MissRachael,

I said what I had, what I wanted to say. I think I made clear what I thought about this CAW #18. I hope I was read carefully enough to understand that his way of doing things and running this contest was purely righteous. Like you I refuse to take part in this joke run by someone who decides that only the criterias of his already written story are acceptable.

Let's all vote for his story, even before he publishes it and declare him the winner and get this farce over with, so we can move on to CAW # 19.

But then we'll be stuck with him as the CAW SOP again. The best thing is to forfeit this CAW and run a parallel one, run under the Forum rules and where the CAW Sop would only decide on the theme and nothing else that the Forum Rules already govern.

Just saying

 

I would think that PR is aware that a person running a CAW does NOT enter a story in that CAW. If so, he could not have already written a story that he is making up rules to fit. Let's give him that much credit.

 

Well, the host used to be free to enter a story; only when we switched from polls to secret balloting did we forgo a host's entry to avoid creating the opportunity to manipulate voting in their own favor.

 

Let's be thankful that PRick won CAW 17 and not one a year ago. Just imgione if he had been asked to organise CAW 14 or 15. He would probably have banned it for being underage.

 

Not only that; several talented writers on here have, even under the cloak of anonymity, registered multiple wins. By excluding the previous winner for one contest it helps to open the field up for the other competitors, and also assists the compy to be of a different nature each time.

If Pte Rickmers was to enter, and win, the current contest then impose a similar set of ridiculous restrictions on the following compy then a number of people would, I believe, lose interest altogether. As it is, the CAW concept has been a tad blemished by the current debacle, but it is to be hoped that 18's winner will learn from this furore and host a less exclusive compy next time, without the self-imposed censorship involved presently.

CAW 18 will take place without the presence of several regular participants, all of whom are very able writers (including past winners), and as such will have a field of entries that will not be as bountiful as it would otherwise have been.

Incidentally, CAW SOP's patronising sarcasm towards MissRachael was indeed most uncalled for, and perhaps shows the measure of the man behind it. He has a remarkable talent for words when he chooses to use them constructively, but pompousness shines through on occasion, it would seem.

 

Returning to the question of age limits, I looked up the Wiki page concerning Methuselah and found this paragraph:

"Another commentator[17] argued that the Septuagint Genesis 5 numbers are in tenths of years, which "will explain how it was that they read 930 years for the age of Adam instead of 93 years, and 969 years for Methuselah instead of 96 years, and 950 years for that of Noah instead of 95 years"... "Surely it is much more rational to conclude that Noah lived 50 years instead of 500 years before he took a wife and begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth." The same commentator's Table III[18] lists the Septuagint total ages with decimal points: 93.0 for Adam, 91.0 for Cainan, 96.9 for Methuselah, 95.0 for Noah, etc. Another commentator[19] provided a similar table of the same Septuagint Genesis 5 numbers with decimal points inserted in the same tenth position."

If we were to write a story set at this time using the above theory as our point of reference, it would be totally within the rules to describe a woman having children at the age of 150 even though we know that by this means of calculation she is only 15.

What about a story that goes something like this:
"Today's my 39th birthday, 20 years to the day since I met Sue at Woodstock and it really was the summer of peace and love. 19 years old and lost my virginity the same day. Wow."

then it ends with:
" I heard the mail clatter through the letterbox and found a birthday card sent by my mum. "Happy 37th" it said."

So many ways to get round the 18 limit.

 

You give credit too easily!

At the start of this thread he stated CLEARLY that he WAS entering and only later did he hint at not entering!

Not like you to miss the facts ELP!

 

Can anyone confirm that all males have to wait until 18 before they are born because they are not permitted to have their penis inside a vagina before that age?

 

Has anyone considered taking the opposite tact on the matter of age and considered writing about an older couple?

If you have them celebrating some event, for example (and this is not the synopsis of my story for clarity): Bicentennial of the USA, couple references an event or two from earlier in their lives as they grew up, and how they met or married and had their hurried honeymoon (the romantic moment, or at least one) say before he shipped out to Korea, or to serve elsewhere after being drafted.

This gives a time reference, indirectly, to establish their current age.

Either that, or write something such as: "Today my dear, we celebrate the fact that after ten years of marriage you still honor someone as unworthy as me..."

Honestly, turn the challenge around and instead of seeing the "18-and above' as a restrictive barrier, write about a couple who have endured trials and had joys of marriage, or of an older relationship as lovers or soon-to-be married.

 

As someone who is "mature" and has written about the "mature" person, I applaud your fresh outlook, Snow.

 

Not only that, um, what's wrong with writing about people who are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 (this could get annoying if I continued), 25, 26, 27, 28 (see what I mean!)............30's, 40's...

You don't have to write about people in their 80s...(please don't!)

I quadruple-dog-dare anyone, including the current host, to come up with a challenge where they could write and story and I could not. Not impossible, but pretty difficult. And I'm certainly not the best writer here.

