Hey general, how much of this story is, in your opinion, accurate, complete and objective?

And, when you read about Bryan's story, in particular what has happened with his case since he was put under the care of Catholic charities, how much of it triggers your bullshit radar?

You know, based on your personal experience with the foster care system?

 

Neither shooter nor any of the other Trump supporters will have the guts to google this headline
WATCH: Migrant child separated from family wails and refuses to look at mother in heartbreaking video chat and actually watch it. And I would gladly post it in their faces if it wasn't images of a child.

 

You're going to ignore shooters questions aren't you?

 

OI! GENERAL!
Shooter knows you've been really busy, but hopes you will take a moment and answer a couple of questions;
1) What's the first thing a child protection agency does when they take charge of a new foster child?
2) Why is the story you posted (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ts-families-separated-immigration/2132426002/)
simply not credible, based on mandated requirements of any child welfare agency regarding new foster children placed in their care?
3) Based on your own experience with the foster care system, why is it simply not credible that this child ......... any child ............ in foster care be "lost"?

 

The Trump administration is admitting that they have no idea how many children they took from their parents, who they are, or where they are. And they don't think it's worth the trouble to figure it out.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/trump-administration-claims-reuniting-immigrant-families-burden/

 

Oh, we care.
Its just that the resident poster child for foster kids keeps posting fucking lies.
You know cause......trump.

 

Yea I should be clearer . I don't care what Import or raw says .

 

Illiterate Trumpboy is ignored.

 

And I actually thought this is the most telling, sickening and cruel things I have ever read.

HHS has also said that they simply do not know how many children have been separated from their parents — and that because no one implemented any form of record keeping on these separations, it would be an undue “burden” to do so.

 

That they admit this, and that it was an ongoing policy even before they announced their "zero tolerance" initiative, in addition to not bothering to keep records of what they were doing or who they did it to is what I find to be the most reprehensible aspect of this whole disturbing affair.

Even the Nazis kept records of the people they imprisoned. These children are being disappeared.

 

So, since the general is declining maybe you're brave enough to step up and explain a few things:
What's the first thing a state does when it takes charge of a child?
And after they do that, what happens?

You can answer those questions can't you?

 

Trumpboy with dementia is ignored.

 

Two weeks ago, a federal judge praised the Trump administration for its efforts in meeting a court-ordered deadline to reunite the majority of 2,500 children who had been separated from their parents by border agents after they crossed into the United States illegally. But as lawyers with the government and those representing the immigrants sort out what happened to the families of roughly 500 children who remain separated.

Because it is ILLEGAL to incarcerate minors with their parents when the families come to the U.S. and are caught and deemed to have entered this country illegally.....another long standing policy

And in other informative news, what we have here, is the detainees have 3 options;

1) I wish to be deported with my child

2) I wish for my child to stay in the U.S. for his or her own asylum case if I am deported

3) I want to talk to a lawyer

This also is a long standing policy.

When the Trump administration separated families at the US-Mexico border , the children were reclassified as “unaccompanied alien children” as if they had arrived in the US without guardians.

That reclassification gave them more options for seeking legal status and a better chance of being allowed to remain in the US.

Parents of as many as 1,000 children have already lost their asylum cases permanently, with the government claiming they have already exhausted their options for legal review. But their children’s cases are still alive.

 

As many experts pointed out if you get arrested and all you have is a comb in your pocket, that comb is logged in, put in a locker with your name on it, and returned when you leave jail. And the Trump administration didn't even do that with children, including toddlers and infants that were too young to talk. And then shipped them out not even knowing who they are or where they were going.

My God you are right the Nazis did better than that.

And since you won't see it shootersa continues to try and lie, deflect, and derail with bullshit about what states do when kids enter the Foster Care system ignoring of course none of this followed normal procedures and it has nothing to do with states. Its Trump's administration and the federal fucking government.

 

Well, lets put fucking lie to the two "experts" on child welfare laws in this country.
General, imported, sit your asses down and pay attention. Shooter is about to give you a lesson in child welfare laws.
Safe space on the left.

First, since 1980 every Federal, State, and private licensed facility that deals with children taken out of the care of their parent(s) follows multiple Federal and state laws about what they must, may, and should do with every child in their care.
Get that? EVERY CHILD. Even children abandoned in those states that provide a process for abandonment of newborns.
Even ILLEGAL immigrant children.

