I thought it was about paedophiles - then again, I have been known to be wrong before - I think *tries really hard to remember* hmm, yeh - there was that one time I remember

 

I personally am not Pro or Anti abortion, we all take risks at many things in life and have to live with the consequences of our actions - if that is a decision to have an abortion then that individual must be able to deal with it BUT it is not something they will ever forget, whatever their reasons. I have 2 daughters and if either came to me in this situation I woud love and support them whatever their choices - not inflict my own personal ideas on them. And there are many circumstances that would make continuing with a pregnancy impossible for some people, it is their right of choice. But my remark about never forgetting whatever still stand firm cause you dont, and I didnt have an abortion - but would never judge anyone who had.

 

PROCHOICE - should be the womans choice along with discussions with the father. One time was at a parent planning facility and there was this 13 year old girl whose parents were forcing her to get an abortion for her future. There are real legitimate reasons for people terminating a preganancy which are not at all easily made

Parents should never be forced to abort or keep the child

 

No offense to you or anything, but this statement as well as the other one calling him a pedo are reasons why I think society is retarded. This one double standard. You're allowed to date any one of any age before you turn 18, but if you turn 18 while your s/o is over a year or two younger than you, then you're automatically called a pedo, and everyone thinks you should be locked up.

Oh, and this only comes up when the guy's older, few if anyone would give a shit if the girl was nearly 18 but the guy was only 13/ Yes it's disturbing that a person who's nearly 18 is dating someone nearly 5 years under him, but you know you wouldn't be bitching about age nearly as much if the guy and the girl were to swap ages.


As for the whole "If she gets an abortion/ miscarriage, it will put her life and emotions into ruin", no offense, but what a retarded thing to say! Sure that may be true for you, but you have no right to say that the same out come will happen to that girl. Considering her age, she probably wouldn't care nearly as much as you think she may. And you think she'd have life any easier if she were to have the child?

She is at the age where a person of any gender takes what people around them say to heart.Throughout the rest of her school life, she'd be mocked and ridiculed constantly. She'd be called a slut or whore. Guys would only want her because of the notion that she is 'loose'. Girls I can't speak for them, but my sister was pregnant her Junior year of high school and was verbally assaulted many times by other girls.

And you're also telling us that the father should have a say in an abortion? You tell me how many 18 year old guys have wanted children. You'll find that very few want them, save the very religious ones or the ones who say something like "It was meant to happen", are going to want a kid to raise. But I'm pretty sure this 'Steve' is not one of them otherwise he'd probably not be going for girls that are that much younger than him.

Generally, I'm pro life. But there are cases when an abortion is the only way and I believe are legit reasons. Those include but are not limited to rape cases, if the mother or the mother or her family can't raise the child, or If the mother or her family is unfit to raise a baby. Also, people shouldn't be forced to keep a child if it won't be loved. A neglected childhood would be worse if you ask me.

I also believe that people who do seek abortions should have a cut off time for when they can get one. That is, when an aborted baby can live outside the womb. I believe that's usually about from 2 month on, but I can't remember the exact time frame.

As for the whole "planning his future with his friend" or whatever, what's so weird about about that? If the OP's saying the truth about how 'Steve' is one of his only friends, then it makes perfect sense to me. I'd be damn sure to keep any of my friends close that I made if I was in his situation. Some people are just plain important to us.

But no, you guys have to get 'suspicious' of him because he says he wants to keep a friend close. Come on, get real. You have all done the same thing with at least some one in your lives. You've all treated someone as a person who'd you want to be with until the end of the world. Usually it's a family member or s/o. Not everyone is like you though. This guy may have had a bad childhood and has only his one friend as a crutch to get through life. If that is the case, is it so weird?

And I still don't know why almost every one of you in this got pissed of at the OP. Even if he is really the person who this thread's about, you have no right to attack him like you were doing, unless you know that he is really the subject of this thread. Show some god damn decency for crying out loud. Isn't this suppose to be an adult forum where people act mature? Because attacking some because of something their friend did sounds real mature.

There. Done ranting. Chances are few will read this...

 

I am sorry this touches you so closely and harshly, but you would be wrong on this account.

 

I DID read your post. And I'd just like to pull you up on a few points, in a totally non-combatative way if I may?

Okay here goes - because there are laws in (your?) country which state that at age 18 you reach the majority, and are sexually classed an adult (16 is sexual majority in the UK) - it is difficult to see where the 'friend' would suddenly change preferences for sexual partners in under a year - he's ALREADY 17 don't forget! Therefore, he has less than 12 months to change from finding 13 year old girls 'fair game'. I doubt this will be the case here, as anywhere.

