hey Bella thanks for posting that, they are advertised here but not seen any recall and thats scary - be crossing them off my son's christmas list for sure - and he has already asked for them lol x

 

same thing you got me last year?

 

No it's not China,They were the cheapest bidder at the time!
It's Our Corporate Assholes, with outsourcing, and free trade. All this shit is made by the cheapest bidder from some third world shit hole, Including all the American Car Parts, hope you feel real safe in your nice new G.M. vehical.
The only thing American about G.M. is the name! Oh when your G.M. car radio quits...that is made in China also.
Hell we can't get this Fucking Junk out of the Dealership parking lot without have some problem.
But they don't care about You, or Me, Just proffit. How much can they stuff in there pocket before they get caught!!!
Doc.

 

BAH!

they only sell what you'll buy . . . using the car as an example - would you pay a 40% premium if every part in your car was manufactured and assembled in the USA? If so, then you're one of the very few who would do so. The (short-sighted and self-interested) market has spoken - they want lots of cheap crap and no consequence to the decision.

 

lol @ calling GHB a date-rape-drug.

but, the '2 people who ended up in comas'... if they were the people who bought them AFTER the warning, they deserved it. reason: they most likely had no idea what drug it was other than it was illicit, and/or had no idea the side effects of GHB. also, absolutely no way to measure the amount in that form, so were pretty much asking for bad results.

anyway, yeah, it's bad that its happened to a child's product, let alone any product. but to me, it seems like any child manufacturing flaw has been in the media recently. almost like a bit of a target, something to talk about. im sure there are tonnes of other things in toys that have been around for years that are dangerous.

 

So do you think the CO of Mattel, GM...Ect ...gives a flying fuck about you?
Do you think they need multi million dollar salarys? Do you think they give a shit about their employees?
When this country falls into a resession, because no one can buy the cheap shit anymore, Because these fuckers outsoursed their jobs, Do you think they are going to give two shits?
Don't hold your breath if you do!

 

No, I don't think they give a shit about me, or you, or anyone else that isn't a close personal friend or family . . . you seem to imply that they should, but that's another moral question.

But, that agreement being established, what responsibility do you think the average consumer should have in participating in the process? Do you think they are completely powerless to make a different purchasing choice? There's alot more of us than there are them . . . who's really in control of how things go?

I happen to believe that the real power lies with the marketplace - unfortunately, that marketplace is full of people with entitlement attitudes and a real disdain for responsibility. It takes two to consumate any act of commerce, the buyer and the seller - take one away and the deal simply can not get done.

You want to get the attention of the CEOs of Mattel or GM, convince your fellow consumers to stop buying their shit - they'll either shift to accomodate the market or go away. Whining about how selfish they are wont change a damn thing.

 

Old Tool

To Old Tool and the rest of you... I do apologize for sounding off, But if you aren't experiencing corporate greed yet, I hope you don't, Because it sucks.
My Wifes job just went to India because of it, GM has just cut the warranty
labor rate in half, and that cuts my pay in half. That don't lower the price of that car, Does it!
So if I seem bitter I am!
I don't think it is so much the people wanting a bargain, hell every one does!
But if these CEOs didn't make the salary's that they do, Just maybe the product would be lower.
That don't matter, Because they are filling their pocket at Yours, And Every Ones expense!!!
Fuck.....You name it...Kids Toys, Cars, Medical Products, Gas for your car, The list goes on. They don't care if their product is killing anyone, As long as they get their cut.
So I don't blame the people as much as I blame Corporate Greed for this.
Doc.

 

I avoid Wal-Mart as much as I can. It's hard with Leila though because she's a big wal-mart fan. She believes that the average savings of $2500 Wal-Mart says they save their average customer is worth the trade deficit and chinese slave labor. Most of the time I can get her to buy stuff at Schnucks, but now, once or twice a month, I must dirty myself and walk through their big blue doors.

I know my little bit won't make a difference, but it makes me feel better.

