Shooter recalls when abortion rights members of the forum first started twirling over the issue of travel to get an abortion, shooter made the point that travel to states for an abortion couldn't be stopped.

Shooter was called a liar, demonized and abused on the forum because abortion advocates wanted the vision of pregnant women being arrested as they crossed state lines.

Members who so thoughtlessly attacked shooter can appologize through PM.
You know, to avoid public humiliation.

 

Me first. Pleeeese.

 

In a no abortion state if a woman go to the police with a rape complaint and they find and charge the man.Then the woman finds out she's pregnant, goes to a state where abortion is allowed and has a abortion because she can not look at the growing evidence of the crime.
What will happen
The man found not guilty because the evidence has been destroyed.
The women found guilty for destruction of the evidence.

 

More than 1 million abortions were recorded in 2023, a 10% increase from 2020, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit research organization that supports abortion access. Isaac Maddow-Zimet, a data scientist at Guttmacher, told NPR, “That’s the highest number in over a decade, (and) the first time there have been over a million abortions provided in the U.S. formal health care system since 2012.”

 

I wonder if she just earns a living for the work as Anti abortion activist. If a better job came along like a pro gun lobbyists she would take it and defend the right to bear arms and kill children if you want because you are mental ill.

 

Texas doctor who said nine-year-olds can safely give birth appointed to maternal mortality committee
Mary Tuma
Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:57 AM MDT·5 min read
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One of the US’s leading anti-abortion activists has been appointed to a Texas health committee tasked with reviewing maternal deaths.

The move worries reproductive justice advocates who say the state’s abortion ban – among the strictest in the US – has placed pregnant women’s lives in jeopardy. The appointment could undermine the committee’s ability to accurately examine the impact of the law on deaths during and in the immediate aftermath of pregnancy, they say.

“This appointment speaks volumes about how seriously certain state leaders are taking the issue of maternal mortality,” said Kamyon Conner, executive director of the Texas Equal Access Fund, an abortion assistance group that advocates for reproductive health equity. “It is another sign that the state is more interested in furthering their anti-abortion agenda than protecting the lives of pregnant Texans.”


Dr Ingrid Skop, a San Antonio-based OB-GYN, has long been vocal about her views on abortion.

Skop serves as vice-president and director of medical affairs for the national anti-abortion research group Charlotte Lozier Institute and is a member of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. She is also a plaintiff in a US supreme court lawsuit seeking to revoke the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the key abortion drug mifepristone, which she argues is “dangerous” despite years of evidence showing the drug is safe. She has authored a number of research papers that were ultimately retracted for misleading errors.

Skop – who has called the supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade “a victory in the battle but not the end of the war” – has argued in favor of forcing rape and incest victims as young as nine or 10 to carry pregnancies to term. “If she is developed enough to be menstruating and become pregnant and reach sexual maturity, she can safely give birth to a baby,” Skop told the House oversight committee in 2021. Pregnancy at such a young age is shown to carry significant health risks, including pre-eclampsia and infections.

In Texas, Skop has repeatedly testified at the legislature and in court in support of state abortion bans, most recently in a hearing opposing abortion care for Kate Cox, a Dallas woman who petitioned a judge for emergency access after receiving a lethal fetal diagnosis.

Texas has seen a number of instances of pregnant women being denied emergency abortions, despite, in some cases, life-threatening pregnancy complications. Studies have shown that some patients are being forced to wait at “death’s door” before doctors, who face criminal penalties under the state’s ban, intervene. But Skop has argued that the problem rests with the judgment of individual physicians, not the law itself.

Contrary to the arguments of many experts, Skop believes that abortion bans not only will not lead to an increase in maternal deaths, but may actually help reduce those rates. She calls the link between abortion restrictions and risks to maternal mortality “fallacious”.

Maternal mortality rates in Texas – among the worst in the US – more than doubled between 1999 and 2019. Skop told the Houston Chronicle the state’s high rate of maternal death “deserves rigorous discourse”.

