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  1. slutwolf

    slutwolf Porn Star

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    Just saw a rerun.

    Some snow in Sahara was waist deep.
    That's a shit load if snow
    (for a usually arrid area)

    Must Google n see if I can find actual area and altitude
     
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  2. slutwolf

    slutwolf Porn Star

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    IMG_20170123_103800.JPG
    above mid center.
    Ain Sefra , altitude 1081m (3,547ft)
    same latitude as San Diego and Dallas
    * * *

    A metre of snow falls in the Sahara desert

    20 JANUARY 2017 • 4:00PM
    The most snow to fall in living memory is currently coating the desert sands of the Sahara.

    A month after the largest hot desert on the planet experienced the first snowfall in
    nearly 40 years,
    the white powder has returned, and in greater volume.

    Residents of Aïn Séfra, Algeria, were greeted this morning by a metre of snow, twice as much as has fallen in most ski resorts in the French Alps over the last week.
    Before last December it was in 1979 that Aïn Séfra, where the Atlas Mountains meet the desert, last saw snow.
     
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  3. ChaseD.Regan

    ChaseD.Regan Sex Lover

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    Not that I believe in the junk science of Global Warming. Buuuut, I don't want to see them role back the initiative of cleaning up the environment. Only the bullshit policies need to go. Our ocean beaches are getting worse every year. The amount of trash floating in is staggering. Sickening. The Fukushima disaster is still creating impacts the likes of wich we have never seen before. Holy shit China and Rio! Dont even get me started there. The Atlantic and Pacific garbage circle. Our Navy is still dumping jet engines off the sides of aircraft carriers cause the are past their expiration date. It just goes on and on. At this rate something has got to give. Unfortunately all i can do is flap my jaws about it
     
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  4. slutwolf

    slutwolf Porn Star

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    dayum
    the waters round NZ are 2 to 3.5 degrees colder than normal this summer.
    Guess I'll have t postpone setting up my banana plantation .
     
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    1. RandyKnight
      Must be the ICE melting and cooling off the oceans....
       
      RandyKnight, Jan 26, 2017
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  5. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    Climate change/global warming has been "studied" to death, bringing to mind the old adage, figures never lie, but liars figure.
    When the doom Sayers declared that we were about to roast in our own polluted soup of carbon infused air the opportunists swept in with all manner of solutions with but a single common trait; they all involved giving massive amounts of money to the opportunists.

    Shooter is still waiting for a single workable plan that will control climate change/global warming.

    One does not control mother nature. At most, one can get along with mother nature and hope she doesn't fuck up the day too badly.
     
    1. slutwolf
      very profound
      but what about my banana plantation ?
      this cold water shit is not in the plan
      where's all those basteds with carbon credits
      this is jus not good enuf
       
      slutwolf, Jan 26, 2017
    2. shootersa
      Well, but first we need to determine if your banana plantation will add to the problem. You know, assuming you grow good organic bananas, and that the growing or consuming of bananas doesn't add to the problem (Shooter used to have the most amazing farts after he ate bananas) then you have to account for how you will ship them to market without adding to the problem. And, you of course are responsible for the buyers transportation to, you know, actually buy your bananas.

      Shooter thinks you should maybe rethink bananas. Have you considered an ostrich farm?
       
      shootersa, Jan 26, 2017
    3. slutwolf
      No.
      those fukkrs bury their heads in the sand
       
      slutwolf, Jan 26, 2017
    4. shootersa
      And bite. Fucking HARD
       
      shootersa, Jan 26, 2017
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  6. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    Thu Jan 26, 2017 | 12:12pm EST
    U.S. government scientists go 'rogue' in defiance of Trump

    Employees from more than a dozen U.S. government agencies have established a network of unofficial "rogue" Twitter feeds in defiance of what they see as attempts by President Donald Trump to muzzle federal climate change research and other science.

    Seizing on Trump's favorite mode of discourse, scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA and other bureaus have privately launched Twitter accounts - borrowing names and logos of their agencies - to protest restrictions they view as censorship and provide unfettered platforms for information the new administration has curtailed.

