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    No now that has to be fake news and a hoax Just because documents have all been signed by the relevant parties with all the paper work returned to a court of law doesn't mean its rea. That judge and court room down in Florida might not even exist.

    And Trump is probably still under attack by the deep state that is out to destroy him when is is totally innocent and always has been. They are all just out to get a great patriot and president who had to take top secret documents to Mar a Lago to protect them from President Biden/


    ‘Trump should watch his back’ because Mar-A-Lago search shows ‘his buddies could be wearing a wire’: Barbara McQuade

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    An informant reportedly told the FBI where they could find classified documents Donald Trump had stashed away at Mar-A-Lago, and now the former president is purportedly consumed by mistrust.

    The FBI executed a search warrant Monday at Trump's private club in Florida, which was reportedly prompted by a confidential human source, and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said the ex-president is taking a close look around his inner circle.

    "Who told the FBI what documents Trump was hiding and where they were located?" the "Morning Joe" host said. "Trump world is reportedly trying to figure out who flipped ... Donald Trump is worried he may have a rat or multiple rats in his midst. He is wondering if his phones are tapped, or even if his buddies could be wearing a wire."

    Former U.S. attorney Barbara McQuade agreed that Trump should be concerned about his allies providing information to investigators as multiple cases move forward against him.

    READ MORE: ‘The walls are closing in’: George Conway says Trump is finally learning 'nobody is above the law'

    "If this is an ongoing investigation, as it appears to be, then it would be appropriate to continue to collect evidence," McQuade said. "So the ways those are done are through listening devices, surveillance techniques, confidential informants, consensual monitoring. To use those techniques requires court oversight. They're not planting bugs on their own, they're not tapping his phones without great scrutiny by a court. So just as we saw for this search, it required a court to review and determine whether there was probable cause to believe that a crime had been committed and that evidence of that crime would be found on the scene."

    "To engage in any of the other investigative techniques would also require court oversight," she added, "so I'm sure Merrick Garland is doing this by the book. He has told us so. By all appearances, he is doing so. But I think you're right, if we know there is an informant who shared this information -- which is not surprising. It is often the way that the government learns about misconduct in cases, someone who is close to the wrongdoer shares that information. But i think Donald Trump does need to watch his back. Sound like the rats are fleeing the ship."

    Watch the video below or at this link.




    https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-wiretap/
     
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      Geesh, I couldn't even read past the first 2 sentences of this post! The aliens may have taken him into their saucer for examination and got scared.
       
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      Maybe he is being sarcastic and it went over my head at first, in which case, I apologize and give a red-faced chuckle.
       
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    Hey @shootersa do you have any problem with a president, any president, doing this with classified and top secret material? And remember you said any0one who does not answer questions is a coward.



    Trump surrogate: 'He can literally stand over a set of documents and say these are now declassified'

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    Kash Patel, a former official in the Trump administration, argued on Sunday that the former president could declassify piles of documents with a single utterance.

    In an interview with Fox News host Maria Bartiromo, Patel defended Trump after FBI agents reportedly used a search warrant to seize classified documents at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home.

    "On the way out of the White House he issued further declassification orders declassifying whole sets of documents," Patel said. "And this is a key fact that most Americans are missing. President Trump, as a sitting president, has the unilateral authority for declassification."

    Patel added: "He can literally stand over a set of documents and say these are now declassified and that is done with definitive action immediately."

    According to The Washington Post, there is a declassification process for a president to follow when declassifying documents. And there is no evidence that the documents found at Mar-a-Lago had been declassified.

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  4. Bron Zeage

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    Trump and his various Attorney Generals had 4 years to pursue Hillary for her purported crimes. After all, "Lock her up" was one of the perennial chants of Trump's rallies. Of course when the rubber hit the road, it was just more of Trump's empty words. It's no surprise Hillary is being pulled back out into the daylight when Trump has once again shit and fell back in it. At the end of Trump's days in office, Bill Barr exposed himself to be a lawyer who knew better than go into court with nothing, and he probably felt the same way when locking up Hillary was topical. In any case, the moment has passed.

    Trump and his new lawyers are free to go into court and plea the "Hillary did it too" defense, and given the caliber of Trumper attorneys (ask Alex Jones about that), they might try that. This doesn't mean Trump has no defense at all.

