Wow! I had no idea we were going to have a SERIOUS discussion about this.

Or I wouldn't have been so snarky.

 

Would that apply to facist dictators and control freaks too?

 

No it wouldn't. Neither Leila and I were on drugs, both of us were financially viable and we had a stable living environment.

They state can already come in and take your child if you are deemed unfit. Why can't they prevent you having the child in the first place if you are deemed unfit. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. You want to play russian roulette with lives. What if this, what if that, I've seen this, I've seen that.

Making people meet standards before they start pumping out babies they can't afford and can't/won't take care of would go a long way to eliminating the cycle of poverty that exists in this country and others. As it is now, people spend generations in total destitution suffering all manner of abuse. This fixes that problem within one to two generations.

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I really wanted to address this comment Shake but missed it in my other response. Oh Shit Load of Emptiness what gives you such a crystal ball? People change all the time. They learn they grown and they mature. Its only our own prejudices and judgmental attitude that makes you make sweeping and condemning statements like this.

For all you know this kid is as loved and cared for as Baby Shake is but the parents have come from completely different background and experiences than you. It sure as hell doesn't mean they are doing anything but loving this kid and will manage to change.

 

As I said, we have a system in place already that judges adults for suitability when it comes to raising children. On one side we have adoption requirements and on the other side we have Family Services that removes children from unsafe environments. These systems are not infallible but if you adjust them, reorganize them, you have a very workable system.

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Personally, I would be inclined to put vaccinations in the same bag.

But, that's another whole area of discussion.

 

If you're raised in poverty you have a high statistical likelihood of staying in poverty and that cycle is repeated on down the line.

All sorts of things are possible, but the numbers don't lie. This kid has almost no chance of ever seeing college or even graduating high school. Sure he could, and that's outstanding if he does, I mean it, but think how many times this scenario is played out across America where the kid ends up just like his parents.

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it's always the people that would be great parents that can't have kids, and the people who should never breed that have dozens. that artical is pretty sickening. as kimiko said, they should let the child chose his own- just kidding.

i'd gladly adopt him if the state wants to step in and give him a chance at a better non-gang related life.

 

I believe in vaccinations. It's how we got rid of polio and small pox and how it's now possible to get rid of HPV, which is the leading cause of cervical cancer in women.

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What a strange thread! I took it as a given that Shake was just posting a seriously bad example of parenting, and wasn't serious about forced sterilization. Then I thought Stumbler totally overreacted and was suffering from a short-term sense-of-humor bypass. Then it turns out that Shake was serious about sterilization!

I'm going to the gym.

 

Well, it was a bit of a joke, but if asked, I would say those two should be sterilized. Not permanently, they could have a chance later down the road, but when it came up in Perv's thread awhile back and I got to thinking about it, it is something I would support. I thought of that original thread when I read the article and it's what prompted the title.

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Hang on.....you're saying that children born into poverty caused mostly by a corrupt state shouldn't be born because that same state has deemed their parents unfit?

That's ludicrous.

Wouldn't it be better just to have a much healthier (for wont of a better word) distribution of wealth?

 

I'm saying that if the parents can't afford the child should not have a child. That just puts more burden on an already over-taxed state.

And no, I don't believe in the redistribution of wealth. I find socialism almost as depressing and destructive as communism.

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wow, just wow

 

I've never supported this thinking, although after reading this am beginning to have second thoughts.

 

oh, we're commenting about sterilization? iight.

the only reason a couple should ever be sterilized is if they keep popping out kid, after kid, after kid and they are on welfare and can barely support the kids they already have.

if someone is born into poverty, there's also a good chance that they can actually make it in life, chose smarter routes than their parents, and earn scholarships. it's very possible. so no, i don't agree with forced sterilization just because the parents are in gangs, at the poverty level, etc. i think if people like that have kids, the state should step in and monitor, or take them away from the parents. everyone has a right to life.

 

It's a heretical notion, I guess...but I could get behind a system where you have to get a license to have a child...maybe pass a test at the Department of Reproductive Services. And then you should have to renew it every so often, register your child, and prove that you have health insurance.

But forced sterilization seems a tad extreme...

 

Redistribition of wealth doesn't necessarily mean socialism....or communism.

It could mean a peaceful world though.

 

Logically it makes perfect sense. Granted, logic is not known for being warm and fuzzy, but it benefits everyone. All the billions of dollars that are now diverted in to social welfare programs can be freed to do other things. You could almost eliminate poverty in just a few generations. The money saved on welfare could be used to fix our education systems, give everyone a good start in life so that they are able to have children when they're ready.

It's a hard pill to swallow, I'll admit, but it makes a lot of sense.

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oh, and for the record, I think Forced Sterilization is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard, it borders on things you'd read in 1984 or the Nazi Regime. Nobody has a right to do that, sorry