-S-

 

It's the CEO's job to make money. He or she has to answer to the share holders and they want a return on their investment. You can't really fault them for trying to do their job. As with pretty much all our more recent fuck-ups the blame lies with Congress for allowing companies such easy access to outsource. Free trade is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated against the American people. When it was being finalized in the 90's under Clinton and the Republican Congress the big argument was that high tide will raise all boats. We send them our jobs and don't tax their imports and it stimulates their economy which will, somehow, stimulate ours.

If you had told the American people that what they were really okaying was a staggering trade deficit, lower quality, no checks and balances and a lower standard of living, you really think we would have agreed to it? There would have been a march on Washington.

-S-

 

Well, we can't do that. If we did that, China would more than likely demand any and all of our debts to be payed to them on the spot, a feet that would destroy the US. A few years back (I dunno about now) I read somewhere that we have a rather large debt with China over something.

I personally think people are paranoid. and not just about toys, but about everything. "Oh no, there's lead paint in 1 toy out of every 100,000!" "Oh we're going to die! Oh no, ecoli in the salads! Oh no, Avian flu! Oh no, West Nile! Anthrax! Bioweapons! Terrorism!"

Welcome to America, home of the selfish, home of the lawsuit, home of the cowardly, home of the paranoia of a insignificant chance that something is going to happen to you! Quit being dumbasses just because a few things out of a million contain something potentially bad. And don't we have treatments, or cures for half the crap that we fear?

But onto the original topic, If you guys are smart, now's the time to start a manufacturing business. Imports from China are down due to current problems, markets are in a slump it seems, here in Colorado (Probably similar around the country) people need better paying jobs due to inflation and gas prices. You could make a potential killing starting up a manufacturing business!

(heh, just realized the original topic was about a toy containing a date rape drug... Oh well, My point still stands.)

 

to put things in perspective, if you have a bank account, with at least one penny in it - then you are in the top 8th percentile in terms of personal wealth on this planet.

Now, tell me again how bad we westerners have it?

 

Well, I never said we had it bad, and I'm not saying that you said I said that, I'm just saying people are to paranoid in our country.

 

I say a little natural selection is in order. I played with dangerous toys. I remember I had an optimus prime figurine that would shower everything with super hot sparks. Like from a lighter. I never burned down the house or injured myself. My parents had more dangerous toys than I did, and I'm sure our grandparents toys were probably made ENTIRELY out of lead, coated with lead paint and came with a box of uranium for good measure. I'm just saying if your kid is dumb enough to swallow paint chips or try to inhale industrial cleaners. Maybe they should choke. Face it they're not the brightest children if that's the case.

 

Ok my 2 cents.. First off, I understand alot about manufactoring. My father helped design several plastic thermal former machines. Now with that said, items made in the USA does not have to cost that much more, if any. Do you realize what it cost to ship one item from overseas to middle heartland america. Lets do a short list here, first usually a big boat, then it is off loaded to a truck that pulls the container to a yard, then it is loaded generally on a train where it is pulled to an yard, off loaded, picked up by truck hauled to distribution center, then unpacked, repacked and then shipped out via truck to store. Kind of simplified yes, but you get the point, now there is shipping involved when made in the USA, but hardly as much.

It is a well told lie by corperate america that it would cost us more to be buy if made here in the US, so that they can send jobs overseas and pay little to nothing on overhead, in an almost contridictory situtation but true, the pay frieght and only do this all because they... and I point this out.. They can make a bigger profit.. you see making it in the US does cost more, but in truth, instead of absorbing some of that cost and not making AS much profit, GREED has sunk its teeth in and they cannot stand to think of loosing even one more penny per item. So really folks part of it comes down to our fault, we believe the lie, we literally buy into it. Then we buy from countries who only want our american dollar to become rich and their workers struggle, and even worse they do not care about our safety or well being, and possibly even scarier, they might actually do some small things to do us harm.

Finding dangerous products is only going to get worse, do not expect it to get better. We will be told there is no easy answers and that it will cost US (you and I) a great deal to ensure products from overseas are safe.

