Now I get it... As folks typically rise up through the ranks of politics, they affiliate themselves with this party or that, yet what if things were a tad different? Different as in, when a person runs for the President of The United States, then all affiliations with any party are supposedly severed. Now I'm not naïve and realize that there would still likely be communication between the candidate and their previous party, however, in doing so that likely means that the other parties might begin soliciting them as well, and naturally they are under no obligation to their original party lines.

Add to that, no funds from a party may be transferred or utilized in the presidential election, nor may that party campaign for any candidate. Now I get how there are all these bogus organizations that spring up already to campaign for individuals, and many are funded by respective parties, yet, without the ability to have an open or even slightly hidden paper trail, that means that it would become even more difficult, and the power such groups might have once had is diminished.

So what's the point?

Folks have never liked when the president, the senate and house together lean heavy one way or the other. Oh sure, they like it when their choices are in such a position, yet raise holy hell when they're not. So the goal here would be simply putting just that much more, no matter how fractional it may be of a gap between congress and the president, and naturally partisanship.

The President is supposed to represent "everyone." As the system stands, he does not. We have congress to represent the states and the people within them based upon that state's leanings. That's fine in that there is some point where there has to be a collective melting pot of opinion made. However, "I'd like" to be able to view the president as that great moderator and organizer. Not a fraction of the nations citizen's powerhouse wherein we go X-years this way, then Y-years that way, and in the end we become a government simply chasing its tail, wasting OUR money as they enact then eliminate this and that.

Thoughts, arguments? Though I realize it won't happen, try and urge yourself from using the current situation either for or against to support your opinions. Simply right vs. wrong and why would be nice for a change.

Yeah, this thread is dead before it started

Hush....an alias

 

well in theory --- never-mind...

 

It sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately, I don't think it will ever happen. People are so enamored of the two-party system in the US, they can't think in terms of anything else. It's always left vs right, liberal vs conservative - Democrat vs Republican. Sure, there are other political parties out there, but the two-party system is so entrenched in American politics, barely anyone pays any attention to them. They're afraid voting for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, and the sad fact is, as things stand now, they're right. Rather than vote for someone who might really be able to make a difference without making a complete circus of it, they'd rather vote for a buffoon because he's 'their' party's candidate.

 

Shooter thinks it is much better for a candidate to be affiliated with a political party. They will be anyway, why let this be a potential issue (Biden secretly locked into Democrats through his dog's e Mail, the scoundrel). Better the devil you know and so forth.
The problem as Shooter sees it is the that "party politics" is getting nastier and will not get better for years. The Republicans are smugly in control, but if the winds blow in Washington as they normally do, the Democrats will claim (arrogantly) control of one or both houses in a couple of years and the hatespeak will only get worse. Above all we need to find common ground between the Democrats and Republicans, put down the pitchforks for a bit and have some meaningful dialogue. The problem is, the Republicans right now don't need to and the "new Democrats" don't want to talk; they want Trumps blood, they want Clinton in the oval office and fuck anyone or anything that stands in their way or dares to disagree. They are even threatening old line Democrats with primary fights for their seats if they don't get in line damn quick.
It is this trend in politics that is most concerning; the sides aren't talking with each other and the new Democrats aren't talking to anyone; they just want blood.

A better course might be Federally funded elections, but capping funds and then keeping the big money out will be a challenge what with free speech and all.

Maybe just locking up George Soros would be enough to restore some sanity in our politics.

Nah. Somebody'd bitch.

The revolution is perhaps the only way; vote the robbers out, get some new blood in Congress and see what shakes out.

Are you ready to join the revolution, Hush?

 

Never happen!
Politicians are big liars. You would never know who alined with your political tenets.

 

The two party system evolved as a result of our Constitutional form of government. Our Executive and Legislature are separate, and each are elected for fixed terms. This forces a certain stability, because everyone is stuck with everyone else, for the time being. In order to get anything done, ideas and plans have to be supported by enough elected officials to make sense of things. Like minded legislators get together to come up with a consensus plan and present it to the entire body. Parties are going to form because it's the most efficient way to operate a legislature.

Since the President must have a majority of the vote, political factions will always form alliances until at least one can receive 50%+1 votes. There is no practical way to eliminate parties from politics because politics is why we have parties.

 

I think it was be far more effective to eliminate money from our system and make all elections publicly funded. It would break the cycle of constant begging (campaigning) for money, and it would get rid of the pay-to-play aspect of governing.

 

You also need to put any pay raises in the hands of the voters and get rid of all of the other rules and laws that protect Washington politicians from the same penalties as the average US citizen. But since the same Washington politicians would have to pass such a law it isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

 

One thing WE can do it way is quit voting party line. Vote your conscience.

 

been doing that for years...

if thy have a Hispanic sounding name no vote from me....

 

The party system is un-constitutional, separation of church and state. God means infinite knowledge and wisdom, God is Earth and Earth is God, the Declaration of Independence. For thousands of years all mankind has done is to lie and deceive.

 

Virtually all people vote for their own self interest.

They get into politics for the same reason. Almost all of them.

 

All politicians are crooked, every single one of them. Even when they start out with the best of intentions the money and the power and the system corrupt them. They are all out to enrich their own pockets and stay in office no matter what it takes. We are all the huddled masses and they are here to Lord over us.
Term limits are the only answer to force them out of power. The people can't be counted on to vote out incumbents because they system is skewed to keep them in office.