    It's probably not a good idea to go with the claim that the "FBI planted evidence in Mar Lago", although Rudy Giuliani would be ready to testify that he had theories, but no evidence, once again.

    There is still the "Everything I touch is declassified" defense, which presents its own problems. For example, can the President declassify a filing cabinet, without knowing what's inside it? Probably not. Clarence Thomas will probably say yes, but will ask his wife, first.

    Now that Trump understands the value of refusing to answer questions which could incriminate him, he's certainly not going to try to explain why he wanted a truck load of government documents which he had never read and never intended to read. This limits the issue to documents which were read to him on the days when he wasn't playing golf. Even then, with 4 years in office, at a pace of 10 minutes a day, that can't be too many.
     
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      Well, but the problem is, you might recall the whole clinton thing happened in 2015 and 2016.
      Before trump was president, eh?
       
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    That's what I was asking above and you notice I did not get an answer to it. Is it alright for a president, any president to wave his hands over boxes of classified material and say I declassify thee without it going through the proper declassification protocols? Especially without a review by the relevant intelligence reviews to protect methods and sources.

    But you might have noticed that is alright with the Trump supporters who are still screaming about Hillary's emails. Where top secret documents and signal intelligence in Trump;s basement at Mar a Lago are just A Ok.
     
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      No one has said its ok you pathalogical liar.
      IF trump is guilty of the same violations as clinton he should get the same punishment, don't you agree?
      Or is it political?
       
      shootersa, Aug 15, 2022
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      But @shootersa wasn't clinton (allegedly) guilty of mishandling classified docs where Tramp has (allegedly) taken them down to his house, after being warned not to take them, then returning some and claiming that no others existed, when afterall there were 13 boxes he had hidden, and the govt had no idea what he was planning to do with them? Big difference, I'd say.
       
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      But @toniter wasn't clinton guilty of mishandling classified docs by running a private server where her secret documents were stored, and then lied about it, and in answer to a subpoena was allowed to decide what she'd give up (no raids on her house, eh?) And then lied some more about it. And we know the russians saw at least some of that where we don't know anything of the sort with Trump. And while everyone is calling for trump to be shot for treason clinton got a pass. Big difference, I'd say.
       
      shootersa, Aug 15, 2022
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      So, with that kind of argument, @shootersa, after robbing a bank and getting caught with the marked bills in my car, standing before the judge, my attorney said, "Ok, you got my client and it's not looking good, but, your honor, there was a guy years ago who got off after allegedly, but never charged, was found in the possession of liquor from a liquor store! That means my client shouldn't go to a trial either."
      The "what about the other guy" argument is wearing thin.
       
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      Well, if the crimes were all that different shooter would agree with you.
      We've seen the system land with full force on people who run counter to the state, while giving a pass to the favored and anointed.

      The fact is, hilary got a pass because she had been promised the throne, donald is the outsider so now he must pay.

      Not defending trump, he can handle that fine, just pointing out the hypocrisy to the fooled minions shouting from their high moral ground. And that, if you think about it, is the real crime.
       
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    The Democrat crime syndicate has been after Trump for 6 years now..... Yet no charges, no convictions.

    They do keep taking shots at Trump, but like a poor marksman, they're unable to hit the target...:hilarious:
     
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      Your point? I'd suggest their marksmanship is improving.
       
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    Patience. Trump gamed the system and now the clock is running out.
     
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      @shootersa... true, in a way. Although, in a civil case, as in New York, taking the 5th can, and will, be used against you as a presumption of guilt. (I was surprised to hear it too)
       
      toniter, Aug 15, 2022
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      Its laughable to see treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans screaming about all the Trump investigations but Trump not being indicted. For one very simple reason. The DOJ memo saying a sitting president can not be indicted.

      But to pass of that lie they have to pretend this did not happen.

      “If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mueller declared.
       
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      Trump was also indicted on at least two crimes by the House of Representatives during his two impeachments.

      And just because the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans refused to convict Trump does not mean those crimes were not proven beyond reasonable doubt.
       
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      Everyone who ever trusted Trump got boned up the ass. The ones who come back for more must like it.
       