No characters under 18? Not a problem. Am I worried about being 110% authentic? No. If I wanted to write about Mary, Queen of Scots (love the tv show Reign!) and if she was under 18, I simply would ignore that fact and not mention age at all or say that she is in 10th grade or anything else that would give reason to exclude the story. But, I'll take it a step better and if I wanted to be absolutely sure that my story was not disqualified, I'd put this statement at the beginning, before the story starts:

"All characters in this story are 18 years of age or older."

That covers my ass and allows me creative flexibility to write my story my way.

But I'm not even going in that direction. There are a million stories out there to tell, and none of the ones I'm thinking about involve minors, and none require forced sex, and so on.

Restrictive? Yes, but I don't feel a noose around my neck. You see, I'm gonna' try like hell to win this effin' CAW and then I'll set the rules for the next one, and they won't cause this kind of furor.

That's the ticket...WIN this bitch and set the ship upright again!

 

Horse and Ejls,

That is what I am getting at. We seem to, in a certain part, have forgotten that the CAW is meant to be a challenge to our creativity.

As I have commented before, NEW left a post on my story "Of Wolves," that got me to pondering how to write stories of older, more mature (relation wise and otherwise) couples, and not just the standard (for my writing) "Spring/Winter match"

While I may not be able to match Ejls and Horse, or most of the other authors here - yet - in writing ability, I'm going to do my best. Not just to try for a win, but for the readers.

Let's end the arguing, and get on with the writing.

I have four other ideas to explore if time permits, and have one general story together that needs some final tweaking here and there.

 

Horse, consider this much, how loud will people groan if I won this match?

As I do have a simple, expansive idea for a CAW I would host...

And of course, I would probably receive the justly earned joking and payback from everyone else for the sheer chaos I cause. :excited:

 

:excited:

 

Haven't you forgotten about this, horse?

 

If I wrote a story in which two 8 year olds went at it, I'd expect a swift ban hammer from our lovely siren.

If I wrote a story and stated that all characters were 18 years of age and I did not make it obviously a slap in the face of the rules ("...her prepubescent vulva excited me...") and someone later pointed out that my historical data was off, I'd say prove it. Show me a friggin' certified birth certificate!

 

Its not simply the fact that it is a restrictive barrier, its the fact that there is such a restriction at all that I object to, the fact that the current rules of XNXX are not enough for Pte Rickmers, he seeks to impose his own values over and above those of the website itself.

Agreed. I wasn't intending to write a story featuring an under-age character, but on principle I will not pander to CAW SOP's ego and his misguided restrictions.

Very true. This CAW has been poorly managed so far, and CAW SOP's extended procrastination is not helping matters at all. Now is the time to set out his stall and run the damned compy.

In my personal opinion the sooner its over and done with the sooner we can get on with CAW 19 which will, one hopes, be a much more open and enjoyable experience.

 

I'm pretty sure that a quick check in Wiki would do. However, that is not the point that everyone is making. The problem is with the ever lengthening list of requirements, not bannable offences. You can be pretty sure that he will read every story closely and criticise it because you didn't follow his orders. People are talking about alternative CAWs and all that but I would like to make a suggestion. The original proposal was about a period story which was supposed to be as accurate as possible and, in the words of CAW SOP himself

Now that's a pretty long list of requirements and it isn't finished yet as I PMd him with my ways of getting round his restrictions. I would suggest that everyone carries on with their stories and, come the deadline, send their entry into CAW SOP. Let him read every single story and decide if he wants to accept them or not. If he rejects them even though they conform to the forum rules then nothing prevents us opening a new thread and announcing that the story was rejected by the organiser. That way we can stop all the bickering that is going on here at the moment and get down to writing proper stories. If he rejects our entries then he can only blame himself for lowering the quality of the CAW. As far as I am concerned the original statement that he wanted an accurate period piece holds good and that will be the basis of the story I send him. So let's stop the talk about a boycott now.

 

Wee Hector,

Concur, if I recall right Ejls commented about having the 'CAW 18 - writing phase" up soon (if not, then I apologize for my blunder).

Mostly I hope CAW Host will keep the choice of posting anonymously, or openly. This is one CAW I want to see how well my story/s can do in the open; mostly to see how well my writing has improved, or fallen apart.

 

I'm good with that.

Perhaps I'm a bit sentimental, but I joined this site because of CAW, and I don't wanna' see it ripped apart because of one person.

I encourage those of you who have ideas that will fit into the rules of this CAW to enter...the more the merrier. I also encourage those of you who are pissed and have stated that you will not enter to consider, is cutting off your nose to spite your face the best option? I hope not.

Enter under protest. You don't lose face. You don't compromise your scruples.

Let me be the first to state this, that if the proposed rules do not change:

I am entering this competition under protest.

I believe the proposed rules are not only too restrictive, I think there may have been shenanigans taking place with regards to the CAW Host writing a story and crafting the rules around his personal beliefs, and his story.

Enter under protest. Win. Make CAW 19 better.