“There are complex reasons for these statistics, including chronic illnesses, poverty and difficulty obtaining prenatal care, and I have long been motivated to identify ways women’s care can be improved,” said Skop. “For over 30 years, I have advocated for both of my patients, a pregnant woman and her unborn child, just like the overwhelming majority of OB-GYNs who don’t perform elective abortions.”

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists questioned Skop’s appointment, saying it was “crucial” that maternal review committee members be informed by “data, not ideology”. Her bias is relevant because abortion, they note, is inherently tied to maternal health.

“We believe that all members of the MMRC should be unbiased, free of conflicts of interest, and focused on the appropriate standards of care when evaluating maternal mortality and morbidity in Texas, which were already at unacceptably high levels even before Texas passed its abortion bans and restrictions,” said ACOG in a statement.

“Bias against abortion has already led to compromised analysis and, ultimately, dangerously flawed data,” said ACOG, citing three research papers critical of abortion that Skop co-authored. The studies were ultimately retracted by the academic publisher for “unjustified or incorrect factual assumptions”, as well as errors and misleading presentations of the data that showed a “lack of scientific rigor and invalidate the authors’ conclusions in whole or in part”.

Skop did not respond to a request from the Guardian for comment.

The 23-member Texas maternal mortality and review committee, created in 2013 amid a maternal healthcare crisis, gathers data on pregnancy-related deaths.

The committee’s latest report showed that 90% of maternal deaths in the state were probably preventable. It is now reviewing pregnancy-related deaths from 2020 and plans to examine the impact of state abortion laws on maternal health in the coming years.

Nakeenya Wilson, who nearly lost her life giving birth in Texas, sat on the committee as an outspoken community advocate, pushing for the release of data when the state health commissioner delayed publication of the report in 2022. As a voice for people of color, Wilson championed the stories of black women, who are disproportionately affected by maternal mortality rates both nationally and in Texas.

After legislation in 2023 eliminated her “community advocate” role, Wilson applied to a different role on the committee, but did not get the job.

While Skop’s role is meant for a rural community member, she has spent her career working in San Antonio, a major Texas city. Skop, who is one of seven new appointees, will begin her six-year term on 1 June.

“As a black mother who went through a traumatic pregnancy first-hand, I think I provided that necessary lived experience and could represent my community well,” Wilson said. “We need to ask, what community is [Skop] representing?”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-appoints-vocal-anti-abortion-155745306.html

 

The last thing treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans can afford is to allow people in their state to vote on keeping abortion legal.




'We won’t be intimidated': Activists balk after right-wingers publish AR canvasser list

Tess Vrbin, Arkansas Advocate
June 9, 2024 8:05AM ET




Photo by Clem Onojeghuo on Unsplash




Supporters of a proposed Arkansas constitutional amendment that would allow a limited right to abortion denounced a conservative advocacy group’s publication of a list of paid canvassers, calling the move an intimidation tactic.

The right-wing Family Council posted Thursday on its website a list of 79 people that the Arkansans for Limited Government ballot question committee is paying to collect signatures from across the state. The committee needs 90,704 signatures from registered voters by July 5 for the proposed amendment to appear on the November ballot.

The Family Council obtained the list of paid canvassers and their home cities via an Arkansas Freedom of Information Act request, according to the post. Ballot question committees do not have to submit lists of unpaid or volunteer canvassers to the state.

AFLG released a statement Friday in response to the post.

“The canvassers working tirelessly to collect petitions in support of the Arkansas Abortion Amendment are proud of the work they are doing to promote reproductive liberty in the state and to engage in direct democracy — they aren’t hiding,” the group stated. “But when the Family Council releases lists of their names and whereabouts to their network of anti-choice protestors who vehemently, and sometimes violently, disagree with our work, it puts our team at great risk for harassment, stalking, and other dangers. The Family Council’s tactics are ugly, transparently menacing, and unworthy of Arkansas. We won’t be intimidated.”

Other states’ ballot successes provide model for Arkansas abortion initiative


The Family Council’s post is the second instance of alleged intimidation of abortion amendment supporters in less than two weeks.