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      Every time the american hater stamps his foot about trumps impeachments shooter laughs.
      Watching a grown man throw a tantrum like a two year old is real entertainment.
      Especially when his tantrum is cause he didn't get his nap.

      And he loves that Mueller quote as if it is some left handed way of saying trump comitted a crime. But its all ge gets so we let him have his fun with it.
       
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    You got that right..... Time is running out. 3 months until the midterms.

    The best part about this is, Trump's not running for anything, yet he will factor in when it comes to the turnout and outcome of the midterm elections.
     
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      You may be right. That's what the majority of us fear.
       
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    If in fact this whole Mar a Lago scandal results in Trump jetting back into the oval office (Shooter is pretty sure now it won't) the despicables will have no one to blame but themselves.

    In any case, despicables really need to quit the bullshit and start preparing for midterms.
    They can no more be stopped than a tsunami can be stopped.
     
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      Ya, the midterms are a problem (and that's an understatement!).
       
      toniter, Aug 16, 2022
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      At some stage people are going to have to admit it's not the midterms that are a problem but the government.
       
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    That unilateral authority still requires some method of declassifying documents. I'm sure that most of these documents have multiple copies, how would anyone know that the copies were also declassified?
     
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      Also if Trump declassified all those documents then they are now public records that new organizations can sue for under the FOA.
       
      stumbler, Aug 15, 2022
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      There you go! Get someone to sue and show they are still classified!
       
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      That has already happened once @anon_de_plume. Trump tweeted classified material and said he was declassifying everything to do with it. So the NYT filed an FOA to get the documents. But the DOJ went to court and said just because Trump said he was declassifying something that did not mean it was declassified and subject to public records requests. And they won.
       
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    A distinction without a difference.
    Trump apparently possessed documents marked as "confidential" or "top secret".
    It doesn't matter if they were in fact classified or top secret. If they were marked as such they needed to be treated as such.
    You probably need to read the law before you comment further, anon.
     
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      Double post
       
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      The lead espionage prosecutor for the last several years was on tv, saying that all this noise about classified or whatever is just a distraction from the real heart of the matter. Determining why T took all these docs. What were his intentions? Has he already caused some national security damage? Has he broken the law or, even worse? (I forget the guy's name but he was pretty serious).
       
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      Be serious. He was the president, he was told and shown all kinds of classified stuff. I at some stage he wanted to he could have written down what he remembered and given it to someone or quite simply phoned and told them? Yes no maybe?
       
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    'Benedict Donald' Trump 'understood the stakes in the search warrant that was executed': MSNBC panel

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    Donald Trump biographer Tim O'Brien explained that even though the former president "isn't a sophisticated man" and " is a deeply ignorant man," he still "understood the stakes in the search warrant that was executed."

    He joined a panel of legal experts on MSNBC Sunday evening to explain that Trump's "secret power" is spinning something into something else.

    "Then there was this void around how to interpret the FBI search, and he lept into that by labeling it a raid and saying the United States had a broken legal system, just like third world countries and this was a political hit," said O'Brien. "All that got embraced by Fox News and the enablers in the GOP. And they had about two new cycles worth of momentum out of that. By the time Merrick Garland belatedly gave guidance to the American public about what the Justice Department's intentions were here, I think the wheel had turned."

    It's only persisted since Thursday, he said.

    "I think the initial focus was, 'well the FBI is off the rails here," O'Brien went on. "He effectively changed people from focusing on him to focusing on the FBI's actions. Now that the people are focusing on him, his motives in all of this become paramount. I think you really have to ask yourself, why did Donald Trump take these documents? I think it drops into three baskets. I think at least painful one of them is that he's a seven year grown old, and there's some stuff from the White House that he wanted to keep. Late models of Air Force One and its paint job."

    Where it gets dodgy is whether Trump had financial incentives to take documents.

    "Donald Trump's business is under enormous stress," O'Brien explained."He faces an AG investigation by the New York attorney general investigation that could put him out of business. He owes a lot of debt. His son-in-law and former Treasury Secretary both cashed in under relationships with the Saudis. I think he saw people in his administration monetizing their service. I think we can't put it past anyone that Trump saw some of these documents as avenues for him to making money. I think that the third possible basket here is damage control for his own reputation, actions you might have taken before your eyes leadership while he was president."

