I'm not going to agree with all of this Old Tool but do admit as a warrior against the lie of conservatism I do get carried away from time to time and certainly staked too much hope on my Lofgren thread.

But no I don't think so this time because as you duly noted I'm not saying this will shut Limbaugh up let alone destroy the right wing false propaganda machine.

However, it is certainly the largest hit I've ever seen Limbaugh take, it has rattled and resulted in condemnation from the mainstream right that used to actively support him and it has hurt Limbaugh financially and has at least negative implications for the rest of the right wing noise machine.

Do you deny that as an accurate assessment Old Tool?

 

Now see if you weren't an hysterical brainwashed parrot you'd know that we are hearing quite a lot about Bill Maher. We know about his own obscene reference to Sarah Palin. We know about his defense of Limbaugh over the slut comment. We know about his million dollar contribution to Obama's Super Pac. And we know the Obama Campaign appears to be trying to distance themselves from Maher which is suspected because David Axelrod cancelled his scheduled appearance on his show.

But of course hysterical brainwashed parrots can't be expected to actually know what they are talking about now can they?

 

OK - I get that you do it, I just don't understand why.

I'd guess that this will end up being a very minor fiscal ding over time - 5 years from now, looking back at his advertising revenue stream, you'll see a short little downward blip, not the start of a downward trend. If he was going to get the Don Imus treatment, his bosses would have pulled that trigger already.

As far as negative implications for the right wing noise machine - that's all there is in your prejudiced view, so what's a little more idiocy on top of a mountain of foolishness? You and Kimiko have a whole thread about it and you don't seem to tire of piling on :laughing:

I think what eludes you is the idea that this Limbaugh thing is going to inspire many of his most ardent followers, not deter them - or get them to re-think their viewpoint. The talking heads in the Republican party that have come out against his comments are not sincere - their political pandering should not convince you that they've had any kind of epiphany. They know a politically expedient move when they see it and they're opportunists of the highest order. Let's be real here, hmmm?

 

His audience does not think he said anything wrong...


His new drift on it was he was just being a comedian....whatever

 

Rush doesn't really have a "boss" does he Old Tool? Isn't it the other way around? The Network is build around him isn't it?

I assure you Kimiko and I don't have any threads together. Although I admit Kimiko has had the misfortune of starting a couple of threads I globbed onto and rail on everyday.

But let's not commit guilt by association here.

Absolutely but you simply insist on ignoring the most important points here. This is not some intellectual debate moving this nation from one political extreme to the other> Its a feeling. Its the preponderance of noise. The taste for the tone. And all of that has been leaning right for 20 years led by Limbaugh. But I no longer believe that is true and count this as a turning point.

And once again I make no apology what so ever about being a partisan. None. You get your ass out there and change the system and I'll be glad Old Tool but until you don't stand on the side lines saying the game should not be played when you won't do anything to change it.

 

But shouldn't this be on President Obama's Accomplishments thread?

After all he is keeping Israel from bombing Iran which is supported by about 70% of Americans.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...vor-diplomacy-over-israeli-attack-on-iran.php

And only uninformed brainwashed parrots didn't know that Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 1970's.

 

thx

 

Not exactly - he's the majority owner of his show - but he's under contract with his syndicator (Premiere Radio Networks - a wholly owned subsidiary of Clear Channel) - I doubt if he has a "do anything you want" contract as any FCC issues would be PRN and ClearChannel's responsibility (along with the local stations doing the broadcasting). It's not quite parallel with Imus, but Limbaugh isn't without accountability.

This is why your position and methodology is no better, no more righteous, no more ethical or constructive than that of your enemy - it's based principally on how you feel, and you don't care that your emoting make little sense at times. You don't see yourself as being at one end of a highly polarized spectrum - you see yourself in the center of all that is good and right and everybody who doesn't agree with you is outside that circle. It's kind of arrogant, really.

Ha! I'll put my record of action about "changing the system" - whether locally, regionally and/or nationally - up against any of the loudest ideologues in here any day. Your emoting has provoked you to issue a challenge, despite your total ignorance about my record of participation . . . are you feeling insecure about your own level of activity?

My point was that the two of you have contributed well over 50% of the posts in this thread, shown below - and everything the Repubs do is wrong, bad, evil, a lie, etc., etc. You can't think of a single constructive or useful thing about your ideological enemies in nearly 700 posts? Really?

 

Yeah funny you should mention Imus. Where is he today? When's the last time you saw Glenn Beck? I only bring those up to show you two things. They worked for someone while Limbaugh built an empire and the rest of the right wing false propaganda machine evolved around that.

So again I return to my real point. This might not shut Limbaugh and the right wing false propaganda machine up but it has hit them harder than anything else I can think of.

Also Limbaugh surely can't be bound to Premiere Radio Networks - a wholly owned subsidiary of Clear Channel this is the age of multi media and he can go the same way ............ what's his name did ........... oh yeah Beck.

No one shut him up either did they? When's the last time you saw or heard of him?

Who it the fuck ever said it was Old Tool?? What part of warrior (as in partisan) don't you fucking understand?

No I'm calling a bullshit on you on this one for sures. How I feel? Passionate. You damn right. But don't give me any bullshit about not caring. I've admitted my mistakes often enough. I've retracted. And I've striven to be both academically and intellecftually honest.

