you could have just pulled out a bar of soap. he woulda ran away screaming

 

You're amking an assumption that I've looked into the detail of your nation's internal politicals as they were going onin the decade before I was born. How are you fixed for your personal knowledge of the Brixton riots, for comparison? Thought not. Thanks for the pointers, though.

 

Aw, c'mon, Trumpy, why would anything that happened in the UK matter to anyone?

 

It's a little belated–I was out passing my Series 6 exam (booyah!)–but there was a thread on here about our dear Rev. Wright and what it meant overall and the general consensus was that he was a racist and most of us 'liberals' have already said that Sharpton and Jackson are racists, also. As to why their brand of racism is more tolerated, it's a double-standard. But as Kimi said, such protestations are merely deflections, they're irrelevant. Imus is a racist and it's not just these last two instances. He's got a long history of crap like this.

-S-

 

I particularly enjoy the "it was taken out of context" defense.

About the only context that would constitute an adequate defense and alter my conclusions about Imus is if he actually said something like:

"It would be really, really stupid of me to say.....*add quote*".

 

Your acting like,if anyone makes any other argument besides "racism..bad..wahhh" ..its racist. No one is talking about lynching,or hate crimes.. we are talking about one fucking dude on the radio saying something racist. THATS what people need to toughen up again,free speech,and the fact worse remarks are looked over. No ones saying hate crimes are right. No one is defending racism.

oh and.. i dont know if you know.. but black people arent the only victims of racism. Plus,if the n-word is so "painful" why,do i get to hear it everyvother word when talking to a black person,or listening to rap?

 

Believe me, I know that black people are not the only victims of racism.

 

i also find it disgusting,the racial double standard when it comes to racist remarks.

so we can flip out on a white dude for saying something negative about a black person. but when the roles are reversed its funny?,its ok?

yea..like thats helping solve racism.

 

As I said, it's a double-standard. But that still doesn't make it okay.

-S-

 

lol..well i agree,its not ok..

 

Is that a serious statement? If so, that's stupid as shit.

 

Nice run Bishop....

Immus's context could have been anything from "there ya go" implying well its the way blacks behave, or "there ya go" implying due to the color of the man the police are acting like racist, or "there ya go" whatever. We'll never know unless he himself puts forth the meaning of "there ya go". Personally I think he was headed down dumbass road and caught himself in time to leave it vauge. There is no racist remark made here that can be definitively called out. It's just to ambiguous to say, although I'm sure we all think we know.

As for the "Hey all you black folks" remark. How is it that Black people have a corner on racial intolerance. Do you seriously think that your the only people that have ever suffered under a intolerant and oppressive people. Or is that you don't think that anyone but white people would ever do such a thing. Well you better take a dip into the history of the world. There you'll see maltreatment of all races by all colors. Black slavery may have been the latest issuance of human bondage, but its not the only one. Also theres never any outcry about the millions of blacks taken to the east either, why is that?

 

You are quite right that we can't see in Imus' mind to know exactly what his point was. However, the fact that he raised the race issue as part of that discussion is indicative that he sees it as a significant factor. It cold be he is implying the police are racist and that's why the guy gets arrested so often, but given his past record it's unlikely, isn't it?

And why do you think that anyone is only bothered by racism against black (read:African american) people? I'm against any prejudice and bigotry towards any ethnic group, but I do see a difference in the use of racist terminology when it is from a majority to a minority as against the reverse. If you are in the power position and you use race as a determining factor then the impact is a whole lot worse. It doesn't make it right when it's the other way round, but lets deal with the real issue before we get onto the sidebars, eh?

And on slavery, it's bad. It's bad whoever does it, whether it was American white cotton plantation owners, British Sugar Planation owners, black african tribal chiefs, arab merchants, chinese emperors, or Barbary pirates. Whoever treats another human as property is wrong and their action should not be tolerated. I think you'll find that the reason that Black Slavery in the US is the subject that gets most mention in the US is because it's part of your national history, the story of what made America great, if you will. It has much clearer relevence to the issues that your country needs to address around the race issue than, say, slave eunachs in the chinese Emperor's palace in the middle ages.

 

So, now we should give Imus a free pass because we can't prove that we're equally outraged by every case of racial discrimination or injustice anywhere on the globe and at any time in history? How about this: you name me a case and I'll tell you if I'm outraged by it. I'll tell you up front that I'm outraged by every instance of human slavery, throughout history, including the many mentions of it in the Bible.

 

Gotta love how that usless sack of human Al Sharpton comes out and calls for action anytime someone of another race slips up.

Where was he last week when Jamele Hill WROTE an article about how rooting "for the Celtics is like saying Hitler was a victim. It's like hoping Gorbachev would get to the blinking red button before Reagan"

When talking off the cuff things can just spill out. She had time to read and reread what she wrote and others did too.
While she was one of the big supporters of getting Imus fired over his comments.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. She will probably come back from suspension real easy.

I think all these people should be able to say what they want.
But things just dont work that way. Too many people just looking for things that offend them.

This new statement from him im not going to stand behind. His previous I stood on his side because i believe it was an attempt at comedy that a lot of people didnt like.
When you come back to the air with this many eyes and ears checking you need to watch yourself. While he was only stereotyping I didnt really see the comedy in it.

The only way i can see someone being able to say whatever they want and not lose their job is being a stand up comic. Nobody can fire you for being who you are.
Go check out some of the wild shit Don Rickles says on his recent HBO special.

 

nobody on this forum has given me any reason to think anything other than he is racist. Fine, he can be that. Its his loss. But what he cant do is collect a paycheck spreading hate. We are ALL AWARE OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD! So does that issue really need to be discussed? NO! You guys can defend him all you want but it remains that what i heard(live) was clearly a racist comment. I was not given a precursor of" hey look at what this racist guy said". No it was out of the blue, and it was clear as day what the connotations were. So, whos defending this guy? I will defend his right to say whatever he likes til i die. As i will defend rev. White for his remarks. They are what they are in the end......Racist. can there really be an argument to the contrary?

 

plus, hes obviously a dumbass! lol

 

Point taken. Point given. There will never be any solution to this untill we all stop. We have the ability for our civilization to move past the race issue. Continuing to sieze any insignificant statement and brandish it about leaves nothing but an open wound. If Imus's remarked weren't even dignified with a response they'd be all the more ridiculous. It's something both sides need to work towards. Maybe we'll not see it in our lifetime, but it can happen if we all take the first steps.

 

It's easy to say it's insignificant when it's not aimed at you. I think civilisation can move beyond the race issue when bigots stop being racist, not when we stop being offended by it.

 

I intended to make a remark about how terribly irrelevant Imus has become until I realized that this place has remarked on him 166 times in less than 12 hours . . . whooooops - 167