    "Can't wait for President Trump to call us FAKE NEWS," one anonymous National Park Service employee posted on the newly opened Twitter account @AltNatParkService. "You can take our official twitter, but you'll never take our free time."

    The @RogueNASA account displayed an introductory disclaimer describing it as "The unofficial 'Resistance' team of NASA. Not an official NASA account." It beckoned readers to follow its feed "for science and climate news and facts. REAL NEWS, REAL FACTS."

    The swift proliferation of such tweets by government rank-and-file followed internal directives several agencies involved in environmental issues have received since Trump's inauguration requiring them to curb their dissemination of information to the public.

    Last week, Interior Department staff were told to stop posting on Twitter after an employee re-tweeted posts about relatively low attendance at Trump's swearing-in, and about how material on climate change and civil rights had disappeared from the official White House website.

    Employees at the EPA and the departments of Interior, Agriculture and Health and Human Services have since confirmed seeing notices from the new administration either instructing them to remove web pages or limit how they communicate to the public, including through social media.

    The restrictions have reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change skeptic, is out to squelch federally backed research showing that emissions from fossil fuel combustion and other human activities are contributing to global warming.

    The resistance movement gained steam on Tuesday when a series of climate change-related tweets were posted to the official Twitter account of Badlands National Park in South Dakota, administered under the Interior Department, but were soon deleted.

    A Park Service official later said those tweets came from a former employee no longer authorized to use the official account and that the agency was being encouraged to use Twitter to post public safety and park information only, and to avoid national policy issues.

    Within hours, unofficial "resistance" or "rogue" Twitter accounts began sprouting up, emblazoned with the government logos of the agencies where they worked, the list growing to at least 14 such sites by Wednesday afternoon.

    An account dubbed @ungaggedEPA invited followers to visit its feeds of "ungagged news, links, tips and conversation that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is unable to tell you," adding that it was "Not directly affiliated with @EPA."

    U.S. environmental employees were soon joined by similar "alternative" Twitter accounts originating from various science and health agencies, including the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Weather Service. Many of their messages carried Twitter hashtags #resist or #resistance.

    An unofficial Badlands National Park account called @BadHombreNPS also emerged (a reference to one of Trump's more memorable campaign remarks about Mexican immigrants) to post material that had been scrubbed from the official site earlier.

    Because the Twitter feeds were set up and posted to anonymously as private accounts, they are beyond the control of the government.
     
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  7. slutwolf

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    The fool
    Suppression of information ,
    how dose he figure that'll work ?

    Dose he think he's
    Kim Jung Trump

    The Peoples Republic of Silent America
    :)
    Nah
    won't work.
     
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  8. thinskin

    thinskin Porn Star Banned!

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    Good!

    Thinskin
     
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  9. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    Speaking of global warming....
    I have a feeling they are standing on thin ice.....
     
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      I have contributed to this debate many times, just look at the rate of ocean acidification and I think we are in trouble!

      ts
       
      thinskin, Jan 26, 2017
    2. RandyKnight
      yep you should have not made that big ocean between you and mexico because you guys are under water....

      need to get to work on that huge great wall of yours....
       
      RandyKnight, Jan 26, 2017
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  10. RandyKnight

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    He is just ending spending money on the bogus reports and study....
    The new Secretary will take care of things if the Dems get off their asses and go to work.
    Teacher is out and kids are running wild.....

    bogus jobs and bogus science going to end.....
     
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  11. slutwolf

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    Whatever he thinks he's doing ,
    instructing people to stop posting about things they believe in ,
    in this day and age ?

    He's supposed to be making America great ,
    not trying to create America's Dark Ages.

    Looks like #1 Tweety bird is gonna get out tweeted
    tweet tweet twedledy dee

    Tweedledum n Tweedledee
    went to war in a beautiful sky blue cloud
    and Tweedledum told Tweedledee
    he was not alowed
     
    1. RandyKnight
      depends on if they want to keep their jobs.....

      do you tweet against the policy of the company you work for and expect to stay?

      shape up or ship out.....using the Govt logs without permission....good luck

      simple as abc go fish.......
       
      RandyKnight, Jan 26, 2017
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  12. shootersa

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    If Trump is only saying; we're gonna stop spending government resources on this stuff he's well within his job description. And he'd be on solid ground.
    President Reagan could explain it in some detail by using the Air Traffic Controllers as his example.

