's plan in accordance with the ACA (Obamacare) cuts costs not benefits. Ryan's plan would have seniors buying insurance thereby benefiting only insurance companies since those companies would have to profit from such a venture. It pipes the money people paid into the medicare fund to insurance companies. It's dishonest and evil. Try reading this for a better idea of what all of it really means. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...are-cuts-says/


Oh and could you stop posting in bold typeface it makes it look like your a screaming idiot.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by spjames

Oh and could you stop posting in bold typeface it makes it look like your a screaming idiot.

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by spjames

And yet to still avoid the point I tried to make. If GM had gone under and those jobs were lost that's 70,000 in just jobs at GM alone. Then another couple of hundred thousand in jobs at supplier companies from all sorts of auto parts to food supply and building maintenance companies. Then the repercussions in communities were some business's would have had a large downturn in places with GM plants. IE reduced staff etc. Estimates have put the jobs losses as high as 400,000 in the US alone. World wide the unemployment numbers would have topped 1 million people. Are you really that callous a person that you can sit there and say screw them I got mine?

You truly are a solid leftist drone,not to put a kink in your panties, but, there are other very knowledgeable business and bankruptcy experts that have different opinions. Many believe GM would have been granted Chapter 11 status without government intervention. They believe this would have been much more beneficial to both the company and our economy. They believe bankruptcy would have allowed GM to..

Start with a clean slate in union negotiations - relieving them of the legacy burdens of unaffordable union health and benefits costs that were one of the major contributors to their need for bankruptcy protection..

Negotiate new union wage contracts that were more realistic and in-line with other auto maker's cost - thus allowing them to be better positioned to be competitive. Industry average union wages are $56-$58 per hour, (including benefits costs), GM's union wage costs were $70 per hour..

Follow other typical Chapter 11 re-emergence efforts, like; shedding unprofitable parts of the company, (lie. streamlining it's bloated dealerships program), re-negotiate cost-prohibitive contractual obligations, and more...


The point being, the same options afforded any other business that seeks Chapter 11 protection in order to reorganize into a profitable company - would have been available to GM.

Now lets get into the medicare issue because your spewing stupid all over this thread again. Ryans plan cuts medicare benefits to those under 55-58 depending on what day Romney opens his mouth. Obama's plan in accordance with the Obamacare cuts costs not benefits.

Obamacare, reduces Medicare spending largely through payment cuts to hospitals and privately-administered Medicare, which in fact dictates how much the private sector is 'allowed' to make, while caring for those that are in need of the benefits..

Any serious attempt to address the long-term fiscal health of our country must therefore reduce Medicare spending, which will soon be both the Federal government’s largest and fastest growing expense line item. Since both the of the parties plan to cut $716 billion from Medicare, the basic distinction between the approaches is privatization.



Under Romney-Ryan, the government would give seniors “premium support”,,the leftists characterize these as “vouchers” — with which to purchase insurance. These payments would be based on the second lowest bid from a “competitive” process amongst traditional Medicare and private companies, which the Republicans believe will ensure that all seniors can purchase coverage with the government subsidy.

Ryan's plan would have seniors buying insurance thereby benefiting only insurance companies since those companies would have to profit from such a venture. It pipes the money people paid into the medicare fund to insurance companies. It's dishonest and evil. Try reading this for a better idea of what all of it really means. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...are-cuts-says/

So fucking what,, why cant the insurance companies provide a service that is well needed,,at a competitive rate,,you leftists, I tell ya,,BRAIN DEAD.......

[clarise]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

What I see is that millions of Americans face long term unemployment. The message of the Tea Party is that the government should do nothing which in the past has reduced unemployment, and that it should do nothing to help the unemployed.

What has not reduced unemployment in the past are tax cuts for the rich. That is what the Tea Party, and the Romney - Ryan ticket recommend.

Good op-ed piece today in the WSJ about Utah.

One of the highest average incomes of all states: $40,000/yr and rising.
One of the lowest unemployment rates (around 6% and falling)
One of the lowest crime rates.
Growing population, both from in-migration and births.
One of the highest incidences of "traditional" nuclear families.
One of the lowest average ages (due to in-migration).

Utah also has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the entire industrialized world (5%).

I wonder how you would reconcile aberrations like Utah with all your blue and red barcharts.

Then again, I would not be surprised if you attributed Utah's booming economy to Obama.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by clarise

Good op-ed piece today in the WSJ about Utah.

