At the risk of awaking the "suppose" dead here, am going to create a new metaphor.

"Please don't go baller on us stumbler"

 

fuck.... shouldn't have read the article...... i have a baby boy......that guy is insane....fucking insane.....

 

Dude, the only thing that really hurts me badly, is when a child is hurt in anyway, and if it happens around me, or to someone I know, then shame on the person doing it, I will kill someone to protect an innocent child, and anyone that does such a thing to any child should burn in hell.

 

man, a child is not like us..... defenceless. they only know crying when they are hurt. fuck that guy.... why didn't he picked someone his own size......

 

I don't think I am. These are things I've thought about. Things I've studied and researched, and things that are dear to my heart on multiple levels. I also know its uncomfortable but like I said much earlier there are things involved here that we really out to think about. Justice is more then just being revenged.

Also I think its important for people to examine their emotions such as I get this upselt because I really care about children to find out if that is really true, or just in an instance like this.

You're right of course. Only the officer is charged with responsibility to act and then must do so within very limited and well defined perimeters.

Then I would have to wonder if the by standers who had been there for several minutes didn't know it was a baby being stomped how did the officer. You mean all of the by standers turned their lights off and then approached. I sure wouldn't have.

That's exactly what I was referring to concerning mob mentality. But of course the opposite is true for police officers.

Oh, I see, its not what I said but the way I said it. I think I've heard that before someplace. But since I think its only fair to judge me on my words not the words it seems you are trying to put in my mouth I still think the accusation is unfair.

Actually the training which also extends to people like doctors, nurses, EMTs and soldiers is blocking those emotional responses completely, staying calm, focused and rational and then break down afterwards. At least that is the curriculum I've seen from our state police academy and the training I personally received as an EMT. Of course the breaking down afterwards part is my personal observation. I have no way of knowing what other trained professional did afterwards, that's just what I did.

No I'm almost certain I am correct here for about every state in the US that I know of. To be a police officer people must first pass an accredited training class; i.e. Police Academy and there are national standards applied to much of the training.

But if you can provide any sources that say otherwise I would be happy to look at them and stand corrected.

Ok so if we agree that "When an officer arrives at the scene, if he does not consider the emotions of those who are involved, the potential for a disaster increases significantly." why are you contradicting yourself in the statements above.

 

Anybody remember Kitty Genovesi? (spelling/) In the early 60s she was stabbed 27 times by an assailant in Kew Gardens, Queens, NYC. I lived 4 blocks from where it happened at the time. After the first attack he came back over an hour later, found her in a stairwell and finished her, she wasn't dead at that point. The investigating officers identified over 40 (47 i think) witnesses who watched the whole thing from their apt windows and heard her screams for help. The initial attack happened directly under a street lamp. Nobody even called the cops till after she was dead. The guy who lived at the top of the stairwell didn't call until she stopped screaming. The assault happened over an almost 2 hour period.
People can be really strange! Go figure!

 

Sorry folks for the double post but for some reason what I just posted didn't come out right and like I said this topic is important to me on several levels as so I want to repost it for clarity.

Ok well lets see if that hold true. Here are some sites I would ask you to look at and see if the deaths of these children have the same emotional effect on you and if you've ever thought about them before you read about this child. You'll have to scroll down some of them but you'll get the picture.

https://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm
http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1401.0
http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

Kidnapping, often of children, is common and the victims are frequently killed regardless of whether or not they have paid a ransom. "In one case the body of 12-year-old Osama was reportedly found by the Iraqi police in a plastic bag after his family paid a ransom of $30,000 [£16,300]. The boy had been sexually assaulted by the kidnappers, before being hanged by his own clothing. The police captured members of this gang who confessed to raping and killing many boys and girls before Osama."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...qis-being-killed-each-day-says-un-408609.html

I'm a little pressed for time but will get back to you but from my reading of the article you posted the are talking about standards for data collection. I will see if I can still find the national standards for police TRAINING when I get time.

And what I agreed with is your statement that "When an officer arrives at the scene, if he does not consider the emotions of those who are involved, the potential for a disaster increases significantly."

This is true because the officer must assess the emotional state of everyone involved while still blocking our his/her own emotions to remain, calm, focused and completely unemotional otherwise you bet the potential for disaster increases significantly.

By my personal recollection things like this happen fairly frequently the child killed by this man being the latest example I'm aware of but it seems to me I remember several between Kitty and this kid.

 

no, man.... i'm not up to it.......i rest my case......anyway, the guy deserve to be screwed.

 

This is by far the most stupid, ignorant and illogical thing I have ever seen you post. You need to loosen the strap on your hard hat a few notches and get out of the sun for a while.

I think you have gotten to the point that you love to see yourself type so much that you will arguing about anything.

There are two things in this world that really piss me off, one is abuse of a child and the other is abuse of animals. Neither can defend themselves from a full grown human. I did not use the word adult because in my opinion anyone that abuses a child or an animal is not an adult.

 

Im not a badass but it sounds like a bunch of no balls motherfuckers to me, I wouldnt have stood there and done nothing, he or I would have died that day...

 

I tell you what there Druidoak I can tell from here you're just sitting there running your mouth and believing you own bullshit because you didn't even bother to check out the links I put up or you be signing a different tune.

And if there's anything that pisses me off its abuse of any kind, then prejudice and discrimination and then loud mouthed bullshitters aren't too much further down the list.

 

As I mentioned earlier on this thread I'd like to think I'd have done the same thing with the guy stomping the toddler and believe that if someone had the rest of the by standers would have jumped in too. But from personal experience and human observation I have to admit that I really don't know what I would do in any given situation and neither does anyone else. We just think we do.

 

Must be tough living with yourself then.

 

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Let's how long did you last on your pledge that you and I would be civil to each other. Was it two days, tenguy.

 

Did you think that was a personal slam??????



It was an observation, there are few, if any, who have matched your word count or your attacks on those who oppose your beliefs. For you to belittle someone else with similar accusations is rather ironic.

 

Yes I know it was a personal slam and likewise knew that you would be incapable of keeping your word.

What does my word count have to do with anything?

As I have said before I tend to respond in kind especially to posts directed at me, and I think Druidoak's post met that criteria.

So what did that have to do with you?