    Former deputy assistant attorney general from the office of legal policy, Lisa Graves made it clear that Trump also can't wave a magic wand and declassify anything he wants. She also explained that the documents report revealed that the ones he took were the most sensitive.

    "But the Espionage Act does not require anything to be classified specifically in order for it to apply," she also said. "I think Trump is in a world of trouble. We may have to start calling him Benedict Donald."

    See the conversation below:



    https://www.rawstory.com/benedict-donald-trump/
     
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    Trump might've stashed documents at Mar-a-Lago for two ‘deeply damaging and troubling’ reasons: biographer

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    As speculation continues to mount over what classified documents former President Donald Trump and why he chose to remove them from the White House at the end of his tenure, Bloomberg contributor and Trump biographer Timothy L. O'Brien writes that Trump and his allies' claims of political persecution have drowned out the more pressing questions as to why the FBI conducted the raid in the first place.

    According to O'Brien, there are three likely reasons Trump wanted to keep the classified information to himself, if if what the information exactly is isn't all that clear yet.

    The first reason, O'Brien said, could simply be due to Trump's immature need to hold on to the exclusivity and privileged nature of the presidency he now no longer holds.

    But Trump might also have "deeply damaging and troubling" reasons for retaining the material, he said.

    IN OTHER NEWS: Former Mueller prosecutor explains why law enforcement would have taken Trump's passports

    "Unfettered greed has motivated Trump his entire life. He didn’t get into the casino business to beautify Atlantic City," O'Brien wrote. "He didn’t propose a mega-development on Manhattan’s West Side because it would have made New York more livable. He didn’t start Trump University to educate students, and he didn’t host 'The Apprentice' to tutor entrepreneurs. He didn’t originally run for president to revitalize democracy. Money, money, money."

    Thirdly, Trump could be trying to salvage his reputation.

    "...what other communications are contained in the documents Trump kept? Anything with Russian President Vladimir Putin or Chinese President Xi Jinping?" O'Brien speculated. "How about documents pertaining to Trump’s phone calls with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy from that time when Trump was trying to strong-arm Zelenskiy into digging up dirt on his political opponent, Joe Biden. Those communications led to the first of Trump’s two impeachment proceedings."

    FBI agents recovered records marked "top secret" during their search of former president Trump's Florida estate, according to documents made public this week in a probe that includes possible violations of the US Espionage Act.

    READ: Trump warns ‘terrible things are going to happen’ in Fox News rant against FBI’s ‘sneak attack’

    The warrant and related materials, unsealed by a Florida judge, showed agents took away with them a significant amount of classified files after the raid, which ignited a political firestorm in an already bitterly divided country.

    The extraordinary search was partly based on suspicions of violations of the US Espionage Act related to the illegal retention of sensitive defense documents, the warrant showed.

    Some of the papers were marked "top secret" and were "meant to be only available in special government facilities," said the unsealed seven-page federal court filing.

    The filing contained a list of items removed from Mar-a-Lago, including information about the "President of France," and the warrant to search the palatial estate in Palm Beach.



    With additional reporting by AFP



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    We should not overlook the obvious. What we are looking at here is Trump's literal and clinical mental illness. For all his four years in office he wondered around the White House like a nursing home resident totally detached from reality and unable to grasp the consequences of his own actions. And all his sycophants in the White House treated him exactly like that. The allowed him to wonder around in his own delusional reality manipulating him when they could to get what they wanted and otherwise just ignoring him and his orders and directives.

    Advisors are now describing Trump as a "pack rat" when actually kleptomaniac is the proper term. He would glob onto some of the most highly classified documents and materials our nation has and take them up to his residence because they reinforced his delusions of greatness and all powerful. And has his former national security advisor John Bolton has said God only know what happened to that classified material after that.

    Then Trump could not grasp or accept that he had actually lost the election. So he buried himself in trying to orchestrate the first coup in American history resulted in an armed insurrection on the Capitol to try and stop Joe Biden being certified as president. And even when he failed at his attempted coup he could still not grasp the reality he was going to have to leave the White House and so his sycophants could not get him to give up his horde of classified documents and presidential records so they just allowed Trump to steal them and take them down to Mar a Lago. Where he still refused to give the records and documents back and continued to lie about possessing them. Until it finally took the FBI with a search warrant to go into Mar a Lago and end a paramount threat to our national security.