Now if you contend other wise let's hear that because I rebuke the charge I don't care.

Oh for fucking Christ's sake Old Tool bullshit buddy and look in the fucking mirror.

I've announced my plans when I came on this forum. I've never claimed to be anything else except rabid dog liberal with a chip on my shoulder. I've declared war on the lie of conservatism so I have certainly never seen let alone claimed I'm in the center.

Its simply a battle of minds and attrition. Its the right wing noise machine against the left wing noise machine (which I clearly stated was one of my projects; proving the left wing noise machine is better) and you come up with this bullshit.

Not at all I'm proud of it. And what ever your efforts to elevate humans to higher thinking I suggest you try it where men are men and sheep are nervous before you try to claim some form of superiority or record participation.

And Old Tool once again. I'm not the one who turned our society into 30 second sound bites. I'm not the one who created a less than a two week memory of current events. I'm not the one who created emotional manipulation of the electorate. That's been with us since the Declaration of Independence.

At this point I;m just one of the soldiers in the political trenches and you're the one on the sidelines just running your mouth about what I'm doing wrong when ............ let me ask you something ........ there is going to be an election in November isn't there?

I thought I should check with you to make sure. Because if there is whether this country swings left or right hangs in the balance.

That's the reality no matter how stupid you think it is.

Bullshit again Old Tool. That's me. That's me taking the time to mine the left wing noise machine and rub there faces in their own hypocrisy every day. That's what I fucking do. Just because Kimiko is just about the only other partisan liberal in no way demonstrates that my war is her's.

And Old Tool bullshit on your absolutely false claim I can't see the constructive side. First because I've got lots of posts praising conservatives the likes of Alan K Simpson, George Will, William F Buckley. I can see both sides I just don't see it often.

But double bullshit because I often beat the brainwashed parrots to putting up the bad news and fuck ups on my side.

And you're certainly not one of them but you are bullshitting yourself here by a bunch.

 

Old Tool let me ask you something. Isn't it the rhetorical and political wars that usually lead to the real wars? Just wondering if you can school me on that one as well?

 

Not by a long shot - without being too paranoid, I believe that most modern wars are the goal . . . the rhetoric follows like so much bad clam sauce. The underlying reasons are economic, not political, and the noise from both dogmatic ends typically masks the behaviors of the profiteers. You'll have fun wrapping your tin-foil hat around that one

 

And when you tell people that they are willing to go to war and die for you? When you tell them its economic Or do they fight and die because its dogmatic. Its nationalistic. Its emotional.

I don't have any problem at all wrapping my head around that its not actually "economic" Old Tool but if you want to call greed economic I guess that's OK with me.

But I think you're only bullshitting yourself to try and contend that what ever the economic and greedy interests that might be behind it its the politics and the rhetoric that moves people to war and die.

 

Uhhhhm maybe I did not understand the point you were trying to highlight with this question:

I took that to mean that rhetorical and political wars are the forces that cause actual war. But, after reading this:

it sounds like you're suggesting that rhetoric and political speech are used to justify participation in a war and contending that modern warfare has not been based on matters economic (I'm also not sure why you would parse a word like "greed" out of an economic discussion, because we were not talking about gluttony towards food, or being an attention whore - we were talking about war and its causes . . . or am I mistaken?)

 

Rush Limbaugh Ratings Drop In Several Big Markets

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/21/rush-limbaugh-ratings-drop_n_1532807.html
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Rush Limbaugh should be fired, 53 percent say in new poll

By TIM MAK | 3/14/12 6:38 AM EDT

A majority of Americans — 53 percent — say conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh should be fired for calling a Georgetown Law School a “slut,” according to a wide-ranging new survey on contraception.

Almost one-third of Republicans — 30 percent — agree with the notion that Limbaugh should be canned for his remarks, the Bloomberg poll showed Wednesday.

Men are split over whether Limbaugh should be axed — 49 percent say yes, while 47 percent disagree. Fifty-six percent of women support firing him, compared with 39 percent who do not.
Meanwhile, more than three-quarters of Americans believe that the issue of birth control shouldn’t even be a topic of debate right now.

Indeed, 77 percent said that the national political debate shouldn’t involve contraception, while 20 percent said it should.

Americans also view the controversy over the Obama administration’s rule that employers must provide birth control coverage in employee health care plans as an issue of women’s health rather than religious freedom.

In fact, 62 percent of respondents said that the issue is one of women’s health access rather than religious freedom, the opposite of what Republican presidential candidates have argued.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73993.html#ixzz1vWUramYL

 

A Bloomberg poll? LMAO!!!!! I'm sure they had a large contingent of conservative voters in this poll.

 

Bloomberg is a business website and organization. I doubt they would have the incentive to exaggerate opposition to Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.bloomberg.com/

 

If that was the case, they wouldn't be wasting their time with something like this....

 

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

It is the case. Apparently Bloomberg has the integrity to post polls and news items that are displeasing to some of their regulars.

The following article from The Wall Street Journal reports that from the administrations of Lyndon Johnson to that of George W. Bush there was always more job creation under Democratic presidents.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/