On May 30, canvasser Veronica McClane filmed an interaction between herself and Little Rock police, in which Officer Christopher Tollette told her that both Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders and the Arkansas Martin Luther King Jr. Commission did not want her and others canvassing at the intersection of 9th and State streets.

Tollette told McClane that canvassers could be arrested for obstructing traffic. The canvassers told reporters they were not blocking traffic but instead sought the attention of drivers from a public sidewalk. The Martin Luther King Jr. Commission, located at the 9th and Broadway intersection, attracted a slow-moving line of cars with a free food giveaway on May 30.

Mark Edwards, the Little Rock Police Department’s spokesman, told reporters that Sanders had nothing to do with the officers’ presence and that Tollette misspoke when he mentioned her.

Edwards also said the police arrived because a Martin Luther King Jr. Commission member claimed to have overheard a canvasser trying to coerce someone into signing the petition.

The proposed amendment
The Arkansas Abortion Amendment would not allow government entities to “prohibit, penalize, delay or restrict abortion services within 18 weeks of fertilization.” The proposal would also permit abortion services in cases of rape, incest, a fatal fetal anomaly or to “protect the pregnant female’s life or physical health,” and it would nullify any of the state’s existing “provisions of the Constitution, statutes and common law” that conflict with it.

The Family Council claims this measure would allow “thousands of elective abortions in Arkansas every year” and “permit abortion through all nine months of pregnancy in many cases” because of its health provisions despite the 18-week limit.

The proposed amendment would alter Amendment 68 to the state Constitution, which currently states that Arkansas policy “is to protect the life of every unborn child from conception until birth, to the extent permitted by the Federal Constitution,” by adding “and the Constitution of the State of Arkansas” at the end.

Arkansas Legislature saw wide range of maternal and reproductive health legislation in 2023


Amendment 68 states, “No public funds will be used to pay for any abortion, except to save the mother’s life.” The proposed amendment would not alter this statement, contrary to the Family Council’s claim in Thursday’s post.

Abortion has been illegal in Arkansas, with a narrow exception to save the pregnant person’s life, since June 2022 when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that made abortion a federally recognized right.

Democratic state lawmakers introduced bills during the 2023 legislative session that would have created exceptions to the abortion ban for fatal fetal anomalies, child victims of incest and threats to the health of the pregnant person. Republican lawmakers voted down all three proposals in committee.

The anti-abortion Arkansas Right to Life has been leading a “Decline to Sign” campaign encouraging voters not to sign petitions for the amendment. McClane said last week that opponents of the proposed amendment have attended AFLG’s signing events in protest, which she said amounts to harassment.

Arkansas Advocate is part of States Newsroom, a nonprofit news network supported by grants and a coalition of donors as a 501c(3) public charity. Arkansas Advocate maintains editorial independence.


https://www.rawstory.com/family-council/

 

More proof treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans don't believe in the Constitution let alone Constitutional rights.







Texas towns try to close roads to abortion-seekers

Agence France-Presse
June 9, 2024 9:53AM ET









Dismissed as grandstanding and extremist by critics, such laws are legally dubious and almost impossible to enforce -- yet that hasn't stopped their proliferation across conservative locales in the United States.

The highways passing through Amarillo connect Republican-led Texas with New Mexico, Colorado and Kansas, where abortion is still legal.

"We're experiencing all these horrors, like abortion trafficking," Mark Lee Dickson, the founder of the group Sanctuary Cities for the Unborn, told AFP.

The term "sanctuary city" typically refers to liberal towns that offer certain protections for undocumented immigrants -- but is increasingly being used by conservatives seeking to restrict abortion rights at the local level.

Some cities have voted to outlaw abortion within city limits, even if the state they're located in already prohibits the procedure.

Such is the fractured landscape in the United States since a 2022 Supreme Court decision overturned the federal right to an abortion, leaving individual states to draw up their own regulations.

