1. NicoleDeLint

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    Yeah and there are also individuals who are taking it upon themselves to remove the Confederate flag from private property.

    That sucks
     
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      I have a shotgun to convince them of the folly of any such attempt.
       
      freethinker, May 18, 2017
  2. msman

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    The stars and bars are a part of our state flag. I covers the top left corner.
     
  3. Distant Lover

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    The South could have preserved slavery without fighting. In the election of 1860 Abraham Lincoln won 39% of the vote. In a two way election that is considered to be losing by a landslide. During his campaign for the presidency in 1860, and earlier in his campaign for the Senate in 1858 he made it clear that he was not in favor of outlawing slavery where it existed. He wanted to prevent slavery spreading to the territories.

    In addition he was opposed to what he called "a second Dred Scott Decision." This would have been a Supreme Court decision overruling state laws against slavery.

    The abolitionist movement was never popular in the free states before the Civil War. Most whites wanted to keep slavery out of their states and out of the territories because they wanted to keep blacks out of those states and the territories. If Negroes were freed in the South, many of them would have moved North, as of course they eventually did.

    In a speech given in Savannah, Georgia in March 21, 1861 the Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens said:

    "The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution...

    "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [to freedom] its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."

    At the beginning of the Civil War the South was fighting to preserve slavery. The motives of Northerners were less uniform.

    If the Confederacy had won the Civil War I have difficulty believing that they would have soon ended an institution they fought so hard to preserve.

    If the slaves were ever freed I have more difficulty imagining that they would have ever been granted equal rights by the Confederate government. I cannot imagine someone like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. giving a speech similar to King's "I Have a Dream Speech" on the steps of the Jefferson Davis Memorial in Richmond, Virginia.
     
    1. seafoam1
      The Jefferson Davis Memorial is in my opinion the least appealing of all of statues on Monument Ave. It's distasteful in it's Confederate glory, yet still has to be studied to be understood. It's by far the hardest one to defend but I still think it should remain as a stark reminder to the mistakes of the past.
       
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      Amen, never should man hide or distort history.
       
      Mr Smith 36, May 18, 2017
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  5. NicoleDeLint

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    Yep Jimmy was the real philanderer
     
  6. Mr Smith 36

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    Here they go again... destroying history. Is it any wonder mankind never learns from history?
     
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    Islamic state is destroying Roman ruins at palmyra.

    The Taliban destroyed ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan .

    Both cases were based on the fact that these sites are sinful .

    And to them this is very real .

    To destroy parts of southern history is behavior that is cut from the same cloth .
     
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    It's become quite fashionable to say that slavery was the only real reason for southern interest in a Civil War or dissolution or whatever you want to come it.

    I think the Civil War was fought for states rights and the southern belief that this was the essence of American values.

    Clearly the southern states were caught in the past and with the advent of agricultural machinery slavery would have ended anyway .

    But slavery was a moral issue that the north could seize upon .

    Never mind the fact that the emancipation proclamation did not free a single slave in northern controlled territory .

    No historian worth his or her salt could justify that slavery was the predominant cause of the United States civil
    War.
     
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    Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Let's tear down Monticello. George Washington, tear down the Washington memorial. There may have been slaves used in building the White House. Let's tear that down too. I'm sorry that slavery happened to all races. However, I don't think that taking down landmarks because some find it offensive is the answer.
     
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    This is just like ISIS and the Taliban destroying Buddhist and Christian relics.

    It is exactly the same. No difference whatsoever. Mindless fucking fanatics.
     
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    It may not be the answer, but it certainly is a start.
     
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      I have an idea, how about we take down the statue of liberty and ship it to you frogs....along with any new applicants.
       
      TwoCards, May 20, 2017 at 4:34 PM
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    Retard.
     
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    Nobody is destroying history. What they're destroying is the admiration for people who don't deserve it. This is actually the opposite of destroying history, it's destroying legends so that actual history can be judged fairly.
     
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      You are truly an ignorant bitch, but carry on, plenty are like you around here.
       
      TwoCards, May 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM
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    That's all ISIS and the Taliban do when they destroy thousand year old Buddhist temples. They're only destroying undeserved admiration. Not history. Not relics.

    The Moslem Brotherhood wants to destroy the Great Pyramids and the Sphyinx.

    We should definitely let them. They are only destroying undeserved admiration.

    Retard.
     
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    Mmmmmmkay....

    Let's get rid of all these statues and monuments and likenesses of George Washington. After all, he was a slave owner too. And Thomas Jefferson, not only owned slaves but fathered children by one. Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Samuel Chase, John Jay, Patrick Henry, and James Madison are some of the other notable 'founding fathers' of the United States who owned slaves. Andrew Jackson, Trump's idol, was probably one of the worst racists ever to hold the office. General William Tecumseh Sherman, who led the Union March through Georgia and the Carolinas, was a blatant racist. Where is the outcry to tear down all their monuments?

    It's history people. Live with it. Learn from it.
     
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    Owning slaves was not treason. Secession was. The Confederacy was an evil country fighting for an evil cause.
     
  17. NicoleDeLint

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    Neo-Nazis have routinely been given permits to march through city streets and sometimes even in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods . Sometimes to the horror of local residents .

    If the standard for prohibition is that the things that offend the sensibilities of a group of people justifies their removal then where is the clear line ?

    How many people have to be offended and how do we measure the level of their offense ?

    My point about Isis and the Taliban is that they were genuinely offended by the existence of these structures . Both sites represented idolatry and to them it was as real as a threat to their faith as anything else is to anybody else .

    For some reason we continue to wish to believe that slavery was the central issue in the Civil War . Even textbooks are sometimes cleansed of the other reasons for the Civil War .

    The South made very good arguments as to the correctness of secession as set forth in the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions for example .

    The Norths View was well whatever you're not leaving .

    And as I have pointed out Lincoln had no problem allowing slavery to continue in Kentucky saying that he would like to have God on his side but he needed Kentucky for the war effort . And that was after the Emancipation Proclamation which was more intended to keep European nations from recognizing the confederacy . Not a single slave was emancipated due to his effort as the slaves in those areas were not under northern control .

    William Tecumseh Sherman certainly created a world of misery on his march to the sea but we certainly don't have any problems celebrating statues of him .

    Sherman by the way went on to moving out west to create a world of hurt on Native Americans after the Civil War .

    Again where does this all and and where is the line ?
     
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      The Norths View was well whatever you're not leaving .

      And now we belong to a web site that says the same thing.
       
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    I'm not clear how it is that the Roman ruins and the statue of the Buddha represent undeserved admiration .

    Who is to say what is deserved and what is undeserved?

    The Romans had a powerful culture and empire and the Buddhists had a long and worthy spiritual history worthy of celebration .

    Because you don't value them does not mean that other people do not value them .
     
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    Usually the politicians are the people who decide what is deserved and what is underserved.
    Their only guideline is will it get me a few votes.
     
  20. AyaLaRoux

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    It helps if you quote what you're referring to, otherwise nobody knows what you're... well... referring to.

    There's such a thing as the declaration of Human Rights. People who violate Human Rights certainly don't deseve admiration. So, if you're looking for a yardstick, try that.

    That's a strawman and you know it. Yes, the Romans had a great culture. So did a plethora of other nations and peoples. But you're comparing INDIVIDUALS with COLLECTIVES. The statues in question here celebrate INDIVIDUALS with quite frankly abhorrent views and deeds. Nobody celebrates Nero or Caligula, to give you a Roman counterpart.

    True. However, people who value slavers and those fighting for slavery have earned my scorn as much as the slavers themselves.