This is my feeling exactly. And especially as a male I don't think this decision belongs to me or anyone else.

This actually speaks to unconditional love and the ability to convey that. But it is something that can be spread and the more it is the better world we have.

Actually the problem is that most adoptive parents in the US want brand new babies (usually white) and are not willing to adopt older kids, or kids of different races.

Here's another problem though. I watched one couple that were just dieing to adopt. They did everything possible and got a little boy. Then they had an opportunity to adopt a little girl. The mother liked her much better so she essentially just started ignoring and being overly critical of the boy even though she was at first over protective. Again its a complex issue but some adoptive parents also should not have children.

 

ok like i said before i don,t know much about this but i do know it all fucking sick they is to much hatred in the world and it not getting any better

 

That's not a scientific conclusion. That's a religious and philosophical statement.

Do you support the death penalty?

 

No. It isn't.

Yes. All murder is killing but not all killing is murder. Killing someone in self-defense...or in a just war...or by means of capital punishment isn't murder.

 

now that all depends on your point of view an eye for an eye hey

 

Unless you are aware of scientific evidence that I'm not aware of that is just your opinion. But if you do have some scientific evidence put it up so we can look at it.

Yes but killing innocent people is murder isn't JoeDirty? So you are a party to that all the time. We've killed 100,000's innocent people in wars. We've executed innocent people. So that is murder and you and I are both a party to it, which makes the statement below false because you are in fact are an accomplice to murder all the time.

I guess this would make you a self-righteous murderer.

 

For once we agree.

So how did you conclude abortion is murder? And how is that the relevant issue if it is?

 

Accidentally killing someone isn't murder. Murder is the intentional unlawful taking of innocent human life.
If I accidentally hit someone with my car and they die I will not be sentenced to die because of it. Or at least I shouldn't be.
If a soldier intentionally kills an innocent civilian that soldier is guilty of murder. OTOH civilian deaths happen in all wars. Those accidental deaths are unfortunate. But they aren't murder.

I'll be back later with the scientific proof that life begins at conception....

 

So by your definition abortion isn't murder.

I am eager for your proof.

 

Well first by your own definition abortion is not murder because it is not unlawful.

Second just in Iraq alone we have had soldiers found guilty of murder and we are an accomplice to that because we put them there in the first place.

Third there is nothing accidental about an execution and through you support of the death penalty you have been an accessory in the unlawful taking of an innocent life because we have in fact executed innocent people. One in Texas just not too long ago.

 

I've already given a definition of murder in my previous post.
If life begins at conception (and it does) and if the "product of conception" is human (and it is) then abortion involves the killing (barbaric slaughter) of an innocent human life.

The slaughter of babies is a very relevant issue. It's perhaps the most important issue facing the world. Are we going to be barbarians or are we going to have respect for human life?

 

I agree with you on this but please define war

 

I now know which side you guys would have been on if you both had lived in the 19th Century.

The pro-slavery side.

 

As opposed to say, oh, I dunno, strapping a possibly innocent man to a chair and and running enough electricity through his body to boil his eyeballs in his socket?

Or injecting him with drugs that paralyze him and cause him to slowly suffocate to death because his diaphragm has been frozen.

-S-

 

Would you rather lock up a possibly innocent man in a cell for the rest of his life instead?

 

and your definition contained the word "unlawful" which disqualifies all legal abortions from your definition of murder.

The cells are alive before conception, surely you are not arguing that? I don't know that I would agree with with your conception=human but that is really a moot point for me anyway. What you call barbaric I would call economic in all respects (to include suffering.)

I would say your last sentence has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It is simply inflamitory language which is not only a fallacy in creating a false either/or situation, neither choice fairly represents either side of the issue.

 

Look at you trying to be all crafty and change the subject.

But don't ask me, I'm not the one about to die. Why don't you ask the man strapped to the chair? Funny how you call abortion barbaric when, in the early stages what you're terminating doesn't even have a nervous system, but the above mentioned methods for execution you're okay with.

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I didn't change the subject. It's you anti-death penalty folks who always argue "Don't kill 'em! Put 'em away for life instead!". Then you say, "A life sentence would be a worse punishment because they would have to live the rest of their lives remembering their evil deed." (It's strange that murderers and their lawyers are always trying to get the sentence lowered from death to life in prison. I wonder why that is? )
Per your "logic" we should just lock up a possibly innocent person in prison and throw away the key.

 

As I said, why don't you ask the person about to die how they want to spend the rest of their life: Electrocuted and dead or alive and in prison.

Why isn't that barbaric but abortion is?

-S-

 

I hope this one is still coming