One of the highest average incomes of all states: $40,000/yr and rising.
One of the lowest unemployment rates (around 6% and falling)
One of the lowest crime rates.
Growing population, both from in-migration and births.
One of the highest incidences of "traditional" nuclear families.
One of the lowest average ages (due to in-migration).

Utah also has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the entire industrialized world (5%).

I wonder how you would reconcile aberrations like Utah with all your blue and red barcharts.

Then again, I would not be surprised if you attributed Utah's booming economy to Obama.

Utah is the most religiously homogeneous state in the Union. It is home to the Salt Lake Temple, and approximately 63% of Utahns are reported to be members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) which greatly influences Utah culture and daily life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah

When I was nineteen I was proselytized by two Mormon missionaries. I investigated the faith fairly thoroughly, and am convinced beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt that Joseph Smith, Jr. was a religious charlatan.

I also know enough about Mormonism to know that it promotes good living habits.

This also helps, although it is politically incorrect to say so, "At the 2010 Census, 80.4% of the population was non-Hispanic White."

[Distant Lover]

clarise,

The web address for the article you mentioned can be found here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...223445656.html

To be more impressed with the obvious thrust of the argument, I would need to know how taxes, and government regulations in Utah compare with other states, and how states with lower taxes and fewer regulations measure up in terms of crime, unemployment, income, and so on.

A comment posted at the end of the article credited the good economic numbers of Utah to defense spending. Defense spending, let us remember, is government spending. The person posting the comment tried to substantiate his assertion with a link. The link was too full of anti Mormon bigotry for me to include it here. Nevertheless, it may well be the case that the assertion is accurate.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Many believe GM would have been granted Chapter 11 status without government intervention. They believe this would have been much more beneficial to both the company and our economy. They believe bankruptcy would have allowed GM to..

Start with a clean slate in union negotiations - relieving them of the legacy burdens of unaffordable union health and benefits costs that were one of the major contributors to their need for bankruptcy protection..

Negotiate new union wage contracts that were more realistic and in-line with other auto maker's cost.

What you recommend would have certainly have reduced jobs, wages, and benefits for auto workers. Would GM business executives and stock holders have made similar sacrifices?

That is an honest question. I do not know. Do you?

[ace's n 8's]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

What you recommend would have certainly have reduced jobs, wages, and benefits for auto workers. Would GM business executives and stock holders have made similar sacrifices?

What's your issue with the executives and the stock holders, they ''OWN'' the business, they can do as they wish.

That is an honest question. I do not know. Do you?

[spjames]

[QUOTE=ace's n 8's;5312452]

You truly are a solid leftist drone,not to put a kink in your panties, but, there are other very knowledgeable business and bankruptcy experts that have different opinions. Many believe GM would have been granted Chapter 11 status without government intervention. They believe this would have been much more beneficial to both the company and our economy. They believe bankruptcy would have allowed GM to..

Start with a clean slate in union negotiations - relieving them of the legacy burdens of unaffordable union health and benefits costs that were one of the major contributors to their need for bankruptcy protection..

Negotiate new union wage contracts that were more realistic and in-line with other auto maker's cost - thus allowing them to be better positioned to be competitive. Industry average union wages are $56-$58 per hour, (including benefits costs), GM's union wage costs were $70 per hour..

Follow other typical Chapter 11 re-emergence efforts, like; shedding unprofitable parts of the company, (lie. streamlining it's bloated dealerships program), re-negotiate cost-prohibitive contractual obligations, and more...


The point being, the same options afforded any other business that seeks Chapter 11 protection in order to reorganize into a profitable company - would have been available to GM.


Obamacare, reduces Medicare spending largely through payment cuts to hospitals and privately-administered Medicare, which in fact dictates how much the private sector is 'allowed' to make, while caring for those that are in need of the benefits..

Any serious attempt to address the long-term fiscal health of our country must therefore reduce Medicare spending, which will soon be both the Federal government’s largest and fastest growing expense line item. Since both the of the parties plan to cut $716 billion from Medicare, the basic distinction between the approaches is privatization.



Under Romney-Ryan, the government would give seniors “premium support”,,the leftists characterize these as “vouchers” — with which to purchase insurance. These payments would be based on the second lowest bid from a “competitive” process amongst traditional Medicare and private companies, which the Republicans believe will ensure that all seniors can purchase coverage with the government subsidy.




So fucking what,, why cant the insurance companies provide a service that is well needed,,at a competitive rate,,you leftists, I tell ya,,BRAIN DEAD.......

