1. NicoleDeLint

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    I can just feel people getting really worked up and summoning all of their righteous indignation but honestly why is racism so bad?

    I could understand it if someone is burning crosses on someone's lawn or selecting people out for a violence based on race .

    But right now minorities have affirmative action and plenty of other protections against employment discrimination and should anyone actually commit a hate crime that is violent they can sue under existing laws or claim civil rights violations should the courts rule against them.

    I personally have lost jobs to minorities because of their special status within companies .

    What it comes down to is that it offends us that people think this way . They shouldn't be allowed to think this way .

    Therefore racism is simply thought crime .

    And that should worry any world that claims it is open to free speech.
     
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      400 years of black oppression, i think there is more this than just a thought
       
      Femtastic305, Apr 14, 2017
  2. Sage_of_the_Forlorn_Path

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    You're defending racism. I don't even need to make a counter argument.
     
  3. Distant Lover

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    Before I discuss "racism" I would like for the term to be clearly defined. Once it is defined I will criticize or defend it, or more specifically I will criticize or defend what is defined.

    Is a "racist" one who believes that every white person in the world is superior to every non white person? Even so, how do we define "superior?"

    Is a "racist" one who believes that the races differ significantly in performance on mental aptitude test scores, and in the class room, as well as in rates of crime and illegitimacy?

    If the answer to the third question is "Yes" is a "racist" one who believes that racial differences in average performance and behavior are primarily caused genetically"

    These are not rhetorical questions. They need specific answers before a discussion of the morality of "racism" is to begin. The term "racism" has been used carelessly to mean "Comments about race I do not like." Assertions deemed "racist" are considered too immoral to merit discussion, only condemnation.

    If we agree that the races do differ significantly in average ability levels (or at least performance) and behavior, the answer to the question,"Why do the differences exist?" has legitimate policy implications.

    If we agree that blacks do tend to be less intelligent than whites, and that they are more likely to commit crimes and have illegitimate questions, the answer to the question, "Why is this true?" is important.

    If it is true because of racial discrimination, we need to strengthen government policies that began with Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, and which have been strengthened ever since.

    If it is true because of innate differences, the arguments presented against the civil rights movement are valid.

    I have one more question: Has the civil rights legislation improved black intellectual performance and reduced black social pathology?

    My questions are not rhetorical questions. They are leading questions that imply certain answers. Those favoring answers not implied should present calm, fact based, and rational answers.
     
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  4. Distant Lover

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    Oh, but you do.

    I suspect that you cannot make a counter argument.
     
    1. Sage_of_the_Forlorn_Path
      No, I really don't. When you try to apply a positive to something that can't have one, you're pretty much digging your own grave.
       
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    2. Distant Lover
      Why is it wrong to evaluate a race on the basis of average characteristics of that race?
       
      Distant Lover, Apr 13, 2017
    3. Sage_of_the_Forlorn_Path
      Because race relations are made of layer upon layer of social, psychological, and cultural variables, shaped by history. Events from over a hundred years ago still affect our country and race relations today. To draw scientific conclusions from less than sterile conditions is not only ignorant but dangerous. Picture a social experiment, in which a hundred people of each race were gathered together and put on an island, all of them speaking the same language. However, everyone has had their memory wiped, so while functions like talking and critical thinking remain intact, all preconceived social and historical beliefs are lost. Culture and nationality have been completely erased. A lifetime of acquired knowledge on races is wiped clean. Not only that, but you put them on the island, not in groups of each race, but scattered randomly.
       
    4. Sage_of_the_Forlorn_Path
      In a situation where all prejudice, discrimination, and racism could only be created after the start of the experiment and not brought into the experiment, you could get a truly unbiased look at how the races not only act amongst each other, but within their own groups. Would the whites immediately try to enslave the blacks? Would the blacks resort to crime? And what of the Asians? Every decision and action would be made based on physiological instinct, not preconceived notions or beliefs. An island like that would be the only truly sterile lab environment for information on racial and interracial behavior to be collected.
       
  5. savieon luste

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    Juding the intellectual prowlness of one race by another can not be used to represent a race as a whole due to the fact we are all individuals. The same fact can be derived of Caucasians, the barbarack history of them leaves anyone to wonder.
    Every race has a dark past but in our society today its about what is portrayed by the media. Its about the shock value of the news that's reported, when a black person has found a cure or done something to uplift himself as well as his race that isn't reported but yet let a black person do something wrong and the whole race is given credit to his plight. But when you hear about how a young caucasian shoots up a school its just a sad moment for that one caucasian and not the whole race. Does that make caucasian less intelligent in that aspect? Should the actions of one individual in a specific race effect there entire race? That is the question I pose as a rebuttal to your questions, so to put this to a close on my end I will say this," We are all human beings that are responsible for each other, if anyone is to be blamed then blame society. We are all responsible for creating and maintaining our society so that progress can happen for all, that task can only be fixed or achieved is if we all play our part and be our brothers keeper ."
     