    White House staff tried to figure out how to get docs Trump had taken to the residence before he left office: report

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    As part of the report that the Justice Department would prefer not to release the methodology for the Mar-a-Lago search warrant, the New York Times revealed that former White House aides anticipated the documents problem.

    In a tweet from Maggie Haberman, she explained that in the weeks leading up to Jan. 20, 2021, White House staff was trying to figure out how to get documents from Trump that he'd taken with him to the residence so that they could be properly stored. By then, however, the staff secretary, Derek Lyons, left and former chief of staff Mark Meadows said he'd handle it.

    "...Meadows, the man who oversaw presidential records in the chaotic closing days of the administration, failed to organize an effort to collect, box and deliver materials to the National Archives — as prior presidents, and Mr. Trump’s own vice president, Mike Pence, did," two sources with knowledge of the events said.

    According to the Times, the final days of the Trump administration "instead, often focused on settling political grievances and personal grudges."

    The quote from the sources could also be an indication that Trump world intends to throw Meadows under the bus for the classified documents.



    The Times went on to describe the contrast between Trump's office and Pence's, which was cataloging and indexing all of the information necessary to comply with the National Archives and records keeping laws.

    Pence's counsel, Greg Jacob was described as trying to ensure Pence left office without a single piece of paper that didn't belong to him personally.

    Read the full report at the New York Times.


    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-documents-scandal-mark-meadows/
     
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    So, wait.
    We've been told trump is incapable of lifting anything heavier than a 9 iron.
    But he singlehandedly walked 30 boxes of TOP SECRET CLASSIFIED documents out of the White House, onto marine One, and flew off with them.
    That about cover it?
     
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      With his golf bag.
       
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    Well, sure! Makes sense.
    Thank you for explaining that.
     
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    Regardless of how they GOT there. They were there. But you keep on refusing that fact.
     
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    Not refusing the fact, shit for brains.
    Suggesting that what's good for the goose (Clinton) is good for the gander (trump).
    Unless, that is, you care to admit that the entire scandal is politics, not law.
     
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    Trump choose not to prosecute Clinton. That's on him, especially when he based his whole campaign on "lock her up".

    Besides, to take those documents was a deliberate act. There was absolutely no way for that material to end up at Mar-a-lago unless he intentionally took it.

    Clinton didn't get away with anything, Trump dropped the ball!
     
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      The one thing consistent when it comes to crimes and especially crimes by politicians is in order to indict them they have to be able to prove intent. And both Hillary Clinton but even more so Don Jr benefited from that.

      In Clinton's case the classified material was not obviously marked classified and they could not prove she actually intended to break any laws.

      And Don Jr got an even much bigger break when Mueller concluded he did intend to break the law meeting with Russian agents to get dirt on Hillary Clinton but he was too fucking stupid to know he was breaking the law and how serious it was.
       
      stumbler, Aug 17, 2022
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      But now in Trump's case he knew he was breaking multiple federal laws taking presidential records to Mar a Lago including TS/SCI material. He had been told multiple times all those records and documents had to be turned over to the National
      Archives by law.

      But Trump stole the records and classified material, refused to return them, then only returned part of them, and repeatedly lied about it and tried to cover it up. That is intent because he obviously intended to do all that.
       
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  20. shootersa

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    The despicables have collectively deluded themselves.
    Trump had no POWER to prosecute Clinton, did he? The decision to give Clinton a pass was made by the head of the FBI, Comey, and the head of the DOJ, Loretta Lynch, a full 6 months before Trump was elected President.
    And depending on your level of stupid, you understand that Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch only days before Comey and Lynch made their decision was not to discuss golf and Grand babies.

    But even you already know that, don't you, troll?
    You've seen the multiple posts documenting the dates, right?
    You understand the concept that Comey and Lynch made the decision BEFORE Trump was president, right?
    You understand the concept that once Comey and Lynch gave Clinton a pass Trump could not prosecute Clinton, right?
    You understand that, right?


    Deliberate? A distinction without a difference. The law only requires possession without authority or not protecting their security. Everything else is just noise.
     
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