The only person who's brain dead in this is YOU ace. Medicare which comes out of peoples pay is used to pay for Medicare administration and Doctors, Hospitals, Prescriptions, testing labs and nursing care facilities. Remember that government run Medicare does not run as a for profit business. Now Ryan and Rmoney are talking about taking that hard earned pay that we give to medicare and giving it to for profit insurance companies. Which of course involves firing most of the government medicare employees. Save for the ones who roll out the vouchers and keep and eye on the insurance thieves. I for one SAY NO to this SCAM. It's a scam to make the already rich insurance companies richer. It is thievery of the highest order. One that if it comes to be will be the biggest heist of taxpayer money in the history of the United States.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by spjames

The only person who's brain dead in this is YOU ace. Medicare which comes out of peoples pay is used to pay for Medicare administration and Doctors, Hospitals, Prescriptions, testing labs and nursing care facilities. Remember that government run Medicare does not run as a for profit business. Now Ryan and Rmoney are talking about taking that hard earned pay that we give to medicare and giving it to for profit insurance companies. Which of course involves firing most of the government medicare employees. Save for the ones who roll out the vouchers and keep and eye on the insurance thieves. I for one SAY NO to this SCAM. It's a scam to make the already rich insurance companies richer. It is thievery of the highest order. One that if it comes to be will be the biggest heist of taxpayer money in the history of mankind.

You like the way our federal government operates now,,dont you??

[stumbler]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You like the way our federal government operates now,,dont you??

Name a better one would you Ace?

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

You like the way our federal government operates now,,dont you??

I do not want less government. I want better government. Whenever Republican politicians get beyond the campaign generalities about making the government live within its means, and actually try to cut much of anything but welfare programs they learn that most Americans agree with me.

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by stumbler

Name a better one would you Ace?

Knock it off, you sounds as simple minded as spjames.

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's
You like the way our federal government operates now,,dont you??

I never asked about our federal government, which is the best in the world, as it was initially intended,,,,,,,,, I asked 'how it is operating now'.....

[ace's n 8's]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

I do not want less government. I want better government. Whenever Republican politicians get beyond the campaign generalities about making the government live within its means, and actually try to cut much of anything but welfare programs they learn that most Americans agree with me.

I dont care what you want,,I care about what this country needs RIGHT NOW...........REFORM ENTITLEMENTS......

[spjames]

[QUOTE=ace's n 8's;5312712]

Originally Posted by spjames

You like the way our federal government operates now,,dont you??

Not totally but there are upsides and downsides to most government. As far as I know there has NEVER EVER been a perfect government created in the history of the world. That being said lets turn to what we can do. Costs in the military sector could come way down from where they are. There are two many military contractors doing things yet contributing little. Trim the fat. I'm sure there's a couple of hundred billion PER YEAR we could cut from that budget and spend it more wisely elsewhere. Yet here we sit arguing about 500 to 700 billion over 8 years to help people stay well. Where is the sense in that? If we trimmed 200 to 300 billion per year from the military budget and turned it toward healthcare in this country our medical system would be the envy of the world.

Unless your brain is fried that 200 billion x 8 years would be 1.6 trillion dollars. It would come real close to providing severely reduced cost medical care to every US citizen. Yet you chicken hawks prefer to spend it on finding ways to kill people instead.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

I dont care what you want,,I care about what this country needs RIGHT NOW...........REFORM ENTITLEMENTS......

Washington (CNN) - Most Americans want a special congressional committee tasked with drafting a long-term solution to the nation's mounting federal deficits to include tax hikes for the wealthy and businesses and deep cuts in domestic spending, according to a new national survey.

A CNN/ORC International Poll released Wednesday also indicates that the public doesn't want the super committee to propose major changes to Social Security and Medicare or increase taxes on middle class and lower-income Americans.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...spending-cuts/

There is no mention of specific "deep cuts in domestic spending," so I think that is pro forma.

What matters is that there is very little support for cuts in Social Security or Medicare, and much support for a more progressive tax system.

[anotheruser1]

Besides totally running the country into the ground, I am extremely pissed that the tyranny and oppression continues each day with a different assault on our freedom and rights. The government has pissed off a growing number of people that are planning a revolt. If they have any sense they will back the fuck off.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

The Truth:
This is a list of alleged "lies" by presidential candidate Barack Obama that circulated during the 2008 presidential primary season.

There were several different versions, the first having only about 25 criticisms of Obama and instead of calling him a "liar" it ended each claim with the phrase "Not quite." Then it was 46 questions and a version circulated that added four more to make it 50 lies.

It was a very difficult and tedious process to research this. Whoever put it together did not document where Obama made these statements and many of them could not be found...

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government-Truth! & Fiction!
It is true that Obama's father became well-educated and had the advantage in his early life of having learned to read and write.