  6. msman

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    We do not look at race by looking at one individual of a race. We take an average of all members of a race.
    Then it is simple to match percentages. Take the average percentage IQ of one race and the average percentage IQ of another race. Are they equal?
    Same goes for criminal tendencies. Anything you care to measure about one race you can compare with other races.

    Many people do not like to compare one race to another race. Why the hell not.
    All races want to be equal. Isn't it about time they started acting equal?
     
    1. shootersa
      But you have to first define what "races" you are going to compare, and then you need to make sure you only include in each group members of that race.
      No study to date has done that. Crime stats, IQ test results, economic and education stats all use different methods of classifying "race" and none can be cross compared.
      The old adage, garbage in, garbage out, applies.
       
      shootersa, Apr 12, 2017
    2. msman
      Yes there have been studies done that does exactly what you asked about.
      Not a lot of them get published as there are so many lawsuits filed that they are not usually ever published.
      I will let you guess what organization files the majority of the lawsuits.
      Most of those studies you talk about that use different methods of classifying race are government financed studies.
      Can you guess what happens to anyone who has a grant and even mentions there might be doing a study about race that does not go by the rules or may have come up with different results.
       
      msman, Apr 12, 2017
    3. shootersa
      Nonsense.
      If you want to classify by race you cannot do it by observation. You have to have a DNA test.

      See, the people arguing that some races are inherently inferior argue that it's in the genes.
      Fine.
      Show me a single valid study that starts with a DNA test, breaks the test group into groups based on the DNA test, and then can compare to crime stats, intelligence, economic status and so forth.
      You can't.
      Because they haven't been done.

      What has been done is to take, say, crime stats, and point out that blacks are far more likely to commit violent crime. The problem is that arresting officers, booking officers, and the legal system identify those arrested by race and they do that by physical appearance. It is not scientific. But, "experts" like Herrnstein and Murray take those "facts", combine them with similarly flawed "facts" and conclude that "Niggers is violent and stupid".
      Waste of time.
      Might as well just have the KKK shout it out on the streets.
       
      shootersa, Apr 12, 2017
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    4. msman
      Why make something hard out of something so easy?
      If you want to find excuses for a real difference in races it can be found. If you want to keep people from seeing that proof it is easy to do.
      If you already have your mind made up or are told to come up with a pre picked answer why even do the study?
      People who want to agree with a study will agree with it. People who do not want to agree with a study will make excuses.
      It really is simple.
       
      msman, Apr 12, 2017
  7. savieon luste

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    Then there would need to be an overall rating system, then adding in the atrocities of each to there own. After doing so you would see who are the ones who have uplifted and those who condemn their race. But then you say equal, what is equal about this world? It is setup against so many yet the ones who have it in there favor choose to allow atrocities to continue, so where is that equal? This debate can go on and on cause even after getting to the truth most will continue on the same path not wanting to change.
     
  8. msman

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    There would not need to be anything except taking the number of people in a race, adding all of their scores together then dividing by the number in the race.
    See how simple it is? That is how you get an average.
     
  9. shootersa

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    There is not a single example of a society that flourished over the long term when it's conventions were based on race.

    Did we not learn the inherent evil of racism from the Germans in WWII?

    The inherent evil of racism from our own history?

    Judging one by the color of their skin, the slant of their eyes, the width of their nose is illogical.

    Like any disease, it needs to be eradicated before it kills the body and the soul.
     
    1. msman
      I can agree with that. There is also not a single example of a society that flourished over the long term when they give preference to any race just because of their skin color. We should level the playing field.
       
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  10. NicoleDeLint

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    To see the whites have had the most barbaric history is not to understand history.

    Caucasians had the world wars but people then forget about the Mongol wars and the Chinese wars not to mention the Congo wars

    All races Have had their turn to be barbaric
     
  11. tommyturtle

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    Martin Luther King Jr.'s idea of judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin is a concept that seems to have been forgotten by the people that it was supposed to help.
     
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    1. msman
      I saw him in person at one of his speaches. Even the black people left before he finished.
       
      msman, Apr 11, 2017
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      That was probably because he was a Republican.
       
      tommyturtle, Apr 11, 2017
    3. msman
      I didn't ask them. Back then I felt much like I do today, I can't tell the difference in a republican and a democrat.
       
      msman, Apr 11, 2017
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    Don't forget the strife that has continued in the Middle East since the beginning of time.
     
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    Believing one race is superior to another is wrong, but people will call you racist when they can't win a debate.
     
  15. Distant Lover

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    Judging by average intelligence, and rates of crime and illegitimacy is logical. "Racist" attitudes toward blacks will exist as long as blacks reinforce those attitudes with their performance and behavior.
     