So a simple outline (you know, cause you two are idiots)
1) The agency must make every attempt to identify, locate, and contact the parents AND EXTENDED FAMILY of the child.
2) They must develop a plan to identify and where possible, correct the issues that led to the abandonment or removal from the home of the child.
3) They must develop a plan, most often a simultaneous plan, of reunification and/or permanent placement of the child.
4) Within a very short timeline of from 24 hours to 7 days (varies by jurisdiction) they must notify the children/family court of the identify of the child, a preliminary background report, and a preliminary plan for that child.
5) The court must then assign a team of a case worker, social worker, Guardian ad Litem (attorney representing the interests of the child) and other appropriate personnel.

Now, you two, this is important to understand and comprehend, so pay close attention.

It is the policy of every federal, state, and private licensed child care facility to first make every reasonable attempt to reunify the child with the parents, or relatives, or family friends, or if all else fails, to find a safe permanent home for the child. This is Federal law, and every state and licensed child care facility must comply with it.
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Now, the court is obligated to review and manage each case, by review of the case with the parties AT LEAST every 90 days. The purpose is to meet the policy of the Federal and State governments in protecting the child, reunification of the child with their family or if that is not possible, a permanent home for the child.

Now, not that Shooter expects either of you to bother, but here is one link to start you on your path of trying to refute Shooter's post.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/federal/
You can also check your own state laws for whateer variation there is, or you can use the links provided for in the childwelfare.gov site, cause state laws are linked there.

 

Trolling Trumpboy is ignored.

 

He's just trying to tell the same lies over and over again even after I have posted the proof they are just lies more than once on this very thread.

 

Now, lets take a look at the generals extensive copy and paste of a USA today story that caused him to be so infuriated with immigrants separated from their families;

The Trump administration has quietly resumed separating immigrant families at the border, in some cases using vague or unsubstantiated allegations of wrongdoing or minor violations against the parents, including charges of illegally re-entering the country, as justification.

Over the last three months, lawyers at Catholic Charities, which provides legal services to immigrant children in government custody in New York, have discovered at least 16 new separation cases. They say they have come across such instances by chance and via their own sleuthing after children were put into temporary foster care and shelters with little or no indication that they arrived at the border with their parents.
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Kay. First of all, lets assume that the Trump administration has some covert plan to continue separating children from families at the border, you know, by alleging flimsy excuses like, you know, illegal reentry to the country. Oh wait. Illegal reentry to the country is a FELONY.
No matter, lets assume that they are grabbing these kids and spiriting them across the country. We don't know why they would do that, but lets go with it anyway. It stuns the imagination to think that ICE officials would slide up to some state child welfare agency and push a kid or two out onto the street, then zoom off. You can bet your last vote for Obama that the state child welfare agency is going to want some paperwork, they're going to want to know the history of the child, and why they are being left with the state agency. So, the statement that these children are being dropped with little or no indication that they arrived in the country with their parents is plain bullshit.
Oh, and by the way, no child in Federal care, or for that matter, state care, is going to be turned over to a private licensed facility with no background information or, for that matter, without the knowledge of the court.

And by the way, Catholic Charities is NOT a licensed child care agency. They are foster parent advocates.

ProPublica stumbled upon one more case late last month after receiving a call from a distraught Salvadoran father who had been detained in South Texas, and whose 4-year-old son, Brayan, had literally been yanked from his grasp by a Customs and Border Protection agent after they crossed the border and asked for asylum. Julio, the father, asked to be identified only by his first name because he was fleeing gang violence and worried about the safety of relatives back home.

ProPublica tracked down Brayan, who has reddish-blond hair and an endearing lisp, at a temporary foster care agency in New York City, and reached out to the lawyer who represents him. Until that phone call, the lawyer, Jodi Ziesemer, a supervising attorney at Catholic Charities, had no idea that Brayan had been separated from his father. The chaos, she said, felt disturbingly like zero tolerance all over again.
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Now, lets assume the above at least has a passing acquaintance with the truth. The State of New York is the legal guardian of Brayan, NOT Catholic Charities, and even assuming Catholic Charities does have an interest in this case, they would have been provided with everything the state had on Brayan from the very beginning. It's called "discovery". And even IF Catholic Charities had been given some kind of role in Brayans case (remember, Catholic Charities is NOT a licensed child care agency) the state still has a Guardian ad Litem assigned to Brayan, and has ultimate responsibility for finding his parents, his extended family and develop a plan for reunification. ICE knows who the father is. Presumably, ICE transported Brayan to the State of New York. ICE would have given their records to the state of New York, or the state would have been obligated to get those records from ICE, if necessary, through the court.
The State of New York would have known if short order who Brayan's parents are, his extended family, and would have been well on the way to reunification of Brayan with his family.