Ok now for a little more soap box preaching.... Let me open your eyes to a well planned, well exacuted plot, ploy whatever you want to call it. READ THIS CAREFULLY......... All our major manufactoring companies here in this country has strategically counted, figured and summed our salaries in a methodical manner. Every company knows that people spend up to their net income. This allows them to pay people as little as possible, to keep them trapped within their lifestyle, and the pay them just under what is needed for them to live comfortably so that both spouses has to work to survive, (So what you may ask) Well with both spouses having to work it increases the availability of workers in the workforce there by keeping competion for jobs at a maximum allowing companies to keep wages lower. All the companies want is to keep you where you at the level you are at. A good example of this, my company gave us a generous 3% raise, well dang gas has had an increase of 24% in the past 6 Months, so your bill to drive to work went up, your electric bill went up, your gas bill went up, you food went up (takes fuel to move it ), Ummm how does 3% even come close to the over all cost of living increase. Now for the kicker for the past 3 quarters.. my company on their own website has posted record profits, insane profits, not a profit to where I would say good for the company we are doing pretty good now. No this is the kind of profit that makes you sick because its huge, enormous.. and it only took them 3 months to make it. I am fortunate I make pretty good money for what I do( due mainly because I have a very expensive education to help me make it) but I have watched workers for this company work 300 plus hours overtime in 6 months time and barely clear 20K, a person this day in age should clear 20K with just a 40 hr work week if the company is making record profits every 3 months.

Ok ok long winded.. to sum it up.. I am not surprised and will not be surprised to hear more defective toys, items entering the US. It is sad and i dislike it. My prayers for every family affected by such terrible things.

 

It actually makes sense that there was GHB in the toys. GLB is a popular paint/anything stripper, and it's the freebase of GHB.

Btw, that being said one can buy GLB online, mix it in his own kitchen with NaOH, which can also be bought online, and make his own GHB, extremely cheap; fun fact.

And Alcohol is the date rape drug, not GHB. GHB has a very noticeable strong salty taste that can be clearly tasted through any beer or drink.

 

When I can afford to be a snob, I will. Until then, yes I do enjoy that $2500 savings and the ease of the one stop shop. Do I think its ok that they have the chinese workers and all the imports? No. But not everything sold in walmart is from China, as you'd like to believe. AND they aren't the only ones doing it, nor were they the first. We've been getting products from overseas for a long time.

And knock Wally World all you want, but they've been good to my family. I have several family members that have made a career working for walmart, and honestly, I don't see what people are bitching about. They've had it pretty damn good. I wish I got bonuses like my parents get. Damn!

 

If you have ever done business with a Chinese company you know they build exactly what you specify. You want your item built at XXXX number of dollars per unit they will most likely do it. They can build some of the finest products on earth, they can also build some of the cheapest crap around. It's totally the choice of the company having the product manufactured what quality and value they want in it. Corporate America is making the decisions on what they offer to us. Look at Tobacco Companies, they know thier product kills people but with the profits being made they just buy off the few that drop dead. Drug companies are the same as well. It's ultimately up to you the consumer to stop buying the products. If they can't sell em they won't make em !

 

We have to go back to the reason that so much comes from foreign companys, "Free Trade" is mostly the cause of it.. it allows our american companys to send the items to a foreign country for mfg. because the labor is less. It allows the US companys to move their operation to china, india and other asian countrys where labor laws are lax, oversight is lax, it began with NAFTA and many USA mfg. moving to mexico.
Now we have a hidden problem. That is food that is produced in foreign countrys and passed off as USA Look close it says "packaged in usa, or distributated by a usa company" Look close at other foods Ham 39% added products.. or other words your ham is 39 % water. Chicken that is labeled as all natural "15% water added!!
We now learn that all the metal cans that hold food products on the store shelf are lined with a plastic that can release poision .
We had a law "truth in advertising" The label on a food product is "advertising" why can we not get the truth here.
THE BLAME IS GOING TO CHINA, BUT SHOULD IT NOT BE PUT ON THE COMPANY THAT SENDS IT TOYS AND FOOD TO CHINA TO BE MANUFACTURED.. MATELL AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE SHIFTING THE BLAME TO CHINA.. WHO WILL SUE CHINA

over 3000 pets died in the pet food poision from china.. who sued china. The pet food companys have excaped even any critical looks.

 

Very good comments, I posted before I read yours,, but it all goes together.. thanks for this added info..