    1. shootersa
      The "facts" you use to judge average intelligence, rates of crime and illegitimacy are flawed.
      But we have gone over this before.

      The bottom line is that attitudes towards "blacks" is racist, and reinforced by bogus statistics, so it becomes an endless loop of racism reinforcing attitudes towards a particular group based on skin color.
      But you already know all this.

      You really need to get out more.
       
      shootersa, Apr 12, 2017
    2. Distant Lover
      The "facts" you use to judge average intelligence, rates of crime and illegitimacy are flawed.
      But we have gone over this before.

      - shootersa

      How are my facts "flawed?" :confused:
       
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  16. NicoleDeLint

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    I think that it's not a question of superiority it's more a question of accepting the fact that there are differences Beyond the physical differences . People get worked up even suggesting that and there are some quarters where you can get in serious trouble for even saying it . University system for example which is supposed to be the harbinger of free speech
     
    1. shootersa
      Could you provide some "facts" to support your belief that there are differences between "races"?
      You know, something scientific?
       
      shootersa, Apr 12, 2017
  17. NicoleDeLint

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    The ancient Greeks believed in keeping themselves racially pure and that's probably why there never was a Greek empire.

    What Society in your mind has flourished

    Now not only do we say that racism is incorrect or even wrong but we have to give it the title of evil.

    During the cultural revolution Mao killed 40 million of his own countrymen and that was not a racially motivated political event . How come that's not considered evil . Stalin killed millions more but we don't call that evil . And don't get me started on Japan . Isis kills people in a particulaly grizzly way and that's not racially motivated but for some reason that's not considered evil either . I think it's just easier to keep harping on political events from 80 years ago because there is no more Nazi party with a powerful army that we have to confront .
     
    1. shootersa
      Can you point to any society that flourished because it discriminated based on race?
      Just one?
       
      shootersa, Apr 12, 2017
  18. NicoleDeLint

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    How do you propose to eradicate racism ?
    By legislation that punishes people for speaking their mind or do you just have in mind removing people with troublesome ideas ?
     
    1. shootersa
      Did Shooter ever suggest such silliness?
      No.
      Eradicating racism has to start with recognizing that the "facts" people toss around to justify their prejudice are flawed, cherry picked, and created by racists to justify their position.
      It also helps if people from the beginning are taught to judge others on their character, not their skin.
      It isn't hard. It just takes time.
       
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    Eradicating racism has to start with recognizing that the "facts" people toss around to justify their prejudice are flawed, cherry picked, and created by racists to justify their position.

    - shootersa

    According to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime there is a clear correlation between the racial composition of a country and the murder rate in that country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    This is what the United States Department of Justice has to say when comparing the white and black murder rates in the United States:

    "Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)."
    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    This is what the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics has to say about racial differences in average SAT scores from 1986 - 87 to 2012-13.

    https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=171

    Please note that No Child Left Behind had virtually no effect on black scores.

    So, tell me shootersa, how are these statistics "flawed, cherry picked, and created by racists?"
     
    1. shootersa
      Show me a single valid study that starts with a DNA test, breaks the test group into groups based on the DNA test, and then can compare to crime stats, intelligence, economic status and so forth.
      You can't.
      Because they haven't been done.

      What has been done is to take, say, crime stats, and point out that blacks are far more likely to commit violent crime. The problem is that arresting officers, booking officers, and the legal system identify those arrested by race and they do that by physical appearance. It is not scientific. But, "experts" like Herrnstein and Murray take those "facts", combine them with similarly flawed "facts" and conclude that "Niggers is violent and stupid".
      Waste of time.
      Might as well just have the KKK shout it out on the streets.

      Comparisons of crime between countries is a comparison of crime between countries, not of races.

      But, I'll make it easier for you.
      Can you point to any society that flourished because it discriminated based on race?
      Just one?
       
      shootersa, Apr 13, 2017
  20. Distant Lover

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    White racism will cease as soon as most blacks perform and behave as well as most whites. Until then whites who have had much experience with blacks will continue to view the Negro race with mixtures of hostility and pity, but not admiration.

    The progress of Negroes since the civil rights legislation was signed in the United States, since sub Saharan countries became independent, and since the end of the white majority regime in Rhodesia, and apartheid in South Africa does not generate reasons for optimism about the future progress of the Negro race.

    To the contrary, the lack of Negro progress - if not movements in the wrong direction - substantiate arguments presented against civil rights legislation and African independence, and in favor of apartheid.
     
    1. shootersa
      You keep spewing the same flawed bullshit. It would be much easier for you, and as meaningful for us, if you'd just post

      "NIGGERS IS VIOLENT AND STUPID"
       
      shootersa, Apr 13, 2017
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