If it was in the UK, it would statutory rape, no question, no defense. But it isn't the UK. HOWEVER, I stand firm by what I say vis a vis the paedophilia - dress it up or down as you wish. It isn't ME that makes the rules, but then, it's not ME whose going round getting minors pregnant is it?

And as for the comment regarding 'if tables were reversed' - you put a lot of store into 'knowing what I think' without discussing it with me first. Laws are sexless, and as such a female could and SHOULD be tried for statutory rape at the same speed and shock as a male. It is still a crime.

There are more and more stories coming to light of females actually perpetuating abuse of minors. This was overlooked in the past because we are meant to be nurturing - and how in the hell could someone who births children actually ABUSE them sexually? It's sick, its perverse and it's AGAINST THE LAW! No matter what gender the abuser!

So please, do not assume you know my stance, or thoughts on the matter.

Peace out!

 

did I miss something??

 

*Slaps you* YES! You're ALWAYS late to the party!! How IS that?

 

"runs away crying for my mommy"

 

You're SUCH a baby!!

 

Perv ... I stand strong by what I said. Every word! I know first hand the pains of what you are wishing on this poor child. Sure it may be easier to have a miscarriage during the first trimester but it is just as bad as the baby dieing a week before she is due. I will not discount the childs mental well being ... she obviously is looking for something that is missing in her life which has brought her to this position. I too having been pregnant as a teenager and burying my first born know what your wishing this girl and you my friend are wrong in your thoughts.

Although I do understand what you are saying wishing a miscarriage on any mother to be of any age is such shallow thinking; however, it can and does happen. No, I do not believe that a 13 year olds body would be fully developed enough to withstand the strains of childbirth but there is always a C-Section. There are many girls that have died during childbirth over the years but modern medicinces have done many wonders. Nonetheless she is pregnant and she is not first 13 year old bearing a child.

 

I was saying you were wrong in regard to the fact I have been there first hand also, unless it doesn't count if you are a guy. I am saying that I understand it can be a very emotional experience and perhaps something you never forget, but not everyone is going to react the exact way you have. My opinion on this situation is clearly different than yours.

 

Well, this is one of the things I was trying to say. The guy has probably always liked younger girls. When I turned 18 I was just starting my senior year of high school. Before I turned 18 I was allowed to oggle or date any girl of any age in my high school when ever I want. But nooo, as soon as I turn 18, I can't do that any more or else I'll go to jail. It's retarded that one day before your 18th b-day, you're allowed have sex, get laid, or date as many girls of any age that you want, but the next day, as soon as you turn 18, you get in trouble for doing something that was natural to you.

I'm not saying he's not a pedo. He probably just has a lo|ita complex.

I am saying that the rules are unfair to in the sense they force you to behave differently as soon as you turn a certain age.You're only complaining because he's 17. Now if the guy was 16 or 15 and got the girl pregnant, you wouldn't be griping anywhere near as much. It's only because of a damn number.

Where did I say I 'know what you think'? What I meant by what I said is that if an 18 year old guy has sex with a 13 year old girl, he gets in trouble, pays fines/ compensation to the family, probably goes to jail for an extended prison term.

If an 18 year old female did the same thing to a 13 year old guy, and got in trouble for it, she'd more than likely just get a slap on the wrist in comparison to the 18 year old guy. She'd probably get a fraction of the time in prison that a guy would, and the probably the only one in the family of the 'victim' who would care would be the women.

And you think that with those 'sexless laws' that men and women ever get treated the same in the courts? Almost never. If a man and a woman both get caught for doing the same exact thing, the woman almost always gets off lighter than the man.

I really wasn't attacking your views or anything. And I never said I knew what your stance on it the topic was. I was just saying that it's retarded that it becomes a problem only when the person turns 18. Yes there's laws against 18 year olds dating minors. Some people just naturally like younger girls through their teen years and automatically are forced to think differently as soon as they turn 18, lest they want to go to jail.

I was also just saying that it's stupid that people only have a problem when the person is turning 18, they almost never have a problem before then.

 

*Sigh* I can see that we are not going to see eye to eye on this subject. I think it best if we both just agree to disagree. You have your views, I have mine.

 

*sigh* You're right... I'm cool with agreeing to disagreeing





hehehe... if only some of the other people who argue could resolve things as civilized...

 

You BITCH!! *Hitz you with my handbag*

 

well... well.... Take this!

 

Hmm! Cheese! Thanks!!

 

Woo, one point for the derailing!

 

Apologies
Curses my comprehension issues .... Damn Accident ~ Dammn Concussion!!!!!

Of course a mans experience counts. His feelings are equally important. Yes, it is true that not everyone feel the same as me and I would hope that they don't as my feelings stemmed from others reactions.

Yes our opinions will differ. So we can agree to be content and accept each others opinions as they are.