It is also true, however, that he herded goats. In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Obama describes that his father herded goats for his own father, who was a farmer. As a youth, Obama's father was sent to a missionary school to be educated. When he returned, according to family members, he could find little work except goat herding in his village of Nyangoma Kogela in Western Kenya.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had-Unproven!
We could not find this claim that Obama represented his father as a "proud freedom fighter."...

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya .. It is the first widespread violence in decades-Unproven! & Truth!
Again, we could not find where Obama said that his family has strong ties to African Freedom...

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man-Fiction!
We could not find a time when Obama claimed that his grandmother had always been a Christian...

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist-Fiction!
We have not found any reference in either of his books of an Ebony article that influenced Obama's decision to run for office...

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE-Fiction!
The University of Chicago Law School has issued a statement on this:

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-lies.htm

I've been away for a while, but I can tell you without even looking any further, you're wasting your breath. aces and thik aren't interested in truth, all they care about is a nice lie they can repeat without thinking too much. if you read them, they're actually a pretty sad pair of little creatures, so filled with hate and fear that it's consumed their minds and whatever they may once have had in the way of souls, leaving a pair of empty husks to yammer away here.

[signatory12]

[QUOTE=spjames;5312745]

Originally Posted by ace's n 8's

Not totally but there are upsides and downsides to most government. As far as I know there has NEVER EVER been a perfect government created in the history of the world. That being said lets turn to what we can do. Costs in the military sector could come way down from where they are. There are two many military contractors doing things yet contributing little. Trim the fat. I'm sure there's a couple of hundred billion PER YEAR we could cut from that budget and spend it more wisely elsewhere. Yet here we sit arguing about 500 to 700 billion over 8 years to help people stay well. Where is the sense in that? If we trimmed 200 to 300 billion per year from the military budget and turned it toward healthcare in this country our medical system would be the envy of the world.

Unless your brain is fried that 200 billion x 8 years would be 1.6 trillion dollars. It would come real close to providing severely reduced cost medical care to every US citizen. Yet you chicken hawks prefer to spend it on finding ways to kill people instead.

face it, the aces isn't going to listen to a logical argument, he knows all the "facts" he needs to now.....and no amount of truth is going to change his mind on the subject.

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by signatory12

I've been away for a while, but I can tell you without even looking any further, you're wasting your breath. aces and thik aren't interested in truth, all they care about is a nice lie they can repeat without thinking too much. if you read them, they're actually a pretty sad pair of little creatures, so filled with hate and fear that it's consumed their minds and whatever they may once have had in the way of souls, leaving a pair of empty husks to yammer away here.

Welcome back. I missed you.

It does get tiresome keep trying to push facts into narrow minds.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by anotheruser1

Besides totally running the country into the ground, I am extremely pissed that the tyranny and oppression continues each day with a different assault on our freedom and rights. The government has pissed off a growing number of people that are planning a revolt. If they have any sense they will back the fuck off.

gods, are you still here, trying to strut around and act tough? I'd have thought you'd get a clue by now how many of us are reading your posts and literally laughing our fucking asses off. but just to humor everyone a little more, why don't you list all the "tyranny and oppression" the current government is engaged in, or would asking you for details tax your ability to make crap up too much?

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

Welcome back. I missed you.

It does get tiresome keep trying to push facts into narrow minds.

yeah, having to wade through the crap folks like thik and aces post here is one of the big reasons I don't stick around too much. I own a set of hip waders, but the way those folks pump it out, I'd need a life raft to keep my head above the shit!

[Distant Lover]

Originally Posted by signatory12

yeah, having to wade through the crap folks like thik and aces post here is one of the big reasons I don't stick around too much. I own a set of hip waders, but the way those folks pump it out, I'd need a life raft to keep my head above the shit!

You are needed to fight the good fight. Please do not let the garbage drive you out.

[anotheruser1]

Originally Posted by signatory12

gods, are you still here, trying to strut around and act tough? I'd have thought you'd get a clue by now how many of us are reading your posts and literally laughing our fucking asses off. but just to humor everyone a little more, why don't you list all the "tyranny and oppression" the current government is engaged in, or would asking you for details tax your ability to make crap up too much?

Fuck you, you whinny little bastard. Nobody asked for your filthy sewer to spew shit.

[signatory12]

Originally Posted by Distant Lover

You are needed to fight the good fight. Please do not let the garbage drive you out.

well, there's fighting the good fight.....then there's what happens here, which is kinda like this:
never been a big fan of useless pain myself...........