Conservative Texas, the country's second-most populous state, has one of the strictest bans, with no exceptions for rape or incest.

Medical exceptions taking into account the mother's health have been challenged in court as being too vague after doctors -- afraid of going to prison -- refused to perform the procedure even when their patients faced life-threatening conditions.

Still, Dickson said, there are "loopholes" that need to be closed.

"There's an unborn child that is being taken against her will across state lines to be murdered. Abortion is murder," the 38-year-old told AFP.

'Going to get us sued'
About a dozen other jurisdictions in Texas have passed so-called abortion travel bans -- the work of "religious extremists," says Harper Metcalf, of the Amarillo Reproductive Freedom Alliance.

The proposal in Amarillo would allow private citizens to sue anyone transporting a pregnant woman seeking an abortion, rather than having local authorities enforce the ban.

It's a controversial new legal approach used in other abortion-related legislation that seeks to sidestep potential judicial hurdles.

Yet it's unclear how Amarillo's law would actually work, given that it would impede on Americans' rights to free movement.

"These ordinances were never made to be enforceable. They are meant to sow confusion and to create fear and uncertainty, and keep people from talking to their neighbors and their friends when they need help," Metcalf told AFP.

Last month the city council weighed the measure but decided to postpone any action, promising to take another look at it in June -- though it could get punted again to November.

"Here is a community that wants to be a pro-life community -- and I know not everybody feels that way, but the majority does -- and your (city) council is a pro-life council," said Mayor Cole Stanley.

But, he said, warning of government overreach, "it's going to get us sued."

- Too extreme? -

Ahead of the November presidential election, where abortion continues to be a major campaign issue, similar travel ban measures have proved divisive on the local level.

A similar travel ban was approved in nearby Lubbock County last year, while in May the town of Clarendon rejected the proposal.

"I've been around pro-lifers," Amarillo resident Courtney Brown told AFP, referring to those opposed to abortion.

"I know that those are their beliefs. But now they're becoming an issue, where their beliefs are becoming my problem."

Robin Ross, 57, meanwhile can't "understand how a life can be taken so easily when that is a life you created."

Yet, as is the case with Mayor Stanley, not everyone in the anti-abortion camp supports the measure.

"Nobody likes to see people have abortions," says James, a retiree wearing a white Trump hat.

"But when you're actually putting in an ordinance that is not enforceable and it makes people turn against each other... that's a big no."


https://www.rawstory.com/texas-towns-try-to-close-roads-to-abortion-seekers/

 

We have to again point out that a jurisdiction cannot make illegal what another jurisdiction has made legal.
Gambling and prostitution come to mind.
In Nevada, gambling is legal.
In some counties in Nevada prostitution is legal.
Another state or county or city cannot claim that transporting someone to Nevada so they can gamble, or transporting someone to a legal brothel, is ILLEGAL.
Supreme court already said so.

So, just grandstanding on the part of some Texas jurisdictions.

Getting liberal american haters to flutter over it is just a bonus.

 

Trump to address group calling abortion ‘child sacrifice’

David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movement
June 10, 2024 11:23AM ET




US President Donald Trump (AFP)




Donald Trump is slated to deliver an address Monday to a far-right Christian organization that says abortion must be "eradicated entirely," calls it "child sacrifice" and "the greatest atrocity facing our generation today."

"Trump is listed among 15 speakers at the free luncheon sponsored by the Danbury Institute. The luncheon will be held at the Indiana Roof Ballroom, which can seat up to 1,500 people. It is not clear who is footing the bill for the free luncheon," Baptist News Global reports. "Now a convicted felon facing dozens of other criminal charges in other courts, Trump remains popular with Southern Baptists, who typically fall in the category of white evangelicals who are known to be Trump’s core supporters."

The Danbury Institute believes all abortion should be illegal including in cases of rape and incest, The Washington Post reports. The paper adds, "A Trump spokeswoman said Trump’s decision reflects his commitment to speak to groups with 'diverse opinions.'"