    If he's saying no government employee shall spend one second of time or money on this stuff, on or off the job he'd be outside of his job description and on very thin ground.

    Shooter suspects Trump is just taking the government out of what he sees as bogus science that has evolved to line the pockets of a few robbers.

    But that won't matter to the Trump "unsupporters".
    Just another thing for them to bitch about.
    So be it.
     
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  13. Rixer

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    Suppressing information concerns me.
     
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      lying govt supported scientists getting caught red-handed in their emails should concern us even more than suppression. but nope, sweep it under the rug...
       
      conroe4, Feb 1, 2017
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  14. RandyKnight

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    so Wikileaks is OK....
     
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    Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data
    • The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming
    • It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change
    • America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules
    • The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data

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    The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

    A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

    The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

    But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.

    It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.

    His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.

    His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies, and to withdraw from the Paris deal – so triggering an intense political row.

    In an exclusive interview, Dr Bates accused the lead author of the paper, Thomas Karl, who was until last year director of the NOAA section that produces climate data – the National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) – of ‘insisting on decisions and scientific choices that maximised warming and minimised documentation… in an effort to discredit the notion of a global warming pause, rushed so that he could time publication to influence national and international deliberations on climate policy’.

    Dr Bates was one of two Principal Scientists at NCEI, based in Asheville, North Carolina.

    Official delegations from America, Britain and the EU were strongly influenced by the flawed NOAA study as they hammered out the Paris Agreement – and committed advanced nations to sweeping reductions in their use of fossil fuel and to spending £80 billion every year on new, climate-related aid projects.

    The scandal has disturbing echoes of the ‘Climategate’ affair which broke shortly before the UN climate summit in 2009, when the leak of thousands of emails between climate scientists suggested they had manipulated and hidden data. Some were British experts at the influential Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

    NOAA’s 2015 ‘Pausebuster’ paper was based on two new temperature sets of data – one containing measurements of temperatures at the planet’s surface on land, the other at the surface of the seas.

    Both datasets were flawed. This newspaper has learnt that NOAA has now decided that the sea dataset will have to be replaced and substantially revised just 18 months after it was issued, because it used unreliable methods which overstated the speed of warming. The revised data will show both lower temperatures and a slower rate in the recent warming trend.

    The land temperature dataset used by the study was afflicted by devastating bugs in its software that rendered its findings ‘unstable’.

    The paper relied on a preliminary, ‘alpha’ version of the data which was never approved or verified.

    A final, approved version has still not been issued. None of the data on which the paper was based was properly ‘archived’ – a mandatory requirement meant to ensure that raw data and the software used to process it is accessible to other scientists, so they can verify NOAA results.

    Dr Bates retired from NOAA at the end of last year after a 40-year career in meteorology and climate science. As recently as 2014, the Obama administration awarded him a special gold medal for his work in setting new, supposedly binding standards ‘to produce and preserve climate data records’.

    Yet when it came to the paper timed to influence the Paris conference, Dr Bates said, these standards were flagrantly ignored.

    The paper was published in June 2015 by the journal Science. Entitled ‘Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus’, the document said the widely reported ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ was a myth.

    Less than two years earlier, a blockbuster report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which drew on the work of hundreds of scientists around the world, had found ‘a much smaller increasing trend over the past 15 years 1998-2012 than over the past 30 to 60 years’. Explaining the pause became a key issue for climate science. It was seized on by global warming sceptics, because the level of CO2 in the atmosphere had continued to rise.

    Some scientists argued that the existence of the pause meant the world’s climate is less sensitive to greenhouse gases than previously thought, so that future warming would be slower. One of them, Professor Judith Curry, then head of climate science at the Georgia Institute of Technology, said it suggested that computer models used to project future warming were ‘running too hot’.

    However, the Pausebuster paper said while the rate of global warming from 1950 to 1999 was 0.113C per decade, the rate from 2000 to 2014 was actually higher, at 0.116C per decade. The IPCC’s claim about the pause, it concluded, ‘was no longer valid’.