......Sabraw, however, exempted cases in which the safety of the child was at risk, and crucially, imposed no standards or oversight over those decisions. As a result, attorneys say, immigration officials — taking their cues from an administration that has made it clear it still believes family separations are an effective deterrent — are using whatever justification they can find, with or without substantiation, to deem immigrant parents unfit or unsafe.
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Now, here's the problem with this. Lets assume the "administration" is trying to claim Brayan's parents pose a risk to his safety. In that case, before Brayan's parents can have their parental rights terminated, the court MUST provide a legal hearing to review the facts, and the court ONLY can terminate those rights. You can take this to the bank; NO COURT, NO JUDGE, IS GOING TO TERMINATE PARENTAL RIGHTS WITHOUT AN EXTENSIVE AND LENGTHY ATTEMPT TO LOCATE THE PARENTS AND GIVE THEM ACCESS TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION BEFORE THEIR RIGHTS AS PARENTS ARE TERMINATED.

CBP officials explained that Brayan was such a case. One official said that the agency had conducted a routine background check on Julio, and that it “confirmed his gang affiliation with MS-13.” Spokeswoman Corry Schiermeyer declined to provide the evidence the agency had to support the allegation, saying only that it was “law enforcement sensitive.” Nor would she say why CBP believed Julio was a danger to his child. But Sabraw’s order, she said, “did not prevent these separations, in fact it explicitly allows DHS to continue with this prior practice.”
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Now, the import of the information above is that it proves, CBP, ICE, and therefore for goddam sure, the State of New York, knew the identity of Brayan's father, his national origin, and one hell of a lot more than just Brayan's name. Which means, Julio (Brayans dad) would have been notified by the state of New York where his child was, that he had the right to legal representation, and that he had a right to object to termination of parental rights.

(On Tuesday, a government lawyer repeated the allegation to an immigration judge in South Texas but said he could not provide documentation to the court because it was “confidential,” according to Evangelista. She said the immigration judge did not press for release of the evidence but freed her client on an $8,000 bond. Evangelista was frustrated by the outcome, saying, “How can we fight these charges when we don’t know what they are.”)
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Now, lets be clear here. Evangelista is Julio's lawyer. Under the rules of discovery, she has the right to every material fact presented by the government in the case. Either Evangelista is lying (we can guess at her agenda) or she is one of the worst attorneys ever given a license to practice law. Anywhere.

“I’m furious about this. They aren’t playing by the rules,” Evangelista said, referring to U.S. immigration authorities. “They’re treating him like a criminal so they can justify taking away his son. Where’s the proof? It’s his word against theirs. It sickens me.”

Susan Watson, a civil rights and family lawyer, said this kind of action could not be done without a judge’s review in custody cases that do not involve immigration issues. “Constitutionally, before a parent is separated from a child, you are entitled to due process,” she said. “Some decision in a dark corner by the Border Patrol doesn’t meet that standard.”
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Federal law does not distinguish between immigrant, migrant, or ILLEGAL immigrants in child welfare cases. Susan Watson if full of shit.

In New York, Ziesemer says the new separations identified by her organization involve children between the ages of 2 and 17, including Brayan. All of them arrived in New York City without any records indicating they had been separated from their parents at the border and why.
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Again, Catholic Charities is NOT a licensed child care facility, they are immigration advocates. One can be absolutely sure that the state of New York knows that these cases are part of ILLEGAL immigration cases, if not from Border Patrol or ICE when the children have been put into their care, then at least the older kids, like, you know, the 17 year old, know their name, family history, and where they came from. This is a bullshit story.
The rest of the story details the heartbreaking details of how the Trump administration, cruelly, separated Julio and Brayan. Including the information that Brayan's mother lives in South Texas. Now, given the FEDERAL laws mandating reunification as a first priority, Brayan would almost certainly have been with his mother in South Texas within days of being put in the care of the State of New York. The bottom line is, this story is BULLSHIT, loaded with misinformation, outright lies, and slanted opinion.

Now, Shooter assumes @imported has no experience with Foster care, so he wouldn't know a lot of this. Shooter assumes imported is just following the generals lead. Blindly. Without checking the facts. Cause, you know ................... Trump.

But the General claims to have experience with Foster care, and in fact has reported abuse in the past. The general should know at least part of the law, cause, you know, just touching a foster care agency gets you all kinds of information about the process, the law, and rights.

So, Shooter is pleased to report that yet again, the general is fucking hypocritical liar.

 

The guy still tries to pump the Uranium One story even though it was debunked years ago and posted on Snopes.com.

 

He's still doing it now trying to deny the migrant kids Trump snatched are placed into foster care. When that is the only place most of them can go. And I have posted the proof multiple times.

And all that is just trying to deflect and distract from Trump snatching kids from their parents with no way to track or reunite them.

On top of the Trump administration out and out lying about it multiple times