Trump has offered several different positions on abortion including stating, "there has to be some form of punishment" for any woman who has an abortion, saying "we have to ban it," and repeatedly bragging he personally ended Roe v. Wade by appointing three far-right justices to the Supreme Court.

READ MORE: House Republican Says Goal of Feminism, BLM, and Government Is Removing Men From the Family

He has claimed to be the most “pro-life president ever,” U.S. News reported.

"Trump said 'it’s a beautiful thing to watch' states enact different abortion restrictions during a Fox News interview on Wednesday, during which he also repeated several lies about abortion policy," HuffPost reputed last week.

In June of 2022, when the Supreme Court stripped away the constitutional right to abortion, Trump in a statement said: "Today’s decision, which is the biggest WIN for LIFE in a generation, along with other decisions that have been announced recently, were only made possible because I delivered everything as promised, including nominating and getting three highly respected and strong Constitutionalists confirmed to the United States Supreme Court.”

One year later, Trump declared: "We have to be strong and powerful. That’s why when I’m re-elected, I will continue to fight against the demented late-term abortionists in the Democrat Party who believe in unlimited abortion on demand and even executing babies after birth,” which is false.

Several months ago Trump attempted to sidestep the issue of abortion by claiming the Supreme Court sent the issue to the states and it was no longer a federal issue, despite leaders in his Republican Party working to enact a nationwide ban. 76% of Americans support the right to abortion, according to a YouGov poll earlier this year.

"Listed partners of the Danbury Institute include the Family Research Council, Liberty University, Students for Life, Standing for Freedom Center and Promise Keepers, among others," Baptist News adds. The Family Research Council is a Southern Poverty Law Center-designated anti-LGBTQ hate group.

READ MORE: Katie Britt Was So Outraged Over Democrats’ Contraception Bill She Didn’t Even Vote



https://www.rawstory.com/trump-to-address-group-calling-abortion-child-sacrifice/

 

‘That’s Not Abortion!’ White House Spox Smacks Down Trump Claims On Abortion ‘After Birth’ At Briefing
Tommy ChristopherJun 24th, 2024, 1:26 pm



Director of the White House Gender Policy Council Jennifer Klein smacked down false claims from ex-President Donald Trump about President Joe Biden’s positions on abortion rights.

Trump and other Republicans have spent years telling the lie that Democrats favor the legalized killings of infants after they’re born, loosely based on then-Gov. Ralph Northam’s (D-VA) comments about medical decisions in catastrophic cases. They’ve also claimed Democrats support abortion right up until the “moment of birth.”

At a Zoom briefing on the anniversary of the Dobbs decision — and days before the earliest general election presidential debate ever — Mediaite asked Klein how President Biden will respond to those attacks:




TOMMY CHRISTOPHER – MEDIAITE: Yeah, I have a question. It’s sort of a dual question. There have been a pair of false attacks on abortion that I’d like you to respond to.

The one, first one is the one that Donald Trump keeps saying that Democrats believe in, aborting the child after birth — murdering children after they’re born. Based on something Ralph Northam said a few years ago.

And then there’s another one where they say Democrats support abortion up to, the ninth month because there’s no specific number of weeks in the viability framework.

So I’m wondering how the president can respond to simply and clearly to both of those attacks.

JENNIFER KLEIN: Thank you. First and foremost, the president and the vice president do not support abortion up until the time of birth.

Nor do they support abortion after birth. In fact, that’s not abortion!

Second of all, you know, both the president, the vice president, this entire administration has been quite clear and unequivocal that we support restoring the protections of Roe in federal law, and we’re not proposing something new.

Roe protected women’s health and safety for nearly 50 years. And again, the president has been quite clear that a federal law is the only way to ensure reproductive rights for every woman, woman in every state.

And I think the rhetoric that you pointed to is really a blatant effort to distract from the extremist agenda and the ultimate goal of enacting a national abortion ban.

And again, the president and vice president have been clear and unequivocal that what they support is restoring the protections of Roe in federal law.


https://www.mediaite.com/news/thats...p-claims-on-abortion-after-birth-at-briefing/

 

If stumbler knew anything about the constitution, he would know that this is a state matter.