    The impact was huge and lasting. On publication day, the BBC said the pause in global warming was ‘an illusion caused by inaccurate data’.

    One American magazine described the paper as a ‘science bomb’ dropped on sceptics.

    Its impact could be seen in this newspaper last month when, writing to launch his Ladybird book about climate change, Prince Charles stated baldly: ‘There isn’t a pause… it is hard to reject the facts on the basis of the evidence.’

    Data changed to make the sea appear warmer
    The sea dataset used by Thomas Karl and his colleagues – known as Extended Reconstructed Sea Surface Temperatures version 4, or ERSSTv4, tripled the warming trend over the sea during the years 2000 to 2014 from just 0.036C per decade – as stated in version 3 – to 0.099C per decade. Individual measurements in some parts of the globe had increased by about 0.1C and this resulted in the dramatic increase of the overall global trend published by the Pausebuster paper. But Dr Bates said this increase in temperatures was achieved by dubious means. Its key error was an upwards ‘adjustment’ of readings from fixed and floating buoys, which are generally reliable, to bring them into line with readings from a much more doubtful source – water taken in by ships. This, Dr Bates explained, has long been known to be questionable: ships are themselves sources of heat, readings will vary from ship to ship, and the depth of water intake will vary according to how heavily a ship is laden – so affecting temperature readings.

    Dr Bates said: ‘They had good data from buoys. And they threw it out and “corrected” it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did – so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer.’

    ERSSTv4 ‘adjusted’ buoy readings up by 0.12C. It also ignored data from satellites that measure the temperature of the lower atmosphere, which are also considered reliable. Dr Bates said he gave the paper’s co-authors ‘a hard time’ about this, ‘and they never really justified what they were doing.’

    Now, some of those same authors have produced the pending, revised new version of the sea dataset – ERSSTv5. A draft of a document that explains the methods used to generate version 5, and which has been seen by this newspaper, indicates the new version will reverse the flaws in version 4, changing the buoy adjustments and including some satellite data and measurements from a special high-tech floating buoy network known as Argo. As a result, it is certain to show reductions in both absolute temperatures and recent global warming.

    The second dataset used by the Pausebuster paper was a new version of NOAA’s land records, known as the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN), an analysis over time of temperature readings from about 4,000 weather stations spread across the globe.

    This new version found past temperatures had been cooler than previously thought, and recent ones higher – so that the warming trend looked steeper. For the period 2000 to 2014, the paper increased the rate of warming on land from 0.15C to 0.164C per decade.

    In the weeks after the Pausebuster paper was published, Dr Bates conducted a one-man investigation into this. His findings were extraordinary. Not only had Mr Karl and his colleagues failed to follow any of the formal procedures required to approve and archive their data, they had used a ‘highly experimental early run’ of a programme that tried to combine two previously separate sets of records.

    This had undergone the critical process known as ‘pairwise homogeneity adjustment’, a method of spotting ‘rogue’ readings from individual weather stations by comparing them with others nearby.

    However, this process requires extensive, careful checking which was only just beginning, so that the data was not ready for operational use. Now, more than two years after the Pausebuster paper was submitted to Science, the new version of GHCN is still undergoing testing.

    Moreover, the GHCN software was afflicted by serious bugs. They caused it to become so ‘unstable’ that every time the raw temperature readings were run through the computer, it gave different results. The new, bug-free version of GHCN has still not been approved and issued. It is, Dr Bates said, ‘significantly different’ from that used by Mr Karl and his co-authors.

    Dr Bates revealed that the failure to archive and make available fully documented data not only violated NOAA rules, but also those set down by Science. Before he retired last year, he continued to raise the issue internally. Then came the final bombshell. Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.’

    The reason for the failure is unknown, but it means the Pausebuster paper can never be replicated or verified by other scientists.

    The flawed conclusions of the Pausebuster paper were widely discussed by delegates at the Paris climate change conference. Mr Karl had a longstanding relationship with President Obama’s chief science adviser, John Holdren, giving him a hotline to the White House.

    Mr Holdren was also a strong advocate of robust measures to curb emissions. Britain’s then Prime Minister David Cameron claimed at the conference that ‘97 per cent of scientists say climate change is urgent and man-made and must be addressed’ and called for ‘a binding legal mechanism’ to ensure the world got no more than 2C warmer than in pre-industrial times.

