March for Science: Rallies worldwide to protest against political interference http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-39679629

Outside of climate change and the few people who don't believe in evolution how is science even seriously questioned? It's almost a religion in its own right .

I was trained in chemistry and have worked in this industry for years and I cannot think of a single chemical principle that ha ever seriously been questioned in that time.

I'm really not trying to be provocative here it's just that I don't see it.

 

Because the politicians and others who question science are the same ones who did poorly in science subjects in school. Or if they believed they might have to change their business practices to something less profitable. This holds true in poorer countries. Those in charge just want what the richer countries have. Science and greed have been on a long slide into colliding. We are nearing that point.

 

Science stopped being objective a long time ago .

It's been bought out by the left and the right depending on which ever direction the political breeze was blowing.

Lately I think it's the liberals Who hold the receipts .

 

Can you name one thing that has not been politically corrupted?...I damn sure cant.

 

Your observation is so cynical

But also so true

I am afraid that I am becoming Lord of the cynics

 

Anti-vaxxers seem like a pretty big one.

Anti-GMO is another one.

GMO's I sort of get. Like I'd be concerned with them escaping into the environment and causing changes in unexpected ways, sort of like how killer bees (sometimes called "Africanized bees") were made by breeding the Western honeybee with native African bees and European honeybees. These new bees made lots of honey, like European bees, and worked very fast like African bees. But they were also, super crazy aggressive. The original idea was that the gentleness and honey production of the European bee, and the fast work of the African bee would be inherited. Instead we got psychotically aggressive bees that will follow you for miles and can kill a horse.

So GMO's can in fact be dangerous, but not in ways some people might think. Eating some corn that's been spliced with bacteria that makes it more resistant to pests by allowing it to produce a pesticide, thus reducing the need to be sprayed, probably isn't going to turn you into a plant monster or a zombie. But then you've also got situations like a GM bacteria that makes plants more resistant to frost damage escaping into the environment and making weeds also resistant to frost. Now you've got weeds that are can survive winter and now you have to use weed killer on them, and the weed killer's gonna get on your crops. But dammit, the weed killer is too strong so now your crops are dying, so you have to create a GM plant that is resistant to frost AND weed killer, and still make sure that neither of those genes or resistances escape into the environment. And all you wanted to do originally was find a way to protect your strawberries from old man winter.

That's the kind of stuff I'm concerned about when it comes to GMO foods. I'm ok with eating them. I'm fine with them being used. But you better make sure you don't end up fucking up the environment.

 

I have to give you some props when it comes to vaccinations.

It's a tricky area for me because parents should have rights to protect their children as they see fit but it appears that there have to be a significant number of people vaccinated to protect the general public.

I was raised to believe that I should expose myself as much as possible to other children and even rusty nails because that is natural vaccination .

Supposedly polio tended to affect richer people because they overly protected their children so I guess there is some evidence for the veracity of that argument but that may only apply to polio .

It's a very complicated situation but thank you for reminding me .

We haven't had a horrible flu pandemic in 100 years so now we're overdue . I have some mixed opinions about how effective vaccination will be for a pandemic that has already begun .

 

Cynical or not, I'd sure like to see someone give an answer to my question.

I wont get an answer, everything is and has political motivations.

I find that is it more so on the left side of this Nations political spectrum, and that is NOT a biased speculation or observation.

The left controls the media, the left controls the activist judicial system, they control the classrooms, the control unions, science, all of it.

 

I'm uh, I'm not sure using rusty nails is an effective method to administer a vaccination. Seems like a good way to end up paralyzed with tetanus though. And then dead.

 

I was trained as a scientist and I know I'm going to be attacked for this because I am not at all convinced of the truth of climate change .

Bothers me about it is that it is presented as unassailable Scientific truth when I don't see that as the case at all.

Yes I believe that climate change is a product of the left and the university system knows which side the bread is buttered on.

Evolution seems to fit in the puzzle of the development of life which doesn't mean that it's true but it means that it makes sense because it fits .

But it's hard enough to predict the weather for the next month or so so it seems arrogant to assume that we can know how weather actually works on a grand scale .

I believe that at 700 million years ago The entire earth was covered in miles of ice . No one doubts that another Ice Age will be coming but we don't know when .

Weather changes

 

It only hurts for a little bit.

 

Stepping on rusty nails is clearly child endangerment. I was just saying that I came from one of those families that was suspicious of the fear of any kind of germs

 

That is the only issue that is truly sound.....the climate does change, minute by minute.

 

I have a hard time understanding the fuss about vaccinations. If you want to get your kid vaccinated go ahead. If you choose not to get your kid vaccinated that is your right.
Those who choose to have their kids vaccinated should not complain as the shots should protect your kids. Those who choose to pass on the shots are willing to take that chance.

Climate change is a money making scheme. We have been shown how scientist have cooked the book on their studies. Is the world changing? Hell yes. It always has been abd is not going to stop changing just because some people want it to.

 

And as a scientist, one would think you knew the difference between weather and climate...

 

If it just affected the children not vaccinated I would agree with you entirely.
My problem is that there are many who believe that there is a critical percentage of children who are vaccinated or need to be vaccinated to actually protect the general public . Now that being said it's entirely possible that this is another example of the science books being cooked . I honestly don't know and that's what's bad about science right now. Some would say science is settled on so many issues like I Q and race and all those other things that we've talked about so much . Just like the weather it will always change and it always will. just like the weather it will always change and it always world

We completely agree on climate change It appears. And what really irks me about the climate change debate is the China is a bigger emitter than the United States and has no real plans to lower its emissions. So why put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage for no real benefit ?

 

Give me a break!

Weather is short term and climate is a long-term and it is a simple as that and that is not rocket science .

Pointed out that 700 million years ago the earth was a huge snowball .

When dinosaurs roamed the earth probably the entire earth was warm.

Climate changes and weather changes .

Very little of it has to do with what humans do.

I think thar climate change is an arrogance that we have permitted ourselves.

Makes us feel like we are in control of something.

But mostly from a political standpoint it just gives the larger emitters like China a huge competitive advantage .

 

China just bought a shit load of coal from the U.S., not a glimmering sign of slowing down.

 

Jesse Ventura had a show called conspiracy theory in which he said that all of this climate change debate came about from some guy named Maurice strong who has an agenda to bring down the west by giving underdeveloped nations like china a distinct competitive advantage.

Don't Believe in conspiracy theories at all but this is one of the more interesting ones if nothing else it's a good story .

 

One thing we do know for damn sure. Most countries do not give a damn about global warming.