 

Two years post-Roe, abortion center stage at Biden-Trump debate

Agence France-Presse
June 25, 2024 7:28AM ET




Former President Donald Trump (l) and President Joe Biden (r). (AFP)




Two years after the US Supreme Court stripped constitutional protections for abortion, the explosive issue will feature prominently in Thursday's debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump -- with the Republican under pressure not to alienate voters.

On June 24, 2022, the high court -- with a super-conservative majority built under Trump's presidency -- overturned the historic ruling in Roe v. Wade that had protected abortion rights, placing the issue in the hands of the states.

That same day, a handful of US states banned abortions, forcing clinics to close in haste or move to more welcoming places.

The nation, already politically polarized, is now split between the states that have banned or significantly restricted access to the procedure -- and the states that have adopted new protections for a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

The Supreme Court's decision sent political shock waves across the country, and had repercussions -- since the ruling, conservatives have lost nearly every referendum or vote revolving around abortion access.

And some of those losses came in states that have recently shifted solidly to the right, such as Ohio, Alabama and Kansas.

- Kamala Harris takes the baton -

Since Roe was overturned, "the abortion rights movement discovered that Americans care more about abortion rights than may have been anticipated," said Mary Ziegler, a professor at the University of California, Davis law school.

"And so they are trying to capitalize on that in ballot initiative fights that have gone mostly the way of the abortion rights movement," she told AFP.

Democrats are making the most of the moment, hoping to win some crucial support from women and young voters.

Biden, a practicing Catholic who was long vexed by the issue, has become a champion of abortion rights and made it a defining part of his reelection bid, winning the backing of several family planning organizations.

"Donald Trump is the sole person responsible for this nightmare," Biden said in a statement Monday referring to the overturning of Roe, and added that he and Vide President Kamala Harris "are fighting like hell to get your freedom back."

Biden's campaign also released an ad featuring a testimonial from a woman from the southern US state of Louisiana who says she was turned away from two emergency rooms while experiencing a miscarriage at 11 weeks of pregnancy, calling it a "direct result" of Trump overturning Roe.

Harris, the first woman vice president, has crisscrossed the country for months to mobilize her party faithful.

The 59-year-old in March became the first vice president to visit a clinic performing abortions, in Minnesota.

On Monday, she will hold an event in Arizona -- a state seen as a crucial battleground in the November presidential election, and one where the supreme court said a Civil War-era rule banning abortion was valid.

Democratic Governor Katie Hobbs later signed a repeal of the 1864 law.

Across the country, Democrats have also encouraged the organization of mini-referendums on abortion in key states, so that they will coincide with the presidential vote -- and hopefully motivate unenthused voters to cast ballots.

- Trump deliberately vague -

Democrats are right to be confident in their reasoning, if an avalanche of opinion polls are correct.

According to a Fox News poll published Wednesday, 47 percent of voters consider abortion to be "extremely important" in how they decide between Biden and Trump.

The presumptive Republican candidate, who often mentions that he nominated three Supreme Court justices who helped to overturn Roe v. Wade, has lately been decidedly vague on the issue of abortion.

"You must follow your heart on this issue but remember, you must also win elections," Trump said in a video message in early April.

He has not campaigned on any promise to make abortion illegal with federal legislation, as the religious right has lobbied him to do.

"The best you can do if your position is unpopular is to not clarify your position," Ziegler says.

Biden, whose approval rating is less than stellar, will almost certainly attack Trump on the issue when the two take the stage Thursday for their first debate in 2024.



https://www.rawstory.com/two-years-post-roe-abortion-center-stage-at-biden-trump-debate/

 

Abortion is all biden has because the rest of his policies has destroyed America with the rest of his bs policies

 

We know that America puts border security, inflation/economy and the debt are the big three topics.

Abortion is not in the top 5.

But the geniuses putting together the topics for the debate but abortion "center stage?"

Mark this spot.