    President Obama stressed his Clean Power Plan at the conference, which mandates American power stations to make big emissions cuts.

    President Trump has since pledged he will scrap it, and to withdraw from the Paris Agreement.

    Whatever takes its place, said Dr Bates, ‘there needs to be a fundamental change to the way NOAA deals with data so that people can check and validate scientific results. I’m hoping that this will be a wake-up call to the climate science community – a signal that we have to put in place processes to make sure this kind of crap doesn’t happen again.

    ‘I want to address the systemic problems. I don’t care whether modifications to the datasets make temperatures go up or down. But I want the observations to speak for themselves, and for that, there needs to be a new emphasis that ethical standards must be maintained.’

    He said he decided to speak out after seeing reports in papers including the Washington Post and Forbes magazine claiming that scientists feared the Trump administration would fail to maintain and preserve NOAA’s climate records.

    Dr Bates said: ‘How ironic it is that there is now this idea that Trump is going to trash climate data, when key decisions were earlier taken by someone whose responsibility it was to maintain its integrity – and failed.’

    NOAA not only failed, but it effectively mounted a cover-up when challenged over its data. After the paper was published, the US House of Representatives Science Committee launched an inquiry into its Pausebuster claims. NOAA refused to comply with subpoenas demanding internal emails from the committee chairman, the Texas Republican Lamar Smith, and falsely claimed that no one had raised concerns about the paper internally.

    Last night Mr Smith thanked Dr Bates ‘for courageously stepping forward to tell the truth about NOAA’s senior officials playing fast and loose with the data in order to meet a politically predetermined conclusion’. He added: ‘The Karl study used flawed data, was rushed to publication in an effort to support the President’s climate change agenda, and ignored NOAA’s own standards for scientific study.’

    Professor Curry, now the president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network, said last night: ‘Large adjustments to the raw data, and substantial changes in successive dataset versions, imply substantial uncertainties.’

    It was time, she said, that politicians and policymakers took these uncertainties on board.

    Last night Mr Karl admitted the data had not been archived when the paper was published. Asked why he had not waited, he said: ‘John Bates is talking about a formal process that takes a long time.’ He denied he was rushing to get the paper out in time for Paris, saying: ‘There was no discussion about Paris.’

    They played fast and loose with the figures
    He also admitted that the final, approved and ‘operational’ edition of the GHCN land data would be ‘different’ from that used in the paper’.

    As for the ERSSTv4 sea dataset, he claimed it was other records – such as the UK Met Office’s – which were wrong, because they understated global warming and were ‘biased too low’. Jeremy Berg, Science’s editor-in-chief, said: ‘Dr Bates raises some serious concerns. After the results of any appropriate investigations… we will consider our options.’ He said that ‘could include retracting that paper’.NOAA declined to comment.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XpWuBL2h
     
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  17. clarise

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    CO2 warms atmosphere in closed systems. Most scientists agree on that.

    But earth is not a closed system. It is an open system.

    And Global Warming is not science. It is a politically motivated hoax.
     
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  18. RandyKnight

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    Basic thermodynamics proves global warming is a fraud. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas, its a plant food. The heat coefficient of water vapor and CO2 (at the same temperature and pressure) is the same. Meaning, the same amount of light (or heat) passes through, gets absorbed and is reflected.

    Does it get warmer or cooler when a cloud passes overhead? If there was enough CO2 to make a difference, (which there isn't), CO2 would cool the earth.

    GLOBAL WARMING IS A FRAUD!
     
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  19. Rixer

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    I'll never know if its true or not.
     
    1. shootersa
      Why, of course you will.
      We will all know eventually.
      The thing is, when we find out we won't care much anymore.
      Bigger things to explore and discover.

      I'm telling you people; fractals.
       
      shootersa, Feb 5, 2017
    2. Rixer
      Yeah, it's hard to care when you're dead.
       
      Rixer, Feb 5, 2017
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  20. clarise

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    History will show that Global Warming is the most costly fraud ever perpetrated on mankind by the scumbags who lead our nations.
     
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